#rogue of mind classpect

[scourgeofshadows]

PFFT! I forgor about these too

[cgtg]

MIND PLAYERZ ONLY

as with the prev polls: if you consider multiple, i suggest going for the one u feel aligned with currently/most often, which one u wanna represent in a poll like this, whichever has the most compelling role/narrative, whatever works for U. classpecting is very subjective, and fluid for a lot of people.

i actively encourage discussion in the notes or my inbox of what your class and aspect mean to u. simple or lengthy, i wanna hear it :J

excluding master classes bc no space for em, sorry.

for those who cant vote: i’d appreciate u passing the poll along. also, i’ll post updates throughout the week on how it’s going so everyone can have a peek inside. thank u

[starlit1daydream]

Thieves & Rogues: Inundation and Redistribution

A day late, I'm aware; turning 18 will do that to a girl. I'm now older, and definitely not wiser.

The Thieves & Rogues are another contentious group; particularly the Thieves for various discourse-generating reasons - but the Rogues have their pitfalls and fall victim to mischaracterisation a lot more than you'd assume.

The Thief:Rogue dichotomy embodies inundation, redistribution and possession. It's the authority over who gets to hold their Aspect for themselves; whether it's them or somebody else, that's what being a Redistribution Class is about.

There's often some insecurity about their capacity to hold it in play as well - and they tend to use a lot of their opposite Aspect's forces; after all, what do you get when you take something but the absence of it, and therefore its opposite?

Canonical Thief players are Vriska Serket (Thief of Light) and Meenah Peixes (Thief of Life).

Canonical Rogue players are Roxy Lalonde (Rogue of Void), Nepeta Leijon (Rogue of Heart), and my arch-nemesis Rufioh Nitram (Rogue of Breath).

Point A - the narrative function of the Thief.

The Thief is the one with active distribution of their Aspect; and therefore the one liable to actively steal it. This, on paper, sounds pretty nasty - there's a reason why Thieves are lumped in with the nebulously 'bad' classes; but it's a neutral role with possible applications in either sense.

They often hold a deep-seated obsession with their Aspect; they think it's something that's out to get them and conflate an excess of it with an absence. Their perceived lack of it motivates them to hoard it, as much as possible.

Vriska Serket, the Thief of Light, is contentious for a damn good reason. Imbued with ungodly plot armour and fortune's favour, she seizes control of the narrative by force, all the while bemoaning her unlucky streak & employing the most unsubtle methods of manipulation she can think to use.

Meenah Peixes, the Thief of Life... does not understand the consequences of her actions; period. She thinks Life is out to get her, exacts every bit of free will she has out of spite and cultivates discourse and stagnation to try and encourage character development. (Oh, yeah, she also... kills people. Like, a lot.)

Their opposite Aspects are, therefore, pretty prevalent! By taking away their Aspect; they leave the inverse behind.

Vriska stealing Light leaves Void. Meenah stealing Life leaves Doom.

Often, it's almost as if they're using their inverse to cultivate their actual Aspect; Vriska uses offscreen events to justify onscreen developments - it's how she 'takes luck'. Meenah uses suffering and control in order to encourage growth - it's how she 'takes life'.

They care very little for their Aspect at the centre of it all, despite their perceived obsession; they don't seem to understand the value of it at all. That's the interesting part, I feel.

Point B, the practical function of the Thief.

Now, taking the Aspect is a very powerful ability in the right hands. We don't just see Vriska metaphorically rob fortune, she literally steals luck from her enemies mid-fight and utilises chance and possibility in order to get the upper hand.

Meenah takes 'taking life' about as seriously as you can get - not only does she really like killing people, but as the Condesce everything she did resulted in stagnation and decay in her wake as she robbed the worlds she ruled of the ability to develop; using control and hegemony to cultivate development and failing miserably.

The opposing Aspect, again, plays a prominent role! Vriska forgoes certainty and manipulates the absence of a definitive outcome to play around with luck. Meenah forgoes development and enacts control on the people beneath her to play around with change.

Point C, the narrative function of the Rogue.

I'm gonna use the Thief's concluding point as the jumpoff point for the Rogues; whereas the Thief devalues their Aspect, the Rogue puts too much stock in its importance. Their Aspect is too important to them; and so their relationship with it differs.

