#liubingshen

[wumiings]

Shen bros AU where Shen Yuan manages to circumvent his hang-ups about his sexuality out of pure spite. Shen Jiu is just like “never trust ANY man and stay away from THOSE TWO* in particular” and SY goes “well shit now I have to fuck both of them I guess” because SJ isn’t the boss of him

*LBH and LQG

[tireddemi]

I just read the new chapter and I loved it so much! Wasn't sure what to comment on the fic, so I will say it here!

HOW TIME BLIND IS LBH NOT TO HAVE NOTICED HE LEFT HIS WIFE FOR MONTHS?! AT LEAST SY HAD AN EXCUSE, BUT HE DOESN'T, I want TLJ to give him the earful he deserves.

Also, not the kids basically labelling LQQ and LBH as the enemy 💀💀💀. Why do all the people that love SY hate each other so much??? I hope the animosity pass, though the idea of hissy cats disciples protecting their shifu is hilarious, I do wish they can get along at SOME point; if they band together, they can protect SY better from assholes like the OPM.

aaaahhhh, I loved this chapter so much, the wait was worth it and I cannot wait for what comes next! I am already wearing my #1 fan headband and light sticks!

At this point no one likes each other but they like SY at the same time XD It's hilarious disharmony and I love stirring the pot because those two deserve to face a hoard of possessive children just to get to their wife (it will prepare them for their future kids)

Glad to see you liked it! Thanks for reading and commenting! Stay tuned!

[the-music-maniac]

I was thinking about Bingliushen today, y'know, as you do, because of this awesome (and true) post here and was abruptly reminded of the complaints I've heard about Bingliushen on this basis, mostly that they can't see it happening between Binghe and Qingge and that it's unrealistic.

First of all, valid! People absolutely don't need to ship it, or think it's plausible tbh, fandom is fun because there are differing opinions.

But I still did want to talk about why I find the ship so compelling, since part of the reason I love it so much is BECAUSE it's so unlikely.

I want to preface this by saying first that I don't actually think LBH and LQG falling for each other is impossible, as some people do, since I think that's the biggest protest with this ship. People don't seem to have as much of an issue believing LiuShen. Anyways, I just think that LBH and LQG ending up as a thing is only merely difficult. That's kind of an important distinction.

And the reason is because I really don't think Luo Binghe is only capable of truly loving (in a general sense) one person as an adult (specified adult because we do see that he loved his mother as a kid. He's also fond of Ning Ying Ying as a child but we see that they're not as close when he comes back cause of the murdery demon thing). That does appear to be the case in the story because the man is VERY intense when it comes to Shen Qingqiu, but I think that's more of a result of all the trauma he experienced as a kid, and the abandonment issues. He fell for Shen Qingqiu as an impressionable child - through no fault of Shen Qingqiu obviously because he fully viewed Luo Binghe as a disciple and wasn't grooming him or anything (also they're cultivators so they're technically immortal? How does age differences work in that case?). Shen Qingqiu in that instance was the one person in his world as a teen, the first person outside immediate family to ever tell him he's not a monster for being a demon - and also someone who's considered more valuable than Binghe - a lauded, accomplished authority figure I suppose. Someone important who sees value in Binghe when he's been told he's worth nothing. The instances of being left behind by his mother (cause she died obvi) and then by one of the only other people who cared for him - pushing him off a cliff to die because he's a demon (or so he believes) has to fuck with your head. And if you love the person the amount Luo Binghe appears to, well I understand being intense once you finally get them back. To an unhealthy level tbh, but then again this man needs so much therapy in general 😅. Get you some healthy coping mechanisms and healing, good sir! Also it's just occuring me as I'm saying all of it that it sounds like I'm calling Luo Binghe out for having daddy issues (parental issues?) but like. I'm sorry but he kinda does.

So, I don't think anyone is only capable of loving a singular person, but, as I mentioned before, because this is their (LBH and SQQ's) love story, we only focus on them. LBH does have the capacity to rebuild a support system, to make friends, expand the amount of people who care about him and who he cares about. Basically my point is that I believe even though he doesn't have other close emotional relationships with people by the end of the book, that he potentially COULD. I also want to mention that the concept of polyamory for Binghe to me, in terms of only as sexual relationship in the beginning at least, is also not outside the realm of possibility, just cause of the existence of Bingge. We know he doesn't love anyone in that version of him, and it could be argued that matters change because he does love SQQ, but regardless, the fact is there that a version of Binghe does engage in polygamy. He is okay with multiple partners, that's not some huge hang-up or random morality issue for him. So the idea of LBH agreeing to a threesome with LQG and SQQ because he thinks SQQ would like it, isn't remotely impossible in my books.

