#Anti mcu

[icepandawarrior]

HOW I LOVE MY UNHINGED WIFE 😍

[celiaelise]

Just saw some gifsets and stills of the new Fantastic 4 movie, and it looks sooooo creatively bereft istg 🤦🏻‍♀️

The most interesting thing about it is that it's a sixties period piece, but it feels like they're mostly just using that as an excuse to make more conservative choices.

I mean, I've always hated superhero comics movies, (not to brag but literally when the first avengers and capt America movies came out, I was like...🤨 do we need to be doing this? Like, as a society?) and I really don't think the Fantastic 4 is a strong enough concept to have the cultural longevity it's had, so, like, obviously I'm not the target audience here. But I feel movies such as this*, really speak to what a dire place we're in, culturally.

*full of (white-ish) people put on screen to be attractive before anything else, especially the women. seeming to promote "traditional values". Not making any effort to be subversive or original, not even via mediocre humor. Leaning into nostalgia and "weren't the aesthetics so good back then?" as a way to avoid coming up with new ideas or asking any hard questions.

I know you may be thinking, "Elise, you haven't even watched the trailer for yourself, let alone the actual movie; give it a chance!"

Well, the point of a trailer is to show what a movie is about and what it's going to be like! Even if the draw of your movie is that it's mysterious and you won't know much until you watch it, that's typically communicated somehow via the trailers. AND I'm familiar enough with tumblr to understand that the moments that get giffed or posted about are usually the ones that excite the fandom the most, so it's safe to assume that there wasn't some really cool or shocking reveal in the trailer that nobody happened to post about.

And what I saw being advertised in this trailer was conventionality, nostalgia, and a general concept of Commercial White Prettiness. With the caveat that, though the story has a historical setting, the women--mainly the one lone woman--have to be Pretty in a way that measures up to 2025 Instagram standards. Obviously being Pretty in a 1960s way wouldn't be sufficient.

(Also obviously I know Pedro Pascal is Latino. If you choose to focus on that over everything else, you are being successfully played by the Disney Corporation.)

[captainlordauditor]

Some more observations from Marvel Boyfriend who described himelf as "In the Trenches"

The frustration with the juggernautness of MCU stucky has resulted in a backlash against comics stucky which manifests itself in bizarre claims about canon that don't hold up to scrutiny in order to put down the ship ("Steve was Bucky's father figure" most notably)

The comparatively small cast and short history of the MCU vs Marvel comics has resulted in a singlemindedness about shipping. Captain America comics have been running more or less continuously, with a new issue every month, since the 70s, and X Men since the 80s, so characters have more detailed history with each other. Captain America MCU on the other hand, has like... 4 movies and 2 tv shows. Which makes it much easier to exclusively ship one or two (nonconflicting) ships, and therefore to get into ship wars. Meanwhile Boyfriend as a comics fan is going "well I like Stucky but I also like Bucky with Clint and Logan and Natasha and...." As he put it:

At a certain point you've watched all the movies and TV shows and you're bored. But you can't admit that you're bored, so you have to engage in the media in some other way. And because the movies are modern and made for general audiences and heavily sanitized and very black and white, you end up shoehorned into one ship or another, swallowing the lie that Disney is obsessed with that there's "one true love" (because it's Disney at the end of the day, it's a company founded on fairytales and happy endings).

Personally I don't think Disney is fully to blame for the hypermonogamy centricism in fandom, because I've seen it everywhere from MCU to niche YA novel and musical fandoms. But I do think he raises a good point about running out of things to read.

....maybe that's why Trekkies seem so chill.

I saw someone asking why it’s harder and less likely to find community of people who like discussing Marvel comics on tumblr compared to DC comics. And fundamentally, the main reason is it is incredibly hard to maintain fannish community and conversation when the property is heavily overshadowed by a more mainstream adaption.

It’s not even the MCU (though the MCU just obliterating the ability to use tags does not help). It’s Stucky. Trying to have a fandom exist in the shadow of a Monster Ship That Ate Fandom is an exhausting experience, and tumblr was the epicentre of that.

Like, no wonder most Marvel comics fandom hangs out together in other places. I’ve done the ‘actually I’m a fan of the niche source material this is adapted from, not the adaption’ thing before and it is exhausting, having to constantly reassert your boundaries on what you’re discussing. It’s even more exhausting when all anyone wants to talk about is a ship you don’t really care about and has no relationship to the corner of the fandom you are into, so you can’t get away from it, and you’re on a platform where it’s very hard to restrict/stay away from other groups as you’re all jumbled up together.

Like to be fair, my own interest in Marvel tends to be pretty niche and restricted to a few properties (I could burble more about Power Pack and Katie Power here but you know, we only get occasional material), so I’m not IN it in it.

But if you want to know why? That’s probably the reason. MCU Avengers fandom and Stucky in particular were a comet strike that scoured out the ability for tumblr to function as a platform to discuss Marvel comics. Stucky is kudzu, strangling out any other discussion.

