#transx discourse

[sophieinwonderland]

Alright, y'know what? I'll bite. You cannot be transautistic. Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder that not only causes behavioral issues but also other physical setbacks, including digestive issues, sleep disturbances and sensitivity to stimuli. There are specific differences in an autistic brain that vary from neurotypical brains that you will never, ever achieve, no matter how hard you try. I don't know why you would want to live with a disorder that actively makes it so you have to puppet-show yourself through social situations because NTs don't understand that autistic people struggle with picking up on social cues and with masking because if they even try to be themselves, they're shunned. Autism, especially the higher needs you get, is very difficult to live with. You cannot transition into a neurodevelopmental disorder you do not have for whatever reason. Whether it's for the 'aesthetic', because you 'feel' autistic, you already have 'physical' autism or whatever. All the reasons why someone might 'identify' as transautistic are null and void. You can either be autistic or you can be not autistic. By identifying as 'transautistic', you are actively harming people who actually have autism by: - invalidating their experience as autistic by making it seem like it's pleasant to have/an aesthetic - invalidating their experience by showing you do NOT take it seriously - invalidating their experience by allowing bigoted neurotypicals to accuse actually autistic people of faking it or being 'transautistic' and therefore pushing their progress back on research and receiving help and support for their condition

I'm sorry if the reason you're 'identifying' as 'transautistic' is because of some kind of trauma. I get it. But you cannot be 'transautistic'. It is inherently harmful to actual autistic people. If you're experiencing atypical dysphoria, that's different and worthy of receiving help for. We support people with atypical dysphoria. We do not support the faking or romanticization of autism.

This is beside the point, but aren't a lot of those physical issues you listed things that are just caused by normal stress? The digestive issue, sleep disturbances, etc?

Anyway, to your point...

I don't know why you would want to live with a disorder that actively makes it so you have to puppet-show yourself through social situations because NTs don't understand that autistic people struggle with picking up on social cues and with masking because if they even try to be themselves, they're shunned.

I don't know why people with BIID would want to remove their limbs.

That doesn't make these feelings any less real though.

There's a mistake I think people make a lot where they assume that the brain and its wants and desires inherently have to be rational. The truth is that human beings are rarely rational actors.

Personally, I agree that ASD is neurodevelopmental disorder and that you can't actually transition into having it in the same way you can transition to a new gender.

At the same time, I feel like the alleged harm is largely overblown.

- invalidating their experience as autistic by making it seem like it's pleasant to have/an aesthetic - invalidating their experience by showing you do NOT take it seriously

This comes down to the mentality of the individual.

Look, we're autistic. Our autism causes us a lot of problems in life.

But it also gives us a unique perspective of the world, and we wouldn't be who we are if we weren't autistic. While there are some things about ourselves that I wish we could change, I don't wish we weren't autistic.

Putting aside that dysphoria is often not something people choose to experience, I personally wouldn't have an issue with with neurotypicals who looked at the pros and cons, and wanted to be autistic like us. I think that would be pretty cool.

Feeling invalidated by this is a personal matter.

This is also the same exact logic I've seen used by TERFs, transmeds and sysmeds alike to try to argue that it's bad to want to be a woman/transgender/plural.

"You want to be like us but haven't experienced the pain we did so it makes us feel bad."

And I mean, this sort of emotion is valid in its own way... but that doesn't make it rational.

And to me, it feels more like self-inflicted harm, where a person's own outlook is what's actually responsible for the distress, rather than the actions of others.

- invalidating their experience by allowing bigoted neurotypicals to accuse actually autistic people of faking it or being 'transautistic' and therefore pushing their progress back on research and receiving help and support for their condition

As someone who regularly stalks r/fakedisordercringe to screenshot and use them as content on my blog, I've never seen them actually fakeclaim people by calling them transautistic.

I don't think this is a thing that actually happens.

If someone is going to accuse you of faking, you're far more likely to get accused Munchausen's.

Which, by the way, has been happening for a LONG time.

I just don't see an uptick in fakeclaiming of disorders related to transabled people

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And since I mentioned TERFs, they also have been making similar arguments. They've suggested respecting the identities of transwomen would somehow setback feminism, but this hasn't happened.

