#like sylvie seems to hate loki a bit

[jordieeeee]

If they give us sylki on thursday than what show were we watching????

[where-theres-smoak-2]

I was watching 1x3 again because I had a crappy day and that's my happy loki episode, for obvious reasons. But anyway I got to the part where sylki are talking about love on the train and I noticed something.

When the conversation first starts with them talking about the old woman and how love is hate and the pretend postman its got this very playful, teasing atmosphere to it. It's not hostile like their earlier disagreements but they are still taking these playful jabs at each other, Loki mocking Sylvie's 'Love is hate' line, her telling him to piss off and in turn mocking him for thinking she could maintain a relationship whilst on the run her whole life. They are smiling so you can see that its all said in good fun but its still got that banter element to it.

Then the conversation shifts into a more curious kind of tone, its the are you single, what's your past relationship history look like kind of chat, and that shifts into a deeper conversation about never experiencing anything real.

But what really caught my eye, and I could just be looking too much into it, but when Sylvie says the line 'love is mischief then' her body language and tone seem really flirty to me. She tilts her head and she's got this flirtatious smile. We know that in the past she would get through these apocalypses by finding comfort through intimacy with others and I do wonder if that was what Sylvie was doing here, feeling out the waters and whether she said that 'love is mischief' line hoping to shift it into a more intimate situation, they are both the embodiment of mischief after all.

Loki also kind of freezes when she says it and, to me, he has this 'wait is she making a move on me' look. Whilst he tries to think of an answer to what love is exactly, he ends up sharing this really long and intense stare with Sylvie, where she seems to be waiting to see if he's going to follow on from her 'first move' lets call it. There's also a moment when she is waiting for him to respond where, right after Loki presses his lips together, she licks her own lips. Meanwhile Loki seems to struggle with himself and his feelings, before ultimately deciding against it and kind of brushing it off and averting the conversation with his comment about needing another drink to think about it.

After his brush off the tone of the conversation changes again and whilst is not as hostile as they were to each other at the start of the episode, that playfulness and flirtatiousness is gone and they are a bit colder to each other, like maybe Sylvie is a bit disappointed and like they've both caught themselves and thought 'wait no, not supposed to have feelings, not supposed to like them, get a grip.'

I don't know, like I said before, could be totally wrong. But to me it seemed like maybe there was alot more subtext to that conversation than I first noticed, and like Sylvie was actually trying to make a move on Loki, it definitely seemed more flirty than I remembered. But also, full disclosure, its 3.30am where I am and this could be a result of sleep deprivation and watching that scene one too many times lol. Either way it's still one of my favourite sylki scenes.

[lokiinmediasideblog]

I think it's so funny when people talk about Loki/Sylvie as though they're the main characters in a love story who are together the whole time when in the show they. Kissed like once, hugged a bit and then immediately fought and had zero romantic interactions since (well i'd even say the interactions were actually very much pointing against much romantic feels, as in Sylvie clearly doesn't wanna see him while his focus on finding her isn't that much of "i need her back" but is closer to "we need her help here since she was in the middle of it all really"). As in, it really shows how much energy people put into finding reasons to hate her instead of just admitting they don't like her and moving on

Yep. It seems to be in the "it's complicated" relationship status for both of them. And the "I need her back" definitely seemed like wanting her help because she was the last person in the citadel. People act like they are all over each other 24/7.

Like I really wouldn't be defending Sylki as much as I have if people hadn't been awful to SdM, KH, and Sylki shippers, and if I didn't constantly hear annoying and obviously misogynistic remarks about Sylvie. And the people that blame her character for all writing decisions they didn't like are fucking annoying.

[nostalgia-tblr]

not to Discourse, but about Sylvie snapping at Mobius:

She was right. She could have said it nicer (well, someone else could have - i adore Sylvie but i wouldn't really say she's consistently 'nice' and there are very obvious reasons for that in her backstory) but it's true, Mobius has been bizarrely chill about so many things this season, to the point where it does seem odd, actually. I think it's easily missed (maybe?) partly because fandom has decided long ago that Mobius is some sort of therapist/social worker who is always calm and so emotionally insightful and his role in fanfic is to be supportive at the more obviously fucked-up characters. But like. He's also fucked up. He's already said that he's avoiding finding out about his old life in case it was good, so it's not like "Mobius won't let himself think about the sad things" is a new idea, is it?

I don't think Sylvie gets why he's like this (or she wouldn't have been so angry, for a start) but those two have spent very little time together (I think we the audience sometimes forget how little) and I know shipwars are inevitable and eternal but the show really does kind of break down into Loki-with-Mobius and Loki-with-Sylvie almost like two parallel worlds that interact less than might be expected. So why does Loki not "stand up for Mobius" there? Well there's the fact that it's true and that Loki was (unlike Sylvie) there when Mobius said he's scared of uncovering his old life so is more likely to connect the dots. And the element of "oh no my faves are fighting! i cannot take sides or at least one of them will hate me! i shall just stand here awkwardly and say nothing!"

I assume Loki and Mobius will talk this stuff over at some point, but in this episode there's not time for any of the several conversations that need to happen (and presumably this is a deliberate writing choice to drag things out a bit keep the tension up) and idk about anyone else but I would find it a bit weird if Sylvie had instead been unusually gentle (for her) and softly asked Mobius if he's feeling okay or does he want to have a chat about anything? Perhaps over a nice cup of tea and some chocolate biscuits? Nah, she's tense, of course she's going to snap. Ideally she wouldn't have done that but *gestures vaguely* what about any of this situation they're all in would you describe as "ideal"?

Maybe she'll apologise in one of the remaining episodes. But if she does he'll say that her observation was right, if not delivered in a way he'd have preferred.

tl;dr - Mobius is fucked up too and Sylvie (who has just in as many words says she thinks being soft makes you weak) is not diplomatic at the best of times, let alone while the multiverse is in the process of collapsing/exploding/whatever-the-fuck-it's-doing.

[sserpente]

Let’s talk about Loki | S2 Episode 2! 😍

*takes a deep breath* HEAVY SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 2 OF LOKI!

Is it just me or is it hot in here? Not just me? Oh, good. I mean, honestly… that shadow scene was fan service. And trust me when I say that this will continue to make appearances in my future Imagines. Good gods… that suit and those green glowing eyes? Um, yes, please?! 🥵

Well… and on that note—you don’t mess with Loki. I told you X5 or Braaad (you got to say his name like you’re drunk) was gonna be trouble. Still hate him. He’s the type of douchebag who has no purpose when being bad. Blergh. He deserved Loki’s mischief. Also, can we please talk about how Loki was towering over him? That dark, purry and slow voice?! It would have worked on me… or I would have pounced on him and kissed him senseless… one of the two. Probably both at the same time.

