#teen wolf movie is NOT CANON!!! I REFUSE!!

[toastybugguy]

in my head, Eli is just Derek and Braeden’s adopted son, maybe they rescue him from another pack who knows do ur thing, and everything is fine and good and they’re together and Derek is still whipped as hell for his badass wife

[raybyanothername]

There is exactly one thing from the Teen Wolf movie I plan to acknowledge. Derek and Stiles named their kid Eli.

[reidiot]

the teen wolf movie isn't canon btw

[lovelucybradford]

WHAT IS THIS I HEAR ABOUT DEAD DEREK HALE?!!!

First Bellamy, now Derek… I stg if they kill Tim off I’m never becoming invested in a tv show again.

My sad bois deserve SO much better.

[softboiidiaz]

it’s been three whole days since the tw movie and I still do not accept it as canon….I view it as a fanfic turned movie and I stand by that bc like for what reason would that do that ???? 🤨

[princeescaluswords]

Lol @ the people saying you're "bringing race into fandom". Transports me right back to 11th grade English when our teacher (instead of sacrificing us to the Nemeton) tried to teach us about analyzing race in popular media texts like Disney movies, and everyone in the class (bar myself and like 3 other people who had brains) started going on about how the critics she was having us read/watch were "bringing race into it". Like come on. This is grade school level theory. Read a book, people.

You want to know how I know that race is involved in the Sterek fandom?

Isaac Lahey.

(Before anyone gets upset, I appreciate Isaac's character as much as I appreciate Derek's and Stiles's characters, which is quite a bit.)

Let's review. Isaac is indeed abused and terrorized by his father, the same way Scott is abused and terrorized by Peter. Isaac threatens Stiles and bullies Stiles and Jackson far more than Scott "mistreats" Stiles and Jackson. He makes fun of Stiles and refuses to listen to him. Isaac resists Derek's teaching, to the point that Derek hurts him to teach him a lesson (the same way Derek hurts Scott to teach him a lesson). Isaac dates a hunter, Allison, and follows her through the woods and sneaks into her house. Isaac learns from Alan Deaton. Isaac refuses to be a part of the Hale Pack, like Scott does, but unlike Scott, he originally agreed to take the Bite and join the pack. In the end, he leaves Beacon Hills with Chris Argent, an actual hunter without a single word to either his alpha or his former-alpha.

So where the hell are all the Bad Friend Isaac stories?

I mean, if the nearly two-thousand tagged Bad Friend Scott Stories and the ten times as many stories that write Scott as a Bad Friend but don't label it are a result of Scott's on-screen behavior, then shouldn't there be at least a thousand stories that deal with Isaac in the same way? I would confidently estimate that there are less than a hundred. I can say with less confidence that there are less than fifty. There are even less that turn him into an antagonist or even a villain who must be punished, deprived of freedom, or murdered. I doubt you would break ten.

So what's the deal? If this has nothing to do with race and Sterek stories just require a bad-friend antagonist or an ineffectual villain, then it stands to reason that Isaac would sometimes fill that role, doesn't it?

Of course, their answer is that they don't like Scott, and I agree they have a right not to like Scott. But the funny thing is they won't -- they can't -- explain why they don't like Scott. It can't be because he acts as a selfless hero, because so do Derek and Stiles. It can't be because he says mean things to Derek, because they don't have any problem liking Isaac or Peter or Stiles. It can't be because he never listens to Stiles, because since when does any character always listen to Stiles? It can't be because he's in a problematic heterosexual relationship, because they don't have any problem with Isaac's or Derek's or Stiles's problematic heterosexual relationships.

And so on and so forth.

It's not just because he's the lead protagonist, because Scott being the Teen Wolf offers no obstacle at all to a Sterek relationship. He canonically loved both Stiles and Derek, and they loved him in return. But what Scott being the lead protagonist proves an obstacle for is either Stiles or Derek actually being the lead protagonist. The show was built around a Latino character and not the two white characters that this fandom has conjured a whole relationship about.