While disabilities aren't genders and comparing them too closely can be dangerous, I think what history shows us is that a lot of these sorts of arguments tend to be more fearmongering than anything else.

Just as trans rights didn't setback feminism, neither will a small group of transautistics online somehow setback research into ASD or support for autistic people.

Regardless of people's opinion on whether transautism is valid, I think it's important for ASD advocates to keep attention on real issues that face the autistic community instead of a small niche group on the internet with little to no power or impact in the real world.

[queermetalgremlin]

Am i the only one who just... Doesn't get TransX discourse?

Like, both the pro- and anti- side spew so much bullshit i seriously start to spiral.

Am i the wrong one? Am i just an idiot who doesn't get the very obvious truth (that i can't see)?

Hold on, lemme elaborate:

I don't get Chronosian people who hate on Transage, when they mean very similar things. Is it 'cause Transage is also used by pro-contact pedophiles? If so, i get why you'd be wary of the term, but making a blanket statement about ALL Transage folks, when most of them identify as such solely due to term preference, is really hypocritical; HOWEVER some people equate mental perception to bodily age, and that can lead to disastrous consequences.

I can't comment on Transrace since i'm white, but as far as i've seen it seems harmless, as well as being mostly bodily POC folks coping with racial trauma and atypical dysphoria in a weird way; HOWEVER I don't know how transnationality works, since afaik you can't change the place you're born from.

As for Transabled, everyone is ready to support people with BIID until their disorder gets so bad they need to get amputated for their own good, huh? Everyone likes to pretend they're the most radically inclusive people on Earth until mental disorders aren't "UwU cute smol bean" anymore; HOWEVER, some people actively romanticize the disability they feel like they should have, thus hurting the people who bodily have it, and as far as i've heard, there are some people who don't even feel like they should have it and are just doing it for fun, which is wrong, but i have no proof of these people existing so i digress.

Transnazis and similar scum can fuck off into the sunset and never come back again.

[rjtbot]

If you say "transgender isn't a transid" I'm gonna assume you're a transmedicalist.

If you don't believe sex and gender are separate (at least for some/lots of people) I'm gonna assume you're a transmedicalist.

If you say "xenogenders aren't real genders" I'm gonna assume you're a transmedicalist.

It you don't believe gender is a social construct I'm gonna assume you're a transmedicalist.

If you assume ANY trans individual is a "faker" I'm gonna asume you're a transmedicalist.

If you tell people using neopronouns they should "just use multiple names instead" I'm gonna assume you're a transmedicalist.

If you believe transness is political I'm gonna assume you're a transmedicalist.

If you shittalk other trans people, as a trans person, based on their transness I'm gonna assume you're a transmedicalist.

If you say any facistic talking points in relevance to transness I'm gonna assume you're a transmedicalist.

[stayregants]

If I was yours, what’s the first thing you’d do with me? 🥰

[transfelicityac]

" this person is transid! " there's bigger issues right now.

" this person is an mspec lesbian/gay! " there's bigger issues right now.

" this person is- " THERE. ARE. BIGGER. ISSUES. AT. THIS. POINT. IN. TIME.

we can go back to infighting when minorities have basic human rights and we're not all targets for violence, okay? how about we all just focus on the actual issue rather than what people are doing with their lives? there's literally a red alert out for genocide in america right now. other countries are terrified. we're literally back in what is 1930's germany and you SERIOUSLY think a transid user is a bigger issue than this? " oh but - " THAT CAN FUCKING WAIT. ALL THIS DISCOURSE CAN FUCKING WAIT. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE BIGGER ISSUE. THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT. THEY WANT US TO BE TOO BUSY FIGHTING EACH OTHER TO DO SOMETHING.

[sarahnicoleblog]

Being true to myself is the greatest freedom, and I'm loving every moment! 🌟"

[tsmsddie1356]

How deep would you go? 🥵

[everafter-life]

“Disability aids should be free” until a transabled person wants to use one

Minor quick edit: If you are against this sentiment, i would be perfectly fine with calmly and politely having a discussion on why you disagree! I won’t try to change your opinion, and will just say why i believe what i do, i will answer any questions too! I have been very much on and off tumblr so i may not reply for while, so thank you for understanding.

