#Krang 1 x krang 3

[calabazafantasma]

🦎🐙TIRED KRANG, SMART, BELIEVER🐙🦎

Hola mis panas! Por suerte ya me estoy medio recuperando ya puedo retomar mas o menos mi rutina aunque aun sigo con algo de paranoico de que vuelva ya que es la tercera vez que me vuelve a pasar lo mismo y ya me preocupa un la verdad pero ya dejemos de hablar de mi y mi hermosa vida

Hoy tenemos contenido de Kronos x krugnar no se crean se que les gusta, hice unos bocetos de ellos estaba algo aburrido la verdad bueno vamos con el primer dibujo.

Quise hacer un dibujo de Kronos y rico osea mi oc, ellos al principio se llevaron muy pero muy mal literalmente no se querían pero se soportaban por el krang chiquito por la condición tan delicada en la que se encontraba en esos momentos ya que este se estaba debilitando casi como si estuviera enfermo pero sin estarlo,para rico fue mas fácil llevarse bien con la hermana que con Kronos.

Ya me imagino a Kronos usando maquillaje jejeje aunque la verdad no se ve mal y menos con delineador.

Hay el amor lo que hace hacer a uno, literal krugnar es la debilidad de Kronos y a la vez su arma secreta muajajaja...

Ya tengo una idea para un dibujo de Kronos teniendo un bolso de esos de mano y que lleve a krugnar ahi XD sería re lindo y que después kronorag termine lanzando lo para que Kronos vaya por el pero el que lo hace termina siendo rico.

Uyyyy~... Eso me prende

No mentira! La verdad es que me encanta dibujarlos no se son lindos juntos aunque suene raro aunque pobre de rapha lo que tuvo qué ver y escuchar durante el tiempo en la que estuvo krangcificado... Mierda ya me llego otra idea para otro Mini Cómic jeje

Y bueno este es el dibujo completo espero que les haya gustado y bla bla bla ya se la saben el dispositivo XD jajaja na mentira ustedes saben que los amo mucho y se merecen ver mas de mis dibujos y bueno nada recuerden tomen cafecito les digo bye bye, chao, sayonara!!!

Cómo quieres que le diga que ya no quieres nada más~

Sayonara!

[calabazafantasma]

De nada mi pana es un placer para mi hacer que otros se obsesionen con el krang de rise jejejej de verdad nunca pensé que llegaría a inspirar a alguien con mi ¿arte? Bueno pero de verdad gracias ¿y como le hago para que mis dibujos queden así? Pues con mucha fe mijo XD porque yo tampoco se y como regalo te hice esto!!! :D

Un mini comic!!! (si es que se le pude llamar así 🥲)

Un Kronos preñao!!! (osea asi fue como llame al krang 1) la verdad no eh perdido el toque y eso que llevo TIEMPO sin dibujarlos.

Hay como amo al krang chiquito (o como yo lo llame krugnar 😌) es la cosa mas hermosa qué mis ojos an visto UwU es mi bebe y amo mucho el krang 1 x krang 3 es mi obsesión y recuerda toma cafecito. 🎃☕🧡🇻🇪

Miren esa cara toda hermosa~

Hellooooo

Buenos dias tarde noches

Idk

Nomas decirle a @calabazafantasma que me encanta tu arte y el como dibujas y pintas,de verda como le haces? y gracias por obsecionarme con el Krang pasivo y preñao👍

[goodlucktai]

raised on little light (1/3)

rise of the tmnt word count: 2k pairing: leo & oc i've had this idea rattling around since the rise farewell comic earlier this year made it canon that the turtles had another brother and a sister floating around somewhere. we know who their sister is, so this is my take on that 5th brother. i hope you enjoy meeting him <3 big thank you to @soldrawss and @mykimouser for enabling my insane behavior (and thank you again to sol for drawing the art i included in this chapter!!!) title borrowed from northern attitude by noah kahan read on ao3

x

2020

Leo regretted his last words as soon as they left his mouth.

“Hero moves are totally your style”? As if Raph doesn’t have enough issues already.

But what he meant—what he would have tried to explain if there was time—was that Raph is his hero. He’s always been Leo’s hero. And if Leo could be anything like him, even for a second, even if it was the last thing he ever did, then he could be satisfied with that. 

It’s a silly thing to be stuck thinking about, laying on a torn up chunk of earth with a monster ominously lumbering somewhere below, looking for where it threw its toy. Laying there, feeling every bruise and broken bone, and hoping that he didn’t hurt his big brother’s feelings.

They’ll be okay, Leo thinks, trying to make it be the thing that gives him courage instead of just more homesickness. They’ll miss me, maybe for a long time, but they’ll be okay.

Leo’s supposed to be fighting for his life, but it’s all he can do to keep a grip on the photo in his hand, the only thing in this entire dimension worth holding onto. It’s all he can do to keep his eyes open when every blink is longer than the last. 

It feels like enough of a rebellion. The Krang looked annoyed that he was still breathing the last time it batted him through the void like a fly, which gives Leo the idea that he should probably be dead by now. He feels a detached sort of pride at how grown-up he’s being about all this. Better late than never

Leo waits for the Krang to come for him, dripping his blood and sneering his daddy’s nickname for him hatefully as it does, and hopes he made his family proud. 

Leo hopes he’ll go wherever Gram-gram is. It would be nice to know someone when he gets there. 

Movement in his periphery snags Leo’s attention. His brain starts throwing up warning flags, signaling danger—anything moving around in here is another parasite, or a Krang hound, nothing he’ll want to be sprawled out on a silver platter for—but he can’t summon any urgency. 

He turns his head and finds himself looking up at another turtle. 

It’s the very last thing he expected to see. They both just stare at each other for a moment. 

The newcomer appears to be a few years older than Leo, based on the broadness of their shoulders, and half a head taller. Their skin is more gray than green and their plastron is so pale it’s closer to white than yellow. Their carapace, what Leo can see of it, is a deep blue-black and they’re covered, skin and shell both, in white spots. Two of the spots on their face give the impression of eyebrows lowered in a glare, but they don’t seem angry at him.

The turtle is completely unfamiliar to Leo, which is saying something. He thought he and his family had the monopoly on… this whole situation. 

Disquieted, Leo remembers that he’s supposed to be the only turtle here. That was a very significant part of the decision he’d made. 

It must be a hallucination, he decides, instantly comforted by his own reasoning. That makes sense. He just wished that if his mind was going to conjure him some dying company it could at least be someone he knows. An imaginary Mikey or Donnie or Raphie for one last hug. One last affectionate forehead bonk. An “I still love you,” if that wasn’t asking too much. 

Don’t you cry now, he scolds himself sternly when his eyes start to blur and burn. It’s not about you. 

With a resounding crash of metal against stone, the Krang finds them at last. He’s snarling something that Leo is too slow to piece together before he cuts himself off—surprising the hell out of Leonardo by acknowledging the hallucination. That’s not how that works. 

“Another pest ,” the Krang hisses. His serrated teeth glint when he draws his gummy lips back in an ugly smile. His tone is oily and unpleasant when he adds, “You’re less colorful than those other ones. I would have remembered seeing you. Where were you when your accomplices were fumbling about in my Technodrome like the stupid creatures they are?”

“We won,” Leo reminds the alien, even though it makes him cough. His lips are warm and wet now but he won’t think about why. “Blew up your ugly ship. Who looks stupid now?” 

