#totj s1

[meandmyechoes]

the best timeline to place “Practice Makes Perfect” in is 3.08 where Anakin sneaked out to help Padme with her dinner party leading him to be late for Ahsoka’s test 😏

[writingforfun0714]

Spoilers for Tales of the Jedi!!!

So I just saw Disney has released the official runtimes of each episode and I gotta say, I’m super disappointed. TotJ is more like Star Wars: Visions, in that the episodes are about 14mins each (a few vary with the longest @ 17 and the shortest @ 10). Tbh I never heard anything about TotJ being shorts and had assumed that each episode would be between 30-40mins (since there are only 6 episodes total). I had no evidence for this!! It was just what I thought would happen.

I fell in love with Netflix’s Arcane and that only has 9 episodes out as of this post (with S2 confirmed and in post according to Bridging the Rift behind-the-scenes docuseries). Each episode of Arcane is about 40mins each and I had just assumed the same for Tales of the Jedi (b/c of low episode count). I liked Star Wars: Visions, some eps more than others, but would’ve preferred a normal show run time. I suppose SW Visions’ success+long process of animation contributed to a short runtime for TotJ. That being said, I’m still upset.

I understand animation is hard work, believe me (artist by day/fanfic hobbyist by night) so I know that what little we will get, will be AMAZING. The short runtime forces Filoni/other writers to really nail the stories/tones/music of each episode.

I just…I feel like Hades from Disney’s Hercules lol

Lemme know what you guys think about the episode runtimes for Tales of the Jedi. I’d love to hear your opinions❤️

[clownkiwi]

also think im gonna watch mando s3 now n see if its still (hopefully) good

[lesbinewren]

and if i say totj s1 should’ve been ahsoka & ventress

[yukipri]

The Bad Batch Season 2 Wrap Up Thoughts

I never ended up sharing my thoughts on the Bad Batch S2 finale. Since we're hopefully getting news of S3 tomorrow, this seemed like a good time?

First, to be clear, I love so much about the show. This is not meant to be a complaint thread. But I'm also critical of certain aspects. You're warned.

This is also a compiled Twitter thread!

Spoilers through the end of Season 2!

First off, I can't understate how beautiful the show was, just as an experience. The cinematography, the visual designs, the music. The unique worlds and unique characters. There were so many shots that were breathtaking, haunting. When a scene hits, it HITS.

I love both TCW & Rebels dearly, but cumulative skills + experience as well as new technology clearly shows. TBB, TotJ (and of course TCW S7) are just so captivating to watch as works of art. These shows are, frankly, worth it for that alone. But of course that's not all.

One of TBB's strengths is the depth it gives the worlds the characters visit, as well as the side/guest characters. Perhaps due to the nature of many of the episodes being more of an exploration than straight up war like TCW, but we can see more of these places. TCW also had so many neat planets/aliens/cultures, but due to the constantly pressing war, we were only ever allowed a glimpse and I constantly wished there was more. TBB really scratched that itch. I'm thinking specifically of Kashyyyk, with its fauna and wookiee traditions.

The same with side/guest characters. They all had such great flavor, with fun designs and motives. Phee was a standout among the non-clones. I also loved how it gave us such a personal exploration of characters we knew and loved before, like Riyo.

The thing about TBB is that it's set in such a fascinating time period that we don't have too much media of, at least in new canon. The formation of the Empire is a time where we know all these other characters must be alive and working hard, but we haven't seen it before.

This leads me to the writing. Oh, the writing...

How do I say this. The writing in this show gave me whiplash. Some of the episodes were beyond brilliant, giving us deeply personal character moments, layered metaphors, and context in how it affects the greater SW universe.

Others...not so much.

I understand this is not the case for everyone, but for me personally to enjoy a story, when there are any stakes involved, I need the characters to show some awareness of them, and for these to affect their actions. There are a limited number of episodes and that time must be spent wisely. I don't mean this at all to say that I didn't enjoy the lighter fun adventure missions with the Batch, nor do I think these episodes can't be used productively.

But TBB S1 started off with Crosshair siding with the Empire.

