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emblemxeno · 2 months ago

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How Gay/Bi the Fire Emblem Fates Characters Are! (this is just for fun, lol)

When I said I wanted to do this, I sort of meant it as a joke, but lol here it is

Here's what I did when making this:

-There's no order within the tiers (i.e. just because Sakura is left of Camilla doesn't mean she's 'more gay' than Camilla), I just put them in this order cuz that's the order I read the supports.

-For most of the Gen 1 cast, the conversations between characters and Corrin are the same no matter what gender Corrin is. This aspect could either mean 1) characters could be base level queer because they can theoretically have the same intimate friendship-turned-relationship with Corrin despite gender OR 2) characters are more definitively straight because they don’t marry a same gender Corrin despite the same conversation. Due to these equally valid readings, I chose not to look at the Corrin supports where they’re the same for both genders.

-The characters that do have unique, gender-dependent Corrin supports are the Gen 2 cast and the "Corrin-sexuals" (Scarlet, Flora, etc.), so I did look at those.

-I read the same-sex supports as catalogued here on Serenes Forest

-I cross checked them with the JP versions of the supports, on pegasusknight.com. Had to use Google Translate which is pretty pathetic, but this was a silly thing to pass the time, not anything serious.

-Most importantly besides the same sex supports, I also looked at the JP exclusive Nohrian Festival of Bonds, translations of which I found @fe14festivalofbondstranslations

Here's a link right to the Nohrian festival masterlist Things can get pretty fucking gay sometimes at that festival, let me tell you.

-I peeked at the My Room dialogue as well, but there's not a good catalogue for those on the English side besides the Fandom Wiki (derogatory) and youtube videos, and pegasusknight.com again for the JP side

-As a rule, I ignored FE Warriors 1 and FE Heroes when making this, but there are some instances in those games that I wanted to call attention to when relevant lol

Keep reading for specifications!

------Red Tier------

-Corrin, Niles and Rhajat are canonically queer in a gameplay and story sense.

-In the JP version, Niles S support with Male Corrin has a good few lines acknowledging the fact that they're both men and what that implies when he proposes, lines the English version cut out.

-Rhajat's entire support chain with Female Corrin in the JP version is unique and different from hers with Male Corrin, while the English version simply copy pasted the male version for both genders. This was done because her S support with Female Corrin was her angsting about being attracted to another woman and being rejected and hated for it, but luckily it turns out F!Corrin returns her love.

For those who haven't read the JP version of Rhajat's support with F!Corrin, here it is linked for your viewing pleasure! IMO it's one of the best supports in Fates.

-To explain the English localizations changes, I think it's because Fates released during a time where the forward thinking stance for gay relationships was trying to pass them off as normal/no different than straight ones. Nowadays, there's more recognition that that's not true; however, even though our attractions as queer people are not socially identical to non-queer people, we are still entitled to rights. Acknowledging the difference of queerness while still respecting our existence and providing opportunity for us to be together, is a stance that ages a lot better over time, and so in my opinion, the JP supports aged a lot better than the English ones.

-However, It isn’t just through the interactions with Corrin that the latter two express attraction to the same gender either, IMO. Niles flirts with other guys constantly (especially in the JP version with Arthur and Subaki), and Rhajat’s connections with other girls, I find read like the girl having a crush on them, like her supports with Selkie and Mitama.

------Orange Tier------

-Anyone who’s followed my blog knows that Soleil is my least favorite character in Fates. Regarding her relationships and sexuality, I find her writing in the English localization to be slapdash and confusing, and her writing in the Japanese version to be incredibly offensive, gross, and predatory. I’m electing to say that her attraction to women is real (thereby ignoring her Class S characteristics), but that she needs a significant overhaul in both versions of the script to even approach characterization that’s both competent and non-problematic.

------Yellow Tier------

These characters display behavior on more than one occasion that reads as very gay to me.

-Sakura and Elise are very good friends to their respective female retainers, and are lovey-dovey to each other as well. Not just in Fates either, their Valentine's Duo in FEH is extremely sweet.

