What’s your opinion on people who think 2012 raph is an abusive bully? I think personally they are only children and it shows. People with siblings see this as normal.
I think that people with an opinion on any type of Hamato abuse in the show either haven’t done proper research on the show, they have a rough family life that twists it, or they don’t have siblings.
Since you opened the door for me to get ranty, Imma be a little ranty about more than simple TMNT data.
Now, some people DO have siblings and see this show as abusive, but that’s because of a number of other reasons.
The biggest problem, to me, is the fandom itself.
Let me explain:
You go outside for the first time. When you ask what color the grass is, your entire neighborhood says, “orange.” You accept this as correct, and now you would see all grass as orange. You could hear this for weeks before leaving the neighborhood. At the store, someone tells you, “Actually, it’s green, and here’s why.”
And here you hesitate.
Because wouldn’t that mean your neighbors are wrong? After they all believe it? Everyone says grass is orange. How dare this person say otherwise. You aren’t stupid. You know grass is orange. They’re attacking you and your neighbors. Why would you listen to them?
Likely, you wouldn’t believe them. You’d be more inclined to assume that what you always hear is correct. You would continue to spread what everyone says because it’s what you heard.
This is similar to how people see Mikey. 2012TMNT seasons and certain episodes were hard for me to find when I started looking for the show. Many people rely on the fandom more than show for opinions on it. Negative clips get taken out of context and the favorite moments like Parasitica are blown up until it’s all the fandom can see. I’ve spoken to people who write fanfics about the show, but haven’t seen past the second season.
They rely on the fandom to write, so if the fandom and their friends preaches that Mikey is abused and Raph is the abuser, why would they believe otherwise?
(It’s funny, how Mikey has been ‘abused’ by Raph for years, and yet, he never hesitates to do all of the things that will tick his brother off. He does not waste a moment pushing the buttons of the one person that he ‘fears’ more than anyone else, and turns to his ‘abuser’ before any of his other family members when he’s upset and looking for comfort. Even more interesting, is that the ‘abuser’ will not hesitate to help and comfort the brother that he ‘takes pride in hurting’.)
Everyone who has talked bad about the show has had strings for me to pull at. Not one “Mikey is abused” fan has made a solid argument as to why Mikey feels unloved and unwanted. When they talk about Raph, they often default to- well, Raph is mean to Mikey and that makes him upset. But he doesn’t stand up for himself, so he must be depressed and sad and I’m depressed that my life is bad so if you say he’s not than you’re attacking me. (True story)
It’s exhausting. I don’t like these kind of arguements. Because there’s a different between me saying that a character who is not you and does not share your exact thoughts and feels as well as not knowing the trauma of your home life is not depressed and me saying you are not depressed. Me saying a character is not depressed does not make your feelings any less real.
It just means that the character that I am analyzing from a show that has nothing to do with you in its creation isn’t depressed.
As well as saying that the character that I am analyzing from a show that has nothing to do with you in its creation isn’t abused.
Maybe it isn’t that Mikey doesn’t stand up for himself. (He does.)
Maybe, more often than not, there’s nothing to stand up to.
And, no, I’m not saying you can’t headcanon Mikey as depressed. Or convince the fandom that he’s abused.
I’m saying that if you truly believe that he is, you better be able to give me a cohesive debate and plenty of picture proof that he feels unloved and unwanted or has any depression symptoms laced through the show. And you should also be ready to have me attack that with my own opinion to defend my beliefs.
I have nothing against someone who says Raph is abusive. I’m sure they have their reasons and I’m sympathetic to the trauma and respect whatever reasoning that they give.
I respect them and their right to opinion. I have nothing against that person. I’m not against any person.
I’m against, to quote 2018Leon, “Everything you stand for.”
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Based on @boots-with-the-fur-club’s “No Fun in Fungus” fic series
EAT. FEAST.
FOR I HAVE DEVOURED.
PS thank you for breaking my art block
Based off of this part in particular...
"How are you doing this!?" Raph pulls at the chain around him. Mikey wraps more chains around his arms, glowing yellow pooling in his eyes and down his face in tears. "Stop it! You're not leaving! I don't care if you want out of this family! W-We're going to work out our problems and nobody is going anywhere!" "Mikey, none of us want to leave the family! It's the hallucinations!" Donnie insists.
"H-How do I know that!? Leo and Raph fought so much just because they couldn't understand each other! L-Leo was just going to let himself die! None of you can promise me that you won't leave!" "Mikey-" "No! W-We're all going to apologize! I-I'm sorry for being so annoying.....-I'm sorry I can't use my arms a lot yet. I'm sorry you think I hate you Raphie!" He shuts his eyes, making more tears spill out.
Raph's jaw drops. Mikey only calls him Raphie nowadays when he wants something especially badly and his puppy dog eyes weren't working. When they were younger, that's all he called him.
I desperately want to sketch out this entire scene
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A small scene I jotted down today between Mikey and Raph that immediately made me think of my friend @brightlotusmoon
“Stay away!”
The voice was so sharp, so toxic that Raph didn’t even recognize it at first. That kind of tone never came out of his little brother.
“Mikey, it’s me.”
“I said stay back!” Mikey scrambled up, pressing himself against the wall. “I dunno what I can do. What I might do.”
“Okay, so how about I just hang out until you figure it out.” Raph kept his voice low, even keel. Not normally something he was good at but he knew all these signs: the clenched fists, the tight voice, the way any little noise made your eye twitch.
He’d just never seen it in his brother.
“Talk to me, Mikey.”
“Talk? About what? About the fact those animals didn’t deserve any of that? That what right did the Foot have to do that? That my head is gonna explode and I need…I need to…to…I dunno!”
“Hit something? Run? Break anything? Drive their skulls into the dirt?”
Tears in his eyes, Miley nodded. “All of it.”
“That’s anger. You’re angry, Mikey.”
“This is what you call your superpower? This is what makes you so strong?”
“I guess, in a way…”
“If this is that, I don’t want it. Make it go away. Make it stop! I don’t like what it’s doing to me! I don’t like the kind of person it’s making me!”
Raph took a breath. “Only you can get rid of it, Mikey.”
“Then help me!” His tears cracked then, streaming down his face and his voice broke, all kinds of fear coming out in soft whimpers. “Please…”
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