#stoliz critical

[spopsalt]

Helluva Boss please PLEASE move on from the "Soft sad UwU gay abuser is sad because his victim doesn't love him" we don't care! Wasn't this show supposed to be about demons running an assassination business? Can we go back to that?? I don't care about this gay soap opera!

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Defending Blitzo In Apology Tour

I disagree with giving any pity to that damn bird, but I agree that Blitzo is getting too much hate for standing up for himself after being put through bs by that pos.

[murderluv23]

Genuinely wish every time Stolas and Blitz are onscreen together, that Moxxie and Millie just hog up the image like a badly copy and pasted edit until the moment passes.

[cujokroggo]

So I just wanted to clarify that just because Blitz has exes, and they all hate him, does not mean he was in the wrong for all those relationships. Do people not realize a lot of those people probably abused HIM?

For example Stolas, who manipulated Blitz constantly and coerced him into a deal he didn't consent to. He went to this party out of spite, which he knows they have every year. Who's to say that Blitz' exes aren't abusive to him and are partying, not to "get over trauma" but to get over the fact that Blitz chose better.

We do not know the story of all those relationships. It could be a pretty big chance that Blitz was the one being abused, seeing as Stolas got away with it in regards to the plot.

[asorua44]

Change my mind (you can't😊)

[dgoldhunter]

This makes me sad

Thinking about it, I don't think we will see Verosika for a while, or maybe ever. She already "fulfilled" her role, "forgiving" Blitz, being used as a tool to justify Stolas and basically just being an accessory to boost the narrative of that awful relationship.

She will be tossed to the irrelevant category; I was keeping with HB for her. I was eagerly waiting for the second half of season two for her, and now that her episode dropped, "her" episode was centered around Stolas, how hurt he is, how Blitz is a POS for hurting birb, while her conflict, her resentment and bitterness was resolved in less than five minutes.

Like I know I'm not the only was who missed her A LOT. I think many were waiting for her return. And now? Now that everything is "good" with her, I don't think Viv will have any interest in developing her further if it hasn't relation with her toxic, forced and fetishized gay relationship between the fucking owl and Blitz.

I hope I'm wrong, but this seems like a possibility more than just a guess. I mean, Octavia is only used as a narrative device to keep justifying her horrible father, making him seem like a poor, tortured soul who is doing his best, despite clearly forgetting about her for his gay lust.

Verosika not only deserved better, she deserves a better show and better writing. AND HER SONGS DESERVE TO BE FULLY RELEASED INSTEAD OF BEING SHORT FRAGMENTS IN THE SHOW.

[xjulixred45x]

I love how Stolas says " do you feel any kind of remorse for what you do? have you ever even apologized once in your life " but when have we seen HIM apologizing for the shitty things he's done? For cheating on Stella, neglecting Octavia, & sexually objectifying Blitzø. & We're supposed to feel sympathy for this guy?

That's definitely the worst, not only do they want us to believe that "they are both equally guilty" but they only make BLITZ (SA's victim) look bad even by making MERCHANDISE DEDICATED TO HATING HIM.

And Stolas' shitty speech is definitely ironic, Blitz is better than him in MANY areas, Blitz would NEVER neglect Loona for going after Stolas, EVER. and Blitz has genuinely repented and APOLOGIZED for things in the past (like Fizz, for example, apart from the fact that before Stolas kicked him out of the house he TRIED TO APOLOGIZE).

and meanwhile, Stolas not only acknowledges what a shithole he is but doesn't repent or apologize, but he COMPLETELY IGNORES other aspects of his life that DESERVE AN APOLOGY, like, I don't know, Octavia?? What does it have to do with how her father prefers his "lover" over her??

Or even Stella?? WHO THEY ALSO MARRIED AS A CHILD AND WHO HAD THE SAME TYPE OF MISERABLE LIFE BUT IT'S INSIGNIFICANT TO HIM BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN?

Even servants that he treats like stress toys! How do you want me to feel empathy for this garbage of a living being Viv?!

Stolas HAS to be reprimanded for HIS ACTIONS, and stop being woobified. period.

