#syscouse

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

So don't post to syscourse? Idk. If you don't want to engage don't post to a tag literally meant for engagement. It's not just YOUR blog when you throw crap into communities. You even admitted you didn't understand the terms and then mocked me for telling you to research what you're talking about?

Wild. Anyways, you'll keep getting engagement and push-back if you post to the engagement and push-back tag. Leaving the tags out will literally fix your problem.

just because i post some silly syscourse doesn't mean i actually care about having to argue with people!! if u don't like what i post on MY blog then block me!! it's free ^_^ get a life or smth idk

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

Compare your plurality to your queerness, alterhumanity, kin, neurodivergence, and anything else because you are allowed to make comparison about your own experiences. You are not being ridiculous or stupid in talking about your own experiences in a way that makes sense to you.

[shitty-proendo-blackout-posts]

you are an ant.

[femmemonster]

fuuuck

[pro-endo-because]

im pro endo because syscouse is stupid and you should love everyone and being rude does nothing for the community :)

[PT: Radqueers and anti-endos do not interact!]

[sophieinwonderland]

Syscousers really should know that whatever I have said about sysmeds, my opinions of conservatives are far worse.

[bassguitarinablackt-shirt]

So- you said you won’t post your syscourse publicly, which is so real, syscouse is scary

But can I assume, since you’ve followed my blog, which very clearly states an explicit stance on syscourse, you wouldn’t be on the opposite side?

(I’m keeping this anon and vague so if you answer yes or no it wouldn’t make it clear to most people of your stance<3 because I understand keeping that private)

first of all thank you for keeping this anon, syscourse is scary and i largely want no part in it so i respect you protecting my privacy here. second of all my syscourse stance is a bit complicated and if im being honest i do sometimes follow people with different syscourse stances from me but yes i largely have the same syscourse stance as you. i would never follow someone with the exact opposite syscourse stance as me/anyone who has me in their dni

[atlas-the-idiot-2]

Me when hypocrites.

Pls brothers I'm so fuckin tired of syscouse and the invasion of others tags just bc you're talking abt them. Pls. Y'all are ALLL hypocrites, please be normal no matter your stance. Don't tag as plurality/plural/pluralpunk if you're anti endo. Don't tag as anti endo/endos dni if you're pro endo. STOP BEING STUPID I BEG!!! IDC ABT YOUR STANCES!!!! THERE ARE PROPPER TAGS FOR YOU TO DISCUSS W/ THE OTHER SIDE THAT YOU ARE NOT USING!!!!

[oopsallsyscourse]

Ok, call me when there's interesting syscouse to be had, I'm out

[sysmedsaresexist]

Have you seen that both sides of syscouse have been tagging paranoia inducing stuff to trigger each other maliciously and excusing it by saying they're "just pissing the other side off" and "not trying to hurt their side" 😭

They tag it in a way that filters don't pick it up. It's really disconcerting as someone with paranoia problems :(

Excuse me WHAT

A lot of this recent stuff is happening in tags that I don't frequent, please tell me you're trolling

If this is true, that's disgusting, what the actual fuck is wrong with everyone

[lifeafterpsychiatry]

Hey I didn't know you engaged with any syscouse. Have you seen the grooming allegations against Unwelcome Ozian? A lot of people have been silent

https://www.tumblr.com/justforratkings/752950591639207936/to-anyone-who-sees-this-please-be-understanding-as?source=share

https://www.tumblr.com/justforratkings/753098868326023168/unwelcome-ozian-decided-to-address-the-situation?source=share

No I haven't, and I don't get into that kind of drama unless I know and follow the person being targeted

[frostssys]

> Frostssys <

DID system

20+

Congenetive disability. Queer. 🌙 Primarily run by Frost, Amber, and Fir. Focused on system experiences

Syscouse abound. Beware.

[gloomy-gores-world]

About the Blog Owner

[PT: About the blog owner]

I'm not giving my real name out*. However you can call me Emerald, Ephemeral, Kieran, Stardust, or Gloomy.