“Shut your mouth!” the Krang roars, going from slimy to homicidal in about three seconds. Leo cringes, every ounce of animal instinct in his body urging him to hide in his shell and ride the rest of this nightmare out. 

The spotted turtle snaps, “Don’t talk to him.” 

It would have made sense if he was looking at Leo when he said it. Don’t engage, don’t bait the big monster that could kill you with as much effort as it takes you to blink, et cetera ad nauseum. If only he’d had a nickel for every time he heard that. 

But instead the turtle is looking at the Krang, and he’s radiating the kind of cold-blooded murder that you mostly only see in movies. He has one arm flung out in front of Leo like he actually means to use it to stop the Krang from getting any closer. 

“Don’t even look at him,” he goes on, sounding seconds away from baring his teeth. 

This guy is significantly unaware of the danger he’s facing, and Leo ought to warn him about what enormous clusterfuck he’d just wandered into. Leo ought to say he appreciates the reptile solidarity, but you should definitely run, new guy. 

But this probably isn’t actually happening outside of his own head. And besides, Leo has to focus really hard on his numb fingers so he doesn’t drop his photo. 

“I’ll look where I please,” the Krang says, as unbothered by the hallucination as he was by Leo’s entire family. “Starting with that fool head of yours. I’m interested in whatever backdoor led you here. If it���s my way out, well —”

Adrenaline surges through Leo, and he’s hardly aware of moving before he’s lurching up and shouting out, “No!” 

He can’t get out, he can’t. Leonardo won’t be able to trick him again. He won’t be there to help this time. 

“I do have one thing for you,” the spotted turtle interrupts to say, reaching over his shoulder for what turns out to be a compound crossbow strapped to his back. 

Leo doesn’t know a lot about archery so it’s weird his fictional turtle does, crank-cocking the weapon like it’s an extension of his arm. He watches cluelessly as the turtle slides something very purple out of his jacket pocket and notches it into the groove where the bolts are supposed to go. It’s definitely not a bolt, but it’s a piercing-type projectile of some kind, and it fits in the crossbow like it was designed with crossbows in mind. 

The turtle aims the bow at the Krang, who clicks the claws of his metal suit on the ground the way Splinter would drum his fingers on the kitchen counter when he was waiting on the microwave. The Krang looks condescending and mildly curious, like he’s watching dumb little animals do something they’re not trained to do. 

“He told me to tell you he’s sorry he couldn’t be here to see this part,” the spotted turtle says, and then shoots without a second of hesitation or unnecessary dramatics. 

The Krang bats the projectile away, or tries to, but it explodes on contact with his armor, and suddenly all Leo can smell is burning metal. Then burning meat. 

The Krang begins to scream, clawing at something defiantly purple with a mind of its own that eats straight through him the effortless, immediate way corrosive acid chews through soft tissue. It moves like nanotech, covering as much of the Krang as possible in a manner of seconds and clearly designed to consume whatever it touches like a school of cartoon piranhas. 

Donnie would love it, color scheme and all. 

The Krang stumbles drunkenly, howling like a creature possessed, and Leo and his turtle companion both watch silently until he tips over the edge of the hunk of torn earth they’re on. Gravity is nonexistent in this dimension, so he doesn’t so much fall as sort of drift in another direction while he’s distracted with the purple stuff that’s doing its best to eat him alive. 

The last handful of minutes have been so bizarre that it’s actually going pretty far in convincing Leo that none of it happened for real. The Krang hasn’t actually found him yet. This is clearly a dream. Or a pre-death electrical storm as the neurons in his brain fire up to fizzle out.  

He tips his head to the side again to stare up at the archer, who is putting his bow away with perfect confidence that whatever that purple thing was, it will do the job. 

“Who are you?” Leo asks stupidly. 

“Gio,” the probably imaginary turtle replies.

Leo’s mouth runs off before he can stop it. “Just Gio? Like Cher?”

God, he thinks. That was stupid, Leo. Not the time or place, Leo. You’re in the prison dimension. You’re dying here and you can’t even cut the jokes now? Raph was so right about you.

But the imaginary turtle surprises him by smiling slightly, the corners of his mouth pulling just barely upwards in a way that somehow completely transforms him. Not the time or place for jokes or smiling at them but here they are. Like company.

“Giorgio Hamato,” ‘Gio’ says. That lands in Leo’s ears as something remarkably worth making a lot of noise over, but he can’t begin to unpack it. And after a second, he forgets what the remarkable part was. His mind is a deck of cards that got shuffled too enthusiastically and ended up scattered all over the floor. Gio doesn’t seem to mind when Leo just blinks at him, adding, “I’m here to take you home.”  

“Pretty sure Uber doesn’t come out this far,” Leo mumbles, the words a paint smear, all thick and wet and muddy. One of his teeth feels broken and it’s keeping him awake, a blistering ache that cracks through the back of his mouth like lightning. “And I’ve got, like, zero bars.”

This is how I cope, he thinks, watching the bigger turtle absorb the second bad joke in as many minutes. Leo’s blinking fast so he doesn’t cry. He’s trying to focus on anything but the pain radiating through his whole body, and the swallowing darkness all around him, and the ruins of ancient metal ships looming where they float unrestricted by gravity, and the ballistic howls of a pissed-off pink alien still dealing with whatever the heck this Gio guy did to him.

He can’t focus on any of that because all of that is scary and he’s already terrified. He needs to not be terrified because he doesn’t want to be that kind of ghost when he haunts his family. He wants to be the friendly, funny kind, the kind that gets to stay at the end of the movie, the kind that will make silly faces at Mikey so he doesn’t get scared, and leave sticky notes for Donnie to remember to charge his phone and drink enough water, and cover Raphie with an extra blanket while he’s asleep because it gets cold at night but he always leaves his bedroom door open for them.

If Leo’s friendly and funny, if he helps, he’ll get to stay. He didn’t get to stay the first time, so this time he has to make it stick.

Larger hands wrap around his. It doesn’t register for a second, and then it does in a big way.

Leo jerks his head up. Moving just that much hurts like his ribs are broken all the way down and the bones in his leg have all melted into liquid agony, but it clears some of the fog away.

Someone is holding his hands in the prison dimension.

An alien like the Krang wouldn’t know the first thing about the human gesture, the togetherness of it, so it’s not some mean trick that’s being played. And it can’t be an imaginary turtle that Leo dreamed up, after all, because kindness would be the last thing he’d give himself.

Possibly very real Gio says, “Fuck Uber. Whatever that is. And don’t repeat that word.”

The punchy breath Leo chokes in is going to punch out again as a laugh or a sob. Leo squeezes the bigger turtle’s hands, photo crinkling between them, suddenly tethered to something in this void and hysterically certain that he’ll die for real if Gio lets go.

“I’m sixteen.” Leo’s voice wobbles. He doesn’t know what to react to first. He doesn’t understand how this is happening. He holds on. “I can say the fuck word if I want to, I’m practically an adult.”

Gio’s face does something it hurts to look at. His eyes are dark and sincere, the shape of them entirely familiar. There’s a warmth inside him that permeates the gloom. A star belonging to a much larger galaxy, but more significantly, belonging to the same crooked constellation Leo belongs to.

I know you, he thinks, surprised by the truth of it. I do. Where have you been?

“We’re going home,” Gio says, the certainty in his voice like one of those huge stones a river parts around, unmoved by the currents and crashing water. “I know the way out. Don’t worry about it. Close your eyes.”   