It's not -- nor has it ever been -- about what happened on the screen that causes people to dislike Scott. It's been about what didn't happen on the screen. Derek and Stiles had nearly ten times the amount of pre-canon flashbacks than Scott did, but that's not enough. You never saw Scott taking a few days or weeks off to contemplate his place in the world while sad classical music played in the background, but that's not enough. Melissa and Deaton always told Scott how he could be a better werewolf instead of getting his parking tickets erased or told that the easiest way to forgive himself is to forgive someone who didn't do anything to him, but that's not enough. Scott never got to beat Derek up because his decisions in Season 2 ruined his relationship with Allison, not the way Stiles got to hit Scott for his father getting hurt, but that's not enough. For as much as these white male characters received in terms of story, they still weren't the lead protagonist, and this creates the only explanation for the profound animosity which they exhibit toward Scott, one which they will claim the right to have but also feel they never ever have to explain. In addition, there is only one thing, no matter how much they can't say, that we must always remember.

BUT IT'S NOT RACISM.

[buckybarnesss]

Stiles's parents both being Polish and to different "degrees" was one thing I never questioned. Granted, I grew up in Chicago, where it was common for someone that was essentially Polish in last name only to marry someone that had Poland-born parents that were happy the spouse was also Polish to any extent.

I have a lot of questions for Jeff Davis about his choices for the McCalls and Hales, however. It definitely felt like the Hales were hispanic-coded and/or indigenous-coded at times despite being played by white actors. Meanwhile, we get almost nothing about the background of either of Scott's parents beyond Melissa's maiden name and, I guess, Rafe speaking Spanish to teenage Derek. What a wild combination of choices.

the names scott and stiles come directly from the 1985 teen wolf movie but everything else is jeff and the writing team.

the way that we know more about the argents, the hales, the yukimuras and the stilinskis than we do about scott's family has always made me feel a particular way.

the argents and hales are the driving force behind so much of the narrative that their history is important to the overall narrative. noshiko's story was important to the story of 3B. malia's history intersects with the hales.

we even get a whole season to learning about lydia's banshee grandmother.

(i want to say there's something in that cora ended up in south america after the fire and went back there after she left beacon hills. do the hales have ties there?)

rafael mccall is just kind of there. i have affection for matthew del negro because he was steve cortez in mass effect and he was fucking wasted by teen wolf. how did he and melissa meet? did scott actually live with him for a while after the divorce as was said in season 1? why didn't we get to see rafael learn about the supernatural as was implied? did this man pay child support?

it's funny. @dear-massacre and i discussed earlier that there's such a small polish population in california but jeff gives us the vaguely polish name stilinski and claudia's maiden name is gajos. stiles is named for his polish grandfather mieczyslaw.

the only other vague slavic name we have is paige's last name, which is never said in canon but it's krasikeva.

jeff did something very deliberate with paige. she's a narrative mirror to sitles.

but yeah it would make sense that noah's family has been in the states longer and assimilated losing some of that cultural tie whereas claudia's either family came more recently and/or they kept cultural ties refusing to lose them to assimilate as much.

[niallloverontheloose]

"SCOTT'S INFLUENCE ENABLED DEREK TO BECOME A TRUE ALPHA"

Scott/Posey stans claiming that Derek became a True Alpha because of Scott's influence and not because he sacrificed himself to save everyone (something Scott never did) in the Teen Wolf Movie has the same desperate, delusional energy of Tyler Posey claiming that Teen Wolf was "ahead of its times" regarding its LGBTQ+ representation: 

https://princeescaluswords.tumblr.com/post/708695675629715456/so-im-trying-to-write-a-scott-has-enough#notes

Once again @princeescaluswords has proven that he is utterly incapable of liking Scott without making shit up and bashing Derek and Stiles, the heroic leads and most popular characters of Teen Wolf he is unhealthily obsessed with. 

He turned a neurodivergent hero dealing with mental health, being a victim of Donovan's brutal assault and of Theo's blackmail, and him refusing to share his own traumas with Scott like Scott (and his stans) wanted and demanded into "Stiles lied to every single person and worked with Scott's enemies behind Scott's back, selling Scott out in the process"  when it literally never happened in the actual show. 