Passive classes tend to act without realising it, and the Rogues are no different - I'd argue their presence often leads to their Aspect being taken in a way they don't realise they're doing.

Roxy Lalonde, Rogue of Void, is desperate for attention, and yet obfuscates knowledge, is isolated from all society and would rather get drunk at the start of her arc than face the truth of her situation. I'd argue that she downplays her own importance as a person in the face of her friends' catastrophic communication failures. By being around, she takes the Void from her session and opens up ways to communicate whilst learning to give irrelevance to things.

Nepeta Leijon, Rogue of Heart, puts people into boxes. She makes them into little cariacatures on her walls, plays matchmaker in her stories; and yet she's also one of the most emotionally mature and genuine trolls in the story - she wears her Heart on her sleeve, and doesn't deny it. By being around, she takes the Heart from her friends by way of drawing out truer selves, as we see in her relationship with the insecure & disingenuous Equius.

Rufioh Nitram, Rogue of Breath, takes people's sense of purpose and direction and makes their agency depend on his presence in their life. He does Damara and Horuss dirty time and time again, and yet they can't cut him off because he's made himself too important. And yet there he is, spineless, giving away his own free will because he holds no security in his selfhood. He's trapping people in relationships without realising. I also want to drop an anvil on his head.

The common thread, despite the differing situations, is the indirect usage of the opposing Aspect to passively take away the true Aspect and the character development involving a realisation of their Aspect's value and the importance of keeping it for oneself. Roxy is the only Rogue whose development we see in full, unfortunately; but there's snippets with Nepeta and Rufioh Nitram changing isn't happening any time soon.

Point D, then. The practical function of the Rogue.

Once again, Roxy is our only point of reference by virtue of being the only God-Tiered Rogue; but luckily, she also gives us some really good demonstrations. Roxy literally takes the nonexistence away from something, bringing it into existence.

Inversely, she's capable of giving Void to herself, cloaking herself and by extension her whole session in a veil of invisibility. She's controlling the distribution of Void, letting it both be taken and given; after making her peace with the distribution of it.

So, the common thread is the central question of 'who gets to have my Aspect?'

A Thief would tell you 'me', and a Rogue would tell you 'anyone else'. That's what I feel separates them, and yet don't let that convince you that Thieves are bad and Rogues are good; look at Rufioh. A Thief may take for altruistic reasons, and a Rogue may give away for... not so altruistic reasons!

Get creative with it, that's what I say. How about a Thief of Doom who takes on everyone else's suffering because they're self-sacrificial to a fault? ...Okay, actually, that's my idea, don't take that one.

Anyhow, next week I'll be concluding the 'normal' classes with the Maids and Sylphs! Should be fun, I'll see you then - hopefully on time, too.

[doogieverse]

Sonic Classpects <3

I designed them to be a twelve player session because I thought that was more fun :-) I didn't necessarily keep gender specific classes/aspects in mind. Do, however, keep in mind that classpects aren't always a one-to-one with characters' personalities. Sometimes, they're roles that they have to come into, or accept.

Also, if anyone draws them in their godtier outfits I will be eternally grateful. Sonic: Heir of Hope Sonic is a symbol of hope; whether he realizes it or not, his actions carry weight. That means that although overall he inspires a positive change— bringing hope to others— if he makes a mistake, it brings despair instead. In this regard, Sonic is hope personified.

Tails: Mage of Light Tails uses knowledge as a weapon, sometimes to his detriment. He's often given seemingly impossible quests, with not much time to complete them. You could argue that he's cursed to be the brains in a team full of brawns. That being said, he seeks out knowledge like a moth drawn to a flame; he lives off of it.

Knuckles: Knight of Rage Knuckles's entire purpose is to protect and serve, both his friends and Angel Island. However, rather than being a level-headed knight archetype, Knuckles is a hot-headed warrior, thinking with his fists, rather than his brain. This leads him to have a bit of an anger problem, which he uses to mask his insecurities. This can also bring rage to those around him.

Amy: Sylph of Heart Amy is self-absorbed, only in the sense that she believes that what is in her heart is always right. Apart from that, she looks to heal the heavy hearts of those around her, even animals and complete strangers. She is caring and giving at her best, and volatile and clingy at her worst.