Now I can also, finally, say what I’ve been meaning to say since last week but I couldn’t because of spoilers—I am so FREAKING MAD at Sylvie! Look… I know that in her mind, it was Loki who messed up. She thought he was gonna help her kill He Who Remains and he didn’t. Okay, fair enough. But it baffles me how she seems to think that Loki screwed things up when she was the literal cause of all this chaos and the one who kissed him and then dumped him through a time door. Literally and figuratively.

The fact that she thinks she’s happy… working at a McDonald’s on a branched timeline in the 80s… please. She finally has freedom and she’s doing this out of spite but this isn’t the life she truly wants, we all know that. I think she’s overwhelmed and she doesn’t know what to do with her feelings now that she’s killed He Who Remains. It didn’t give her the type of satisfaction that she wanted and if you think about it, she made it her life mission to bring down the TVA. Now that that’s done, more or less (she did realise after all that all those branches mean the TVA won’t go away properly) she’s a bit clueless and it shows. She’s gonna have to come around of course eventually… I mean, plot and story progression, after all, buuuut still—she’s gonna have to make up big time if she wants me to forgive her. She hurt him. That’s practically unforgivable. And on that note, I know there are Sylki shippers here reading this but every time I see these two together, they give me sibling energy. Soooorry, I can’t help it! 😂

So now the branched timelines are gone—for now, leaving only the Sacred Timeline, more or less—for now. There’s gonna be new branches again, of course. Something came to my mind the second time I watched it today though… didn’t they say in Season 1 that once a timeline reaches the red line, it can no longer be controlled by the TVA? Did I miss something here, was that a lie made up by He Who Remains so they’d take care of branched timelines as soon as possible? Because if it was true then how did they prune those timelines? Almost all of them were way past the red line! Or maybe this will have different types of consequences later on? Who knows!

That key lime pie tastes as good as it looks, by the way. So let’s talk about Loki’s and Mobius’ conversation while they were having a slice. I already read a few comments today and saw that a lot of people were missing the fact that Loki failed to mention that he was mind-controlled by Thanos when he attacked New York. I agree—it could have been thematised more but then again… I still think it was. Hear me out:

We know that the sceptre was influencing Loki—but not in the way he was using it to influence others. The sceptre/mind stone brought out the worst of Loki’s emotions and intensified them—in this case, his anger at his father and his brother (which he mentioned) and which is what Thanos used to manipulate him, promising him the “throne of Midgard” etc. It was a slippery bargain of course, because The Other was watching Loki and making sure he upheld his end of this bargain, or else Thanos would kill him. After all, why did he strike a bargain with that purple grape in the first place? He was hurled through space when he fell from the Bifrost. Remember? “I remember you tossing me into an abyss, I who was and should be king!”

So… yes, Loki was manipulated and mind-controlled by Thanos, we already knew that, of course, and personally, I think it’s still so traumatising for him to think, let alone talk about it that he would rather focus on his anger that caused all of this. If Loki was the honourable hero character (who we don’t need him to be anyways) he probably would have let Thanos kill him no matter what he offered. Maybe he wouldn’t have talked his way out of it with a bargain that meant the cost of many innocent lives. Instead, he let his anger drive him and Thanos used that to his advantage. That’s my ten pence on it!

From now on, I’m as in the dark as you guys. No clue what’s gonna happen in Episode 3 but I reckon we’re gonna meet Renslayer again. Let’s give her a good slap in the face when we do, shall we?

[crazyyfilmyfreak]

Soooo as always here's my opinion on First episode of Loki's Season 2 :)

Here are the things that i really liked and feel like highlight of this episode imo

FIRST THINGS FIRST IT WAS REALLY NICE TO SEE Ke Huy Quan as OB aka Ouroboros... nice addition to the marvel family

secondly WHY IS MY GUY MOBIUS SO OBSESSED WITH HIS SKIN LMFAOO😭😭 HE WAS EVEN READY TO DIE BUT LOOSING HIS SKIN WAS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO HIM

LIKE EVERYONE IN THE ROOM WERE LOOSING THEIR MINDS ABOUT TVA AND FUTURE AND ANALYSING THE SITUATION AND HERE IN THE BACK MY DUDE MOBIUS IS WRITING " SKIN " ON A DUSTED TAB AND WONDERING HE WOULD MAKE IT OUT OR NOT😭😂 made me chuckle

But in the End Mobius not only pulled himself off to do the task even tho he knew he could fucking die and risked it all because of his Long distance low commitment causal Boyfriend LOKI 😭💀

HE LITERALLY RISKED IT ALL FOR LOKI I WANT Y'ALL TO UNDERSTAND THIS HE WAS READY TO DIE FOR LOKI.... DO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND ??? HE LIKES AND LOVES LOKI THAT MUCH

MY DELULU MOBIUS - LOKI SHIP IS STILL GOING STRONG BITCHES😤✊

And in the meanwhile THIS MF LOKI SAW SYLVIE FOR A SECOND AND WAS MESMERIZED IDK WHAT HE SEES IN HER BUT MY GUY IS DOWN BAD FOR HER LIKE LOOK AT HIS PUPPY EYES😭😭

And somehow loki and mobius not only pulled the task but loki infact helped mobius to get into the chamber safely....Mobius literally almost DIED TO SAVE LOKI and what was the first thing loki said " WE NEED TO FIND SYLVIE " 😭😭😭😭😭 LIKE NOT EVEN A THANK YOU TO MOBIUS LMFAOOOO ???

Ngl i am really loving this triangle love story bw them since Season1

And in the end credits i really cried a bit for Sylvie ik you all hate her but listen to me behind the " Bad girl, boss bitch " behaviour she's is just a broken little kid who's never grown up, all she ever needed was love,affection and somebody to trust on and wanted to live a normal life but she never got that and everytime she trusted and loved someone they either broke her heart and left her alone and that's the reason she became who she is its hard for her to trust anyone bcoz she doesn't want to get hurt again coz she feels she had enough and finally when she looks at this people having normal lives and talking their friends and loved ones she finally has a little bit of hope in her eyes and has happy tears and smiles a bit THIS IS WHAT SHE ALWAYS WANTED 😭❤ And i am sure this is the direction marvel markers will go thru for Sylvie's character this season and i am excited for the coming episodes

Also Lastly WHERE IS THIS BITCH MISS MINUTES ??? where is she Fucking around and whose D... is she sucking ? everything is game for this annoying cunt coz The entire Tva is collapsed and she seems to be no found no where😤😤

Anygayssss EPISODE 1 WAS REALLY FUN TO WATCH... I KNOW most of you are done with marvel or cbms stuff and even i felt i was done with this shit and i didn't even post during the secret invasion time 😭💀 but HERE I AM NOW LOKI S2 STARTED OFF GRANDLY Hope they will end it in a much grander way

[justanancientfangirl]

A bit of a rant: on Sylvie

Okay, look, as a preface: I do not hate Sylvie. I feel like I see a lot of hate for the character from a lot of people not Sylkie shippers, and I definitely do not hate her, even if the ship is something I struggle to see.