The worst thing that could happen has already happened, Leo thinks. There’s no reason not to trust him. There’s nothing left to lose. He closes his eyes.

He feels himself drawn in, tucked against the built-in armor of a turtle chest, head resting on a broad shoulder. He’s been carried like this a million times before. He didn’t think it would happen again. Somewhere along the line, he’d been picked up for the last time and put down for the last time, and now he’s here, where no one who loves him can reach him, to scoop him up when he falls asleep on the sofa and take him to bed.

But Gio lifts him up like he’s still a kid. The Krang is bellowing hateful promises in between the grating shrieks of pain, promises of what he’ll do when he gets his hands on Leo, but all of that is far away. 

Leo isn’t afraid anymore. He isn’t going to be a ghost.

He’s pretty sure he’s going home.   

[tmnt-multiverse-election]

Current Nominees

Updated 8/14/24 (if you recieved more nominations, there will be a + showing how many)

I am tagging the creators so they know if they've been nominated. If they wish to retract the nomination, they can let me know.

Donnie @phykoha (Tiny Mutant Feral Turtles) - 1

Future Leo @nani-nonny (Reunion) - 1

Tenoch Oroku @gelu-the-babosa-multiversal (Forgotten Clan) - 1

Donnie @consume6810 - 1

Omega @kathaynesart (Replica) - 15 +14

Mikey @seaghosstt (TMNT: Bay Area) - 1

Reticent Leo @tmnt-reticent (Reticent) - 1

April @theartofeverything (In This Together) - 1

Donnie @kaysdenofchaos (Teenage Mutant Meddling Turtles) - 2 +1

Venus @ (Jumpstart Separated) - 1

Sensei Donatello @theredponcho (Microwave) - 1

Swanattello @tangledinink (Swanattello) - 1

Mikey @ (Deep Water) - 1

Dai @sweeneydino (Paper Scales/Little Dragons) - 6 +5

Hamato Antonello @ants-turquoisewave (Led Astray) - 2

Kasey Jones @caseyjones-junior (Krang Parasite) - 2 +1

Baby Mikey @pezhead (Age Gap) - 1

Mikey's Cat @anomalysstuff (Anomaly) - 1

Splinter @broken-slime-boi (Grayscale) - 2 +1

Yuichi Usagi @azucar-skull (Feral Casey) - 2 +1

Marcelo @irequirealobotomy (Just Around The Corner) - 2 +1

Leonardo @dancingthesambaa (Star Blind) - 1

Cerise Mylene Hamato @fanartmayhem (Mikey's Unplanned Purpose) - 1

Calamari @cokoweee (Quilt) - 1

Glamrock Raph @thejade-forest (RotTMNT x SB)

Ghost @amevello-blue (Ghost In The Shell) - 3 +2

Casey Jones Jr @delicatechildwitch (Old Soul) - 1

Shelldon @mostlyvoid-partiallyturtles (Lifetime Achievement Award) - 1

Donatello @kaysdenofchaos (Battle Scars) - 2 +1 & Leo

Little Leo @misshowdoyoudo (Reminiscing That Old Time) - 1

Maro @eternalleader - 1

Villain Mikey @onionninjasstuff (Villain PB&J) - 3 +2

Future Leo @cosmoscrow (Odd Man Out) - 2 +1

Donnie @jacky_fruit3529 (Deep Water) - 1

Cassandra Jones @gremlinscomics (Check Yourself Before You Wreck Yourself) - 1

Donatello @cryptidofthecove - 2

Caiji @gornackeaterofworlds (Butterfly Effect) - 4 +1

Mustachello @revitalizationrat (Mustachello) - 4 +1

Poptart @intotheelliwoods (2 Arms Left) - 4

Toast @intotheelliwoods (2 Arms Left) - 5 +2

Liam @fishsticksloser (Last Echoes) - 6 +1

NEW

Krangified Donnie @abbeyofcyn (Krangified Donnie) - 1

Raphael @thegunnsara (Hamato Warriors) - 1

Feral Leo @cupcakeslushie (feral Leo au) - 2

Kid Leo @angelpuns (Kid Leo au) - 1

August Hamato @star-sparkler (August Hamato) - 2

Leo @villainleoau (Villain Leo au) - 1

Raphael @remedyturtles (Firefight) - 1

Hop @nights-flying-fox (Dimention Hopper Leo) - 2

Future Leo @loryska2 (GooseyLeo) - 1

Leo @andistarbee (Extra) - 1

Brook @

Feral Donnie @kittynomore (Snapper Lou) - 2

Mikey @allyheart707 (Little Subjects) - 2

Prince DubbleBubble @sketchiefoxie (Rottmnt x Adventure Time) - 1

Frigid Leon @sketchiefoxie (Rottmnt x Adventure Time) - 1

Mikey @tizeline (Tiz Sep) - 3

Draxum @tizeline (Tiz Sep) - 1

Donnie @tizeline (Tiz Sep) - 1

Leo @nights-flying-fox & @mostlyvoid-partiallyturtles (Gentle Hands I Don't Recall) - 1

Micheal @gingerchickens (Astray) - 1

Leo @kathaynesart (Replica) - 1

Chompy @probably-not-a-rutabaga (Mutant Chompy) - 1

You have until the end of Friday this week to nominate. Show creators some support, ask them questions, and have fun.

[acquainted-guy]

TMNT OC x Canon Submission

Can't believe this is my first proper post haha But I've joined in the new @tmnt-ocxcanon-comp, and I wanted to share more about a Rise of the TMNT OC of mine I have submitted; Ben Wright!! In my Rise AU (which I greatly need to post more of lol) he's dating Rise Leo!

Art by @/shi0ch1ch1 on Twitter

Here's more details about Ben:

• Ben Wright “Luminos”

• Age - 17 years old (when meeting Leo, about 3-4 months after the Movie, when Leo is 17 too).

• Species - Half-Human, Half-Lumos (subspecies of Yokai that create crystals, form weapons and can turn themselves into crystal form too). His Grandmother was a Lumos with her son Nick (Ben’s father) inheriting the super strength and durability from his Lumos genes, though Ben inherited the full Lumos abilities.

• Born in England before moving to New York with his dad 3 months after the Movie (thanks to his dad’s job). His first day at University he meets April & CJ & is confronted by Armaggon (in my AU is an alien shark race that were mortal enemies with the Lumos, but now are all extinct). After the Turtles get involved to help save him, Leo first meets him when he catches Ben from a fall & from there their spark began lol

• Ben & Leo are gay in my AU, with their relationship starting off as friends though they’re both slightly awkward with each other. Soon they start to realise their mutual feelings & both end up confessing to each other lol They both are pretty sarcastic/snarky with each other & would tease each other. They are also pretty lovey-dovey & are both very physically & vocally affectionate (& are very public about their relationship), with Leo often giving surprise hugs, snuggles and sneaky kisses haha though they both can be very intimate and comforting when they need to be. With Ben being the only person Leo can truly be open heart-to-heart with and show how he truly feels under his “face man”/leader guise in front of his brothers. • Personality wise, Ben is very friendly and kind whilst also sometimes nervous and quiet, especially when first meeting people. Once he becomes friends with people, he get a lot more confident and his sarcastic side comes out a lot too. He loves Sci-Fi media like films and shows, something he and Leo bond over well. He is pretty clever (not Donnie level), though can have his dumb moments like the rest of the cast haha

Art by Marxiarts

In regards to Ben's (living) family, he has:

His dad - Nick Wright (a vigilante known as Anarchy)

His half-brother - Phoenix Clay Wright (who later becomes a good Rahzar 👀 )

His mum - Clara "Kloro" Wright (she's divorced from Nick, so Ben doesn't see her as much)

Was your OC there during an important time that happened in canon? Example: the rise movie, 2012 season 4 finale.