[swarnim29]

You're not a real marvel fan unless you hate marvel

[mwagneto]

fascinated by just how much marvel movies (and shows) managed to perfect the formula of making 2 male characters Just gay enough that the fans who want that will go UMMM IT'S NOT BAIT THEY'RE LITERALLY GAY LOOK!!!! but not too gay that homophobes even pick up on there being any subtext let alone get mad. extremely insidious form of bait. obvious examples being fatws and loki and more recently deadpool 3 and now venom 3

[remysrogue]

how it feels knowing i dont have to care about another mcu movie

[swarnim29]

Steve 'honourable' Rogers

*lied on his enrollment forms 5 times*

Steve "leader" Rogers

*got distracted by the mention of the name of his long-lost bestie and killed 11 people in lagos*

Steve "righteous" Rogers

*only does what he thinks is right, has no regard for rules or authority*

Steve "Captain America" Rogers

*broke 50 laws, defied 117 nations, and put his teammates in Raft cell to protect a super skilled brainwashed assassin*

I'll never ever get over why people think steve actually deserves to be captain america. You can like him all you want, hell he can be ur fav character but if you don't see behind all this so-called bravado then you're just, well, dumb.

Steve Rogers "I don't like bullies so I shall join the US military about it" the world's stupidest idiot.

[hatchetfield-scarecrow]

MCU Doctor Doom casting…

[agent13ronnie]

Propaganda I am not falling for

white Maximoff twins

Sharon Carter as a villain

Phyla Vell as Drax’s daughter

Sharon Carter as Steve’s niece

white Doctor Doom

Frank Rambeau not being in Monica’s life

Janet and Hank not being Avengers

Sharon Carter not being the first female director of SHIELD

Sharon Carter not being Commander Carter

Rhodey is a skrull

[justsamwilson]

This blog was created for loving and appreciating the character of Sam Wilson.

And while for years, we have been anticipating the next time we'll get to see Anthony Mackie on screen, playing our favourite character, and proving to everyone how he IS Captain America, this is a reminder that Captain America: Brave New World has been directly called out by the BDS movement (a nearly 20 year old movement created by Palestinians), and we have been asked to boycott it in its entirety.

A zionist settler has been cast. Disney itself has donated $2 million to Israeli relief groups.

it is incredibly saddening that we won't be able to watch one of our favourite's character's long awaited film, but our interest and love for this character, and for superheroes/comics/movies as a whole, are no where near more important then standing up alongside Palestinians, and doing all we can to help them and to listen to their requests.

Join me in boycotting the film. Pirate it if you must.

[portraitofadyke]

I’m sorry but I can’t shut up, why give Sam and Bucky a connection that’s rare to see in the MCU, make Bucky happy again with the Wilson’s, make Sam let him into his world, only to make him miserable government who’s cranky and clearly uncomfortable and ALSO set him up against sam?? If marvel makes him fight Sam, it’s on sight

[shipper88]

As far as changing characters' personalities goes, Marvel only got it right with Karen Page. Because I don't like the whole porn star-addict thing. A thousand points for the MCU just for this one.

[burn-4u]

World of Warcraft character creation screen

[fancylala4]

Well, Disney cancelled the Okoye spinoff.

It’s amazing how a company can fuck up a franchise that has given them the most accolades within the mcu. We all know why that is but it still sucks.

[swarnim29]

In civil war,

Tony is the one Steve chose to lie to. Tony was the one who was deprived of his own history because Steve decided to put his moral code on hold. Tony was the one who experienced Steve's hypocrisy firsthand (cue the omitted line from the trailer, "I was wrong about you. The whole world was wrong about you.")

Tony's probably the single Avenger who's been so thoroughly let down by Steve, by Steve's own choice, after years of Steve treating him as a moral inferior, and to me, that's where the "dark side" thing is. I think it says a lot that, in the wake of finding out about his parents' assassination, Tony still stops and turns to ask if Steve knew. It mattered to him, whether or not Steve had been lying.

was certain that a killing blow was going to follow. In that moment, Tony was just as justified in thinking Steve was going to kill him, as Steve was to think Tony was going to kill Bucky if he had a chance.

Also regarding the fight: if we take Tony's perspective on this, it really doesn't matter what we know Steve was trying to accomplish - when worst came to worst, in the heat of the moment, Tony really did think Steve was going to bring the shield down on his head and kill him, so he tries to protect his face. I don't think anyone else - not even Wanda and Pietro, when they were antagonizing the Avengers - had a moment when they honest to God thought Steve Rogers was going to kill them. And yeah, there's a whole rational argument that says "he wouldn't have done it if Tony hadn't gone ballistic on Bucky and beaten Steve to a pulp in the process," but none of that negates the fact that Steve took Tony, a very un-enhanced human being in a pressurized metal can and beat him in the head several times to the point where Tony

Anyway, yes, Steve and Bucky definitely saw Tony at his ugliest, most violent breaking point, and that sure is a dark side, but it's really not all that a dark side can be, and it's not what Tony meant when he first brought it up to Steve in Age of Ultron, when Steve was giving him lip about keeping secrets.

[magnetostits]

magneto being in avengers doomsday is horrible news for me actually i don’t want the mcu anywhere near him