It's hard to say if LQG is open to a relationship with multiple partners, we don't see much of his relationship preferences beyond the fact that he likes SQQ, but I can regardless see him being the type of person that grits his teeth and hangs around just to see SQQ and tries his best to get along with LBH cause it makes SQQ unhappy that they hate each other. I can see him noticing despite himself, LBH who, now that the situation is no longer so dire, challenges him and is on par, can defeat him over and over, merely because it's been so long since he's had a real challenge, has hit an immovable wall. Tbh LQG doesn't really give the time of day to people who haven't either helped him in some way (SQQ) or people who can match him in a fight. What is it like to find someone who actually gives him a run for his money? And what is it like seeing the downtime of LBH while he's there for SQQ's company, enough to realize that this man on top of being a demon that everyone in the sects laud as evil, partakes in those ordinary domestic things that every person does? What is it like to slowly be able to see that SQQ really isn't in any danger from LBH, and ending up on random errands with him in the name of peacekeeping, realizing they might actually work together well as a team? The hilarious thing is I'm pretty sure one of LQG's love languages is literally just. Violence. Fighting for SQQ's body back. Protecting those he cares about with force. Hunting for rare monsters to bring back. Shit like that. And y'know what? That's a language both LBH and LQG speak fluently. Very fluently. They can understand each other so easily. And I think that's something that LQG would be taken aback by in a good way.

Also if I'm going to be honest, as weird as it sounds, I'm pretty sure LBH is going to be the hold up in the getting along thing. Because at where canon ended: he had already won. He's with the person he loves. There isn't much incentive for him to be nice to LQG beyond not wanting SQQ to be disappointed. SQQ married him, chose him, regardless of what happens, SQQ is probably not going to leave LBH out of the two. Harsh, but solid logic. And his dislike of the other man is entirely connected to the fact that LQG likes SQQ and LBH has abandonment issues for days (for good reason tho I will say).

LQG on the other hand has acknowledged that LBH has won, and so he likely is also thinking along the same lines - I have more at stake here because if SQQ were forced to choose, no way would he choose me over the man he married. He really does have more incentive to get along with LBH. Not only that, a large part of his animosity also appeared to stem from worry about SQQ. Like he seemed to have fought LBH for SQQ's body back cause he thought LBH was doing some fucked up shit, being selfish etc. LQG doesn't seem the type to hold grudges. He dislikes LBH because it repeatedly and actively hurts to see him with SQQ - it's an anger and hatred that stems from softer emotions like the knowledge that he lost the man he loves, that he wasn't good enough (and here is where I cry btw). It's to protect himself from the emotional hurt. One that could potentially be alleviated by growing closer to both SQQ and LBH. Meanwhile at the beginning LBH is a kind of cold, smug dislike. So he really is the hold out. But again, the previous things I have said about how LBH doesn't only have the capacity to care about one person, coupled with his previous chill attitude towards sexual relations and polyamory and his rather obsessive need to please SQQ - I can very much see LBH agreeing to a threesome to make SQQ happy, and to taunt LQG, and then being slowly surprised at how much he doesn't actually?? Hate this??? SQQ doesn't love him any less or appear to have any thoughts of leaving him, and meanwhile he has this hot dude in his bed sounds like a win for everyone lmao

So anyways, that's kinda point one: I think it's very improbable, not impossible. It takes a very specific sequence of events. But it can happen.

Two:

I fully believe LQG and LBS are not soulmates or anything of the sort, since it does tend to be the general assumption within stories like this (xianxia and even wuxia), that there is the existence of soulmates, the red string of fate, a predetermination that these people will eventually care for each other, something more set in stone, or even of 缘分 (Yuán fen) where it's not fated in the sense that it's set in stone, but fated in that there is a high probability or an affinity for a relationship, or a meeting and event.