No funnily enough, Ben doesn't even come to New York till 2-3 months AFTER the Rise Krang invasion (though that is thanks to the invasion tbf) lol

Art by @loryska2, featuring Ben & Leo's first proper kiss... in the middle of a big season finale battle whilst everyone else is fighting around them lmao

So yeah, I was just hoping to make this to help showcase more about Ben, as I've never really taken part in a fan competition like this before haha But yeah if I end up winning the first round of votes that would be amazing, but if I don't then that is completely fine! It's a fun little fan thing and is also a nice way to help showcase Ben to more TMNT fans!

Also I'm going up against the awesome @honeylief's OC; Emmy, so I'm happy if I got defeated by her XDDD

Here's a link to vote if you'd like! - https://www.tumblr.com/tmnt-ocxcanon-comp/763137573393678336/tmnt-ocxcanon-comp-round-1?source=share

[daflangstlairde-art]

DaFlangstLairde's Whumptober 2024 Masterpost

Tag: #dfl's whumptober 2024

The fanfic series on ao3

Prompt 29: FATIGUE | "Who said you could rest?"

lightning in our fingertips today

Chapters: 3/3 Total word count: 12,810 Summary:

Donnie and Leo get hit with a wayward body swap spell. You could say it gives Donnie a new perspective on the matters of his dear twin. When was Leo going to tell them that his Ninpō hurts him?

Prompts covered:

06. Not Realizing They’re Injured | Unhealthy Coping Mechanisms 07. Unconventional Weapon (sort of) | Magic With a Cost 24. Collapsed Building | Equipment Failure 31. "I'm alive, I'm just not well.” .x. Body swap

attached, severed (you're here, you're not)

Chapters: 1/1 Total word count: 4,763 Summary:

The Technodrome never wanted to let Donnie go of its own volition. Krang One quite literally had to pull him out. Something terrible lingers, not quite gone. (Alternatively, The Prison Dimension never wanted to let Leo go of its own volition. Mikey quite literally had to pull him out. Something terrible lingers, not quite gone.)

Prompts covered:

09. Obsession | Bruises 16. Necrosis | Wound Cleaning 20. Emotional Angst | “It’s not your fault”, 21. Spirit Possession (kinda) | “Let the bedsheet soak up the tears.” 22. Bleeding Through Bandages | Reopening Wounds | "Oh that's not good.” 30. Hospital bed | “What have I done?” .x. Regret

A Catalog of Non-Definitive Acts

Chapters: 3/3 Total word count: 15,500 Summary:

Love was cauterized out of him young, because that is how you survive. But coming back home with the Splintersons, Leo craved. He craved and he ached and he hungered. Because the Jitsu family loves. They love ardently, fervently, they love in a way Leo has never, ever seen before, they love in a way Leo could never even conceptualize much less dream of. (She’s always taught him, by word but much more by example, to take what he wants and settle for nothing less.) 

Prompts covered:

02. Trust Issues 11. Loneliness 13. Team as a Family 15. Childhood Trauma | Moment of Clarity | “I did good, right?” 26. Breakfast Table | "I'm haunted by the lies that I have loved, by the actions I have hated."

Turtle and the Fox

Chapters: 12/12 Total word count: 53,527 Summary:

And it was embarrassing. Leo could choke down the pain, he could choke down the anger and hatred, he could turn hope into a sickly sweet thing like a mirage. But the embarrassment. It was always so strong. It was humiliating, always sharp and churning. Always made him far, far too aware. — Instead of getting evil hair and going to a spa, Leo ends up kidnapped by some weirdo. Shockingly, he has a bad time.

Prompts covered:

01. Search Party | Panic Attack 03. Set Up For Failure | “I warned you” 08. Isolation Chamber 10. Blow to the Head | Slurred Words | Passing Out From Pain 12. Starvation | Underground Caverns (…sorta) 18. Revenge | Unreliable Narrator | Loss of Identity | “I see what's mine and I take it” 25. Being Monitored | "It's for your own good.” 27. Muzzled | Voiceless 28. Denial | CCTV | Exposure .x. Secrets Revealed .x. Shivering

Love is Love is Love is

Chapters: 1/1 Total word count: 2,488 Summary:

Leo's always been an affectionate thing.

Prompts covered:

19. Blood Trail | "Is there anybody alive out there?” .x. No-Holds-Barred Beatdown .x. Vermin

[shaotie]

Random Rottmnt Stuff

I just want a place where I keep the stuff I like in one spot, so here's my Random Rottmnt Stuff page (none of this is mine, I'll be adding more periodically) 🐢💚

*WARNING* some of the rottmnt fics below are rated explicit or mature for graphic depictions of violence, discretion is advised

Rise X Epic the Musical Videos

Separated Leos aus I want to remember

Comics:

🐢 Little Kid With a Big Death Wish

🐢 Not the Greatest || pt 2 || pt 3

🐢 Warfare

🐢 Replica -masterpost

🐢 Imaginary Friend au

🐢 Aftermath & Good Genes - masterpost

🐢 A Dumbass Separated Leo AU - masterpost

🐢 Tizeline Separated au - masterpost

🐢 Shadows of Our Past

🐢 Residuum (**WARNING** contains explicit, graphic mature content, gore, etc. Please see author's warnings before reading) - masterpost

🐢 Prodigy - masterpost

🐢 You've Been Portal Jacked - masterpost

🐢 Mini Leo - masterpost

🐢 Empyrean Weeping & Feral Leo - masterpost

🐢 Little Baby Blue - masterpost

🐢 The Bonk Saga & Once in a Blue Moon - masterpost

🐢 Wanderer - masterpost

🐢 Battle Scars - masterpost

🐢 I Care - masterpost

🐢 KTECH || Prologue 0.0 || Prologue 0.1 || Prologue 0.2 || Prologue 0.3 ||

🐢 Vermin - masterpost

Completed Comics:

🐢 Rise of the Parallel

🐢 Stay Standing

🐢 Puppet on a String

🐢 Cass Apocalyptic Series

🐢 Lair Games Aftermath

🐢 Hair Comic, Healing Comic, I'm Sorry Comic

🐢 What are Ya Gonna do? Stab me??

🐢 Save Yourself, I'll Hold Them Back

'Shreddy for More' Stuff

🐢 Shrednardo

🐢 More Art

'Like Father Like Son' Stuff (this fanfic will never get old)

🐢 Leo art

🐢 Live, Laugh, Love, LFLS art

🐢 angsty comic

🐢 just a nightmare

🐢 doodles and angst

🐢 I blame eternalglitch

🐢 Saturdays are for sad

🐢 doodles from discord

🐢 back to normal || part 1 || part 2 || part 3 || part 4

🐢 chapter 27 comic

'The Neon Void' Stuff

🐢 Go Out With a Bang

🐢 "I'm the Faceman"

🐢 Space Oddity

🐢 Spooky

🐢 partners in crime

🐢 ch 5 art

🐢 ch 6 comic

🐢 ch 21 art

🐢 ch 22 comic

Random Other Stuff

🐢 Hold My Hair (video)

🐢 Rise Screenshots

🐢 You Had it Coming (video)

🐢 TMNT 2012 + Rise Theme Mashup (video)

🐢 TMNT Comp Top 32, 2025

🐢 The One That Left (art)

🐢 The Hat Man (video)

🐢 Rough Around the Edges (comic)

🐢 Air Jail (video)

🐢 Rise Restored - Krang vs the Mad Dogs (video)

🐢 Leo & Donnie Animatic

🐢 Fluttershy & Raph (art)

🐢 Rainbow Dash & Leo (art)

🐢 Pinkie Pie & Mikey (art)

🐢 Rarity & Donnie (art)

🐢 The Lights are too Loud (art)

🐢 Cowboy Leo Riding a Unicorn (art)

[imagionationstation]

i want in on this game!!