I am Genderfluid. My pronouns are any pronouns. However I prefer He/They along with the neopronouns Xe/It/Vamp/Rot/Dem.

All I know about my Romantic orientation and sexuality are that I'm not 100% straight, and I'm probably somewhere on the Aroace Spectrum.

I'm Not Telling my exact age publicly. However if you must know a range, I'm 18+/ an adult.

I'm also the owner of @cadaver-catastrophe. (my art blog)

Don't DM me as I only want IRL's and a few other select people in my DMS. You'll be blocked if you don't respect that.

If you want to be Moots and you're 18 or older of course we can. But if you're under 18, I'd rather not be moots for personal reasons.

I may occasionally reblog 18+ topics and opinions. They will be tagged with both Emerald after dark, and "tw *insert topic" or "cw *insert topic*".

Block the tag #emerald after dark if you're uncomfortable/a minor.

For everything else here's the tagging System

Under the read more is my opinions and stances on things. I'd Highly recommend reading these.

My opinions on ___?

[PT: my opinions on ___?]

I Support /Agree With:

Palestine

Selfshipers/ X reader Fics

Furries

Alterhumans, Therians, Otherkin, Etc.

Informed Self Diagnosis

Anti-Harrasment

Anti-Doxxing

Anti-Censorship

I am Against/Hate/Disagree With (you will be blocked):

Classism

Ableism

Homophobia (including Aro, Ace, Bi, etc)

Transphobia/Terfs/TransMeds

Nazis

Racists/White supremacists

Misogynists/Alpha Males

Bigots

Radqueers

NPD/BPD/Bipolar/etc. Abuse Believers

Anti-Selfship

Proship/ComShip/Anti-Anti

Nuanced Areas, and my stances on them (q&a style)

[PT: Nuanced Areas, and my stances (q&a style)]

Q: What are your stances on Lesboys, Multigender, Etc?

A: I'm Rad-Inclus, A great post explaining it is This post by Inuette!

Q: "Stances on Syscouse?"

A: I do not have DID or OSDD so I am not going to involve myself or say anything on the matter. Due to the fact It is not my place to say anything. However I will not stop either side from interacting with me.

Q: "Stances on ___ Discourse? Your Stance on the ___ drama?"

A: My prior sentiment of "I'm not apart of the affected group so it's not my place to say definites" also applies to other discourse matters I am not a part of or affected by. However, there are a few exceptions such as If it is a case of Sexual Assault, Abuse, or other allegations of similar severity. In which I will always take the side of the victim until proven otherwise in these cases.

Q: "Do you agree with the idea of separation of art from the artist?"

A: My answer to that is complex. To me as long as the artist can not profit from your interaction and you consume it critically it's completely fine to consume.

However if the artist is alive and can benefit from your consumption it's different and depends on a few things.

First off Anyone confirmed/convicted of Abuse, Rape, Pedophilia, Zoophilia, Necrophilia, those who believe/support Extreme levels of Bigotry, etc. I believe it's best to cut all interaction with their art. As it's highly likely they can profit from any interaction with it.

However if it's cheating, or other things that are bad but not as bad as things stated above. I believe you should attempt to limit your interactions with their art and limit your consumption of it. Making sure that when you consume their art you do it critically. And trying to not buy merch and similar items. But if you do don't buy it directly, but second hand.

[miffybnuy]

i feel like we will forever hate syscourse which is why we cant make system friends in system servers because the mods harass us for our syscouse views. not that we consider them offensive, its just the fact they dont agree with them. idk. makes us really mad that people care more about like. syscourse than the actual act of supporting other systems. syscourse is NOT important and never will be. the outside world will never care about syscourse and its only an online thing. it will stay that way too - nene

[sophieinwonderland]

You know, @sysmedsaresexist and I never did get to face off in the Syscourse bracket.