Metal Sonic: Page of Doom Metal Sonic was built to be a harbinger of doom, and continues to do so of his own volition. He has great potential, but is held back by his own insecurities— which can mean he was programmed with limitations, or that he has a more human side that conflicts with his programming. Because of this, he becomes doomed himself, in an infinite cycle of being destroyed and rebuilt.

Shadow: Prince of Blood Shadow is driven by his bonds, whether it's to his friends or enemies, and those in the past or those in the future. He uses these relationships as excuses to wreak havoc. Therefore, he can be seen as selfish, whether his cause is noble or not. In truth, Shadow is more stubborn than anything. Because he defines himself by his relationships, he is often misunderstood, especially by himself.

Rouge: Thief of Space Rouge is incredibly patient and adaptable, traits that are imparative for a jewel thief. Her passion is taking things for herself, which may be egocentric by nature, but she is known to have good intentions. She is naturally confident when it comes to her abilities, and isn't above using her feminine charm to accomplish her goals.

Blaze: Maid of Mind Blaze is calm and collected, weighing the multitude of options before acting. She also has this effect on others as well, getting them to see her reasoning. She is often rigid, as she's used to making the tough decisions, and carries that burden with responsibility. However, hardships can cause her to act out of character, being paralyzed by choice, or leaving her fiery temper to take over.

Silver: Witch of Time. Silver has been known to manipulate time, both figuratively and literally. While he can time travel with ease, he also has an unwillingness to take things as they are. That being said, he also has a tendency to end up in difficult and dreary situations. He's constantly stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Vector: Rogue of Breath Vector may be a detective, but he doesn't play by the book. He lives as he pleases, being able to slip into the role of leader, bodyguard, comedic relief, etc. However, this can make him hard to pin down. As a detective, he takes others' autonomy by bringing them to justice. This not only helps feed him and his partners, but it also keeps the streets clean.

Espio: Bard of Void Espio is a stealthy character, at first glance. With his ability to become invisible, he's able to stealthily gain the upper hand on his opponent. However, he also has the innate desire to show off; he's cool and he wants others to know it, even if he acts nonchalant about it. In both ways he destroys void: either by filling it or filling its role.

Charmy: Seer of Life Charmy is the charisma and joy of Team Chaotix. He wants to bring life to his friends by being upbeat and having fun. Though he may be a naïve child, he's still attuned to others' feelings, and desires to empower them best he can. He isn't always great at it, sometimes coming off as annoying and overeager instead.

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[escaped-nepeta]

Peridot (Steven Universe) is a Rogue of Mind.

Aspect on this one is just obvious. Logic and rationality with a potential for cold callousness? Plus she's green??? Mind. Duh.

I'm more flexible on Class, but I think Rogue fits quite well. Rogue's arcs are specifically about fighting the status quo and changing society. Nepeta is the most anti-casteist troll, and Roxy is actively anti-Condence specifically because of what she did to Earth.

Peridot starts off her journey as the relatively mid-caste role of technician. She follows Yellow Diamond because she believes she is a being of pure logic and rationality, but turns on her when presented with evidence to the contrary. She goes on to be one of the most gung-ho members of the Crystal gems.

The Diamonds are stuck in their self-important identities and mired in their emotions (overabundance of Heart), and have created a system that allows them to continue the status quo. Peridot is intent on changing the system to align with the facts of reality.

So there!

[aortaobservatory]

Rogue of Mind

A Rogue of Mind values the thoughts and actions of others so much that they give away their own in an attempt to let others figure it out. They use and protect their authentic personality, which forces others to think for them. This means they often act on their own without thinking of the consequences, trusting the minds of others to be a safety net for them.

[our-fav-hs-char]

Which is the cooler aspect?

[rubyharleylalonde]

some combos for headcanons <3 gold star to anyone who can guess who these are for

herbalist of truth (seer+sylph of life+rage)

puppeteer of dysfunction (witch+maid of void+mind)

mother of loyalty (knight+maid of heart+hope)

cleric of pride (knight+sylph of heart+breath)

overlord of dedication (prince+page of time+blood)

gatekeeper of apathy (prince+seer of heart+void)

beacon of prosperity (rogue+heir of light+hope)

supernova of grudges (prince+heir of time+rage)

repenter of liberty (mage+maid of breath+light)

warlock of stagnancy (prince+witch of light+void)

all designed by @/superxstarzz!