I kept waiting for them to *show* that the others cared. It could be they were troubled, it could be they missed him, it could have been shown in so many ways. I kept expecting these brief moments in the Fun Times episodes, which would have given me some emotional continuity.

The writers are absolutely capable of it! After Plan 99, when Echo glances at the co-pilot seat—stuff like that, I was personally expecting it through all of S1 and S2. I get that the Batch feel they have to do other things and Crosshair made his own choice, but I thought the point was they care about their brother regardless.

Mind you, I'm not the biggest fan of Crosshair, but I do find him interesting. And I felt that in the two episodes most centered around him, he had such tangible growth that was depicted so well. He went from stating that the Batch are superior to regs in S1 finale, to having clear doubts after working with Cody, to shooting a natborn officer because he didn't help a "reg" he'd just met. We see Crosshair being included by the clones he disdains, we see how it compares to the Empire he thought he wanted to be a part of. The writing in Crosshair's episodes were tight, and he went far within them, few as they were.

In comparison, the rest of the Batch...with their far greater number of episodes...what were they doing??

I love character-centric eps, but even on a personal level, I wasn't sure what the charas gained. Tech is the sole exception; he was given many introspective moments, from Sorenno, to Phee, to the cave talk with Omega. Not sure how much he changed, but he expressed himself.

To also be clear, I'm also not including Echo in any of this. He has been the voice of trying to get the Batch to do things, to *change*, since S1. I felt his frustration keenly. Which is why I felt that when he left to go with Rex...I sort of left the Batch with him.

I mean this in the sense that Echo didn't *want* to leave the Batch, not necessarily. He wanted, and he *did* try to get Hunter to care about what their brothers are suffering, and he has been since S1. Echo can't stand to leave them chipped when he could do something.

He wanted the Batch to feel the same. *I* wanted the Batch to feel the same. But they didn't. I see Echo breaking with them less as him leaving, and more as they (or at least Hunter) firmly telling him that that's not their fight, and they're not going to do it.

This isn't the Batch going out of their way to help, or not knowing how. Echo and Rex have given them an open invitation. The Batch know how to help, who needs it, and why. They know their "reg" brothers don't have many if any others fighting for them. The Batch (Hunter) have these opportunities to help and know they are among the few positioned to offer it...and they still walk away.

The Batch (Hunter) sees the other clones fates as none of their business. On one hand, I get that they never fit in, were called names and weren't allowed to sit with the cool kids at lunch. On the other, "they were mean" and "therefore they should be mind-controlled slaves" is grossly disproportional. Likewise it's not as though this fight doesn't concern them. Even if they can't find it in themselves to care about "regs," it's Rex who told them to remove their chips and went out of his way to make sure they did based on info that Fives gathered, without which Wrecker would have killed Omega. Perhaps I wouldn't go as far as to say they *owe* other clones, but my opinion of them certainly continued to drop as they made explicitly clear that they're fine with this being the fate of other clones.

So okay, fine. TBB isn't a story about the Batch discovering they have more alike with other clones than they first thought (other than Crosshair, who actually does get that story). That's what I wanted, alright, I know I'm not getting that at this point.

But then, where does that leave them? What do they care about, what do they fight for?

Their brother...right?

Except...they don't really do that either??? (points at earlier in this rant) At least, until the very last episodes, where an opportunity presents itself, and most of the Batch jumps on it...except Hunter.

The way he's written just *baffles* me. I can't say anything about his personality other than "he cares about Omega," but even that, when at the expense of his other brothers, is tiring. Immediately after Tech gives his life on a mission he wanted to go on to try to save Crosshair, he suggests they all hide away on Pabu (even with the knowledge that Omega is wanted and they're being hunted). I get that he wanted to hide from the pain, but in that context?? Even then, he can't care about Cross??

And then when Omega is kidnapped, the difference in his reaction between that and what happened with Crosshair...it was, frankly, painful.

I feel like by the end of the series, Tech would have been more open to joining Echo/the clones' fight. Wrecker will just go along. Echo has already plunged headfirst into helping others, Crosshair got character growth and defected from the Empire. And Omega has always wanted to help even strangers, but only doesn't when Hunter tells her no.