-Not only do Kaze and Silas have incredible devotion to Corrin regardless of gender, they themselves can share a deep camaraderie with each other. Kaze hits it off immediately with Xander (they treasure each other's friendship at A rank, and Xander gets lost in Kaze's eyes at one point lol), as does Silas with Ryoma (he does a blood bond with him and that's gayer than gay sex tbh). In the Nohrian festival of bonds, Kaze calls Laslow very attractive alongside being his usual overly considerate self, and Silas borderline asks Saizo out on a date.

-Unless you've been living under a rock, Camilla is self-explanatory. Toxic Yuri vibes at all times, she's got really fun conversations to read when they're with girls.

-Laslow is the one I'm most iffy on, because his attraction to women is a core part of some of his characterization. But his connection with Odin is just as deep as it is with Selena, his relationship with Xander gives great Doomed Yaoi vibes, and if you squint he goes pathetic Uke mode with Saizo (just like he did with Gerome tbh)

------Green Tier------

-I was initially gonna call this one "Closet Key" but then I realized it was all women in this tier, so I changed the name to something funnier lol.

Every character in this tier has another woman they have a pre-established connection with, often equally or more significant than the ones they have (or can make) with marriable men.

-I did kind of cheat with Azura because I'm considering F!Corrin for her, which I usually wouldn't do. But IntSys really loves ramping up the intertwined fates between Corrin and Azura, regardless of gender, so I'm inclined to include her. I mean, if F/F Edeleth can get so big despite not being different from the M/F version and one character being a silent protag, just because the S rank button exists, I don't see what's reasonably stopping F/F Azurrin from being the same.

Also in Azura's DLC map in FE Warriors 1, a possessed Female Corrin is placed in the role of Arete for references sake, and when Azura says "No! But I just got you back!" it comes across really gay instead of familial lmaooo.

And yes, I know they're cousins, IRDGAF. If problematic hetero relationships can happen in this fuckass series, might as well give the gays some of the pile.

------Blue Tier------

-Y'know that theory about how such overt, try-hard masculine identity can often end up looking homoerotic? Yeah, that's Saizo to me. And he's canonically really misogynistic, so naturally he'd be homophobic as well, lol.

But man, what a flamer he is. Pun entirely intended.

The lord/master and retainer relationships in FE have long been able to be read as romantic, because the lengths that some retainers and guardians go for their charges? It's crazy.

Saizo is incredibly Ryoma-pilled as it is, but in the Nohrian festival conversation, he offers to hold Ryoma's footwear to his chest to keep them warm. And offers the same thing, but for Ryoma's cloak. Yeah yeah, it's explained away as an antiquated tradition of servitude, but IMO that says something about how fucking queer-coded and desperate the master/servant relationship is in FE and fiction as a whole.

Also, again from the Nohrian festival: Saizo gets Silas a doll for his troubling thoughts, Silas says Saizo is actually really nice deep down and basically asks him on a date, Saizo blushes something fierce when Silas calls him cute, and then Saizo actually intends to go on said date at the end of the conversation.

Now, the Nohrian festival could just be pumping Queer Fog into the air to make him act up, but there's just something about Saizo... I wanna put him in a fish bowl and shake him around (affectionately derogatory)

-------Purple Tier------

The characters in this tier have few but noteable instances that are eyebrow raising, and if they had more same sex supports, I'd be curious to see how they'd do.

-Hinoka of course has her Cringefail Wife Setsuna and endless Toxic Yuri potential with Camilla.

-Leokumi is as popular as it is for a reason, the enemies-turned-closest friends schtick is a classic. But they're also just really close with their respective male retainers.

-Ryoma is harder to get a read on because the guy reads as clueless about romance in general in other supports. But he does entertain the servile fantasies of Saizo in the festival, as well as perform the blood bond with Silas, so... maybe Bi by way of Accomplice?

-Xander, as I mentioned earlier, got lost in Kaze's eyes in their support. He explains it away as him liking how Kaze's determined nature changed from when they first met, but hmmmm. But he also has a deep relationship with Laslow and loves him a great deal despite his antics, and also in their supports puts him on house arrest by forcing Laslow to sit on the floor next to his desk while he works and that's fucking nuts, like whoaaa. At that point you might as well have him under the desk.