You know who did? Scott McCall. Scott was so much of a coward that he lied to every single person around him – including Stiles, Allison and Derek, his victim – and conspired with Gerard Argent behind everyone's back, selling Boyd, Erica, Isaac and Jackson out to the hunters and violating Derek in the process. Scott also worked with Deucalion (Boyd & Erica's murderer and the guy who killed a shit ton of other innocent people for power) behind his friends' back just to kill Josh & Tracy, two traumatised chimera kids...

Oh, and in Teen Wolf Season 2 Scott also told Gerard that Jackson was the Kanima and that Matt was his master, selling both Jackson and Matt out to Gerard.

But of course bitter @princeescaluswords would try to pretend canon never happened and that True Piece of Shit Scott "The Hunters Has a Good Reason" McCall is the morally superior hero Jeff Davis and Tyler Posey have always desperately tried to sell him as despite Scott's canonical abusive tendencies and behaviour. 

Last but not the least: the fact that Escalus puts his fanon lies, ableist hate and character bashing in the Stiles Stilinski and Derek Hale tags also means that it's okay to put Scott hate and bashing in the Scott McCall tag, too 

I hate Tyler Posey/Scott McCall stans

[1doesnotsimplyhavejust1fandam]

If there’s one thing that I will forever appreciate about the teen wolf fandom, it’s that we refuse to accept that any deaths are canon, but not in the way that the movie did with Allison. We all live in the collective delusion that Erica, Boyd, Aiden, Allison, Lori, Brett, and Derek are all still alive and kicking (if I forgot your fave, I’m SORRY, there’s literally just so many big deaths omg), preferably as part of the McCall pack or at least as pack allies. This also applies to characters who dipped and weren’t part of the main cast anymore like Jackson, Cora, Isaac, Ethan, Danny, KIRA, and Hayden. Like we as a fandom literally don’t care about who is canonically in Beacon Hills, we’re just going to include everyone at the weekly pack meetings and movie nights. Genuinely one of my favorite things, and I hope it never ends because I NEED my lil Berica moments, Danny investigating the big bad with Stiles and Lydia, and Jackson pissing Cora off

[darklinaforever]

Ok. I need to address this.

Are there people who seriously think that Stydia was just fan service, out of nowhere in season 6? Seriously ? What series did you watch exactly? There are countless strong Stydia scenes with ambiguous and or romantic implications, or outright ROMANTIC background music in the series, long before Season 6! In 5X14 alone, Stiles asks Lydia to wake up while holding her hand with the song Where's My Love playing in the background. And yet people didn't see the romantic subtext in there? Really ? What do you need then?

Also, I've seen some haters claiming that there was nothing to be surprised about when Stydia broke up in the movie, because Dylan O'brien always hated Stydia, and said in an interview that they would have broken up at the after a few weeks...

So that's wrong.

Yes, Dylan said that, before going on to the fact that he was joking and that the two were meant to be together and happy. It's beautiful denial in some people anyway. To distort the words of an actor at this point to prove himself right.

Then it was Dylan who improvised the Stydia kiss on the cheek in 6X01. My ass he hates Stydia.

Also, quite a few of the cast members themselves were shipping Stydia together. To claim otherwise is bullshit.

And to anyone complaining that Stydia was too long and therefore no longer made sense...

It was fucking slowburn. A slowburn is supposed to be long to get a final realization! That's the point ! Canonically, in their universe, Stydia took 3 years to be together after being friends in high school. Sorry to tell you, but it's not an eternity or unrealistic. Not everyone gets in couple quickly.

Besides, I don't understand this obsession to say that Stydia is not valid because we've never seen them be a couple in a direct way...

You know, it's like complaining that fairy tales end right on the reunion of lovers finally reunited, or their marriage, being done, we have no insight into how their romantic relationship really works. But no one ever gets upset about it, or says it makes the relationship less valid. Besides, it's not a scheme found only in fairy tales, but including in a lot of classic novels with a central romance, or more recently in some romantic comedies.