[giftofclasspects]

Hey, if you aren't too busy (and sorry if you are), could you maybe see how my this session would go? Sorry if its' long. Prospit Seer of Void, Prospit Knight of Rage, Prospit Page of Heart, Prospit Knight of Mind, Derse Witch of Time, Derse Witch of Space, Derse Rogue of Light, and a Derse Heir of Hope.

(the session is supposed to be rather glitchy, too)

Thanks!

mod jade and i went INSANE over this session we dig it a lot

starting off with individuals before i type out the doubles

the seer is going to be the first one to notice something's wrong with this session. they'll probably have visions of horror terrors and warning signs that this session is gonna be uber fucked.

the page is going to work as an anchor for this group.

the rogue will have no clue how to succeed in this session. they'll probably be close to the seer as well. they're most likely going to assume that this session is futile. HOWEVER, the heir can definitely be of help to them

NOW, this is where we get insane

the witches were very notable to us cause these two are PROBABLY WHY THE SESSION IS GOING TO BE SO GLITCHY!!!! the witch of time is going to focus on "we need to survive, we need to do this, we need to do that," and the witch of space is going to be more focused towards

the witch of time might have a prophecy that one of the witches must die. this leads to them trying to avoid this prophecy, but eventually, it's going to probably end up in the other witch dying.

the knight of mind will probably be close to the witch of space. the witch of space wants them to chill a bit, which might work, it might not. they're going to kind of mirror the seer!!!! they know something is wrong, so they'll be putting their heads together to figure out the glitching and find a solution. but the knight is definitely more concerned than the seer would be.

okay the page and heir are going to be VERY significant players to the game. the page is going to be a bit loud, a bit obnoxious, but they serve a PURPOSE to this game, they just need to find the outlet for this purpose.

the knight of rage would TRY to deny their rage, and try to stay happy throughout this session, but they can't push down their rage for long. their rage would be used as a tool throughout this session. the knight WILL challenge the heir, but this will lead to the heir's development (john egbert style)

we liked this session a LOT this is just too good. there's so much theme going on here so if it's on purpose hats off to you!??!?!

[tavtiers]

Alright then! How about classpecting the album "A Kiss for the Whole World" by Enter Shikari? (Though you already did two songs from it, i'm curious about the rest.)

This album proved difficult to classpect because every aspect dichotomy seemed to exist within it throughout the various songs. There's Space/Time in mentions of death and rebirth, Void/Light in truth versus lies, Breath/Blood in freedom and community, Life/Doom in overcoming oppressive misfortune, Mind/Heart in hypnotism and a lack of identity, and finally Hope/Rage in optimism and a willingness to fight back.

The overarching story appears to be one of pushing back against an oppressive, negative reality through optimism and perseverance. Positive emotion defines the protagonist's identity and allows them to break free from imprisonment in a blaze of glory. On the other side of things, this character is desperate. They feel they do not know who they are and may be forever trapped by situations out of their control. Halfway through the album they appear to suffer a significant crisis of identity.

The overall instrumental sound of the album is one of desperate triumph. It is joyous and chaotic.

Taking all of the above into account, I've decided that the protagonist of the album is likely a Rogue of Hope that becomes a Knight of Rage. Either they were meant to be a Rogue of Hope and inverted into a Knight of Rage during a moment of crisis, or, as most classpects do, they were destined to be a Knight of Rage and simply began their journey as their inverse.

At the start of the story, the main character comes across as an optimistic rebel, fighting for good against all odds. This is very much in line with the Rogue class, which steals their aspect with the goal of helping others. Likewise, they are fiery and driven by their positive emotions, with emphasis on concepts like: rebirth, truth, joyful community, and triumph. These concepts on their own come across as separate aspects, but together are Hope.

Halfway through the album, the story takes a darker shift, focusing on mental manipulation, despair, and fighting back even at the loss of your own identity. This to me rings of inversion, where the character is either discovering their true path or choosing to take a new one due to necessity. Their crisis is one of Heart/Mind, identity versus introspection. However, the character themself is not a Heart or Mind player. Rather, it seems the Heart/Mind within them is being influenced by an outside source. The antagonist of the story, the enemy that has put them in the situation they're fighting against, may be a Lord of Mind.