[radinclus-not-radqueer]

Radqueers are a cult.

I am a cult survivor, I have been one far before I was in the radqueer community. As a cult survivor, the radqueer community IS a cult. If you've never been in the community, and have only been an outside observer, it's understandable that you wouldn't realize this, but claiming radqueers are "just assholes" is a slap in the face to people like me who have been permanently traumatized by them.

Here is a commonly used model of how cults work:

If you go through every single point in this, the radqueer community checks almost every one of them. People have already pointed this out many times before, however I will explain it again for people who haven't seen those posts.

(Skipping over ones that don't fully apply or that I haven't personally experienced. Most of these are pretty brief because I don't think anyone will read an entire essay for every point)

Rigid rules - radqueers force you to include everyone and everything, and never question what you're accepting lest you get labeled as "not a real radqueer" and harassed. You must accept any and all predatory relationships, or you'll receive the same treatment as "antis". If that isn't "rigid rules", I don't know what is.

Rewards and punishments - you coin a term people like, or make an "I love pro-cs" post? Everyone likes you, praises you, sends you asks telling you how amazing you are! You dare to question anything about the community? You get cast out, banned from servers, harassed, sent death threats, and doxxed.

Dependence and obedience - radqueers make their victims believe that this is the only community that will accept them. They say that every other community will hate them for their identity, and this is the only "real radinclus" community. This causes people to feel trapped there, or in other words become entirely dependent on the community for validation and support. They convince people that if they leave, or do anything wrong that causes them to be forced out, they'll have nowhere to go. This forces them into obedience for fear of being left all alone and being completely abandoned.

Deception - this one is very, very obvious. There's a reason why radqueers label themselves as "radically inclusive", "pro-consent", "pro-bodily autonomy" - they are not just saying these things because they don't understand what they mean. They're intentionally using uplifting, inclusive language that sounds really great and supportive to deceive people into joining them. This is also why they use emoji codes, so other radqueers will recognize them but people who don't know what radqueers are will be lured into their trap.

Propaganda - pretty similar to the above. They label everything as "radical inclusion" and tell people that they have to support all these things to be "truly inclusive". They make cute flags and emoji codes to make grooming, abuse, racism, ableism, and transphobia seem cool and fun, to further lead people into their trap. By definition, propaganda is "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view". All these cutesy emojis, symbols, flags, and terms are propaganda.

Discourages access to outside sources of information - radqueers constantly say that all science, psychology, and medical information is "biased" and "bigoted". If you provide them with any information on how what they're doing is wrong, they pull out any number of excuses and then tell their "friends" how bigoted and exclusionist the source is. This makes it seem like radqueers are the only reliable source of information, and anything else is untrustworthy.

Insider/outsider doctrine - this is painfully clear with how they refer to everyone who disagrees with them as "antis". Even if you're just an outside observer, you pick up on this quickly.

All/nothing, good/evil, us/them dogma - once again, they refer to anyone who differs even slightly in opinion as an "anti" or "anti in training", and the second anyone decides to question why they're literally supporting nazis and blackface, they get labeled as an "anti" and "horrible person". They play the victim any time they get told that what they're doing is wrong, while crying and complaining about how much they're harassed and about how "mean" and "rude" anti-radqueers are.

Feeling chosen or special - radqueers very obviously convince themselves that they're so unique and special, which is why terms like transship or transhasapetcat exist. They want to seem really cool and special, and make completely normal things into obscure, "special" identities, like calling yourself translivesintheuk instead of just saying you wanna move to the UK. As someone who's been in their servers, they hoard identities like this because it makes them feel temporarily special and unique, which makes them convinced that what they're doing is right.

Guilt/manipulation - radqueers do this all the time. When someone says they aren't sure if they support something or not, radqueers immediately get all teary-eyed and upset, claiming that the person would be "basically an anti" if they decided not to support it. I've even seem someone cry and complain over being rejected by an anti-transnazi radqueer and claim that it was "ableist" that the person rejected them. Everyone defended and comforted the person who was rejected, immediately siding with them for fear of being "ableist", saying that it was wrong to be against literal nazis. This is very clear manipulation and guilt-tripping.