I'm pretty sure that had it not been for literal mass voter fraud in round 2 (my opponent's partner confessed to making 50+ accounts to make fake votes,) and maybe being disqualified for some reason (honestly it's very unclear and confusing why I wasn't added back to the bracket after the cheating came out,) I would have made it to the final round.

But I genuinely have no idea who would have won that final battle.

So here we find ourselves with a new poll in a new place. A faceoff foretold and years in the making!

No, this isn't the same battleground. We do not battle for the title of Greatest Syscouser!

But we battle nonetheless! Not for the Crown, but for the Badge!

Attention: After Talking to Another Real System, I've Come to Believe That the Endo Community is Being Infiltrated and Controlled by CIA Operatives

I need everyone to be aware and be vigilant because the threat is real. The endogenic community was invented to divide us and keep us distracted.

Having combed over several big potential CIA operatives, I've narrowed the field down to four possibilities. Remember that any or all of these could be CIA operatives, but I'm certain at least one has to be.

Possible CIA plants

@guardianssystem: This system claims to be a pro-endo "traumagenic" system as a way to give themselves authority. They have activity across multiple websites including TikTok and X. They're notable for compiling this document of "sources" to prove endos exist. This document is everywhere. It has suspiciously become the main compilation of endo sources that they love to link to at every turn.

@cambriancrew: They're a tulpa "system" who runs r/tulpas. For anyone who doesn't know, "tulpamancy" is essentially a form of brainwashing. Tulpamancers say they can change a person's brain to give them headmates, and they've convinced multiple "doctors" to back them. All of this sounds like MK Ultra stuff. Cambrian Crew, besides being an outspoken endo, appears to be well connected, and used those connections to help organize an AMA on r/tulpas. In this AMA, their CIA-paid doctors claimed to have conducted brain scans on tulpamancers that showed changes in brain activity when their tulpas were possessing limbs.

@sysmedsaresexist: A nefarious saboteur, Sysmedsaresexist posed as a prominent anti-endo voice for YEARS, building up a massive anti endo following on this site. Between their SysmedsAreSexist and JustAnotherSyscourse blogs, they practically single-handedly ran the "#shit endos say" tag dedicated to mocking endos. But then all of a sudden, they turn? And like CambrianCrew, SysmedsAreSexist appears to have a close relationship to "doctors," posting a screenshot of an email from Colin Ross, an expert in DID, that appears to support the existence of endogenic systems. All of this looks like a years-long psyop to gain people's trust and convert them.

@sophieinwonderland: Finally, that brings us to Sophie, another tulpa "system." She also has her own page filled with endo "sources" though not as detailed or widely disseminated as Guardians'. The more I looked into this one, the more disturbed I became. Sophie is, as far as I can tell, the system who started "The Future is Plural," the mass movement which we all know seeks to traumatize children en masse and give them dissociative disorders. She also openly brags about teaching people methods to dissociate and hallucinate, says that she believes she can rewire people's brains, and cheerfully is arguing in favor of propaganda.

Please, whatever you do, do not engage with these people. Not only to avoid harassing them, but because if they are indeed CIA operatives, it may not be safe to do so directly. I may be putting myself at risk just by talking about this aloud, and I believe they're already trying to discredit me, but I feel someone has to talk about this.

Community input in finding the spies is incredibly important.

Knowing all of the facts, I'd like to know who you all think is most likely a CIA operative.

[justanothersyscourse]

can you do a debunk on these sources? https://at.tumblr.com/debunkingsystemscringe/mind-if-i-can-get-some-pro-endo-research-from-you/yihxbmcgdly4

I've already debunked all of these, but sure, I can do it again, let's see if @debunkingsystemscringe will actually respond this time

So, the carrd

The card is extremely bad, it's misquoting an incredibly important paper by Ross. His was the first to acknowledge that not just abuse caused DID, but trauma. I hate seeing this one used by endos because it was a MASSIVE step for DID systems, and it's being misused and misquoted here.