[poisonheiress]

To start this lovely commentary, I will place my cards out in the open:

Blitzo is not the villain in his and Stolas' relationship nor is Stolas the victim in this realtionship either.

To some, this statement is a recognizable fact, one the canon caste system even supports. However, many of the current fanbase seems to disagree with this idea, comparing Blitzo to abusive characters like Stella, Crimson, and even Mammon. Others even put him on the same level as those previous characters. Besides this being one of the greater leaps of logic I've seen come out of this fandom, it is simply not true.

Yes, Blitzo does not treat Stolas kindly outside of their sexual agreement with Blitzo appearing to outright ignore him most of the time if not purposefully avoiding him. However, notice the wording I used there: sexual agreement.

Stolas and Blitzo have never been in an official romantic relationship and their current agreement is not one Blitzo entered in on equal footing with Stolas nor out of affection for him. Blitzo agreed to be with Stolas as a means of survival for his business, somethings that is extremely rare for imps to have due to their caste position.

Time and time again we are poorly shown that a rather strict caste system does exist in hell. This means that relationships with people in different castes carry different problems and consequences for those involved.

For those in higher ranking castes in a high-lower rank relationship, the worst outcome of being with a lower ranking demon appears as a diminished social standing and lack of respect, but the lower ranking partner doesn't get that. For the lower ranking demon of the relationship, they risk dehumanization by their partner with them loosing all autonomy and independence. They are no longer themselves; they become an extension of their higher ranking partner, an object that can be tossed away if the partner

Blitzo, who was raised in this system and still suffers under it, is right to fear stepping into a relationship with Stolas, and he has more than a right to refuse to be kind and gentle to a being that is literally hanging his livelihood over his head for sexual favors.

It does not matter if Stolas truly cares about him or not. Their relationship from Day 1 was not something Blitzo could walk away freely from nor even wanted to be in. In physical, social, and economical might, Stolas holds all the cards in their relationship, and nothing Blitzo can do can change that. Stolas could kill Blitzo and no one would turn an eye because he is an imp and Stolas is a Prince.

As a result, Blitzo has no obligation to be kind to someone who is a high ranking member in the system that views him as equal to dirt nor can Stolas be upset about Blitzo doing such when their relationship was born from Stolas taking advantage of Blitzo in a vulnerable situation.

Stolas is no victim here, and if Viv had researched caste systems, the true victim of the relationship would be clearer: Blitzo.

Because at the end of the day, Blitzo remains under Stolas' thumb, an unwilling subject to whatever tasks or desires Stolas forces on him. That is all the caste system of hell allows him to be.

[liloskull343]

I just hate the fact this screenshot acts like Stolizs is such a 'developed' 'amazing' ship with amazing writing!

When it's not, stolizs legitimately is the bane of my existence, it's so poorly written and it's toxic as hell.

These two should NOT be in a relationship, they both are going through shit and it's clear that they aren't healthy for each other.

Stolas is well not mentally in the right headspace for Blitz, he's badly hanging onto the one childhood moment they had together. He's desperately holding onto a broken relationship that makes him miserable.

And Blitz well, if you've seen the show you know very well how most of his relationships are and about him pushing people away. It's clear he feels like an object to Stolas, he dealing with depression and is only with Stolas due to needing the book.

They both have problems and do not need to date each other, because if anything their relationship has made them way worse, as well as messed with their mental health.

Stolas needs to at least try handling his divorce problem in private and away from Octavia. If he can't date Stella, he needs to at least try finding a heather relationship and a healthier parent for Octavia's sake at least.

Blitz needs to try getting therapy, he shouldn't try getting into any relationship until he's fully sure he's mentally prepared for it.

[daystarvoyage]

LORD I CAN HEAR THE FAN GIRLS/BOYS SCREAMING (tbh I want Nuggets)

Oh and new video about my adventure in cosplay

[spopsalt]

"If Blitzo really didn't want to have sex with Stolas, he can just get a different job!"

Uhhh excuse me? No this is an actual defense people have. Do you have any idea how hard it is to "just" get a new job? Especially after starting your own business?? Also, people forget that again, this is literal Blitzo's business, with employees, so it wouldn't just be him out of a job, it would be Moxxie, Millie, AND his DAUGHTER Loona! So no, he can't "just" get a new job.

