#sams ship discourse

[thatonegoldenfreddyfan]

Hold on chat im trying to catch up on everything going on in the SaMs community as to avoid any more fire 😭

So, Solar is not? Canonically? considered brothers with the rest of the DCA right?? I mean I’ll always see him as their brother, but what about canon? I cant tell bro

As for Lunar and Earth, they are still siblings correct? Same for Sun and Moon?? And are all four of them still considered related??

Eclipse, what about him? Is he still their brother?

Oh, and Bloodmoon too. Who is HE considered as related too

The last time I checked in this fandom, the rule was that if theyre a DCA, theyre a sibling. Bear with me here

[brsb4hls]

Ok, but if you wanna circle that Siken quote around, maybe post the whole thing?

The second part is the important one.

Also, for those who still can't seperate fiction from reality and are obvi already pestering him, because he dared to name that ship:

[neversam]

Guys can someone please tell me how to differentiate between the ships of Original Mei Shijima and Wonder Mei Shijima?!? 😭😭

I CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE ANYMORE PLEASE A MEI SHIJIMA EXPERT HELP

you’d think i know this since my blog is themed after her but noooo my brain is a little slow 💜

[fineline-b]

i usually stay quiet because i don’t like to engage in fandoms of any kind anymore, but the things i’ve been shown from iwtv twitter is concerning. idk what assad/armand fans think they’re trying to achieve by disrespecting jacob, delainey, sam, and the rest of the cast by saying armand is the sole reason anyone watches this show and that he’s the best actor on the show etc, but yall are not doing yourselves any favors. this is not tvd. this is not the cw. using assad for agenda shipping purposes because you hate sam/lestat, and reducing louis to an object or a prize to be won, and trying to knock louis/jacob out of his lead position on a show where he is the best/most nuanced written gay BLACK male character in history is disgusting and so extremely disrespectful to jacob who is literally the cutest/kindest human being ever.

this show is a team effort. everyone involved with iwtv are master class actors, writers, set designers, etc and when it comes to acting—to credit one actor for the show’s success is very off putting. (especially when you take into account delainey had only two weeks to prepare for claudia and gave the performance of a lifetime.) there are many who do not engage with this fandom because of takes like this and all this will do is put people off assad/armand which is the last thing anyone needs. cast members of color and characters of color should not be pit against each other on the ONLY show on tv right now that allows them to be great.

[gaysimp614]

I enjoy Wincest the fics are interesting and very well written however I do not genuinely legitimately ship it I ship Destiel and when I watch Wincest shippers hate on Castiel or Misha I think wtf that's a wonderful character and a terrific actor when I see them saying that Destiel is a dumb ship that's way less cannon I think at least the two ship characters aren't canonically disgusted by the ship and what is with them and their shipping superiority that I see so much it pisses me off

"Ooh look at me I'm so edgy cause I ship two brothers"

PS:While I ship Destiel I love and adore any other ships and those who ship them

[threalcrabbysamantha]

I’m very ship and let ship, largely because, well, it really doesn’t matter all that much what ships people like, and on top of that, I think shipping is really personal and often says more about what YOU desire about of connection (romantic or not) than anything else.

And yet it DOES baffle me when people ship a canon pair that has just a terribly written romance. Like just soooo poorly done. And then they don’t go around being like “this ship deserved better and I engage in discourse and fan work about this pair that fleshes out their romance.” No, instead they’re like “I ship these two because their romance is amazing 10/10 no notes.” When even just like cursory critical analysis of the text would tell you that it is NOT well-written romance or character work.

It’s just so strange to me. Like there are plenty of ships I love that got screwed over by the writing, and I still love those ships - but I’m not under the delusion that those romances are super well written. Spuffy comes to mind here especially because while I love them, let’s be honest, Joss Whedon was actively sabotaging anything real between them and it shows in the writing.

It just makes me wonder what kind of relationships those kind of ride-or-die-my-ship-is-textually-perfect-despite-overwhelming-evidence-to-the-contrary kind of shippers have in their lives. Or maybe it’s not about that at all. Maybe these kinds of shippers are equally as blinded by everything they like, and they’ve fallen into the classic thought trap that the things you like have to be perfect to keep yourself morally pure.

[haley-harrison]

tbh the main cause of shipping wars is that jackles is too good at his job. Man has convincing chemistry with most of his coworkers, so depending on which scenes you focus on, you can gather a convincing argument for your ship of choice.

like if you look just at the first three seasons, j2 have such insane chemistry you have to be blind not to notice. (case in point, even my mother, who is otherwise a normal 62-y-o was like 'well that's not a normal brother relationship'). add the lack of significant alternative options, and it's clear why the early days had so many wincest shippers. Like, duh. You see two hot guys who look at each other with adoration (and lip-licking), brain's gonna ship. Fiction isn't reality anyway.