I feel that Hunter's the one dragging his heels for the Batch to progress, and he's supposed to be the leader.

All of this to say, I've been trying so hard to like the Batch since S1, and they didn't really click for me (other than Echo, who I don't count since I loved him from long before, and still consistently have). But by the end of S2, I think I've concluded that I'd like the others perfectly fine if they were under different leadership that encouraged them to care, to act.

I don't want to say I *dislike* him, but man...I'm super disappointed in Hunter, and I'm not sure if/how that might change.

This leads me to my final thought, which is: I would strongly prefer if "the Clone Story" be told from a different lens than Hunter-centric TBB.

What I mean is, throughout the show, there have been multiple pivotal events that affect all clones, not just the Batch.

The fall of Kamino, the failure of the clones' rights bill are the big ones. But even without those, through the glimpses of the "regs" like Howzer, Gregor, Wilco, Cody, Slip, Cade, and Mayday, we see how the Empire is treating the rest of them as a group.

I'm deeply invested in these boys and their stories, and frankly, all of these boys instantly became my faves in their few moments of screen time. I want more of these, and it feels deeply unfair that they've done so much to tell compelling stories but have so little time.

They are an extension of the clones I love from TCW in a way that the Batch just aren't, and don't seem to be interested in becoming.

Not even that, but we know from Hunter's rejection of Echo that the Batch (Hunter) don't *care.*

Fine, they don't care. But I'm admittedly deeply concerned about how S3 will go, because even if the Batch doesn't care about the Clone Story, they (Hunter) don't seem to be doing a great job progressing their internal story either (Crosshair).

I understand Omega has some crucial background we're *finally* getting to. I want to know why she's special, why she's unaltered. I want to know what she has that Boba doesn't, or if she's just Nala Se's favorite. Maybe that's relevant to the Clone Story.

But frankly, personally, I would prefer if TBB S3 goes full in focussing on building Hunter and Wrecker up emotionally, and just going full in on what it means for them as a Batch to be there for each other. They need that, desperately, without distractions.

I would prefer if the Clone Story (frankly, the story I'm far more invested in) is told through Rex and other clones, who passionately care and are in the fight. If Echo jumps between the 2 groups and links them, great! I think the Batch would make excellent guest characters. But NOT protagonists of a story where they don't care while everyone else does.

I guess all of this to say, it's sad that I think I liked the Batch the most in TCW S7, and my impression of them as a group (which I recognize is largely due to Hunter) has only gone downhill since.

Again, to be clear, I did enjoy the show.

I LOVED eps 3, 7, 8, 12, 14, to the point I'd say they're possibly my favorite eps of any SW show. These eps are conspicuously non Batch-centric. I loved many *parts* of other episodes.

The *show* has given me so much to love. Unfortunately, none of those things are Hunter.

[smhalltheurlsaretaken]

Hello I have a question since I have no idea what's going on.

I finally watched Tales of the Jedi a thought it was great. Got me right in my feelings and more excited for the Bad Batch.

But there seems to be a lot of Filoni hate and I think I missed something. I mean what happened to in Filoni we trust?

Filoni happened, too many times.

TOTJ was pretty good on the whole, but what's been bothering people more and more is how comfortable he's gotten with treating Star Wars like his own personal sandbox. Characters he's a fan of get the spotlight even when they shouldn't, and he lets his biases and preferences shine through instead of sticking to the movies or even TCW s1-6. It was fine when he wasn't implicated in just about every piece of SW media that's being released, but now his vision is everywhere, unrestrained, and if you're not an absolute fan of said vision you quickly get fed up - which is what happened imo, at least in my corner of the fandom.

I don't hate the dude, but I really feel like his writing deserves all the pasta nicknames and 'Darth Felonius' jokes people can come up with.