And honestly? I don't care to see my ship's life as a couple! What matters is the buildup and the fact that they finally end up together in the end. Seeing them in couple mode is ultimately just a bonus, which I don't care about, because I can easily imagine it myself.

Oh, and if you're backing up the Stydia shit script of the movie as confirmation of your dumb ideas about this couple being forced, ridiculous, meant to break up forever, etc, well that just proves you're hopeless. This movie was absolute shit in every way, a goddamn thing that ruins the whole series, and not just Stydia. Even Allison's comeback is stupid. (and I say that as I ship Scott and Allison)

But in addition, knowing that the film still remains in the idea that Lydia is in love with Stiles and visibly sad to have abandoned him, and that Jeff Davis himself said in an interview that the two will most likely meet again... How is this supposed to be a victory for the anti?!

It mostly feels like a stupid breakup made to create unnecessary drama that would probably get a resolution later. Like the majority of couples getting together in a series that continues and has not actually ended its story.

Another of the reasons why I prefer the story to end once the couple are together rather than stretching out and seeing inevitable breakups / reconciliations made to keep the viewer hooked.

And as much as I'm a fan of Stydia, I absolutely refuse that this film be entitled to a sequel one day. It's shit, from A to Z, that deserves to be ignored and forgotten.

Teen Wolf movie sequel =

Also, those who act like Stydia aren't in a 6X20 couple are... pathetic at best? Everyone forgets this scene where Stydia takes her hand by instinct and where Lydia, remembering her first kiss with Stiles, tells Malia to kiss Scott to help calm him down? No, of course, let's forget this scene to justify our fantasy of: There was never anything ambiguous or romantic about Stydia, including in the last episode, proving that season 6A was a mistake!

And there are anti Stiles, acting like his character is toxic? People act like Stydia is toxic? Really ? It's so stupid it honestly makes me laugh.

I've been on tumblr for 2 years, but I only took a look at the Stydia/Teen wolf tag recently, and the crap I've seen there is really startling.

[befuddledmackem]

Twenty questions for fic writers

I saw @alightbuthappypen do a writing meme and I wanted in, dammit.

1. How many works do you have on AO3?

92, apparently. I could not have begun to guess this amount without checking. I would have said that I’ve posted way less than that to AO3, but it does include everything I ever posted on livejournal.

2. What's your total AO3 word count?

406,924.

3. What fandoms do you write for?

I am belatedly realising that writing this will be an exercise in revealing the daft ways my brain works. I was about to say “I tend to only write one fandom at a time,” but that simply isn’t true; I tend to write whatever my distractable brain presents me with, and I feel like I have little to no control over what my brain latches on to. I am currently editing a few fics from The Witcher, specifically the Netflix show, though I can’t help but mix some game canon in too. I have previously written about Good Omens (both the book, waaaaaaayyy back when, and then also the show kicked off some fic years later), the IT movies, Our Flag Means Death, Teen Wolf, Star Trek, The Musketeers, The Untamed a little bit… and a lot more I'm forgetting. I gain and drop fandoms quickly, and never end up writing an awful lot in each.

4. What are your top 5 fics by kudos?

Number one by a country mile is a Teen Wolf fic that I refuse to link to because I just don’t like it any more. One day I’ll orphan it. Kudos: 8915.

Number two: Build Our Kingdom (Good Omens). Kudos: 6884.

Number three: One Big Bed (Our Flag Means Death). Kudos: 1239.

Number four: I’m Falling And I Don’t Know What To Say (Our Flag Means Death). Kudos: 1219.

Number five: Desire Dividing Me (Good Omens). Kudos: 1100.

5. Do you respond to comments? Why or why not?

It depends when they catch me. If they come in within a week or so of me posting, then I gleefully respond. After that, it depends. I read all of them, obviously – I read and re-read comments when my mood needs a boost – but if a little time has passed, I either feel weird about replying (?why? I can’t figure it out beyond brain daftness), or I simply forget (my memory is a joke). I literally always love a comment, though.