-Selena and Beruka can theoretically slide into the Green Tier because being in Camilla's orbit just makes you display chronic sapphic tendencies (Beruka in the festival, and Selena in both the supports and the festival), but there ended up being more gray area than the ones in the Green Tier already.

-Charlotte's a toughy because it's a flip-flopped version of Laslow, but she does comment on other women's beauty a lot, and is basically blinded by how pure and wonderful Elise is in the festival. Also in the festival, her and Selena become girl-best friends, and that's good enough for me.

-Arthur is mostly a funny bumbling oaf, but in the JP version (Treehouse you are my mortal enemy), he calls Niles very cute and says he wants a more close, heartfelt relationship with him at the end of their supports, and that was enough to make Niles get embarrassed sooooo...

-The Corrin-sexuals are a chore to dig into as a rule because they have so few conversations.

But Shura has a Nohrian festival conversation with Ryoma, and he gets so submissive servile when he's talking with him, it rivals Saizo. He also calls Corrin's eyes beautiful in a JP My Room dialogue regardless of gender.

-Flora and Scarlet are interesting cases because it's not necessarily *their* writing feels gay, it's just that F!Corrin has unbelievable rizz in her unique supports with them. She calls Scarlet beautiful and strong, and goes stargazing with her in the A rank, with some nice existential dialogue that usually only the closest relationships get into. And with Flora, she uses her three special wishes for Flora to have a happy and fulfilling life, even though Corrin herself admits not being too spiritual. She'll do anything for Flora to be happy, and that's really gay of her (affectionate).

-Shiro is the one most iffy in this tier, part of it could definitely be bias on my end because I really enjoy his supports lol. But unless the translator is fucking up, he calls Asugi cute in the JP version of their supports. His supports with Male Corrin and Siegbert can skew towards "desperate for approval from oblivious guys" which is sad and also relatable lol. He's also not as fussed about Nina's Fujo Fits as other guys are, so he's just tolerant in general. Again though, he'd definitely fit as an ally, too.

-Mitama I found doesn't get as immediately annoyed with her girl support partners as she does with boys, and she's immediately close with Rhajat so like... they can be girlfriends as far as I'm concerned.

-Asugi probably wouldn't have been here were it not for the fact that the JP version of his M!Corrin support has him basically say "I wanna reincarnate and make sweets with/for you in the next life" which, yes it's primarily a reference to how Asugi will be reborn as Gaius in Awakening, but also 1) this support is already predicated on the fact that Asugi and M!Corrin have been going on trips to eat sweets in town which both of them admit is something romantic couples do and 2) M!Corrin outright says Asugi is being romantic when the latter drops that reincarnation line. Real recognizes real.

-Nina, Nina, Nina... The Fujoshi to Unexpectedly Queer pipeline is an extremely entertaining one to read. Her support with Caeldori is meant to be a contrast to Niles' support with Subaki, because while the dads hate each other at first, the daughters hit it off immediately. From Nina though, it's giving schoolgirl crush. And in her support with Soleil, after they had their little Fujoshi vs. Himejoshi arguments, they concede ground to each other, with Nina saying she's interested in fantasizing about two girls for a change. There's also the Hoshido festival of bonds when she's married to M!Corrin where he says "hey, why don't you imagine yourself as a boy when I'm flirting with you" and she starts going haywire, which has a slew of implications, both good and messy, that I'm just awestruck by what IntSys cooked when writing that DLC.

------White Tier------

-As a big fan of this game, I will be the first to admit that a lot of romances are written really weirdly and don't flow properly. Part of this is just the writing itself, while I feel another part of it is just how big the cast is.

The characters in this tier though, not many of the supports, be it with the same gender or not, feel like they could lead anywhere, and I couldn't help but feel part of that was because they were deliberately written to be the youngest of the child units. For the Gen 2 cast, Fates already dials it back by having them usually just be boyfriend/girlfriend (or 'lover' in the JP version) rather than hop right into marriage, but with Kana, Midori and Percy, it feels even more out there writing wise. So to save myself the headache, I put them here.