Sorry if i is too much 😅

HECK YEAH MORE PEEPS! LET'S GO!!

ALSO NO SUCH THINGS AS TO MUCH TURTLES!

1) Aaaah, turflytle. The prank bait plan that heavily backfired on Raphael. "You could be a superhero and have a superhero name!" Teen was trying to make Mikey feel better/make fun of him and he lived to absolutely regret it. Ah, Raphie, Raphie, Raphie. Episode is The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman when Mikey dawns his superhero costume for a second debut, buzz buzz!

2) DREAM BEAVERS!! This is from In Dreams when Leo and Donnie are napping and Mikey takes advantage to prank both of them. Dr. Prankenstein can't resist!! Then him and Raph join the snooze and it all goes downhill from there...

3) It's either the first time that Mikey sees Icecream Kitty in Of Rats And Man or after she saves him from a giant rat in Of Rat and Men. But either way I'm certain it's from that episode!

4) Raph's eyes are on fire... His eyes are on fire... UM! My brain says that I SHOULD know but in all honesty I'm drawing a blank... Hm.

5) Karai's Vendetta when the boys encounter a very loving Krang ocean monster WAIT IF IT'S FROM DIMENSION X DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE'S WATER IN DIMENSION X OR DOES IT JUST FLY AROUND IN THE LACK OF GRAVITY?? Things I must know!!

6) Oh that is 100% totally the moment where Donnie brags about getting April's number and Raph is like "you dingus we already have it on the fridge" and now he's pouting professionally as one does. Oh, uh, episode name is.... Monkey Brains. Pretty sure.

7) Never Say Xever. The episode when Mikey wanted a 1987 tattoo on his face. Child do you not know how painful that would be?

I'm sure your pain tolerance is pretty high but why would you WANT to see how much you can handle? Get markers and a sharpie then let Raph mess around with your face. It'll (probably) be a lot less painful. The way that Donnie says, "you know they use needles for that?" tells me that the headcanon of Mikey not liking needles has basis- ....or is THIS the basis that spawned the headcanon?? BRO WAIT-

[cupcakeslushie]

LITA MAY LITA MAY LITA MAY

Ok ok so I have like a bunch of questions feel free to ignore BUT

I) she has a tail. Is that a Kraang feature or do all the turtles in your universe have tails and hers is just extended?

II) Uh pink? Pink like Kraang? Did she choose her life colors, or???

III) Is. Is she. Is she autistic too

IV) Draxum-Hamato sooooo what does she call them? Did they argue about nicknames? Also was it Donnie’s choice to include Draxum’s name as well

V) Lita in the comics???

VI) Is there a reason her shell isn’t smooth like Donnie’s?

VII) What does she call Renet?

VIII) Ninpo question mark?

IX) Pupils! I love the way you draw her pupils. Is there a reason or is it just fun

X) Does she have a certain resistance to Kraang mind digging? Like that thing they did to interrogate Raph in the movie? To read his memories?

XI) So the cloak/scarf thing is Leo, the purple accents and stripes are Donnie, and the kneepads are Mikey. Any Raph references in her clothes?

Apologies if you’ve answered these before and I just didn’t see them! Have a good day and give Lita one too for goodness sakes girl’s had it rough already

1. It’s more of a Krang feature. I do love when the turtles are drawn with tails, but I didn’t do it from the beginning, and so for consistency sake in the EW universe I’ve held off. Maybe one day I’ll just say “fuck it” and give into the urge to give them all cute little tails. But even if I did, Lita’s would be much longer than any of the family’s (except Raph’s hypothetical tail lol).

2. Lita being albino and pink in the IDW comics pretty much made that Krang connection for me lol. I didn’t have to reach too hard with her design. She leans into it.

3. I have her personality very close to Leo’s canon personality, so she’s more on the ADHD side. She does have some sensory issues with sound, which a lot of ppl with adhd have (👋🏻). But being raised around the quiet and solemn Time Masters Sanctum it’s like really noticeable. When she visits the family, it can be very overwhelming, but rather than shutting down, she gets insanely riled up and can’t contain herself. It works though—everyone is more than happy to let her ramble on.

4. She never met either of them but Splinter of course would’ve been Jiji and Draxum would’ve been just Grandfather. Nothing too out of this world lol. And yes, Donnie chooses to embrace Draxum’s name.

5. Sorry idk what exactly this is asking. Like yes? Lita May is based off IDW Lita, from the comics 😅 sorry if I’m missing the question.

6. She is a spiny soft shell like Donnie, but yes, her spines are significantly more pronounced, thanks to, you guessed it!

7. Master Renet, or Aunty Ren in a more causal setting.

8. 🤫 we’ll see (I’m still trying to think of something cool and not too OP lol)

9. Her eyes are just for design fun, and to link her to Donnie some more!

10. That’s gonna be another big 🤫, but less because I haven’t decided and more just for the big spoilers! 😜

11. She’s kinda got two outfits atm and I think I might end up merging the two. Her simpler outfit of just her wraps and mask are very Raph coded, so I wanna figure out some sort of middle ground with the two.

[thegirlwiththeninjaturtletattoos]

Every Rose Has It's Thorn

Part -8-

Part 9

Part 7

Universe: Teenage Mutant Teenage Turtles (Bayverse aged-up turtles)

Rating: R MINORS DNI: (swearing) Mentions needles and illness, gets pretty dark here ngl (blood, death, and violence), mild suggestive moments

Raphael x OC (female character)

Tags: trigger warning mentions needles, bruises and injuries and dark content, fluff, original character, slow burn romance, Leo and Raph bein' feisty :), foot clan mention

-Yo! Sorry it's taken forever!

-Rose recovers from the serum injection, and well...crazy shit happens.

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It had been 10 hours since Donnie’s serum was injected into Rose’s arm, and her breathing and skin color had finally returned to normal despite her finally falling and staying asleep. Raphael had been ever vigilant, stepping out only briefly to use the bathroom or to get something to eat. It was close to 6 am now, and he could barely keep his eyes open. The only thing keeping him going was all the questions he wanted to ask her when she woke up. They were swirling around his head for hours, and he couldn’t think about anything else.

He had started to make a list.

1.Why was she not afraid of him? 2.What did she dream about last night? 3.Why in the name of fuck was she teasing him like this?

Those questions had been at the forefront of his mind for most of the day. She had been panting and softly moaning his name last night, but seemed so scared when she woke up. Did the thought of sex with him scare her? But then if that were true, why did she want him to stay?