The point is that, certainty in a lot of stories, the concept of falling for each other no matter what, over and over, is a theme and viewed as romantic. And it absolutely is! I love stories where people end up together - in any capacity, doesn't have to be platonic - in every conceivable scenario. Hell, that's why I love reading AU's. And while it's not canonical that Binghe and Qingqiu are fated, while if anything their relationship is also a one in a million chance, people in the fandom still seem view BingQiu as soulmates. Or at least probable in the story. Valid. I mean it's hard to argue with the fact that they did indeed canonically fall in love against all odds - that is in character for them because this story is their love story.

But here's what drives me absolutely crazy in the best way about Liu Qingge and Luo Binghe's relationship: within the premises of canon (where LBH is damn possessive about SQQ and doesn't like LQG for that reason, and meanwhile LQG doesn't like LBH cause he thinks he's immoral and also cause he loves SQQ) they are the most unlikely, out of the left field, came out of absolutely nowhere to blindside you with the sheer depth of your emotions, type of love. They are the relationship that peak lords gossip about - "SQQ made sense, he was always fond of LBH, but LQG???? He was always the most vocal about his hatred. Well I never-" etc. Etc. They would be the relationship that shakes LQG and LBH's understanding of themselves and how the world around them functions to the core: because neither of them could've imagine in a million years that they had the capacity to view their greatest enemy with the tenderness of love. The sheer audacity of it, of suggesting these bitter romantic rivals could grow to love each other to match what they feel for SQQ - that's the good shit.

After all, while SQQ and LBH were also unlikely, they were only that because LBH was a fictional character up until Shen Yuan died. Even as a disciple LBH knew he liked SQQ, this man fully saw that one coming. And SQQ may be oblivious as fuck romantically, but even so he did acknowledge that he was already fond of LBH. They most certainly did go through hardships and obstacles to get where they are - but always with the acknowledgement that loving each other was never the hard part. It was always everything else.

So there's point two of why I like the unlikeliness of BingLiuShen - because loving each other is the difficult path for LBH and LQG. With the bitterness of everything that had passed, falling is not the part that is easy. And it shakes the laws of this universe. It makes LBH and LQG question everything. It makes them wonder what they know about the world, the rigid lines of black and white they've lived in, and their stubborn ideas that love can only ever be a finite source that will run out if you spread too widely. And not only that, it may help with LBH's abandonment issues - to have two people willingly choose him against all odds - one who actually started off hating him. And in the process, his level of attachment to SQQ might become a little healthier. Like I get that it is a story so no judgement here, but it can't be good for LBH to place his entire value of the world all in one singular person. That's hard on both SQQ and LBH. In making LBH question his worldview and viewpoints on love and relationships, it may be the thing that kickstarts him letting other people in in a platonic capacity as well. And as for LQG's worldview, it would be nice to show him that there can incandescent happiness in this life, not merely just contentment with his usual rigid routine. To give him a happy ending, truly. This is just a fancy way of saying he makes my heart hurt so I want to give him two boyfriends the end.

The enemies to friends to lovers trope also ties into this and is so compelling because it also requires so much character growth to occur for it to work. Like not only is their worldview shaken, but both LQG and LBH need to change as people (for the better) for them to even consider making a relationship with all three of them work out in the long run. People don't hate each other for no reason, there is almost always some Bad Thing™ that occurs to make them dislike each other, be it rivalry (love rivalry in this case) an outside force (their respective groups are enemies) or because they hate some aspect of the other person. It involves acting on their worst instincts - pushing someone away from jealousy, hurting each other because they let anger take over. For that to become love, requires WORK. It requires each character to actively notice their own biases, choose of their own volition to correct themselves, to change and possibly become better as they get to come to understand their "enemy". They have to choose to lay down their arms, every single step of the way. That is so difficult to do. So unlikely. So improbable. As I said before, it's the harder path. And yet they walk it, and if they succeed, I think that's something so precious because it was so quietly and fiercely fought for.

Anyways this is getting long as fuck so while I have some more to say about BingLiuShen as a whole, I think I'll end this here. Thank you so much for reading!

[moon-as-acolyte]

All three of CLCF’s main characters are in different genres

Luo Binghe: a coming of age epic

Shen Yuan: a queer romantic dramedy

Liu Qingge: the epilogue of a protagonist who physically survived a tragedy but mentally is a little shaky

[asikaia]

I have been writing this LiuBingShen fic for like two months now, and I’m not fully satisfied with it, but if I don’t post it I will abandon it. Hopefully I can edit it a little more soon, but for now, this is the best I got.