------Gray Tier------

-The characters here are on a spectrum of "very hetero" to "too few instances to really guage anything."

In their same-gender supports, the crux of their conversations are more about something to do rather than the connection to the other person (Oboro, Hayato, Rinkah, etc.) or they are just... very straight-coded (like actual good friends instead of the "really good friends" stuff) because it doesn't ring the bells in my head (Felicia, Hinata, Odin).

-The beast characters were also hard to figure out because holy shit, these fuckers skew more towards animal than person sometimes and that makes reading romantic supports a wild experience. Like at times Keaton is just a puppy that can speak and I don't know how to apply that to a romantic/sexuality reading.

-Oh, and there's Forrest. He's very gender nonconforming, but pretty exclusively attracted to girls. He just also happens to be very compassionate and soft spoken so combine all those traits, and you got a character that gives off a fruity vibe to a lot of people. Love him dearly, but sometimes people/characters aren't queer, they're just artistic (this goes for Shigure and Hisame too)

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Thank you for reading if you made it this far, I had fun making this!

I'd also like to say that while I'm a fan of making everything gayer and busting down doors for more options (such as the gay mods that exist for this game and Awakening), it's also fun to dive into the nitty gritty on who could easily slip into the queer label by using the text we already have. Really flexes the brain muscles, at least.

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nahte123456 · 1 year ago

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"What a boring job. Still interesting where the bandits had come from." Sora walked into the home he shared with many others, and listened for the voices of who else was in the home. Heading to the voices, he wrapped a arm around Ophelia's waist and gave her a kiss. "Ophelia, Rhajat, Nina, Mitama. I'm back,"

"Hey babe." Ophelia giggled. "Be careful, Nina is slightly drunk." Nina giggled and threw what seemed to be a bunch of marbles lightly at Sora. Rhajat blushed and struggled with Mitama trying to write on her arm.

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endlesssummerslaycation · 7 days ago

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My Favorite Pairings In Fates

This isn't an addition to my blog, but I just really love all of the pairings I do in Fates and I wanted to share them!

Path Neutral pairings:

F!Corrin/Jakob: If I didn't marry my Corrin to Leo all the time (which will never happen), I would marry her to Jakob. I just feel like they have a lot of screen time together in the early game, and it's one of the cuter Corrin romantic support chains. I actually don't really love the Leo/Corrin chain all that much, but I do it anyway because I'm down bad.

Azura/Kaze: I don't care that the stats are dogshit I'm doing it anyway 😭 I just really like the idea of Azura as Midori's mother. She has an affinity for medicine, as shown in Conquest Chapter 12, and the Kaze/Azura support line is literally about her sending medicine to her sick nana. It's so cute. Also, Kaze works really well as Shigure's father. They've both got that calm and collected aura about them. He just gives me "father of 2" energy.

Silas/Mozu: Honest to god, I do this because it's quick and easy, but I actually really love the hair color it gives Sophie. And that's all I do with it.

Hoshido pairings:

Ryoma/Rinkah: Because IS said fuck you to Scarlet. Jokes aside, I feel like these 2 look really cute together, they have similar designs, and I love the idea of Rinkah being the queen of Hoshido. And blonde Shiro reminds me of a frat boy, which I think is hilarious

Hinoka/Subaki: I actually really hate Subaki as a character, I find him really annoying, but I really love the idea of Hinoka being Caeldori's mother. Not only does it give Caeldori her canon red hair, but the supports line up really well, and her and Hinoka will have matching Falcon Knight uniforms!! Caeldori is kind of the only kid I can really see Hinoka having 😭

Sakura/Kaden: I actually had trouble for a long time figuring out who I wanted to ship Sakura with. Nothing ever made sense for her. I used to ship her with Saizo for redhead Asugi, but I just felt like it didn't make sense for her not to have a daughter. But I feel like Selkie is just a perfect child for her! Sakura and Kaden's support revolves around the 2 of them becoming napping buddies, and in the 4Koma, Sakura and Selkie have a panel where they nap together! I know she's not an ideal mother for her, but I don't really care lmao