I actually like Sylvie's character a lot. She has had to struggle and fight and flee for something like a thousand years. I honestly don't begrudge her desire to stay in a quiet universe and just live a life. I want that for her, even.

Is she being a huge dick to Loki every time they interact this season? Yes. She refuses to listen to him (though he isn't being entirely straight with her either, to be fair), and she continually belittles his own choices and refuses to take responsibility for her own. She blames him and the TVA for the destruction of timelines, even though Dox's crew was, at the time, acting as a rogue element, and the issues that the timelines and TVA are currently facing are entirely her fault.

Again, I totally understand why she didn't listen to Loki at the end of season 1. It makes sense that she wouldn't want trust anything that He Who Remains had to say, and it makes sense that she wouldn't trust Loki at all. She barely knows him, and she's been alone her entire life. She doesn't really remember her life before the TVA ruined it. She has no friends, no allies. So yes, it was foolish of her to not stop and think for like ten seconds, but killing He Who Remains had been her ultimate goal for centuries. Of course she was going to do it.

HOWEVER. Because she killed He Who Remains, the multiverse is in danger. And just because I understand her inability to accept responsibility for her actions, does not mean I condone it. The lady is incredibly emotionally stunted. Of course she doesn't know how to take responsibility. She's been blaming other people for her problems her entire life (and most of that was 100% justified). To stop doing so now, when she hasn't had a chance to learn, would be bad writing.

I am all for a good character arc and a redemption story. Loki's himself has been...a little rushed. And they haven't touched on the trauma that was his time Before New York at all since that like, thirty seconds in season 1. Sure, he mentions NY a little flippantly here in season 2, but we all know that was just a way to get Mobius to talk. Point is, they have set Sylvie up for a good character arc, and kind of fast tracked Loki's without actually talking about some of the things I'm most interested in, but...eh, whatever. I can rant about that another time.

What I don't understand though, is Sylkie shippers. Like...number one, are we watching the same show? Season 1 seemed to have some unrequited pining going on, on Loki's side, especially before Loki and Mobius made up, but Sylvie has never shown any interest in Loki beyond that of a tentative ally. And really, there's no reason she should. When would Sylvie have had time, ever in her life, to think of romance beyond, possibly, an errant daydream? And this season, it really seems like she can hardly stand him.

Every time they interact, she lashes out, she tries to hurt him. She has told him, unequivocally, to leave her alone, multiple times. She listened to him say that he feared being alone most of all, and then she left him (I assume she has a tab at that bar, otherwise who the hell paid for those shots, and also, I've never met a bartender who would hear 'two bourbons' and just pour shots immediately, if it isn't a common order for that patron, but that's yet another rant for another day).

Like, she just seems to be going out of her way to be cruel, to drag him down, to blame him for everything, and to paint him as the bad guy. Sure, he wants to have his friends back, and maybe that IS selfish, but he ALSO wants to save the TVA because he believes that will save the multiverse, and that isn't, but she knows that once she pokes any holes in the story he's concocted for himself, he's only going to dwell on the bad side. Which he does. Her goal, I assume, is to get him out of her hair and leave her alone. She doesn't want to be involved with all this TVA stuff anymore. And...yeah, fair enough, except that the multiverse is actively disintegrating. Which is at least...oh, 45% her fault. (I'll grant that most of the fault lies on the heads of the old TVA, He Who Remains and Ravonna. And maybe like 3% Loki's fault. Everyone can take somewhat a share of the blame, but she really was trying to do the most. And she is the only one of our 'heroes' who hasn't taken any responsibility for the problems now facing the multiverse).

Look, I have shipped Loki with almost every single character he has had screen time with, if the story is well written enough for it to make sense. I've even read a Sylkie story that I actually managed to really get behind. (It took place before season 2, the premise being that in their fight at the Citadel, there was an accident and they ended up in Westview during the events of Wandavision, and were paired as a husband/wife duo for the show. It made sense, and there was enough of a build of their relationship that I was like...yeah, sure).

The writers of this show have NOT done their due diligence to make Sylkie make sense. In season 1, I could see that he might have a thing for her. But I never saw that being reciprocated.

Sylvie needs friends, she needs to learn how to trust, she needs stability, and she needs to figure out who she is as a person when she isn't on the run. She does NOT need a romance. A romance at this stage would be incredibly bad for her, really, if we give a shit about a fictional character's mental health.

I like Sylvie as a character. I think her arc has been interesting, but she is definitely still in the middle of it, and it is nowhere near resolved. I can't see a single instance in the show where she showed a romantic interest in Loki. (And...what, she kissed him? That was only to get him distracted enough to kick him out a time door so she could kill He Who Remains).

If this season ends with Sylkie endgame, I will have honestly lost faith in Marvel's ability to write a good story entirely. If they want the two of them to be together, they have to write them together. They have to actually be a team, not just constantly bickering (or in this season, Loki begging for her help and her telling him to stuff it). She only comes to help because her own universe gets shredded, not because she wanted to help Loki or save the other universes. She would not be good for him, at least not right now. That relationship would be hella toxic. Has she ever done anything for him? Just for him, not because he was useful to her in some way?

Look, TL;DR, I like Sylvie as a character and I want to see her grow and thrive, but Sylkie makes no sense and if they go that route this season it is bad writing. MCU has always been bad at romance and character development, but this would take the cake.

[fleabagreact]

So, I was reflecting on some things in this ep and now there are things that make more sense to me, like Sylvie not killing Victor.

She sees a little bit of herself in him, he's just a variant who hasn't done anything wrong in his life yet and she was going to kill him without him having committed any crime, exactly what the TVA did to her, she is confronted with The question: do people have free will or is everyone's destiny already sealed? She is a Loki but she never played her role as Loki, she was supposed to be a villain but decided to go another way when the TVA captured her, she could have planned to take power for herself but decided to give people free will, so if Can she change and get out of the label they expect from Loki because Victor can't either? It's a risky choice but it's a very strong moral dilemma for her, at that moment she almost becomes the thing she hates most, she almost does what she most resents in TVA, she was about to take away his free will, what if For her to say that he was hopeless and had to be killed would be pure hypocrisy on her part because she also went through it and proved that she could change and become something different from what she was "destined" to be.