He had to figure out what she wanted from him; he couldn’t take much more of this. He was so used to the world not accepting them, even after they saved the planet from near destruction. He had never had anyone in his corner besides his brothers, and found it hard to accept that anyone, let alone this woman, would accept him the way he was. He was rude, angry, and violent, and he wasn’t going to change anytime soon. That was how the world was always going to see him, anyways, so why try to change it. 

Wanting more caffeine, he quietly stepped out of his room and ventured to the kitchen for some coffee.

Knowing Donnie, there would be a pot somewhat freshly made, as his younger brother was the biggest caffeine addict of them all. Glancing around the lair, he noted that everyone was asleep, except for Mikey. The youngest was perched at the breakfast bar, sipping his coffee from a mug that April bought him last year for Christmas. He had on a well-loved pair of black sweatpants, with some holes around the knees from skateboarding mishaps. Looking up, the orange banded turtle smiled.

“Hey, mornin.” He picked up the mug next to him and offered it to his brother. “I was just going to bring you some coffee, here ya go.”

“Thanks.”

Taking the cup, he sat down next to Michelangelo at the bar.

“Raph, I wanna talk to you about yesterday. That cool?”

“Uh.. yeah, Mike. What’s up?”

Raph and Mikey had always been the closest of the four. They protected each other, and understood each other more than the others. Mike respected Raphael’s strength emotionally and physically, and Raph appreciated Mikey’s ability to let go and have fun. They spent most of their free time together; sharing music, working out, you name it. Mike had grown up so much in the past years since the Krang invasion and Raph couldn’t help but be proud of his younger brother at the strong man he had become. 

“First, I went to Rose’s apartment with her, and wow man, her ex-boyfriend is a huge dick. He wrote her a Dear John letter and left it on her pillow! Like dude!”

Mikey was whisper-yelling, and Raph couldn’t help but chuckle. His brother's hands flew as he talked, body moving like he was dancing with an imaginary partner. He was always so animated. 

“After she sang that song in the lair I knew she was obviously going through some sort of break-up, but shit dude she is hurting. Like I didn’t know what to do so I just held her hand and let her cry. I felt super bad for her- but also I held a girl’s hand, bro!”

Mikey was practically vibrating with excitement, until he noticed Raph’s shoulders tense and freeze in place.

Gotta change the subject, Mike.

“Second, sorry about interrupting you guys this morning. But also… what was I interrupting?”

The sudden jealousy over Rose holding hands with his brother faded, but he was no less tense. 

“I…I really don’t know, Mike.”

With any of his other family members, this conversation would be awkward. Yet with Mikey he could talk about anything, and there would always be nothing but support and compassion in return.

“Well it looked like you guys almost kissed from where I was standing dude.”

“Yeh, I guess so.”

“Why were you in there with her though, did you spend the night?”

“Kinda.”

Raphael blushed under his mask, and took a sip of coffee to cover it. He himself didn’t have the answers to Mikey’s question barrage yet, and he needed more time to think about it.

“DUDE WHAT”

Mikey punched his brother's arm in excitement, almost spilling the hot liquid everywhere.

“Mike! Chill!” Raphael whispered, and Mikey nodded and took a breath. “I don’t really know what ta make of it myself yet, but I need ta talk to her about it first. I’m..I dunno, confused. Shit’s moving so fast.” He got quiet as he drew inward again, lost in thought.

A few seconds of silence went by before either of them spoke again.

“Well man, let me just say this.” Mikey started, pulling Raph’s attention back. “Her ex really hurt her, and I think she is really struggling with that, not to mention the attack a few days ago. She’s scared and sad and needs a friend more than anything else right now.”

He stared blankly at his brother, surprised by the sudden maturity and insightful observation. Mike went on. “That being said, Donnie and I agree. She likes you, dude.”

Raph blinked slowly as he processed what Mikey said. So, he wasn’t imagining things, then. He then smiled into his arm as he turned away, trying to hide the happiness blooming on his face. He patted Mikey on the head in a gesture of gratitude.

“Thanks, Mike. Now go ta bed.”

He shooed the youngest off and rose from the bar stool, taking his coffee with him as he walked back towards his room.

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The door creaked slightly as it opened, and Raph made a mental note to fix that once Rose had woken up.

He and Donnie fixed everything around the lair; a door hinge was nothing.

Closing it behind him, he sat back down in his chair and eyed her still form on the bed. Rose was still breathing normally, and looked peaceful as she slept. She seemed angelic in the soft glow from the bedside lamp, and he loved the look of her sleeping comfortably in his bed.

She fit in well here, with him.

A smug smile crept over his face as he watched her, letting his mind wander around her on his bed, gripping on to his sheets as she panted his name like she did the night before. He was so lost in thought, he didn’t hear her stir in the bed until she said his name louder, ripping him from his daydream.

“Red, what time is it?” She mumbled sleepily, rubbing her eyes. She sat up, expecting her body to hurt but was pleasantly surprised when she felt nothing.

“About 7 am, give or take. How do ya feel?”

“You know, I feel great. Like weirdly great.” Rose laughed as she spoke, and watched as he placed his cup on the bookshelf and walked over to her. He sat down on the mattress next to her and lifted his hand to feel her forehead.

“Well, yer fever’s gone, that’s a good sign. We’ll havta see what the Doc thinks.”

“If Donnie's the doctor, does that make you my nurse?” She said with a giggle; a mischievous glint sparkling in her eyes.

Raphael grunted at her and moved to stand. If she felt well enough to crack jokes, then he could finally get some rest.

Rose grabbed his hand in hers before he could get up. “Hey no, don’t leave. I was just kidding, I'm sorry.” She apologized with a laugh, but didn't let go. “Were you awake all night?”

“We’re always up at night, dork.” He looked down at their intertwined hands.

What was she doing? 

Raph continued. “I normally go ta bed about 6 or 7 am anyways, so I’m fine. Everyone else goes ta bed earlier.”

As he spoke, Rose traced the curves of his hand with her fingers, feeling the scars and calluses against her soft skin. 

His eyes were glued to her hands as they caressed his. He had no idea why she was doing it, but he never wanted her to stop. Sensations rippled over him that he couldn't explain as her fingertips brushed against the back of his hand, and his jaw clenched tightly as she started to move further up his forearm. 

Suddenly, he felt her gaze on him and he looked up to see Rose watching him, watching her. She smiled, the sweetest softest smile and Raph’s heart could’ve burst right there.

Fuck, she was gorgeous.

“I should get Donnie- he’ll wanna check on ya now that yer up.” He said, moving his hand from hers and standing up from the bed. She sighed, obviously disappointed. He ducked his head down a little, shying away from her.

He didn't want to leave, but he needed some space. After the talk with Mikey this morning, he agreed that she needed some time to herself more than anything right now, not to involve herself with another guy. Especially a mutant turtle from the sewers, he reminded himself.

“Fine. But just come back, okay?” She winked at him, and it was so awkward and cute he had to mentally restrain himself from leaning down to kiss her right there.

“Uh, actually..I don’t think that’s a good idea.”

“Why not? Aren’t you more comfortable sleeping in your own bed, Raph?”

“I um..well…I jus don’t want things ta get complicated for ya. Ya need ta get through what ya went through, and ya need ta do it by yerself.” He looked down at the floor, rubbing the back of his neck with his hand. He knew she wouldn’t like his answer.

“Don’t tell me what I need, Raphael.”

He looked up to see her glaring at him, green eyes now dark with anger and almost melting a hole in his head. She stood up from the bed to face him. She was so short and small, but the rage coming off of her right then was enough to make him on edge.