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Ngl, Striker/Blitzo is infinitely better than the canon Stolitz even before I stopped using other art sites for Stritzo content. (Rabid canon stans kill the mood even on artists just making chill content) In Striker’s debut episode, I stg it seemed like Striker was genuinely trying to get Blitzo out of his abusive situation yet Blitzo was too brainwashed? At first, Blitzo seemed a lil more happy/comfortable around the cowboy sharpshooter who allowed him play with his horse/s and stuff. And that was before Striker’s plan to assassinate Stolas was revealed then Blitzo is torn between freeing himself from his abuser or continue being stuck under the evil prince just to feel “safe”.

And we Stritzo shippers are way more civilized than Stolitz shippers. You know there’s a problem when Fanon/AU shippers are typically more mature than canon shippers who’d rather attack on sight at the tiniest offense or “threat” towards their “precious ship”.

Striker would def not coerce Blitzo into uncomfortable (sexual) situations for more stuff/perks. The snake eyed demon would also teach the imp how to properly fight and defend himself, not just shoot/kill.

Here’s a lil AU idea, a young Blitzo meets a young Striker for shooting lessons (pre-IMP days). Striker catches feelings for the amusing Blitz and allows the latter to pet his horse Bombproof who grows on him and allows the red imp to ride him aside from his master.

If Striker drops by to visit his husband and their adopted daughter Loona at the IMP HQ, Millie and Moxxie would def be surprised that the “cruel” Striker married their “goofy” boss.

I’m going to be nice just to try not to piss off the Stolitz stans so there’ll be no hard bashing here and no Yandere!Stolas trying to destroy Blitzo’s life and killing the imp’s competition for rejecting him. In this AU, Stolas may not have sexually coerced Blitz in the first place but is rather a more openly bitter prince who’s unhappy with a lot of things yet has a reputation to keep up with. The owl demon prince actually gets very jealous of anyone with an interesting and entertaining romantic relationship (regardless if they’re a demon, human or even angel couple) since it seemed that his and Stella’s relationship is deteriorating. His wife is the one actually taking care of Octavia the best she could even if Via has grown up. Despite Stella’s screeching at times, she does have a point about Stolas for not being attentive to their only child like he once was during Via’s childhood. While Stolas and Stella were technically in an arranged marriage, it’s no excuse to neglect his daughter.

Striker/Blitzo for life!

This. If stolas wasn't the designated love interest it would be about striker making him wake up and realize stolas is shit.

[melody-pearl]

If you had to write Helluva Boss, what would you change?

Get ready for a long ass rant. I’m actually planning on doing a full rewrite of Helluva and Hazbin with redesigns as well. But the major things I would change for Helluva are:

Blitzos and Stolas’ relationship: How they met will be the same as “The Circus” but they actually form a bond. Like, Blitzo is bored from being forced hanging out with Stolas by Paimon but after Stolas shows him his interest for pirates, he immediately becomes interested and they talk and play pirates like little kids do and Stolas falls for him even more. Then after they met again in the timeskip, instead of Stolas getting sexual and Blitzo SA’ing him, Stolas tries talking with Blitzo and telling him how much he missed him and even confesses his love for Blitzo but notices that he is trying to steal the Grimore and decides to make a deal with him that Blitzo could have the Grimore but meets Stolas once a month on the full moon to give the book back and just hang out. They do eventually fuck after a while but they actually both consent. While Stolas actually loves Blitzo, Blitzo wasn’t interested at first but as they continue their relationship, he actually starts slowly gains feelings for Stolas, but due to trust issues and his dark past, he tries to hide it.

Striker: He is going to remain mostly the same, but there are some changes I want to add. First off, he doesn’t make fun of Moxxie for not having much physical advantage like he did in the introduction episode, in fact, he actually gets along with him and relates to him. And second, his plan for stopping the Goetia family and bring equal rights to all creatures of hell will remain, but he won’t be presented as the bad guy, more of a gray area at first, then he realizes that Stolas isn’t like the rest of the Goetias and regrets trying to kill him before.