And about Loki being obsessed with the mission: He has to be, right? OB says that the ramifications that the Dox pruned gave them more time to fix the loom but the problem is still imminent and Loki understands that, we see that without the loom there is no TVA, there is no sacred timeline and there are no ramifications, the entire reality will be destroyed and that's why he's so obsessed with this mission, this is his way of taking care of the people he loves, he doesn't try to communicate with her because she's already made it clear that she's not interested in what he has to say and the first thing she said when she saw him was that he showed up at McDonalds to destroy her life, how does he not feel after hearing that? He's the one who won't insist on a person who seems to harbor so much hatred for him, he cares a lot about her and when he "attacks" her with magic it's never with the intention of hurting her, he just tries to keep her away from Victor so he doesn't leave her. killing him, it's very complicated but he doesn't have time to resolve it now and he also won't insist on something that clearly makes her uncomfortable.

[disgracefulthings]

I gotta rant a bit about Loki

I have not seen season 2 of his show, but season one killed my love for MCU Loki

Let's start with the movies. The first two Thor movies are usually regarded as some of the worst MCU films (especially the second), but what I like about them is at least Loki has a consistent character arc throughout them (along with the first Avengers film). Loki learns that he's a part of a race that is treated like monsters on Asgard, and this destroys him. He tries to off himself at the end of the first Thor movie, only to end in the hands of Thanos. He went through so much shit throughout all three of these movies, and Thor 2 ends with him on Asgard's throne, leaving the audience wondering what he will do now he got what he thought he wanted.

Then Thor 3 happened. Look, I like Taika Waititi, and Thor 3 is an enjoyable film, but it destroyed Loki's character arc. He's just a silly guy now. Why does he try to backstab Thor? Because he's silly, no other reason. Plus, after Odin has lied to Loki for his entire life, he tells him that he loves him and magically all that trauma about him being a frost giant is gone! In fact, I think the MCU has forgotten that Loki is a frost giant at all! (Shut up, I know about What If). Ok, but what about the next movie. Thanos has finally come and now Loki can confront the person that gave him the mind stone to take over Earth- and Loki's dead.

I really don't like how they killed Loki. Loki is not a character you kill off to show how dangerous this villain will be. Mostly because the movies had forgotten to finish his character arc, but I guess everyone had forgotten he had one at this point.

Did anyone cry when he died? I sure as hell didn't, and I'm a crybaby when it comes to my faves dying. I was more shocked, and I convinced myself that this was another fake out. Honestly it may seem like cope with all these fans believing that he is still alive, but he has faked his death before, and nobody wanted to believe that his story will end in a dumb way that felt like the writers not believing that he mattered as a character.

But he did, and now we have season 1 of Loki. I honestly thought the writers realized how loved Loki is and they would finally finish his character arc. I mean, the show takes place after Avengers 1, and that's when Loki still hated himself for being a frost giant.

But no, Loki is silly again. Thor 3 has really ruined Loki. I understand that the first 2 Thor movies weren't as beloved, but I loved all the Loki scenes. There's a reason why his character became so popular despite the movies not.

Anyway, the first season of Loki isn't all bad. I love that it gave Loki a friend, and Mobius plays off him really well. And... yeah, I think that's all I like about it.

Now on to everything else. To start off, I really don't like Sylvie x Loki. Not only does it give me incestuous vibes, I really don't think Loki should have a love interest at this point (I don't ship Mobius x Loki too because of this point, but I will admit they have way more chemistry than Sylvie x Loki). But as I said, the writers didn't care about his character arc and so they forced a romance they had no time to build up, leaving me confused on why they had them fall in love in one episode, and ohh boy, the episode is super fucking dumb.

They established that you can do anything in an apocalypse situation and there would be no anomalies detected, SO WHY DOES LOKI AND SYLVIE FALLING IN LOVE CAUSE AN ANOMALY??? Because the plot said so, I love lazy writing in the show with my favorite character!!

God, and there's the queer baiting. Now, I can excuse the train scene because daddy Disney can't have shows say the word bi, but the scene where Loki asks the other Lokis if they ever seen another female Loki, and they say no???? WTF!?!? Is Loki gender fluid or not! Also, this is a stupid ass line that didn't need to be in the show? There are an infinite amount of universes, but only 1 female Loki who got caught by the TVA?? That doesn't make sense!

I'm done with Loki and I'm done with the MCU. The only good MCU show I've seen was WandaVision, and they still botched the ending and had a horrible follow up movie.

I heard Loki season 2 was better, but I still don't know why I should even bother

[anukulee]

Relationship Chicken (pt 2)

Beta Read and Edited by, Evelyn.Kingsley.

A/N: Before I get hate for using a Loki and Sylvie image, I am only using it because it's the closest thing I have for the mental image we need for the chapter. Though I also don't want any Sylvie hate, while she isn't my idea of Loki's love interest, she is his love interest and we can't change that. I also don't want any Sylvie actor hate, she can't control her storyline, she just goes along with it. Alright so with that in mind let us begin our journey once more...

Creak, chimed the door upon entry as a small jingle made its presence known; before another creak came in upon closing the door, as Ava was now fully inside the door. She felt her heart pounding the moment the door shut, both at the idea of being roped into another blind date and the stares she was likely getting due to the noisy entrance. Ava tried to reassure herself that it couldn't be that bad; at least, she hoped so. This little bit of hope was what kept Ava moving despite her heart being a nervous mess. Through it was at that moment that Ava was reminded of the one thing that Natasha and Wanda had neglected in the briefing beforehand. How am I supposed to find my date if I don't even have his name, Ava wondered as the realization dawned on her. On instinct, Ava quickly reached into her skirt, retrieving her phone and opening the group chat she shared with Wanda and Natasha. The previous messages filled with their usual brand of mischief, and Ava already had an idea of what she would send.

Chaotic Witches

Ava: Is there something you guys forgot to tell me?

Unfortunately, moments after clicking send, Ava remembered that the team had plans that night. Likely at one of Tony's clubs. "Shit," Ava mumbled. She wanted to take it back, but the word sent was already below her text. As a bit of guilt began to sink in, while some people were fine with messaging friends during plans, Ava was never one of those people. She much preferred to have a rough schedule of her friends; that way, she knew when to text or not. A habit that came in handy, especially during missions, Ava having heard tales of how one wrong move, even a text, could ruin an entire mission. Yet Ava's worries seemed to be unfounded because just as she was about to respond with an apology, she felt her phone vibrate.

Chaotic Witches

Natasha: And what would that be?

Ava: I don't know.