“I’m just sayin, maybe takin some time ta yourself would do ya some good, help ya see straight-”

“Are you saying something’s wrong with my judgment? Do you think I’m not capable of thinking for myself? Or are you just finally showing your true colors and telling me that as a woman I’m too dumb to make decisions by myself, and that I need a big, strong man to fix all my problems for me?” Rose was getting increasingly louder as she rambled on, and Raph didn’t understand what had happened.

All he knew was that she was pissing him off, and he didn’t have to take this shit.

He didn't owe her anything. 

“You wanna calm the fuck down? All I was tryin ta say was that-”

“Don’t you DARE tell me to calm down!”

“What the FUCK is yer problem?!”

By now their yelling had woken up the entire lair. The three brothers stood in the living room listening, all incredibly tired but worried for the safety of their houseguest. Donnie was the first to speak.

“Well, at least we know that she’s feeling well enough to fight,” He said with a chuckle. Leo was more concerned, however, and shot Donnie a look of annoyance.

“I’m going in there. He’s going to do something stupid and hurt her.”

“Hold up, Leo,” Mikey interjected. “Raph likes her, there’s no way he’d do anything to her.”

Leo winced at his brother's words. “I suppose you’re right, Mikey. But if anything happens-”

Before he could finish his sentence, the door to Raphael’s room flew open. Rose stormed out, cursing under her breath in spanish as she put her shoes on and grabbed her jacket. Raph came stomping out after her, still fuming.

“You gunna fuckin answer me!?”

Rose whipped around to yell back at him from the main entryway to the lair.

“YOU’RE MY PROBLEM, DICKHEAD!”

“FINE, LEAVE THEN, I COULDN’T CARE LESS!”

“GET BENT, PENDEJO!”

With that, she stomped off into the tunnels. The brothers turned to look back at Raphael, whose loud footsteps were headed to the weight room.

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Shit. Which fucking way was it? Left?

I’m lost.

Fuck.

After storming out of the lair, Rose had wandered the tunnels for about an hour, looking for a way up to the surface. She figured that if she could at least find a ladder she could re-orient herself once she was up top, but she hadn’t been able to find one; just more dark tunnels and dead ends.

At this point she was just trying to find her way back to the lair, but she couldn’t even do that. She had fled in such a blind rage that she hadn’t paid any attention to where she was going, and now it was biting her in the ass.

She was still so angry with Raph that the thought of being dragged back to the lair sounded like brutal torture, but it was better than dying, lost in the sewers. She leaned her back against a clean-ish wall and slid down to wrap her arms around her knees.

“FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE!” She screamed in anger, her curses ricocheting off the wet sewer tunnel walls.

She could not believe how dense Raph was.

Did he seriously not understand that she liked him?

She had laid it out pretty obviously. 

Maybe he wasn't into human women?

No, Mikey had talked in detail about his and Raph's infatuation with April as teens during their videogame session yesterday.

Rose knew that she had seen lust in his eyes; had felt him lean down to almost kiss her- so what had changed? 

It wasn't that he thought she wasn't available, they had talked about her situation on the roof that night of the meteor shower. 

Then it hit her; maybe he was so apprehensive because he thought he was just a rebound for her, and he wanted his first relationship to be more than that.

That makes so much more sense.

There was no way that Raphael could have known what her last six out of eight years were like with her ex. He had stopped touching her and initiating sex two years in, and she had only blamed herself. She thought it was because was too fat, not attractive enough, etc. So Rose started hitting the gym religiously and made sure she always looked perfect. She sacrificed her social life to spend all her free time working on her appearance, to save her relationship. She became the trophy girlfriend, and yet was still in a sexless relationship.

Her boyfriend just kept giving the same excuses, “It’s me, not you”, or “I’ll work on it, I promise”. Rose was left crying alone in their apartment most nights, wondering what she did to deserve a love that was so soured. The relationship had been over a long time before that night at the bar, the night she met the turtles. Raphael had no way of really knowing; she hadn't gone into that much detail about it. From where he stood, it definitely could look like she was just throwing herself at the first guy to walk by after a break-up.

He was just trying to be respectful and make sure she was healing from her heartbreak, and she had cussed him out for it.

Oops. 

Still lost in thought, she lifted her head when she heard footsteps approaching. She assumed the guys had found her and moved to stand and greet them, brushing the dirt off her shorts. It would probably be a little awkward, but she would have to get over it. As the steps grew closer, she called out to them and flicked her light from her phone that she had been using in the direction of the noise.

“Hey guys, over here. Sorry about that whole mess, I just had to ge-”

As Rose spoke, the approaching footsteps rounded the corner and showed themselves. The flashlight from her phone flicked over them and illuminated three men in head-to-toe black military gear, with ski masks covering their faces. They had lights on the end of their guns, and they trained the bright beams on Rose. One of them stepped forward and spoke.

“Are you lost, ma’am?”

Rose tensed, but managed to squeak out a response. “Um, no. I’m fine.”

“Ma’am, you’re in a sewer tunnel by yourself. Are you sure you aren’t lost?”

“Yeah, I’m good. Go about your business.”

The man laughed and turned to his colleagues, who also snickered. She was aware of how ridiculous she looked, but she didn’t want help from anyone. She would get herself out of her own mess. Plus, there was no way these were good guys. The man stepped towards her.

“Well ma’am, If you’re not lost, and you’re down here intentionally,” He paused, and his cohorts lifted their guns back up to their shoulders. “I think you might know some friends of ours.”

“I don’t know what you’re talking about.” Rose turned to walk away but the man grabbed her by the arm.

“I need you to come with us, ma’am.”

She looked down at where the man was gripping her and felt her blood boil. She was so sick of men touching her, telling her what to do, what to think, how to act.

“Get your fucking hands off of me.”

She said through gritted teeth, feeling the hair rise on the back of her neck.

She could feel her body radiate with anger, and knew that this time she would fight to the death, with every last ounce of strength.

She didn’t care anymore.

The men started to laugh again. “Oh, and what are you going to do about it?”

Rose flicked her gaze back to look up at the man, and smiled.

And she punched him in the face.

Only, she hit him so hard, he flew back into the opposite tunnel wall, making an indent in the cement with his body as he crumpled to the ground. Rose looked down at her hands in disbelief, then back at the other two men, who were also staring at her in shock. She laughed, and a wave of excitement flooded her.

“Well, come and get it boys.”

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Raph had been in the gym since Rose stormed out of the lair. He had taken to his punching bag, letting out his frustration and anger from their fight with each blow. He couldn’t understand what had happened, why she had gotten so intensely upset with him. He was just looking out for her.

“Fine-”

Thud.

“She wants to act crazy-”

Thud.

“I ain’t gunna stop her.”

Thud.

“What the fuck is her problem anyways.”

He continued his barrage on the punching bag as his mind tried to search for any reasonable explanation for Rose’s outburst. His body swayed back and forth, almost dancing with the bag as he delivered blow after blow, muscles glistening with sweat. With each hit he started to feel a little more clear headed, as he always did when he sought comfort here after fights with his brothers. The familiar motions were like meditation for him, and took all the frustrations he couldn’t name away. Thinking more about her outburst, and what he knew about her situation, he realized it probably had more to do with her than him. She just didn’t have a punching bag to take it out on.