6. What is a fic you wrote with the angstiest ending?

Oh, hmm, I’m not much for writing angst. Uh… I’ve just scrolled through all my fics and I’m shrugging. I guess there’s an X-Men Charles/Erik fic called Cold Reunion where they meet after the divorce and bitch at each other a bit… that might be the closest I get. Oh, or the only Witcher fic I’ve posted so far (The Song of the White Wolf) is very much about Jaskier being in what he believes to be unrequited love with Geralt, and nothing gets resolved at the end, because it is just slotted into a gap between episodes.

7. What's the fic you wrote with the happiest ending?

I will write and re-write “and then they get together” a billion times, because I’m such a sucker for it. I’d say either Build Our Kingdom, my version of the obligatory Good Omens picnic scene, or maybe L’Appel du Vide, in which Eddie Kaspbrak does some learning and changing in his forties. God, I miss Eddie and Richie.

8. Do you get hate on fics?

LOL one comment on the aforementioned Eddie/Richie fic was about how I’d written Richie to be particularly woobified, I think? But it came, like, eight or nine chapters into a very wordy ten chapter fic, and it cracked me up for how long they’d persevered before snapping. I don’t think it was hate so much as disappointment. I laugh every time I think about it. I can’t think of anything else which comes close to hate.

9. Do you write smut? If so, what kind?

I used to write smut quite often, but I don’t feel like I’m especially good at it, or that I present it in an interesting way. I don’t think the world is missing out for me not writing it anymore.

10. Do you write crossovers? What's the craziest one you've written?

I was about to say “no, I haven’t,” but I definitely have. My goddamn memory! I started a Star Trek/Teen Wolf crossover that I did not finish. Whoops! Retroactive apologies to anyone I pissed off by doing that. I have since learned not to post fics until I have finished them completely. I have so many damn WIPs that I have all but abandoned.

11. Have you ever had a fic stolen?

Nah. Wait, have I? …I have a vague memory of raging about this while I was at university 20 years ago (!) but that’s the only thing I can remember (joke of a memory).

12. Have you ever had a fic translated?

Yeah, a few. Cool!

13. Have you ever co-written a fic before?

I have! Not for a long, long time now, but there have been a couple.

14. What's your all-time favorite ship?

Uh, that’s a big question. I feel like I’ve been pretty clear about how quickly I go into and drop out of fandoms at this point. I guess the one I’ve come back to most often is Crowley/Aziraphale? But I don’t love it any more than I love any of my other OTPs, it has just snared me back into writing it more often than the rest. Others of note: Eddie Kaspbrak/Richie Tozier, Wangxian, Yennefer/Jaskier/Geralt (and every permutation therein), Stede Bonnet/Edward Teach (but I haven't even seen season 2 yet), Aramis/Porthos.

15. What's a wip you want to finish, but doubt you ever will?

God, I’ve got a Stranger Things Steve/Eddie fic that I just need to sit down and edit properly, and make some decisions about, and it’d be done. And yet here we are, with it still unfinished. Also I have a 14K Crowley/Aziraphale fic that I’d love to actually finish one of these days, but my ideas for it petered out. Probably if I really did some thinking I could write an ending for it, and just be done with it, but it is set after season 1 of the show, and would no longer jive with the canon… I don’t know. Would it be worth it? Who knows?

16. What are your writing strengths?

Uhhhhhhhh. Well, I’ve done Nano twice now, so I guess I can pump words out when I really push myself. And I feel like writing dialogue comes pretty easily to me, though I suppose everyone else is free to disagree!

17. What are your writing weaknesses?

Description uuuuugggggghhhhhhh. Keeping track of limbs or objects or facial expressions. I feel like I struggle with endings in that I always think they feel abrupt. I’m also fucking terrible at motivating myself and tend to work better with outside motivation (for example, committing to a certain number of words a month – but then how do I make myself edit afterwards? Would love to know!).

18. Thoughts on writing dialogue in another language for a fic?

I’m barely coherent in English, mate. Everyone else can do as they wish, but if I have to keep scrolling down to see what things mean, I’m clicking away. My attention span sucks.

19. First fandom you wrote for?

Oh god. The Beatles, with a sort of dizzy sense of, “Wait, this is allowed?”