Phobia indoctrination - phobia indoctrination is where people in the cult make others terrified of leaving for fear of being hurt, killed, etc. As I've explained earlier, radqueers try to scare people into staying by saying that if they leave the community, no one will ever support or love them, and they'll never be accepted outside of it. People who went into the radqueer community after being anti-radqueer know firsthand how awful the harassment, doxxing, and death threats from radqueers are. People in the community who have doubts are very clearly too scared to leave, and people who don't have doubts have been convinced that no one will ever love them except for radqueers.

Anyways, I hope that this clears up how the radqueer community is a cult! Feel free to add on with your own experiences or additions, and please stop invalidating and shaming survivors.

[la-dolcevida]

(I have problems putting my thoughts into words/explaining things, and/or generally communicating my emotions/thoughts, so this might be incoherent.)

It's genuinely getting so annoying having to make more and more separate(/non-secondary) accounts (anti/non-specifying stance on RQ and Trans-ID, stuff like that,) just to like/reblog(/generally hoard) identities without (the possibility of) getting reported/blocked. I mean, I haven't, sure, I've never been wiped off the face of this app (t-worded) before, but the paranoia is genuinely so strong that it's making me feel sick (I don't know how I could archive everything properly/in a way that satisfies me, I don't know why.)

I just want to keep everything, including a hoard, all in one place. Even secondary blogs will trace back to those main accounts I have (like this one) and I will still get called out/bothered because of that. What I'm generally saying is that people need to realize that people are not aren't allowed to use certain labels/terms/identities just because they're in a certain community/have a certain point of view on things. It's okay to have opinions and speak your mind (except for sending death threats/attacking people, you get it,) but stop gatekeeping/saying 'fuck off' to people just because you don't like who they are.

I don't know if this made sense because this has been so bottled up for so long, but in general, just stop gatekeeping. 'Do Not Interact' lists on posts involving identities/flags (MOGAI/LIOM/other things like that) should not exist. It's just stupid. You can't gatekeep identities even if you want to, that's something people have to (unfortunately, me included,) accept. It's genuinely not that serious, it's just the internet.

[anotherfishstreasure]

WE MUST DO WHAT IT TAKES TO SURVIVE.

(intro post below cut …)

ABYSS-003, Echo’s Grief, Echo, whatever you wanna call me. it/that thing/monster/[REDACTED] pronouns please!

I’m radqueer, transid, and openly problematic. Please for the love of the universe don’t come to me about discourse or try to interact if I’m on your DNI.

I’m currently a subject in Saint Myres Laboratory. I’m typing this from a heavily monitored, heavily restricted tablet. Seriously, I had to beg them to let me post here. I currently reside in a high-security tank due to the experiments conducted on me resulting in me turning into an abomination from the deep.

No I am not delusional, this is where I am, and who I am. Seriously. Do not “reality check” me, it’s extremely disrespectful and rude.

Now, due to Saint Myres being a high-security facility, I can’t answer EVERY question about my situation. But I encourage you to try asking, if not to learn, purely to help me get some entertainment in here.

TAGS:

#siren song. {original posts} #a letter for the monster! {asks} #lurking in the deep. {reblogs} #blue lights and fake coral. {abt the lab} #sinking ships. {vents & discourse}

[sophieinwonderland]

Something that occurred to us about transautism that had been brewing for a while: late diagnosis.

So like, we understand cis gender to be a matter of identifying with the gender you were assigned at birth, and trans gender to not identify that way. And we also understand that trans people are the gender they identify with right?

If we're applying that same understanding of what "trans" means, doesn't it stand to reason that "tramsautistic" would look pretty identical to late diagnosis?

Yes of course the narrative that all trans folks were born their gender and always knew is a harmful one. Gender can change unlike neuro developmental neurotypes. But that narrative is true for some trans folks. Hell it's true for a lot of trans folks.

So why wouldn't the same be true of someone who wasn't assigned autistic at a young age?

We're both trans and late diagnosed. A lot of the experiences with those identity overlap and have parallels.