[thegoldenavenger]

liushen for the ask game? or bingliushen if u have that already

LiuShen yes. Sorry I'm new so idk whether there's a specific shen usually attributed to this ship name. I'm assuming shen yuan though??? (Either Shen Yuan or Shen Jiu honestly.... I just love liu qingge so like.... I'm gonna be Favorable to any ship with him in it. )

Liu qingge & shen yuan my preferred dynamic is canon man .... stupid bricks for brains jock realizes he has feelings after his prickly, nerdy senior gives him the tiniest scrap of affection, but that nerd is even denser than Liu qingge so neither of them notice.

Man I love unrequited ships so much...... like. Guard dog Liu qingge would throw his life away for this oblivious emotional black hole of a man who gets gold in the mental gymnastics for how far back he has to bend to justify his first thought upon seeing the war God being "[a face] as beautiful as a fine woman's" ((what the fuck shen yuan)) like....... fuckin sucks that it takes literally trying to merge realms together for shen yuan to realise his feelings Liu qingge never had a chance!!! :(

I love the Concept of Liu qingge forever on the cusp of realizing he loves this fool of a man but just. Never thinking about it. For whatever reason. Just. What would it matter anyways, no need to put effort into that when he could track down a massive beast and fight that instead, and if shen qingqiu could use some of the spare parts, well. That's just a bonus.

Anyways. I think they'd also be cute together I just love angst ahaha.

I think a fun AU for LiuShen would be... ugh I'm torn. Witcher au though. Liu Qingge as the Witcher in question but he just follows scholar Shen Qingqiu around because Shen Qingqiu wants to record a bestiary from life and Liu Qingge is like. Yes. Completely normal behavior.

But also.... maybe a werewolf au where Shen Yuan finds an abnormally large dog in a huge bit of trouble and jumps in to help... accidentally jumping into an urban fantasy magical realism underworld of supernatural creatures and making himself a target of powerful enemies. The big dog turns out to be a werewolf who is (of course) liu qingge who ends up staying close to shen yuan's side to pay him back and also protect him.

I think either would work well with them haha, plenty of opportunity for them to be dense about each other.

[ryuvnosuke]

i wasn't too big on liubingshen in all honestly

however,

[rarepears]

Do you know soursoppi?

They make amazing art, there's mdzs, svsss, tgcf etc.

BUT THE BEST IS THE BEAR BINGHE.

Its PERFECT, and i would like you to go check it out and tell me your opinion.

(the other art is good as well, and the svsss dog au with liubingshen is FUCKING DELICIOUS, those tits are LICKABLE. Lemme nom on some good mantits.)

Ooh, thanks for the rec because m y h e a r t i s m e l t i n g f r o m c u t e n e s s

[immortal-gege]

not a fan of canon bingqiu but a big enjoyer of liubingshen and fem!bingqiu for some reason

[wumiings]

look I hear y’all about liubingshen poly triad but honestly I am sooo invested in continually hostile binghe + qingge in their poly vee while shen qingqiu tries to socialize them like new cats and only lets them in the same room in 15-min increments so they can get used to each other’s scents or whatever

[tireddemi]

Chapters: 1/? Fandom: 人渣反派自救系统 - 墨香铜臭 | The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System - Mòxiāng Tóngxiù Rating: Mature Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Major Character Death, No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Liǔ Qīnggē/Luò Bīnghé/Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū, Liǔ Qīnggē/Luò Bīnghé, Luò Bīnghé/Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū, Liǔ Qīnggē/Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū, Original Liǔ Qīnggē/Original Luò Bīnghé, Original Luò Bīnghé/Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū, Minor or Background Relationship(s), Shěn Jiǔ | Original Shěn Qīngqiū/Yuè Qīngyuán, Mòběi-jūn/Shàng Qīnghuá

  Characters: Liǔ Qīnggē, Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū, Luò Bīnghé, Shěn Jiǔ | Original Shěn Qīngqiū, Yuè Qīngyuán, Original Liǔ Qīnggē, Original Luò Bīnghé, Mòběi-jūn, Shàng Qīnghuá, Cāng Qióng Mountain Sect Peak Lords, Cāng Qióng Mountain Sect, Previous Generation Cāng Qióng Mountain Sect Peak Lords, Tiānláng-jūn, Zhúzhī-láng