Saizo/Kagero: I don't WANT to because I'm a child of divorce 😭 but I'm also not shipping Saizo with fucking Setsuna so we're going with this

Azama/Orochi: Once again, I hate Azama with a burning passion, but Orochi has my favorite hair color in the whole game, and this was the only Azama support that didn't have abusive undertones to me and didn't give Mitama the worst hair color of all time, so I went with this

Hinata/Hana: Both Samurai, gives Hisame his canon brown hair, cute support. What more can I say? (he was a punk, she did ballet)

Hayato/Nyx: I hate the age gap so much, and in a typical playthrough I wouldn't do it, but if Hayato wasn't Rhajat's canon dad but Nyx was Rhajat's canon mother, I'd put her with somebody else because it just makes too much sense. I do have somebody else that I like her with tho that I will mention later

I leave Setsuna single because I don't like her lmao (there's a reason I choose Conquest, half of the BR cast is just boring to me)

Nohr pairings:

Xander/Charlotte: I will make a case for just getting Sol from Laslow. I do think that if you wanna put him with somebody else, that is available to you. And I've talked about a similar situation before with doing the SUPERIOR Beruka/Camilla for Camilla Fighter access instead of giving her the overrated Keaton marriage. The difference is that for some bullshit reason, Xander and Laslow do not have a fast support. So, for me, it's like, why not just give him Heartseeker from a fast Leo friendship and give him the Charlotte marriage? I do really love the supports though and I love the idea of Queen Charlotte!!!

Camilla/Niles: This is one of my favorite ships in this entire game. It's a really unique support line, they're both very similar characters, and lavender Nina is the greatest thing in this world. The Nina support with her mother kind of makes the most sense with Camilla, because ONLY she is so desensitized to just not care at all about Nina's obsession with yaoi, but she is also the only one who is so obsessed with Corrin that she would give her yaoi to the army. I also love that the S support doesn't end with a grand proposal or anything, I like that it's just the blossoming buds of a relationship, because it makes the whole support feel like a natural progression, and it never feels in character for Niles to do a big 'ol proposal like in his supports with Felicia. Overall, love these 2

Leo/Nyx: I told you Nyx would be back! If Nyx gave him Wyvern access, this would be the greatest pairing of all time. I absolutely love the supports between these 2, I feel like they just already like each other from the start, and the S support just makes me absolutely melt (with the exception of one line, iykyk). I have a love-hate relationship with the hair color it gives Forrest, but it is very gothic lolita, which I find to be really cute. Adventurer Nyx is also a great backpack for Leo, fwiw)

Elise/Odin: I shipped this BEFORE I knew it made a broken Ophelia. I just feel like a lot of characters are really cruel to Odin for absolutely no reason (see: Corrin), and this was the only support that felt like the both of them really got along well.

Laslow/Selena: OTP. LITERALLY THE OTP. I can't express in words how much I love these 2 together. I actually have a headcanon, since I also pair them together in Awakening, that they were together through the events of that game but broke up midway through because they were young and dumb. And after they've grown up a little more in Nohr, they rekindle their old flames. It makes their Fates A support feel a lot sweeter, I'll tell you that. I love that they have history together, even just as friends saving 2 different worlds, and they have a really fun dynamic of being an incorrigible flirt and a tsundere. I love that she calls him out on his shit in the B support, and it genuinely has a lasting effect on him, I love that by the S support, they're both kind of dodging each other's feelings a little bit, I just love these 2 with all my heart. Also, Selena and Soleil have names that mean Moon and Sun, which I can't NOT pass up, and they also have matching outfits if you do this pairing!! I also ship Virion and Olivia, and there's a line in Virion's support with Frederick where he mentions a "symbol of everlasting friendship", which is also what Laslow initially calls the bracelet he proposes to Selena with. I could keep going but I'll move on now lmao

Peri/Keaton: Unpopular opinion incoming. This is Peri's best support. Because it doesn't unnaturally throw Peri into just going "okay sure I'll stop killing". Keaton goes "hey, maybe be a little choosier but you CAN go hunting with me". Which feels like a natural way to wean her off of killing. I also love Peri and Velouria's supports, she's the only one that specifically mentions the flower she hopes she smells like, and of course Ms. I Love Trash Velouria would love the smell of the corpse flower. Also, Peri, who loves to cook, marries Keaton, who loves to hunt. So I headcanon that they go on hunting trips together and then Peri cooks all of the food they got and they have little feasts!