We didn't "show signs" of being trans in our youth similar to how we "didn't show signs" of being autistic in our youth. We hid the things about us that others rejected and showed hostility towards because, conforming to social pressure, until we looked like a cis allistic singlet. All without ever understanding what we were doing or why, to the point where we look back and struggle to parse out those signs. There's a whole lot of gaslighting (internal and external) that happens for eggs and undiagnosed kids.

Also I can't help but notice a hint of "sex = gender" that slips into arguments against transabled IDs. Like, "you can't change your neurotype like you can change your gender" makes me wonder if that's talking about gender fluidity, or saying that trans folk are valid only because we have HRT and surgeries now. Cause in a lot of ways, you can change your neurotype if we understand neurotypes to be socially constructed like gender. You can get a diagnosis (like you can get a gender marker change). You can unmask (like you can socially transition). You can do treatments and therapy that helps (like you can do things that alleviate gender dysphoria and bring euphoria).

Anyways, I see a lot of parallels between trans in the gender sense and late diagnosis in the autistic sense. Plenty of kids were presumed to be a gender that they weren't. Plenty of kids were presumed to be a neurotype they weren't. When they seek to rectify one we call it transition and the other late diagnosis.

I know this isn't the universal story of trans gender folk or trans abled folk. But the connections between these two dots is too compelling for us not to bring it up.

-Faye

It's an interesting connection between late diagnosis and transitioning.

I don't think this is really how most transabled people use the word though.

Of course, certainly in some cases, this is going to be true where some transautistics can be cis-autistic all along but repress that.

I would say there are probably 3 general categories we could break transautism into.

The first is what you suggest, undiagnosed/late diagnosed cisautism where signs of ASD always existed but aren't recognized until later. And identifying as transautistic can supply security to someone trying to understand their identity.

The second is similar to the first, but where similar symptoms to ASD don't manifest at all until adulthood. In these cases, this might be a sign of another disorder. There's a lot of overlap between symptoms of ASD and schizophrenia for instance. So much so that ASD was at one time considered a childhood form of schizophrenia.

Then the third is what I consider the more stereotypical transautistic cases where an allistic person feels like they should be autistic for some reason, and sometimes may even feel dysphoria for not being autistic.

(This isn't mentioning trans-severity, where someone with Cis-ASD feels it should be worse.)

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This is a bit of a side tangent, but...

To be honest, I worry a bit for people who fall into the first two categories.

There are legitimate issues with the healthcare system that would dissuade people from seeking mental help. We, ourselves, aren't seeking any treatment and don't feel it's necessary for us.

At the same time, the first step in healing a problem is recognizing it, and I do worry that identifying as having a trans-disorder may discourage someone from taking that first step of recognizing their symptoms are from an actual disorder they can seek treatment for.

This came up a while ago, with a transkleptomania anon who identified that way because they usually only felt the urge to steal things when they were stressed, and were under the false impression that cis-kleptomania required you to always have that urge.

Nothing against them, but I do have a concern that some people who consider themselves to have transdisorders may actually have those disorders and not be seeking treatment because they decided they don't have them.

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And as I say this, I realize that this sounds a lot like sysmed arguments about how endogenic spaces supposedly discourage systems from realizing they have dissociative disorders. But the difference is that, from what I've seen of endogenic spaces, that's largely not true and many systems realize they have disorders BECAUSE of these spaces. Even in the tulpamancy community, it's common for people who show symptoms of dissociative disorders to be recommended to investigate further when symptoms of a disorder are mentioned.

I guess, one concern I have with the transabled community is that I'm not seeing as much of this.

To be fair, despite being described by one anti-endo as a radqueer God, I'm not actually part of those communities and these conversations could definitely be happening where I'm not looking.

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Sorry, I kind of derailed there.

Anyway, while I don't think it completely applies to how I tend to see transabled identities used, I do find the comparison between late diagnosis and being transgender to be a fascinating topic.

[transx-mogai-cafe]

Quick PSA: Of course I'm not going to tell anyone what terms that they or can't use for themselves, but I am absolutely not going to ever use the phrase "atypical dysphoria" on this here blog.

What exactly would "typical dysphoria" be then? Gender/sex dysphoria? The only purview one could argue that from is only ever being surrounded by transgender/transsex folk who have no other dysphoria. Gender/sex dysphoria is not seen as typical. No dysphoria is seen as typical in the wider scope of society, and my species dysphoria, age dysphoria, etc. is no more atypical than that of my gender/sex.