Maybe my date's name or at least a photo. 

How will I be able to spot him?

Without thinking, Ava responded, clearly a little panic. Seconds later another message pop up, this time from Wanda.

Chaotic Witches

Wanda: Sakra, I knew we had forgotten something.

Nat, why didn't you remind me?

Natasha: You're the mind reader , I thought you'd remember.

Wanda: Clearly I didn't, or we wouldn't be here.

Ava: Guys focus!

After this, it took a few moments before another text bubble, this time belonging to Natasha.

Natasha: I will just text him. No big deal.

This left Ava to wonder how long it took for Natasha to come up with that, given Natasha had a habit of jumping in before having everything. Likely due to her years of training, where she likely had no time to think before she died. Ava waited for Natasha to text her back, hoping it would be a clue to her date's whereabouts. Ava, on instinct, was about to see if she could watch a quick shot from one of her subscriptions on Youtube when she remembered she didn't have any AirPods or anything to listen to. There goes that plan, she thought, as she wondered what she could do instead. Perhaps she could read, something she barely had time to do given the amount of work, it took to be an Avenger. That left Ava where to read on; she could try Wattpad if she wanted some real stories, perhaps Quotev for some fanfiction (a passion from her younger days that held today), though Tumblr or A03 would work as well. Ava debated between them, and just as she was about to choose, she received a box from the group chat. Ava swiped her finger up, going through her open apps before finding the group chats one more.

Chaotic Witches

Wanda: So we found a solution...

Ava: And that is what?

Ava's respondence was more like hers, as she didn't wish for any more pre-longing games. Her initial guilt was now absolved. They had enough time if they were texting her. 

Natasha: Impatient much?

Ava: Considering you set me up on a blind date,

without telling me his name,

I think you owe me.

Wanda: She does have a point, Nat.

Natasha: Not helping anyway, he says he is near the back,

wearing a black suit.

Ava: Good, next time we do this, try to remember to tell me this.

Nat: You said we are never doing this again, remember?

Ava: Exactly.

With this, Ava closed out the group chat and went in search of the back, yet she found it was the last thing she expected, as rather than be faced with a stranger, she instead found Loki in his place. It was at that moment when Ava truly felt her heart stop.

"What are you doing here," was the first thing Ava asked once she could feel her heart start again.

"Oh, how I love your greetings, darling," Loki exclaimed, paying no mind to the irritated tone of his partner.

"Not the point Friggason."

"Isn't it?"

Barely even a minute into this and Ava was already putting her hand to her head. "Just tell me why you are here."

"To take you out, of course."

"You're my blind date?" she questioned, in disbelief.

"Yes."

"No."

"No?"

"Yes."

"Are you truly so discouraged to see me?" The look that flashed on Loki's face was one of hurt, something that Ava hadn't expected, yet rather than dig deep, she instead ignored it, still thinking this was a part of his game. Yet perhaps if she had looked closer, maybe then things would be different; alas, she didn't.

"I just wasn't expecting you."

"Clearly." A quiet silence drifted over the two of them, something very uncommon given their usual bickering nature. It was as if each was trying to figure out what to say. Treading ever so close to the edge yet never going beyond it, at least not before seeing if the other would do the same. 

Ava, rather than up and leave, did something she was expecting to, as words she never thought she would say came tumbling out. "So what do we do now?"

Hearing this seemed to snap Loki back into himself as soon as he had his usual manner. "Why go on a date, of course."

This only confused Ava further, wondering what his end game was. "You and me." She pointed her finger between her and Loki.

"What else?"

"And if I say no?"

"Then that is your right, but by the sounds of it, I may be the best date you've had in a while."

"And you know this how?" Ava's arms were already crossing against her chest, guarding herself, awaiting a punch line that was never going to come.

"Next time you, the assassin, and the witch wish to discuss personal matters, I would suggest you do it without me present."

"You were listening?"

"You weren't particularly quiet dearest."

"Doesn't mean you should've been listening."

"And why not? You were in a common area where anyone could hear."

"Yes, but...."

"But what?"

"Nothing. The point is you shouldn't have been listening."

"It is far too late for that now, isn't it?"

"I suppose it is."

"So, how does my offer sound?"

"What offer?"

"Why the offer to take you out, of course." A smile began to cross Loki's face upon saying this, something that only seemed to tick Ava off more.

"And why would you do that?"

"Because I am hopelessly in love with you, my darling Ava."

A cruel laugh escaped Ava's lips before she could stop herself. "You in love with me?"

"Is that so impossible that I be in love with someone?" Another hurt look crossed Loki's face, and rather than ignore, Ava chose not to.

"We both know that isn't what this is."

"And what is this exactly?"

"One of your pranks."

"My pranks?"

"Isn't it?"

"You honestly think me confessing my love is one of my pranks?"

"Isn't it?"

At this, Loki did unexpectedly to Ava's, as he began to rub his hand against his forehead almost as if he was irritated. But he couldn't be irritated, could he? After this, it seemed to take Loki a few moments to piece together what to say. 

"Norns above help me," he mumbled under his breath, likely thinking Ava couldn't hear him. It was after that he seemed to piece together what to say. His hand remained on his head. "You know most people would be happy to hear a god confess his love, much less take them on a date, but not you. You think it's a prank."

"Isn't it?"

"No."

"If it isn't, then why are you doing this?"

Loki proceeded to rub his hand against his head once more before looking right at Ava, his eyes not filled with mischief but something that almost looked like seriousness. "You honestly don't get it do you?"

"Get what?"

"That I want to take you out?! That this is all I have ever wanted."

"And why should? Why should I believe you? Just as you spin the words, you could easily take them away."

"You think I would do that to you?"

"I don't know."

"I am going to make you a once-in-a-lifetime offer."

"Which is?"

"Let me take you on a date, just one. If you hate it, then you can hate me for the rest of your life. Consider it your last gift from me."

"And if I don't?"

"Then we'll see what happens, with you give me a real chance, and of course, no more dates until we are done."

Rather than be repulsed at the offer as she expected, Ava didn't think it sounded that bad. If she won, perhaps Loki's game would finally end, thus why she found herself asking something she never thought she would. "Just one date?" 

"Just one."

"If I hate it, then this stops."

"Yes." A look of seriousness remained on Loki's face, and it was at this moment that Ava honestly thought that Loki was serious. Perhaps this may not be as joyful as I thought. At least, she hoped it wasn't because she was about to do the last thing she ever thought she would do. 

"Fine, try to seduce me all you like, but you won't succeed."

"Won't I?" A devilish grin breaks across Loki's face as he holds out his hand, "So I take it we have a deal?"

"Yes," Ava said as she took his hand into her and gave it a firm shake, not knowing what was awaiting her.