During this crisis of identity, the protagonist begins to act as a Knight of Rage. Throwing aside the mantle of the reckless rebel, they are instead the determined warrior, ready to make personal sacrifices to change the system they are trapped in. Again the themes of other aspects arise, this time coalescing to form the Rage aspect. Rebirth now means inversion into a new self, truth is rebellion against lies, freedom comes from violently breaking out of their chains, and a will to overcome is driven by their anger at injustice.

The story of this album could also be viewed as a Homestuck Sburb campaign, with the Rogue/Knight as the leader and the Lord of Mind the final boss, a Lord English equivalent. In this case, the Rogue/Knight would likely be in a romantic relationship with a Breath/Blood player, possibly a Maid of Blood. The Maid of Blood would specifically be the subject of the song "Dead Wood" and would be the character supplying the Breath themes in songs like "Leap into the Lightning".

Hope this helps! I will post the classpect card for the album shortly.

[farrvl]

A few facts about Silva:

Silva saved Fereyl when she was young (in her larva form)

she looked after the Fereyl during the session

she's pretty chatty

[starlit1daydream]

Introduction to my Classpecting Ideas

This felt like a good idea for something to put out before I put my Knight & Page analysis out there, since I plan on making this a 6 part series. (Potentially 7 if demand for a Lord/Muse addendum is high enough).

So, I'll be laying out my most important philosophies on the subject here for future reference.

Classpecting is...

Point A. Classpecting is malleable.

There is not one rigid, set definition for any Class pair, or any Aspect pairing. The freedom of the author is that they may assign any symbolism to a concept that they may like.

What I mean by this is that people often seem to think that manifestations of an Aspect within Homestuck's narrative paint that object or idea as a concept inherently tied to that Aspect.

Example: Pumpkins & Void. You would not believe the amount of people in the early fandom who swore by the idea that pumpkins were inherently just Void constructs because of their role in Homestuck's narrative.

No? Pumpkins symbolise Void in Homestuck itself and Homestuck itself only only due to a running gag inherent to Homestuck itself.

Anything, with enough narrative basis and existing thematic ties, can serve to symbolise an Aspect. Furthermore, two different authors may have different ideas of what Aspect something represents.

Some authors may see alcohol, for example, as a Void-bound concept owing to its obfuscation of fair judgement. Some may see it as a Light-bound concept owing to the idea of 'in vino veritas' and the tendency of drunkenness to induce truthful confessions. Some may see it as a Life-bound concept owing to its associations with hedonism and impulsive behaviour.

With enough narrative consistence, anything is possible. Homestuck's narrative is not as rigid of a point of reference as some people would swear by it being. This is deeply important.

Point B. Classpecting is not the whole of a character.

I can't exactly phrase this in a satisfactory manner, but... a Classpect is not a personality type in of itself. An individual being a Prince of Heart does not instantly make them Dirk Strider. It merely means that their core value is identity & selfhood, and they interact with it by destroying it. It is that simple!

I see, time and time again, Classpecting blogs acting as if a Classpect is indicative of a character's whole personality and giving guides as to the exact behaviours & quirks a character with that Classpect should have.

I am imploring you to explore wider possibilities when it comes to this. Even if it means sharing a title with a canon character! It doesn't mean you have to just rewrite that canon character because that's not how Classpecting works.

I've seen fanventure characters share titles with canon characters. (Sovereignstuck's Annomi Errata & Dynama Zarrow sharing titles with Dirk & Porrim respectively, and Porrim herself is also a player in that narrative, mind you!)

I've seen fanventure characters share titles with eachother. (Vast Error's Dismas Mersiv is a Rogue of Mind. One of my fantrolls is also a Rogue of Mind!)

In every instance, they are fundamentally different people. I cannot put it any simpler than this.

Point C. Classpecting is always applicable.

That is the perfection of the Classpecting system. You can give a title to any character, from anything ever made. It's not even that difficult if you're half-decent at media analysis!

Quite literally all you need to do is ask yourself two questions.

"What's this character's core value?" and "How do they interact with that?" Do that, and you've got yourself a Classpect.

That's the beauty of it! It's obviously not going to be as airtight as a story that has the Classpecting system baked directly into the narrative, but it's still going to work out!