Millie: As shown in the show, shes just violent and loves Moxxie to death. While that’s great and all, there needs to be more outside of her relationship with her husband. In my version, she very overprotective of those she loves, violent, loves her husband to death, has family issues, sibling rivalry, especially with Sallie May, secretly has self confidence issues, sometimes speaks unclearly due to her verbal problems, on the autistic spectrum, has severe anger issues, and hates being alone. Also, the reason why she hated Chaz so much was because he has secretly cheated on her multiple times and all Millie wanted was someone to truly love her.

Blitzos relationship with Moxxie: It’s mostly the same, but Blitzo doesn’t call Moxxie the r-slur, isn’t ableist towards him, doesn’t SA him, doesn’t threaten to rape him, and actually treats Moxxie better after the events of “Truth Seekers” and even forms a good, healthy bond with him.

Sallie May: I think she’s cool and all but I wished that she had more character since she was merchandised so much. In my rewrite, she’s actually going to be shown as an actual character. She’s going to be shown as confident, high mighty, has a sibling rivalry with Millie but she cares for her and even killed for Millie before.

Stella and Octavia: For Stella, she won’t be shown as a complete antagonist. Stella was arranged to marry Stolas since they were children but she wasn’t a complete monster, though she had anger issues. Stella actually cares for him and Stolas and Stella actually had a pretty good, healthy relationship before he cheated on her. She was heartbroken after that and the reason why she hired Striker to kill Stolas was because the family manipulated her too. For Octavia, everything’s the same, except that in my rewrite, she doesn’t completely forgive Stolas but she doesn’t hate him and Stolas actually improves as a father and he and Octavia slowly start to have a good father daughter relationship again. I know that was a lot. I like to rant so if you want me to share my ideas for my Hazbin rewrite, expect more of my rants.

[ameliadraws135]

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[as8bakwthesage]

I adore Stoliz so much as a couple, especially in season 1 where it’s clear that they both used each other and are working through a lot of baggage but actually really like each other.

Like, Blitz used Stolas for his book and Stolas in turn used Blitz for better sex, only for the two of them to eventually come to the conclusion that they both like each other and season 1 ended on a GREAT NOTE because it was clear to the both of them that they needed to get shit figured out.

Both Blitz and Stolas didn’t communicate and they have baggage about previous relationships and as a result misunderstood each other during the finale of season 1.

They had so much potential to work through their problems and slowly become better people to each other and you could see that Blitz was actually starting to care about Stolas and vice versa! And that season 2 would have been so much better.

But then what we got in season 2 shat all over that and made them childhood friends and oh my god episode 2 of season 2 also just sucked as well. Season 2 has not been a good character exploration of any of the characters.

Also Adam Neylan is a hack and his writing is all over the place WHY DID SPINDLEHORSE HIRE HIM.

[dgoldhunter]

I'm so done...

Don't get me wrong, I loved many things about apology tour (mainly Verosika) but I was hoping this to be the break from the drama of Stolitz instead of a continuation of it. And thought I loved Verosika and her final interactions with Blitz... it felt a little... I dunno.. not logical? (not her interactions, but most of the episode)

Stolas and Blitz relationship is a whole can of worms on its own, but I'm on the team that Stolas was forcing Blitz, like I mean in the pilot of HB it showed how uncomfortable Blitz was with him, and in the very first episode how he was forced to it since he was in a very dire situation (and Stolas knew about it, since he is seeing it developing in real time throught his bubbles)... (and I mean, the pilot face says it all)

But back on track...

So my questions, how Verosika knew about their break up? All of it happened between Stolas home, not even in public, and I don't think Stolas posted it on social media... also Why is she treating him so nicely and touchy? I mean on Ozzies, the bouncer showed reverence when he saw Stolas and let him in alongside Blitz.

I could see her treating him with more respect, or asking him if its alright to hug him or something because of his royal status, or at least refer to him as "your highness" (and in Stolas fashion he would be like "Oh don't need to be so formal but eh... anyway). Sure, they are in a more casual and comfortable environment, but even then, there are some manners expected when approaching a royal. If you are going to disregard his status, then why have a ladder with the different races and their social hierarchy? I get it was to show how sweet Verosika was really, but there could be a ton of approaches to this (and it wasn't hard to tell, since she was only mean to Blitz and has been speculated since her first appearance she is really nice and lovely once you get to know her).