  Additional Tags: Luò Bīnghé is a combination of Bingge and Bingmei, Protective Liǔ Qīnggē, Protective Luò Bīnghé, Oblivious Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū, Alpha/Beta/Omega Dynamics, Alpha Luò Bīnghé, Alpha Liǔ Qīnggē, Omega Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū, Alpha Shěn Jiǔ | Original Shěn Qīngqiū, Alpha Yuè Qīngyuán, Beta Shàng Qīnghuá, Omega Shàng Qīnghuá, Alpha Mòběi-jūn, Disciple Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū, Head Disciple Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū, Disciple Liǔ Qīnggē, Disciple Luò Bīnghé, Gray Lotus Luò Bīnghé, Possessive Luò Bīnghé, Luo Binghe is a Part of The Same Generation as Liu Qingge and Shen Yuan, Blind Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū, Shěn Jiǔ | Original Shěn Qīngqiū and Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū are Not the Same Person, Shěn Jiǔ | Original Shěn Qīngqiū & Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū are Siblings, Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū is Shěn Jiǔ | Original Shěn Qīngqiū and Yuè Qīngyuán's Child, Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū is Bad at Feelings, Poisoning, Curses, love curses, POV Multiple, Liǔ Qīnggē Deserves Nice Things, It's All The System's Fault (Scum Villain), System Being an Asshole (Scum Villain), We're Just Going to Ignore It Though, Best Friends Shàng Qīnghuá & Shěn Yuán | Shěn Qīngqiū, The Gremlins Are Plotting, Everyone Needs A Hug, and therapy, Shàng Qīnghuá Deserves Love, Shàng Qīnghuá | Airplane Shooting Toward the Sky's Plot Devices

Summary:

They say a broken heart is useless, but what if it is that broken heart that will be the most priceless?

Born into the world of Proud Immortal Demon Way not once, but twice! Shen Yuan must figure out a way to make sure that the original fate of his first life in this fucked up world doesn't happen...again!

All while having to avoid two people in particular!

Liu Qingge and Luo Binghe!

Determined to make sure that his brothers actually survive in this life and that he and his best friend: Shang Qinghua don't die for a third time, Shen Yuan is going to have to learn a few new things and reveal truths from two past lives!

Also, why the hell does he have a system in this life too?! He didn't have one before! He definitely doesn't need one now! He wants a refund!

[shoukohime]

How about some svsss ships?

Cumplane, liubingshen, tianlang jun/zhuzhi lang, liu qingge/yue qingyuan, liu mingyan/sha hualing

YEAH SVSSS thank you for bringing some variety anon!

I will admit, it's been a few years since I've read the novel and my memory of it is hazy at best. I don't have an opinion on tlj x zzl because I don't know who this is. luo binghe's parents, right? Do we even know anything about them...

lqq was the mean one and yqy the mentor, right? also no opinion, sorry. I barely remember anything about their characters let alone their dynamic.

Without further ado:

all of them compel me 👍

mingling toxic yuri. shl is soooo attracted to lmy it makes her look stupid

cumplane dynamic writer/reader duo. they're besties no they're not. they're losers who explored each other's bodies for sure.

liubingshen gives me the energy of two dogs fighting for a bone (the bone being sqq)

[yueqqi]

Liu Qingge: ...did we just lose Shen Qingqiu?

Luo Binghe, visibly panicking over SQQ’s disappearance: Liu-shishu, we should split up and find shizun—

Liu Qingge: No need.

Luo Binghe: ???

Liu Qingge, yelling: PEAK LORD SHEN QINGQIU IS A WHORE AND AN AMNESIAC IDIOT—

Shen Qingqiu, yelling back from a fan vendor: What the fuck did you just say about me, you stupid shidi—

[checaria]

last min liubingshen for AX!! catch me roaming around artist alley

[tentytarts]

My liubingshen soulmates au fanfiction ‘Fan, Sword, and Flame’ is officially over so I’m posting the soulmarks they had!! You can find my fic here.

[becauseforoncethisisme]

I swear I read a fic on AO3 that I can’t find again. It’s LiuBingYuan, it‘s Binghe PoV and involves them all waking up, their morning routine and Liu Qingge finally letting himself be part of that routine. There’s a whole bit about Binghe showing love through caretaking and also brushing hair. Does anyone know what I’m talking about?

EDIT: Thanks @iremainimmortalinyourmind for telling me that it’s ‘Something like this (somewhere like here)’ by Arbitraryallegory!