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[hard--headed--woman]

this may seem random but I was scrolling your blog and one of your recent posts was about what got you into radfem ideology and I wanted to add my own story cause it was similar.

I remember having blogs on here for various fandoms and being around when the push to headcanon every other character as trans came about. coincidentally, it was always the taller, broader women that got labeled as trans women (but always in some progressive light like they were bestowing them the "honor").

at first, I just kept myself out of it. I didn't know enough about being trans to add my own opinion. but then, on my blogs, I would get asks about "gender headcanons" (do you remember those? jfc) and I would feel pressured to make at LEAST one trans, if not nonbinary, even though it all seemed so redundant.

I ended up removing myself from fandom culture completely until very recently. I keep my opinions separate from my new fandom blog, for my own sanity, but it does irritate me to see that this obsession with every character being queer is still alive and well. and yet us actual gay people are just supposed to pretend it's not a trend.

Oh my god the gender headcanons 😭 I literally hated them. I remember when I was deep into the Loki show fandom ; it was literally impossible not to headcanon Loki and Sylvie as trans, non binary or genderfluid. That was ALL people were talking about. Just because Sylvie is a strong and badass female character, she of course had to be a trans woman or at least some sort of non binary. And obviously you couldn't say you disagreed, or you were an evil TERF. People would spam the tags and the discord servers with this, and send you asks to ask you what were your gender headcanons, and you couldn't say you just saw them as normal women and men.

Fandoms are so obsessed with gender. I read fics sometimes, OK, I like it, actually. And when you look for fanfictions you literally cannot spend two seconds without seeing tags like "trans Ronald Weasley", "genderfluid Nymphadora Tonks" and shit like that. Crazy.

People are obsessed with making characters "queer". They'll turn every character into some nuance of trans or non binary, often poly and pansexual too. Everything about the characters then becomes related to "queerness" or "gender" - the way they act, dress, speak, everything they do, say or like. They're no more depth or intersting personalities, it's just "queer uwu". And you have, of course, to headcanon some characters as trand or enby, or you're boring and possibly terfy.

Also I agree with you - I notice it's always the characters that are even just a bit gnc that get headcanoned as non binary, especially female characters. Sylvie isn’t a nice pretty little princess who gives up on everything for her man and her outfit isn’t sexualized ? Trans. Tonks has short hair ? Non binary! This masculine female character ? Trans of course. Sooo annoying.

I removed myself from fandom spaces too lol. Because of their obsession with gender, but also their misogyny in general. Female characters are treated like shit by fandoms. They get ignored, vilanized, killed off/pushed out of the way for male characters, treated like sexual objects... I just decided to abandon my side blogs and to leave the fandom discord servers I was in. I can't enjoy fandom in such conditions.

[neyafromfrance95]

i'm so sorry to see that you're being vagueposted about for your sylki takes. it may be true that how you see sylki is a bit different than a certain section of the fandom, but that doesn't at ALL mean that you shouldn't be allowed to have your own takes! fwiw, i followed you bc i actually agree with and really enjoy ur perspective on sylki. i was getting frustrated with how many people seem to view this ship in a super heteronormative way and want sylvie to basically become a housewife, and i was so glad to find a blog that felt the same way. this fandom has become tiring tbh with how many people are now freaking out that sylvie hasn't immediately started having lokis babies in s2, and i really wish that people would at least leave room for others to have their own opinions!

this! that section of sylki shippers do not leave any room for you to have your opinions! they act like a fanon police controlling what you say in your posts on your blog!

and god forbid that what you say opposes their own hcs and takes, if you commit this unforgivable sin of having a take that is different from theirs, you better be ready for some good old online group harassment! they will make you feel like you are not welcome in this fandom, they will make sure that you are hurt, they will alienate you and force you out!

but no, you are the bad guy for jokingly calling a fandom in general "vanilla" and saying (after several disclaimers that it's your personal opinion) that when it comes to canon, you don't think that sylvie should be all about being loki's housewife.

at this point i honestly hate this fandom. there are some decent sylkis out there and i love the ship itself, but a big portion of the fandom has simply sucked all the joy for the series out of me. i wonder if they realize what the consequences of their behavior could be? back when i said (in my blog) that i don't think sylvie having babies is a compelling completion of her story in canon, and this bunch came to my blog to harass me for my takes, i was in a very *very* bad place already, and the space that was supposed to be my escape pretty much turned on me and added up to an already depressing state i was in.

and bfr anyone says that it's just a fandom wank, let me tell you that these people know how to be really cruel, whether they realize it or not, their behavior is simply cruel. they don't just argue in favor of their opinion, they shit on you personally, get aggressive towards you personally, make you feel like you "can't sit with them", ect. it gets really creepy and ugly.

and the thing is, i never addressed anyone specific in my posts, i never said *this* person and *that* person have shitty hcs/takes, i never even vaguely hinted at a distaste towards the hcs/takes of someone specific, but they accuse me of pointing fingers. when i said that i didn't think canon sylvie having babies would work, i never said anything about sylki babies in fanfiction, yet people accused me of pointing fingers at the fic writers. and they would come to my blog, harass me in the replies and asks, and talk about how despicable i am in their own blogs, and it went on and on for a while.

thanks for your nice words, anon, they are uplifting. and to those who can't stand me so much, don't worry, i'm going to leave this fandom once the series is finished. i hope you are satisfied that being a shitty, gatekeeping, narrow-minded, egocentric person worked for you! but don't ever feel entitled to complain about how lokius shippers treat you.

[tori-artemis]

I don't usually make posts when I'm upset about something (or like, at all) but honestly I'm just. Really sick of the Loki fandom as a whole. Like I'm just tired of all the pettiness and bullshit. And tbh it's on both ends of the Loki series/Ragnarok split. Both pros and antis.

This isn't so much a vague post as it's a vent post for me. You see, I've been having these feelings about the Loki fandom overall for months now, and I've seen certain posts from the positive side where I just want to - jump in and say something, or at least speak for myself as an ""anti"" (hate that word btw) bc the amount of generalizing I've seen that goes on over there wrt ppl who dislike the show is just - well it's fucking frustrating. Like it annoys me bc I've heard every dumb overgeneralization since the show first came out, from not wanting Loki to move on bc we're oh-so-traumatized to we're just bitter bc the show didn't go the way we wanted/our hcs of Loki weren't validated, etc.