And talking about approaches, this episode could be PERFECT to explore more about Blitz and Verosika. Yes, they talked at the end and we get to hear that the shitshow Blitz pulled on Verosika was after she told him she loved him (and she admitted she was embarrassed since it was the first time she felt that way). Put Stolas on the sidelines for a little while, and focus on these two. Maybe not a hearfelt talk for the whole episode, but making Blitz realize that before he could apologize to Stolas, he needed to work on himself first and foremost(because his apology to him was very forced as well). I think their talk came too quickly, and even then, why talk? Why Blitz would ask Stolas for forgiveness? In his eyes on Full Moon, Stolas was using him and he ended their contract, so he snapped (rightfully so, he first forced him and now is tossing him aside).

Or hell, make it about Blitzo and his past relationships including her, how he fucked up every single one of them, knowing about more about how he meet them, how he fucked up in every single one of them, make him feel remorse since the beginning, not to just feel remorse at the end just because he couldn't get the uwu bird back. (In one episode of "The mentalist" TLDR: Doc Dungan, a football star, is told to the media to be dead when in fact he is alive. He gets to watch what people really think of him, including his ex wife, and gradually this was the wake up call he needed to stop being a self-centered asshole, more things of the episode of course, but i liked this take, now that Blitz was in a somewhat similar situation of him not being dead but having the opportunity to see and hear his exs opinions, honest opinions, about him, not just the hate part).

And... putting all this behind, WTF with Verosika's psycho break with the cake? Her voice completly changed and it feel... odd. Sure, she is not fan of Blitz, and everytime he showed up, she showed the contempt and the bitterness towards him. So this change of personality of hers stabbing the cake with so much malicious intent felt really odd coming from her. Like, following HB logic (ugh, and there isn't much), this outburst is more like how Stella would react to a Stolas cake, seeing her cartoonish hate towards him and how she treats him. Verosika never had that type of "hate" towards Blitzo. In Spring Broken aside from the fight on the parking lot, she was ignoring him, until he came to challenge her. And in Ozzies was a coincidence both of them were there at the same time, and she took the opportunity when it presented to diss on him.

So her acting like a maniac vengeful ex who wants him dead seems a non logical change (and if she wanted him dead, like the scene implied, she has the resources to ask for a hitman). I get the cake was there as pettiness symbol. But still pettiness is different from hate. And then revert that change that on was during 2/4 of the episode (the manical laughter also set me off).

At the end it was showed that she still cares for him in a way (showed in the lasts bits of the episode)... so? I would also expect that kind of murderous rage from people with absolute hate and bitterness (again, like how they are depicting Stella, damn, Stella acted the same way when discussing Stolas death if I recall and in other situations when Stolas was almost hurt).

I don't think she was acting to make him feel welcome (because Stolas looked uncomfortable when she started to act that way, and I get many exes would have those feelings towards him, but... ) and she definitely wasn't drunk, even if she have been drinking since the start of the party, it think at this point, she has a very high tolerance, so she would need a lot more to get drunk.

So yea, I loved Verosika and her return, but I expected an episode centered around her (like spring broken was) instead of shifting the focus again to stolas and blitz, who have been the main focus since the beginning of season 2. If Verosika knew about the whole shit Stolas pulled, I don't think she would have invited him to the party, since the exes part means a consesual relationship, something that Blitz and Stolas thing wasn't. Hell, I think if she could, she would have called him out (again, yes, she hates Blitz, but she still cares, I don't think she would have liked to know how his ex was raped repeatedly) since now its shown that his royal status is bleh.

So yeah, the episode felt like a excuse to comfort Stolas, still make Blitz the bad guy, give Stolas the thumbs up and comfort while Blitz rots in self hate. Verosika being the tool to comfort the poor uwu bird.

Uf, this was a long rant, and even if you don't agree, that's fine. I'm just a guy who loves Verosika Mayday... but is already tired of the writing that pushes this couple at the center of all of it.