Beruka/Benny: Two introverts meet. Just what I like to see as a fellow introvert myself. This is one of the sweetest supports I have ever seen. Not much else to add there, I just think they make a lot of sense together

Effie/Arthur: I did it for the fast Percy paralogue

And that's all!! I hope somebody agrees with at least a few of these 😭 the shipping is one of my favorite parts of Awakening and Fates, so I love to talk about what pairings I like! If anybody's interested, I might do an Awakening one too! Don't play it as much, but I've got some diehard ships I'm willing to drown on (I mentioned one in this list)!

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yume2kke · 2 months ago

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If they would make a full HD "echoes" version of FE Fates, and you had a say in the matter, what would you change or keep in the remakes? Can be anything from story, gameplay, visuals, mechanics, classes, character changes or even removing/adding new characters entirely.

ok i had to wait till i was on my work computer to answer this one. ohhh man.

story-

GOD!!! i really really adore some elements of fates writing, especially in the two many paths. i really appreciate both endgames with how they handle the sibling deaths so that im not touching. those middle parts however of all three paths and just the entirety of revelations???? god fix it!!

i think that feral dragon corrin was CRIMINALLY underused in fates and gets more fucking usage in heroes. i always thought it would make sense if not just takumi but also corrin had been controlled by anakos? i think takumis possession in birthright was also pretty sloppy. if hes a spy show me that hes a spy. but anyways i always thought that dragon corrin needed wayyy more plot involvement and i could see it really aiding a revelations rewrite, especially if they stuck with takumi being possessed. you can get rid of ANTHONY and gunters weird ass betrayal he does for no reason and instead it can be both takumi and corrin being used by anakos. maybe anakos really wants to possess corrin fully because anakos lost his human body? maybe corrins body is the only way he can physically leave valla??? also imagine a map with a 'defeat one of the bosses' goal and on either cornered end of the map is possessed takumi and feral dragon corrin ... i think about this all the time.

another writing thing that goes in line with characters AND mechanics-

the awakening trio!!!!!!!!! please god that dlc was so interesting and good and it really makes me wish they had lines in revelations. they couldve been so fucking baller in revelations but i get its hard when theres literally 10 other characters that are more Main Character than they are. they deserved more attention and better fucking writing and care in their supports. also i dont know why they actually would want to return to ylisse.... guys its destroyed and everyone was killed by grimleal and risen i thought..? anyways yeah. i want more awakening trio plot relevance.

why are the awakening kid units there also? i love cordelia/caeldori but i could really really go without asugi/gaius and rhajat/tharja. rhajat is the worst fucking child unit anyways and asugi is gaius but more annoying. i really like caeldori though lmao.

AS FOR MECHANICS!!!!!!

FIX EVERY MAP ON BIRTHRIGHT AND REVELATIONS. why does every revelations map need a gimmick??? why is every late game birthright map just a literal straight shot with no terrain???

mage buff. why is magic so lame in this game? i swear to god the only worthwhile magic user in terms of stat growth and actual usage is leo. i have managed to make mitama into a pretty good dark knight too but magic is sooooo bad in this game.

too many shitty fucking units. im sorry i do always use the siblings and niles (my one and only) but oh my god why do most of the retainers and other gained units aside from the kids suck? like everyones child is just a better unit than themselves. particularly selena, odin, hana, and effie.... and peri..... and kaegero and oboro and hinata and all of them. they deserve better stat growths than this. also rinkah??? why does rinkah suck so bad. her and hayato and arthur are genuinely useless.

my last gameplay gripe is petty but i stand by it. rod shop and staff shop why do you only provide 2-4 of c-a rank robs and staves? are you serious

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