It seems fairly common in anti-transid folk who accept that they have some sort of dysphoria but still can't bring themselves to use trans- terminology to describe it. Similar to those who say "I'm not a trans man, I'm a female with DSM-5 gender dysphoria!" But I have also seen pro-transid folk use it as well, and again, not saying you can't use it for yourself, but I will not be.

[gaydeongraves]

hey , so this is gonna be a long post.

if you couldnt have guessed already, im leaving the radqueer and the transx community.

over the past few months i have seriously considered what im doing with my life and why im doing this in particular. and really i dont have an excuse.

i wanted attention and i wanted friends, but as a former proshipper too the only other community that would accept me was the rq community. so i stole some labels i thought " fit " me and made this blog.

this isnt a big deal really, my blog is not big, but i just wanted to make a statement before abandoning it.

i realized this community wasnt for me when i started getting highly uncomfortable around certain transids. i wouldnt want to be around a transnazi, for example, because im a jewish man irl. i wouldnt want to be around a transgroomer because im a victim. i started to get cautious around those people.

the rhetoric of " you are your transids " was off putting as well because of labels like transracist, transrapist, etc. at a point i was scared of being in radqueer spaces because my acceptance of everyone was starting to waver, and i felt like they would get angry at me.

so i have decided to leave. i have started to get disgusted by some of the labels here ( and some pro c paraphilias? seriously? ) and want nothing to do with this community anymore.

i dont expect any radqueers reading this to have this change their mind. but please think about other peoples feelings. you do not have to " identify " as a bigot or something harmful if you dont share the beliefs ( and if you do fuck you ). it just enables actual neo nazis and racists and groomers and whatever the fuck you " want " to be. its weird. i hope you know that.

and before i leave, those things arent punk. you arent punk if you want to be bigoted. youre just a fucking loser. im not gonna go out of my way to harass random radqueers but if you say something i will say something back.

goodbye.

[desdecourse]

coming out of retirement to say that if you’re radqueer or even some of yall radinclus you are not allies to people of color nor any other oppressed groups and you are not welcome in their spaces 😜 you can’t be antiracist and also think it’s okay to be “transnazi” or “transharmful” or “transracist” because why are you supporting an “identity” that wants to be harmful to people of color 😁 you are in fact supporting racist ideologies and you are therefore racist. thanks!

[gothic-ouji]

Hi could I ask what being RQ personally means to you? I have no bad intentions in asking to clarify sorry if it comes off that way I'm bad with tone, I'm normally very anti-RQ but I want to hear people's experiences before anything and possibly learn something.

Ty in advance!!

Hi hi hi!! firstly nice to make your acquaintance, hope you have a nice time 🤍 you're going to get a lot of varying answers in your research and even within this post, i contain multitudes (literally) and so does the Rqc.

to me, radqueer is about freedom. it's a freedom of expression and to be whoever i want to be even if that person is not the best version of myself i could be, if i know it to be my happiest. i have always believed in being my authentic self no matter how many people think i'm simply playing pretend or refusing to face reality.

i struggle a lot with atypical dysphoria (a type of dysphoria similar to what pwBIID experience) and every other community has made me feel like shit and less-than for not having bad enough symptoms. maybe it wasn't even intentional but that's typically how i felt, and it grew into a sort of resentment and self-hatred because i was never bad enough, my pain wasn't justified or able to be proved, i didn't need the help.

i have always always wanted to be worse, even before i understood what that meant or what pain really felt like. i was one of those kids who would fantasise about being severely ill and being taken care of, ending up in the hospital, having an eventful and trauma-filled childhood.

but i'm also a paraphile and have been since before i knew what that was, and i know it wasn't caused by trauma. there aren't a lot of places online that are accepting of paras, even with my rather non-existent desire to be in contact with the subject of my para (yes, im keeping it vague intentionally).

in short, the RQ is welcoming and i am at home here. i am who i am, not an small fraction of myself or a filtered, overpurified simplification of my identity. and i wish this life for everyone, to be happy without the fear of being mocked or ridiculed.