Hell, do it to yourself! Do it to your friends! The world's your oyster. You can do anything you want, forever, for the rest of time. I'm a Seer of Life! My best friend is a Page of Blood! My mother is a Witch of Hope! Go wild.

Post formatting

For my Classpecting posts, I'll aim to give two related definitions for every Class.

Definition A is the narrative function, what the Class says about the person and how they interact with their Aspect as an abstract concept.

Definition B is the practical function, what the Class says about their role in the session and how they interact with their Aspect as a SBURB construct.

Therefore, we get an idea of both the abstract, personal definition of a Classpect, and the functional, game application of a Classpect.

I'll also aim to give about two or three examples for each individual title about how you could write a character with them, since there are always going to be multiple directions you can take with a Classpect.

Conclusion

tl;dr - what I'm trying to say is this. Classpecting is malleable, easily applicable & capable of saying any number of things, and my posts will aim to give two concise definitions of both narrative and practical function for every title.

I'll get the Knight:Page analysis done either today or tomorrow, and the rest of the Class posts will be staggered releases in order of poll results. Thus, the order is going to be:

Knights & Pages, Deficiency and Exploitation.

Mages & Seers, Experience and Comprehension.

Witches & Heirs, Adherence and Manipulation.

Princes & Bards, Instability and Destruction.

Thieves & Rogues, Inundation and Redistribution.

Maids & Sylphs, Maintenance and Generation.

And, potentially...

7. Lords & Muses, Absolution and Dominion.

And then, subsequently, the order for the Aspect posts, which I've decided based on relevance to the canon, roughly speaking anyways...

Space & Time, Genesis and Terminus.

Breath & Blood, Fluidity and Stability.

Light & Void, Potential and Simplicity.

Heart & Mind, Instinct and Dialectics.

Life & Doom, Progress and Stagnation.

Hope & Rage, Conviction and Iconoclasm.

I look forward to the next post. Until then, take care.

[moodtiers]

Stimboard for a Rogue of Mind with old tech. - CT

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657/1000

some digital ones i made too.

[ask-the-witch-of-mind]

Hi! Could you do a session analysis for my friends and I?

Knight of Hope (Prospit)

Rogue of Void (Derse)

Page of Space (Derse)

Heir of Mind (Prospit)

Bard of Heart (Derse)

Witch of Light (Prospit)

(You can replace the Witch with a Seer of Time if it's absolutely needed for the session to be successful, that classpect also works. Otherwise, how fucked are we anyway?)

Thank you!

h0ly shit 8O!!

i personally have a bit of theory that a session can go WITHOUT a time player BUT, everything else in the session would have to go perfect. (or at least good enough-)

i believe out of some of my research on the knight of hope that they can create weapons based on hope and/or religion. also with some in-cannon examples, knights are shown to either not think of their aspect as "useful" or just completely ignore their aspect.

the rogue of void is quite useful! as we see in-cannon, roxy can take things from nothing (eg: the orb that kanaya got from slicing her lusus, i forgot its name) which saves the trolls from extinction. chances are the rogue on your team can get almost anything.

the witch of light can manipulate things related to light, like fortune, luck and knowledge. they could possibly enhance your team's luck and what-not. witches of light are also very active in their session, like taking out the derse royalty, keeping their team's luck high and killing imps.

pages of space are actually quite powerful (believe it or not) pages of space can hand over their space powers for a temporary amount of time. if the page of space is persuaded to the side of evil or they give their powers to the wrong person, the session could perhaps scratch. (especially if the session had a witch of time who isn't exactly the best person) pages of space can teleport their team across vast distances of land, create objects for other to use and of course their also on genesis frog duty.

the heir of mind would inspire logic and rationality in those around them, proctecting others from trickery and embodying mind. they tend to brag a bit about being a mind player (and just about their intelligence in general) they'll probably always have a plan for something, whether that be for some random sidequest or the entire session. (another thing id like to mention is that they like pranking, not really important but i think its nice)

bards of heart have the ability to manipulate people using their emotions, leading people to completely destroy their sense of self, warping their perception on who and who isnt an enemy. theu could possibly change someone so much that when they die, it's labelled as a "just death" instead of a heroic death.

id say you and team would be fineeeeee 8P