[gizkalord]

Tell us why you don't like the "so much like your father' line! I want to hear your take!

i genuinely don't see how luke in that moment (or in that episode) acted particularly like anakin. it's immediately in response to luke's line "i wonder if [grogu's] heart is in it" (or something like that idk), but HOW does it remind her of anakin?? is it self-doubt? sure, anakin had lots of self-doubt in private, though i don't feel ahsoka was immediately privy to it, and it'd be weird to bring that up in a fond way.

being considerate with their teaching? mayyyybe but it's a stretch imo, bc i think their relationship involved a fair amount of possessiveness on anakin's part. also even though TOTJ hasn't come out yet, i feel safe in concluding that anakin was a tough teacher. even without TOTJ context, he was relatively assertive with ahsoka (this happens more obviously in s1-2), she's just rebellious enough to talk back and he's ok with that haha. i also really don't think anakin would ever be as hesitant/self-restrained as luke over a concern like that—ahsoka herself called anakin impulsive and passionate.

i do believe ahsoka thinks of anakin as someone who was once kind and cared deeply about others—she says as much herself. but imo luke and anakin demonstrate those qualities in very different ways. also, i have no idea where ST era ahsoka stands with anakin bc she's upset enough with what happened that she refused to teach grogu in mando s2 and yet somehow not upset enough to draw a seemingly positive comparison between anakin and his son in tbobf. i blame lame, poorly thought out cameos. and again, luke does nothing in that episode to justify such a vague and unspecific comparison to anakin.

anyways. tldr it annoys me deeply bc i'm a freak for anakin and ahsoka and i think that scene was a cheap and vapid way to force in an anakin reference

[phantom-of-the-501st]

My thoughts on a new trailer

If I'm being completely honest (and it annoys me that I have to admit this), I really don't think we're going to get another trailer for TBB.

Even though there are multiple in existence (extended version from SWC, the public version and the version from ComiCon) I really doubt there's going to be another publicly released one.

S1 only ever had one public trailer, as did TOTJ. When it comes to animated shows, there doesn't seem to be any priority to release multiple trailers. I know everyone is talking about a new one possibly dropping soon but I highly doubt it's going to happen.

We're less than a month away from the release of S2 and there has been no advertisement past May. The official BB twitter hasn't posted anything since the trailer. I really don't think we're going to get a second one.

Now saying this, I would love to be proven wrong. If we got another trailer then great!

But with how ridiculous the lack of advertising for this show has been, I think we all need to lower our expectations as to what we're going to be getting from here on out.😕

Edits: Fixed typos.

[jkmaxx4215]

in short: nobody who likes star wars and cares about star wars wants star wars to be racist or do racist things. that’s why it sucks so much when clone troopers don’t actually look that much like temuera morrison at all in tcw/tbb and people decide to gaslight the rest of us and say they totally do bc they’re still more tan than like, anakin and obi-wan (except when they’re not)

moreover: it’s ongoing. even with tcw Season 7, tbb S1, tales of the jedi and tbb S2, which are all recent projects with a significant animation upgrade and new models, textures and lighting for almost everyone. as outcry has continued, they’ve adapted to a variety of things. they’ve shown a willingness to listen to fans with tbb s2’s armor and adding Cody, and they’re willing to break continuity with like, obi’s mullet and ahsoka’s fucking tube top in TOTJ, but not darken the clones’ skin tones a few shades and add texturing to the hair, round some edges and play it off with the art style upgrade? not even darkening echo now that he’s supposed to be healthier again or having tech’s mutations *not* include being white and british? it’s not like they haven’t heard about the backlash even though they had heard of everything else. and when you have heard those things, and chosen to keep trucking as you are, choosing not to change anything, not even one, that is racist.

it isn’t and wasn’t okay to do this kind of thing to any actor of color or character of color in animation, and we knew this whether it was in 2008, 2018, or 2022, and it’s not okay to do to Temuera Morrison and the clones. it’s not an artistic or stylistic choice, it’s not an adaptational change. it is erasure. it is racist. and we need to talk about it until it stops.

[certified-anakinfucker]

how about top five favorite shows!!! or any songs you've been really into lately 👀

TOP FIVE FAVE SHOWS…… so I suck at watching shows.

My friend is making me watch Castlevania. I finished s1 and I did not realize how CAPTIVATING IT IS HOLY SHIT FUCK YES???

The Old Republic’s cinematics. That’s it that’s the tweet

Um. Not TCW. But also yes TCW just for the principle of giving me content I refuse to consume. Honorable mention ToTJ.