"These individuals often did not report abuse history and often reported experiencing little psychopathology."

This was one of the first papers to look at functional multiplicity as a treatment path and "smaller" trauma as a cause. It's not meant for endogenics.

"About 2% of people may be natural multiples who do not have dysfunctional posttraumatic MPD. They may simply have a highly dissociative psychic organization’ (Ross, 1991, p. 510)."

This was a theory that was debunked with the idea of trauma as a cause, and "highly dissociative psychic organization" doesn't mean "alters". I don't even think that's the correct quote, which is hilarious.

What's funny here, is that they're not actually quoting Ross, because his paper doesn't say that shit. They're quoting a college dissertation by McClure, quoting Ross, because you have to double twist it in order to make it work.

McClure's paper also doesn't imply anything about endogenic systems. Here's my debunk on her and Ross.

Next: Transgender Mental Health

I've talked about this one before, and how it's being touted as more important than it is. It's actually a really good book! I support this book and the stuff in it. But a lot of people are blowing it way out of proportion.

First, it has one chapter on "plurals" and how to treat them for gender related issues. Cool. That's true, it happened. I support the book.

However, it's not supported or endorsed by the APA, it wasn't published by them -- it's an independent book and everything in it is the opinion of the author. Same with the next paper by Isler. Like, it's useless, it means nothing. It doesn't talk about how or why, it says, "these people say they exist and it's going to make treatment harder because of the intricacies." That's it. Still a good book, check it out.

Next: Tulpas and Mental Health (it’s a PDF, be careful opening on phones)

I’m trying to find my full debunk on this. Jacob Isler is a practicing tulpamancer and has done some REALLY shady stuff-- Reddit has basically turned on him and disowned him and all of his work. As soon as I find the sources, I’ll add. Just give me a bit.

Alright, we’re going to have to redo it, here we do.

Jacob Isler has a severe nonresponse bias. Survey sent to 365 people and only 68 got back? That’s too small. Negligible read. The entire paper is about how tulpamancers are mentally ill in other ways, and that creating a tulpa has a positive impact on their mental health. Fine and dandy. It discusses how those mental health issues might play a huge role in the tulpamancy phenomon, but purposefully tries to twist the connection between the two to be unrelated on a pathological level. It also states: “Additionally, self-reported data gathered through online surveys, regardless of the care taken to ensure objectivity and accuracy, is bound to be influenced by biases and misconceptions. And, of course, the observational nature of this study means that causality cannot be proven. The intent of this paper is not to provide definitive assertions on the psychology of tulpamancy. Rather, the purpose is to accentuate outstanding associations and suggest further research into them.“

It’s basically admitting it’s own failure as an unreliable paper and simply calls for more research.

As for reddit disowning Isler: Isler is Fordaplot. Here’s the ban note from the mods

Next: Multiplicity: An Explorative Interview

We all know how much I love this useless article. Here’s my debunk. It’s based on 6 people only, admits it’s limited by not being able to verify their claims of functionality to make the point of the article, and then goes on to claim that online spaces for multiples are harmful, doesn’t discuss how and why, and only discusses the fact that they claim to exist and calls for more research, so. Kind of useless.

As for the cultural exclusion in the DSM and ICD, it’s specifically in regards to religious practices in cultures that someone has been raised in. As per the DSM, the difference between DID and these forms of “non-pathological possession trances” is that the non-pathological possession is short-term and occurs in specific cultural and religious ceremonies-- which is the opposite of what endogenics are experiencing (long-term, occurring continuously and not only in ceremonies (which they are not participating in to begin with)). It’s not excluding these experiences because they’re “endogenic”, it’s excluding them because it’s not plurality as we (endos and DID systems) describe it. Claiming that exception is for endogenics is hugely disrespectful to the clinicians and researchers who put an absurd amount of work into keeping religious experiences out of the DSM.

It’s just not for you.