However, then comes s4. Now, I think Misha is awesome and funny and great, and obviously he and Jensen hit it off. Enough that it shows on screen. That said, the script was still written as Kripke intended, which is that Sam and Dean are obsessed with each other.

Because it's a fact, that Kripke read Siken's Crush, and also On the Road, and wrote Sam and Dean very much under that influence. And if you read either of those, you know they're about gay lovers.

So. There's a conflict between the script (which is samdean coded), and the acting (where jenmish actually gets more and more intense with time).

And the thing is, both sides of the fandom have solid 'evidence' on why their ship is (practically) canon. And it sucks to see people actually fight and insult each other.

I am a multishipper: I have an OTP but I see the appeal of other pairings and occasionally read those too. And I wish we could all see that plurality of opinions is good. Fiction is meant to be discussed, there isn't one correct answer.

At the end of the day, we're here to have fun with this trash show (affectionate), so maybe let's do that without judging?

[reallyunluckyrunaway]

Destiel is the best ship... (scientific evidence).

Listen, I don't make the rules... I just work here.

[1seaweedbrain1]

why do i gotta explain how the ship could be canon for it to be legitimate???? sabriel doesnt work in canon at all. birdflash being canon would fuck up several plot arcs and ongoing relationships. maybe theyre not canon material MAYBE I JUST WANNA HAVE FUN

[ria-coolgirl]

Hey lost boys fandom I have a question!

Question:I just noticed that some people are shipping Sam and Alan together and I just want to know why you guys ship them together, because I kind of don’t see it.

Please explain to me!

[jasprboi]

Just saw sastiel hate on twitter.. I think thats my sign to take a break…

[thesunoficaruss]

I think it's very funny when there's fandom drama because I just watch from afar. I am just here for hot men and religious imagery.

[superunnaturalsammy]

Man everyday I get on this app and see so much discourse... Maybe everyone just blocks people that post stuff they don't like. Then we get back to posting about things we love instead of things we hate... No. You aren't gonna do that. You like fighting... and ruining everything... Right should have guessed.

[finalgirlsamwinchester]

yknow what. spn may be an awful behemoth of a fandom generating nuclear levels of rancid discourse. but it'll never be as personally awful as spending my formative years fighting in the trenches of batfamily discourse

[coulsonlives]

I feel like I just blocked half the Supernatural fandom lol.

[mzkora]

Shipping Connections

Earlier I was thinking about some of my ships in various fandoms as I do (I am a fangirl after all). And I realized that there are a lot of thematic similarities between Wincest and Gallavich.

For those that don’t know: Wincest is an incest ship featuring the two main characters from Supernatural who are brothers. Gallavich is comparatively simpler as it’s just two unrelated gay dudes (Ian Gallagher and Mickey Mickovich) from the US version of a show called Shameless.

Before we dive into the similarities here are some major differences:

Wincest, as stated above, is an incest ship whereas Gallavich is not.

Shameless was a drama-comedy while Supernatural, as the name implies, was a supernatural horror/adventure drama.

Gallavich is 100% indisputably canon, and the most popular ship in the fandom. They are on-again/off-again for numerous seasons before ending up married. Wincest on the other hand is either canonical or not depending on who you ask and depending on what the parameters are for being considered ‘together’. They are at the very least codependent life partners/brothers.

Now onto the similarities:

Both ships have a notable height difference between the couples (about four inches for each oddly enough.)

The taller one in the relationship (Ian and Sam) is often painted as the more reasonable/normal/down to earth one in the relationship while the shorter one (Dean and Mickey) is more feral/violent/comfortable with being outside of societal norms.

The shorter ones (Dean and Mickey) are also the most openly emotional ones in their respective couples. Prone to confess their feelings after aggressive outbursts and in dire/intense situations, while being more casual otherwise. They are also the more blatantly sexual/open about sex. For Mickey and Ian this is less true as they were canon and the show was more frank about depicting their sex lives. But in a broad sense, once Mickey was out as a gay man, he was often the one to directly talk about sex.

Meanwhile, the taller ones (Sam and Ian) both go through mental health arcs and are revealed to be just as sexually aggressive/blatant as their partners if not more so in the case of Sam. These two both struggle with their need for and emotional dependency on their partners before gradually coming to accept their feelings. They both have ‘going straight’/living normal lives arcs, college in Sam’s case and the military in Ian’s.

Both pairs go through breakup arcs and reconciliation arcs. They all have complicated family dynamics with messy childhoods. They are all criminals. There is lots of pining and violence.

I don’t know how coherent this is, but I had to write it down and share it. Does anyone else ship both of these couples? I’d be interested to hear what other similarities and differences there are between them. Let’s chat about it if y’all want.