I think one that annoyed me the most was the claim that ppl who hate/dislike Sylvie as a character do so out of misogyny. And like - maybe there's some truth there wrt how the character/actress tend to be bombarded with gendered slurs, and yes that's not cool, but I've never referred to Sylvie or Sophia as any slur. (In fact I don't even hate Sylvie - what I do hate is how the writers have set her up as a "superior" contrast to Loki, which to me seems very intentional on their part, particularly wrt the Trauma Olympics™ as in "Sylvie had it so much harder" 🙄 - but I digress). Yet I can't help but feel like I'm being lumped in the "antis are misogynists" bin every time I read any of those posts from the pro side, simply bc I dislike the way a character was utilized. The way those posts are written, the way they sound - it's very black and white, overgeneralizing an entire group of fans, there's no nuance or side notes or disclaimers of "hey - I know not all of y'all are like this, this is just about some I've encountered" - not even in the tags, nothing. And I've just wanted so badly to jump in and say: "hey, anti here and I'm not like that" but I refrain, bc I've grown so tired of all the fandom infighting and discourse that I usually don't have the energy to get into it. So when I see someone from that side of fandom jump on a post and say how they dislike being overgeneralized as a fan, and how they feel like they're being misrepresented, or condescended to... I can't help but feel kinda upset by that, ngl. Part of me just wants to say "yes it sucks, but recognize that your side (if not you yourself) does it too. Some of you folks do it too."

Like I've read posts implying/stating that antis who hate the show lack critical thinking skills - and like, look, there might be a bit of truth wrt, say, calling Sylvie an outright abuser (and even I've been a little guilty of agreeing to view her as a person with toxic traits as opposed to the enemy-to-lovers trope she clearly falls into - tho I still can't really fault myself for not being able to take that romance seriously due to how damn rushed and forced it felt - but that's besides the point). But there's just something about the way a lot of these posts are worded, like yes some posts are pretty reasonable, but others are practically dripping with condescending sentiment (for lack of better words) as if we're fucking stupid for having emotional reactions to media as opposed to critical reactions, when isn't that the point of media and art, to illicit emotions? Like yes, the story might be trying to say something (and it might epically fail in doing so, which is how I view the show overall) but it's also meant to move ppl. And if it fails to do so, or it garners an unintended reaction, or the characterization is too inconsistent or the story telling itself is rushed/filled with inconsistencies then can you really blame fans for, well, being blindsided by disappointment/their emotions as opposed to critically analyzing it? And yes I know this is a matter of opinion, but still.

(Like sometimes a story can be extremely well written overall, and very well thought out and fans will just be oblivious to, choose to ignore or even outright refuse to pick up on the symbolism within a story, or the internal motivations/conflicts within a character, or how a character progresses/character arcs in general. Sometimes fans will even completely and intentionally misread a character in their entirety, and the role they play within a story, no matter how skilled and how excellent the writing is within a piece of art. And sometimes fans will just overall fail to realize the major themes/hints that a writer carefully lays out. Yes this is a thing, and one I've been made aware of in the particular fandom that I'm about to join.)

But then there's stories that are just... lazily/half-heartedly written at best, and so I just don't understand where pro stans get off by being condescending to ppl like me who just couldn't be immersed due to all those flaws in storytelling. Especially when I didn't get enough out of it to even see where a lot of these conclusions fans seem to have drawn from it. Like there are some inconsistencies within the story itself, there are things that just don't make a whole lot of sense, there are many contradictions, I didn't just make them up. And again I know, everyone interprets media differently, but I don't really see what a lot of pro fans have taken from the series, bc I personally don't think its there. And I really don't appreciate being thought of as some kind of imbecile for not "getting it" when the media in question is, objectively... not all that great tbh. And I'm being absolutely neutral when I say that, like I'm literally not even hating here.

And like I could've easily have turned around and made a bunch of posts stating how pro fans are "stupid" for putting so much thought into a piece of media I personally find to be stupid or just lacking in general, but I haven't. Bc one: that's a shitty thing to do to ppl, and two: it wouldn't even be true bc so many ppl who I consider very intelligent have enjoyed this show, and do put a lot of thought into analyzing it, so despite me not really seeing where they're coming from I want to respect that. And look, it's not like I haven't had those presumptuous thoughts or knee jerk reactions, bc yeah I am in an echo chamber too, and I'm no saint - I'm definitely human and I've had some overgeneralized, uncharitable takes. But I recognize this about myself, I don't post that shit. Which is why I get so upset when I see so many other fans do just that.

Also there is a definite misuse of the depiction of torture, which is used to convey certain themes, and that's very unfortunate, and IMO very bad writing/storytelling. I probably would've been a little more charitable towards the series overall if the Sif-beatdown timeloop scene had been scrapped altogether like the writers seriously should've considered doing (due to the fact that torture has so many misconceptions and is grossly excused in the majority of media which has unfortunate real world consequences) and instead focus more on Loki confronting his fear of being alone, if that truly is what the intention for that scene was. Like yes, some antis might go overboard wrt the messaging within the show, but when it comes to things like the atrocious time loop scene... that's not a made up thing we just happen to pull out of nowhere, that's something the writers put in there and therefore, yeah that's pretty fucked.

Then on the other side I'll find myself liking a post from a negative series fan bc I'll agree with the overall sentiment of it, only to unlike it right after reading the tags bc they've said something like "ppl who like this show/movie/etc are stupid" or "if you ever defended or even enjoyed TR fuck you" - and like??? WTF. I understand disliking the show or whatever but why the hell would you brush over an entire group of real, actual people as "idiots" for simply liking a piece of media??? Like - do I think the show was a disjointed mess? Yeah, I do. Do I think it was poorly written? Yes. Do I even think the reasoning behind a lot of these writing decisions was really fucking stupid on the creators part (or at the very least, that they failed to convey their ideas clearly)? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean anyone who's ever enjoyed the show is stupid for doing so, and I say this as someone who does have the knee-jerk reaction to go "how could you like that show, it sucked so much!"

But like, at the end of the day I understand that ppl take different things out of media. And just bc you find something so stupid or unwatchable, doesn't mean others will, and that's okay bc ppl are different and have different tastes and IDK how ppl don't fucking get that??? Like why is this even a hot take when it's literally just a fact???

It's shit like this that makes me feel like leaving the fandom all together. Which I don't really want to do, bc despite everything wrong with fandom and despite my own personal disappointment with the latest Loki/Thor franchise installments I still really love Loki as a character, and I still want to write fic revolving him. I even still want to make friends within the Loki fandom bc that's literally why I created this blog in the first place, to befriend other Loki fans, like I could've easily stayed being a lurker within the fandom but regardless I think at this point it's farfetched to want this bc the fandom's just way too split and way too hostile and way too fucking eager to be uncharitable and condescending af. And I'm just tired. I'm just... really really tired of the pettiness, the condescending attitude a lot of fans seem to fucking have for anyone who might think differently from them.