20. Favorite fic you've written?

Oh wow, an even bigger question! Uhhhhhhhhhh…? Fucking hell. Probably either L’Appel du Vide, because it basically did everything I wanted it to, or maybe Build Our Kingdom, because I managed to write it clearly enough that I can actually see it happening in my head, which is usually not the case. Does that make sense? I’m not very visual, but I can picture them through my own words more easily than I managed to do in other fics. Stupid! Those fics are certainly the two I re-read most often.

Bye!

[captnswilson]

I refuse to accept the movie as canon. Teen Wolf ended with stydia being together after years of slowburn and in my head they will stay together forever.

[raybyanothername]

Headcanons Inspired by the Teen Wolf movie:

Eli is not just a Sterek child, I would bet money that he was conceived thanks to or at the Nemeton. Possibly both, depending on the AU. (Lowkey, I have *thoughts* about the Nemeton just spontaneously creating Eli all on its own because it has access to both Stiles and Derek DNA and is the original agent of chaos in the TW universe.)

While Eli was busy freaking out about being a werewolf and subconsciously stopping his own transformation, the Nemeton was drawing his spark closer. Thus the sleepwalking. Which, if we must accept the horror of canon, would probably grow more frequent when he moves to LA. That child is bringing Derek back to life before he can legally own a license and the Nemeton is his wingman.

Coach refuses to acknowledge who Derek is (he totally knows him/remembers him) because 'that jerk refused to try out for lacross!' and he 'is too busy to entertain basketball players or their delusions of grandeur!'

An alpha is only as strong as his pack bonds and Scott letting them all go dormant is why he didn't have the strength to hold down the nogistune/stop Derek. That the Hales remain close even when apart is why Derek did.

Stiles left the jeep purely because he *knew* toddler Eli was obsessed with it and it would drive Derek crazy for at least a decade. It's his way of flirting from a distance.

Eli knows who Stiles is (possibly very well). He did not put the pieces together with the jeep being his because it was too obvious and his brain flew right over that connection.

Eli's earliest memories are of 'helping' his dad fix the jeep, which is one of the reasons he's attached to it.

[stileslinskid]

I’m very hesitant to watch the teen wolf movie just for the fact that I think they are going to mess up Stydia. It is canon that they ended up together and STAYED together even after high school. I refuse to acknowledge that these two who are tethered together won’t be forever. Jeff Davis better not fuck with that. Just because Dylan isn’t there does not mean that Stiles isn’t still important in Lydia’s life and that they aren’t a couple because there’s so much more to them. You don’t spend six seasons giving people that type of story just to ruin it. And on the off chance that they aren’t together anymore they better not put Lydia with Jackson because that makes no sense and I hate when creators/writers make a character great through character development and then they just screw them up by going back to zero. 

Rant over

[nandorelentlessdelacruz]

I've read hundreds of Sterek amazing fanfics, so when I googled about the show few years ago and read 🚩Queerbating 🚩and why, I was like:

Not today, Satan!

Then the movie came... I hate the trailer and figured none of the points people were criticizing were being fixed. So: "Not my money, Jeff Davis".

Now I see that I made the right decision according to the reviews.

It's 2023... I refuse. The only way I would be dragged into this is if BAMF!Stiles showed up as Eli's secret mpreg dad and save everybody's asses.

Canon Teen Wolf is such bad writing and they fail EVEN in give people fanservice 🤦🏻‍♀️

[shelbbswrites]

who do you think is eli's mom

Okay, well, since this movie won't let my mind rest, I did something I hate to get to the bottom of what the answer should be — math.

If the Teen Wolf: Movie takes place 15 years after Allison died, then it would have to be someone Derek was romantic with during that time, so around Season 3.

That person would either be Jennifer Blake, aka THE DARACH, or (my personal favorite) Braeden.

Those are the two canonical options because I refuse to even entertain Kate Argent. It's bad enough to factor in the literal Darach.

I suppose the Teen Wolf: Movie wants us to believe there was someone else off-screen that Derek hooked up with either while he was dealing with The Darach and NEARLY DYING or while in a relationship with Braeden. I don't really like either of those options.