I CAN FUCK UP SOME INUYASHA DESPITE NOT HAVING AVIDLY WATCHED IT SINCE I WAS A LITTLE KID NGL

Does Eyewitness count? Yes it does. I’m counting Eyewitness.

Absolute song of possess me lately has been Skin — Oingo Boingo

(and the sleepover saturday prompts!)

[meandmyechoes]

poll for cloak/poncho

[writingforfun0714]

Spoilers for Tales of the Jedi!!

*not story related*

I know I said before I disliked the short runtimes of the episodes, but I was correct in that the stories/music were fantastic!

BUUUT!!!

What is with the clone model?!?Rex looks exactly the same in CW. It’s obvious with Obi-wan, Anakin, Ahsoka, and even Mace that their designs have been redone to keep with the slicker, nicer animation (advancing technology). While everyone looks better, Rex still looks exactly the same with the sharp, angular lines.

I’m honestly not surprised that Rex’s design didn’t change, but I must admit that I had hoped, deep down, that they would’ve changed the model (even just a bit like they did with the other characters). Disney does listen to SW fans if we shout loud enough so they technically could’ve changed the clone model to be more like Temuera Morrison (I know Disney would never apologize for the racism, but any change, even a little, is welcome). But again, I’m really not surprised Rex’s model didn’t change. Just disappointed.

Even though the stories and music were amazing, the fact that Rex/the clone model hasn’t changed isn’t just racism, it’s sloppy animation. It hurt as a POC and as an artist to see. Don’t get me wrong, everything else animated looks great. It’s just that Rex/the clone model wasn’t updated, making him appear off and out of place with the rest of the scenes. It also made Rex look older (whether unintentional or not). Like yes, the clones all have accelerated aging (except for Boba/Omega obviously), but everyone else slightly aged with each time skip but Rex looked old from the beginning (S1 version of Anakin/Ahsoka scene). Would’ve loved to see the lines on his face appear rather than just be there like they were for the clone model in CW.

I just…wish Disney would acknowledge the clones being whitewashed. I don’t need an apology. I don’t. It’s been so long. I just want them to change the model. Even a little bit at a time until they look like Temuera Morrison. I’d say that they look more accurate in their older, Rebel’s design than the CW animation style. Rebels isn’t completely accurate, but it’s better than CW’s/BB’s version. Listen, they could’ve changed the clone model for TotJ and if people were ???/didn’t like it, Disney/Filoni could’ve stated Rebels as an inspiration or something. I like Filoni as a storyteller, but the racism whether intentional or not has now started hurting the SW community. I love Dee Bradley Baker. He’s an amazing VA like Tara Strong or Grey DeLisle. But he shouldn’t have been cast as the clones in the first place. It should’ve been Temuera Morrison, Daniel Logan or another New Zealand VA.

It’s interesting that they did that for Bad Batch’s Omega. Her VA is Michelle Ang, a woman from New Zealand in her mid 30’s (who imho does NOT sound like a child at all). Like they knew to get a NZ VA for Omega, but not for the clones? I’ll be honest and say that I don’t know why Baker got the job (I know he and Filoni worked on AtLA together so I wasn’t sure if that had something to do with it). Baker tried but it just didn’t work. That’s why Omega’s accent sounds so different compared to the rest of CF99.

I’m assuming that Filoni is just one of those guys that if gets called a racist, just digs his heels in deeper and denies it, though doesn’t do anything to prove that he isn’t. People care a lot about being called racist, but don’t really do anything about it.

If you wanna learn more about whitewashing in the SW fandom, specifically about the clones, go check out @unwhitewashthebadbatch

There’s amazing info about what is whitewashed specifically, POC in the SW fandom, how to support POC and their organizations, etc. I saw it one day on my feed and am so happy to have found a place to get info.

[gizkalord]

Ughhh seeing TotJ reminds me how much I prefer animated shows over live action

I think Andor and mando s1 + certain parts of s2 are fantastic examples of what live action sw tv is capable of but yeah I think there’s a charm and freedom and suspension of disbelief to the sw animated shows that I really love