I'm tired of the gatekeeping - on both sides. It's on both sides. Because saying "real Loki fans would never like/defend TR/the show" and "how anyone can claim to be a Loki fan if they hate him/his own show" aren't so far apart from each other, both sentiments basically say the same thing, just from polarized viewpoints.

And I wish more fans would just recognize that.

[brothersonahotelbed]

my coworker and i were talking today about the new season of loki and how neither of us has watched any of the new episodes yet and what was crazy was that he said he had heard next to nothing about the new series, whether it was bad or good or anything like that, and he's on tiktok and instagram and twitter, like he's very active with social media. and then i was like ..wow you're right come to think of it i have not heard a LICK about the new season with the except of one piece of fanart from the tumblr radar. and he was like if i didn't know better i wouldn't have known at all that there was a new season because there's been zero talk about it online and only a few commercials on tv. and then i confessed to him that despite loki being one of my favorite characters ever i really wasn't all that into the first season and hardly excited about the second and i really felt like they didn't do his character justice and also i think the sylvie arc was stupid as hell and mobius should die and to make things even worse they barely gave loki ANY cool sexy audacious outfits to wear. like. he wore a fucking dirty white button up and slacks and a tie nearly the whole time it seemed. also i didn't say this to him but i hhaaated that they were pushing loki and sylvie to be together, and i didn't hate that because it was "weird" that it was "selfcest" or whatever like that wasn't even the worst bit the worst was that sylvie's character is bland and boring and kind of anoying and it makes me feel like i'm a misogynist for not liking her but honestly i think th emarvel writers just threw her in there and maybe they're the real misogynists here. like everything about the show just sucked and it's like okay are you going to give loki an actually interesting arc or are you just going to make his whole character about being abused and neglected and soooooooooo close to redemption but it turns out he'll always be the bad guys haha! like what the fuck. marvel always fucking treats him like trash not to mention i thought the plot of s1 was kind of boring and i would MUCH rather watch a loki tv show that was all about his youth on asgard or honed in specifically on his relationship with thor OR GOD FORBID HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS MOTHER??? QUEEN FRIGGA??? DOES ANYONE REMEMBER HER CAN WE GET A LITTLE SPOTLIGHT ON HER?? AND THE WAY SHE TREATS LOKI SO WELL AND MAKES HIM FEEL LIKE HE'S REALLY WORTH A DAMN IN THIS WORLD?? I WANT TO SEE THAT KIND OF STUFF NOT MARVEL'S SAD AND SORRY ATTEMPTS AT HETEROSEXUAL ROMANCE CONCERNING A CHARACTER WHO IS CANONICALLY QUEER. GET LOKI A FCKING BOYFRIEND AND THEN DIE !!!!!!

[nostalgia-tblr]

s1 felt like a whole piece where every thread is tightly intertwined together. every scene, every line had a multilayered purpose. it was a very well-crafted storytelling. one of the main reasons this was possible was because its' focus was narrowed down to two characters - loki and sylvie.

i'm not sure how i feel about s2. it feels all over the place and the essence of the story doesn't feel quite as profound and fresh. it's all about fun time jumping stuff but it lacks the metaphorical depth of s1.

and i feel like it's very far from being as memorable as s1 was. one thing that did stick with me was the tone and pacing of s2e1, but other than that i'm left with this thought that it "could have been better", something that i never felt about s1.

but it seems like an unpopular opinion.

nah, i feel you. i am trying to withhold judgement until the end, because maybe it'll all tie together really neatly somehow, but it does feel a bit... unfocussed? at the halfway point. I don't hate it or anything, but it's hitting my narrative kinks less and i am not sure where it's going with all this time loom shit and whatnot. it feels less character-driven, and ep 3 did spend a good chunk of time on characters but it was secondary ones and it felt like it was a different story to some extent - maybe just the setting/aesthetics? i did want to know where ravonna had gone at the end of s1! so why was i not that into that episode? D: but maybe i will be more into it once i know wtf it was all going?

so far it feels both full of stuff and like it's dragging everything out to kill time. and none of us really care about the fucking time loom, do we? guys just reboot it or reinstall windows or whatever the fuck. i am not even sure what happens if it explodes. is it going to explode? well if it does, then... what? there's probably a line that explained that, even, but as i said who the fuck cares? i want more existential shit about identity and destiny and also i miss the alligator D:

[ijuststareatstuffhereok89]

Sylvie is the Mary Sue-est Mary Sue I have ever seen. The show is so blatant about it; they're not the least bit subtle. I'm surprised they didn't have the characters actually looking directly into the camera to tell us kids watching at home how incredibly amazing and special she is. It seems like they were always one step away from that, with the way they had every character gushing and regarding her with such adoration and respect. Yuck.

One could make the argument that Sylvie "stole the spotlight". But for a character to steal the spotlight, it has to be unexpected, unscripted and most importantly, unplanned. Sylvie didn't steal the spotlight so much as the spotlight was wrapped up in a great big bow and given to her like a convertible on her sweet 16th. She's the creators' pet, and it is painfully obvious. The whole show was orchestrated in her favor. She is completely coddled, protected and supported by the narrative framing. Every other character in the show really has no other purpose but to be a supporting character for her in some way - whether they're there just for her to beat up on, or just to simply spread by word of mouth how incredibly better and special and important she is. Sylvie didn't steal anything, but she was given EVERYTHING.

Something I wish Sylvie defenders would understand is a lot of our hatred is not based on her being romantically paired with Loki (although that's still a solid 8.5 on the Ick-ter Scale for me). Its for exactly what you've said: Sylvie was handed every sympathy, plot point, basically the lead in every way, when it's not even her show. Fans came to see LOKI. Not a Variant. Loki. Tom-MangoFuckin-Hiddleston as Loki.

Honestly, if she were like The Scarecrow from Wizard of Oz...a major character Loki bonded with but was only a side character to help him on his wider journey, I may not be so inclined to loathe her. Or if she was one of the Variants in The Void. Or if they WANTED her to be an OG MCU lead, give her a show and make it be a simple plot twist that she's a Loki and that's it.

She hijacks the show, and not for the better. Her presence eliminates the possibility of actual Marvel characters with more complex and fascinating histories to exist. Its a combination of writers who don't care for the character shutting out the actors and fans who DO care, and just mediocre writing to begin with. I don't even hate Sophie DiMartino. More than anything, I feel bad that she got such a craptastic MCU identity to work with.

Fun fact: Jessica Henwick turned down a role in the MCU because she wants Colleen Wing from Iron Fist to come back. Why can't the writers of shows have as much foresight and respect for fans as some of these actors??