Chuckling to himself, he thought that maybe yelling at someone was what she had really needed after all. Normally he didn't take that shit from anyone, but if she was doing the yelling, he guessed he didn’t mind it as much. Despite the anger and rage in the moment, seeing the passion and fire in her eyes was both alluring and comforting. He was glad to know that despite everything she’d been through, she still had some fight left in her. And fuck, did she look hot when she was angry. Shaking his head and striking the bag again, he tried to shake off the feelings of lust that were creeping in. She didn’t need to deal with his feelings on top of everything else right now, and he didn’t even know how to deal with his own growing feelings for her.

Thud.

“Get a grip, jackass.”

Thud.

Raph knew she was pretty beat up emotionally, and she was probably keeping it inside like he did. She had told him off just like he told everyone else off, and then took off for some space just like he usually does. Raph couldn’t help but smile at how much they had in common. Gripping the bag suddenly, he had a sobering thought.

“She’s probably lost in the tunnels. I’m so stupid, shit.”

Raph quickly made his way from the weight room to the living room, cursing under his breath as he jogged through the lair and frantically looked for Donnie. To his surprise, Leo and Donnie were still awake and gathered by the purple clad turtle’s computer monitors, speaking in hushed voices. As Raph approached, Leo turned and nodded, gesturing for him to head over.

“Leo, she’s probably lost in the sewers-”

Raph was cut off by his elder sibling raising a hand in the air, signaling him to stop talking. He hated when Leo got on his high-and-mighty leader shtick, but he bit back his anger and stayed silent. He needed to focus on finding Rose, and he could be mad at his brother later.

“We know, Raph. Donnie’s working on tracking her through our surveillance system. But before I give you that information, I’d like to remind you that this is your mess - and I don’t intend to clean it up for you.”

With the last words Leo jabbed one of his three fingers at Raph’s plastron. He could feel the anger start to bubble out, not able to bite it back any longer. 

“ Oh yeah, Leo? That it?” His voice was thick and dripping with sarcasm.

“No, actually.”

Leo continued, taking a step closer to his brother. Raph was seething with anger, clenching his fists at his side and breathing slow to stop himself from taking a swing at the leader of their group.

Of their family. 

“ She’s been through enough, Raph. She doesn’t need you hurting her on top of that. I stood by and said nothing while you openly shared a bed with her and flaunted it, but I won’t let you damage her even more because of your immaturity. Consider this a warning.”

Leonardo looked at his younger brother with a steely gaze, his blue eyes piercingly vivid as he spoke.

“ What the fuck’s that ‘sposed ta mean, Leo.” Raph spat back, eyes equally as hard as he stared his brother down. The two terrapins were locked in a silent battle, and the only sound in the lair was the faint clicks of Donnie's keys on his keyboard. 

Leo stepped back and crossed his arms, flexing his biceps just a little bit. Smiling, he broke the silence.

“ You know exactly what I mean.”

“YOU BETTER WIPE THAT SMUG GR-”

“Got her!”

Raph’s outburst was interrupted by Donnie’s surveillance system finally locating Rose in the sewer tunnels. Raph and Leo exchanged one final hard look at each other before returning to Donnie’s side.

“C’mon, show me somethin’ buddy.” Leo said as he strode over, his face dark with worry.

He hadn’t known Rose for very long, and Raph had monopolized most of her time, but he had grown fond of her despite it. She was an intriguing woman; he couldn't help it. He cared about her safety, and he was incredibly ticked off that she was in this mess because of Raph. His brother didn’t appreciate her attention, didn’t know how lucky he was. 

Leo wouldn’t stand for it. He let Raph get away with a lot, but not this time.

“ I found her in one of the far outer tunnels, but guys,” Donatello turned to face them, “ she’s not alone.”

Leo yelled to his brothers, already jogging towards the weapons room.

“ Let’s move out, boys.”

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Blood.

There’s so much blood.

I can’t get away from it.

Rose sat against the dank and damp sewer wall, face wet with tears, but she was unable to wipe them away.

Her hands were steeped in the blood of the men who tried to attack her.

It was sticky and seeping into her every pore, and everywhere she looked the walls were caked with it.

She didn’t know how, but suddenly her strength had quadrupled, and she was stronger than she could've ever wanted. After the first punch, the first man had cracked his head into the wall and hadn’t moved again. The other two immediately started firing their guns at her, so she had had no choice.

It was her or them.

It was fun for a moment, punching bad guys and being a superhero; until she realized that she was killing them.

Then the guilt set in.

She didn’t notice how much damage she had done until it was too late.

Until their blood was pooling on the ground in thick, red, murky puddles and they weren’t moving anymore.

Rose had attempted first aid, but the life had already left their broken bodies- there was nothing to save; she was a murderer.

So, she sat there in the dark and cold sewer and cried; cried for them, for herself, for the hopelessness that was her life now.

She was a monster.

She had become the thing that lurked in the darkness of her nightmares.

And she couldn’t escape.

- - ------------------------------------------------------------

Raph could smell the blood up ahead, they all could.

Thanks to the turtle genes they possessed they all had incredible senses of smell, and the overwhelming metallic scent of human blood was almost enough to make him choke- There was a lot of it. The three of them exchanged worried glances and continued on.

“ Guys, my scanner says it’s just up ahead.”

“Thanks Don, ya doin’ sports and weather next?”

“Stow the attitude, Raphael. We need to be on alert. Donnie, is there any more movement up ahead?”

“ No, Leo. Just one person is showing up on the scanner now too. I suggest we proceed with caution.”

Leo nodded in agreement, and they continued forward. As they turned another corner, the group could faintly hear the sound of someone crying. The brothers moved silently in the shadows towards the sound, further and further down the tunnel until the smell of blood was almost unbearable.

As they approached, they saw a figure crouched on the ground, clothes stained with blood and its face buried in its hands. A pile of bodies laid nearby, all wearing foot clan uniforms and clutching heavy artillery.

Donnie was the first to call to her, recovering from shock the fastest.

“ Rose? Is that you? Are you ok?”

The figure shot up from where it was sitting and took a few steps back.

“Don’t come any closer, please! I don’t want to hurt you!”

The sound of Rose’s voice choking back sobs was enough to snap Raphael out of his trance. He pushed past his brothers and moved towards her.

“Please, don’t! I-I don’t-”

Rose could barely keep it together as she begged him to stay away. She didn’t want to hurt anyone else, but he just kept coming towards her.

He didn’t stop until he was face to face with her, looking down at her blood spattered skin and tear-stained eyes. She looked up at him, and Raph saw nothing but fear and self-loathing there- something he was no stranger to.

He held her gaze as he spoke, gold eyes softening as they looked in her emerald ones.

“ There’s nuthin’ you could do that could scare me, Princess.”

He pulled her into his arms and embraced her, pressing her into his plastron gently. He could feel her body shake with soft sobs as her arms reached up to curl against his chest plates.

Raph scooped up her legs from underneath her, and pressed her close to his chest as lifted her fully into his arms.

“ It’s ok, I gotcha.”

Rose nodded and buried her head into his neck. Her tears continued, but she felt relief swell over her as Raphael held her. She had never felt this protected or safe, like she could truly let her guard down and openly…feel.

Suddenly she felt new, thicker tears trail down her face, this time for different reasons. 

Fuck- she hated crying. 

Raph looked over the mess of copper curls against his chest, hearing the soft hitches in her throat starting up once more.

“Hey, hey,” he cooed, “ it’s gunna be ok. I’m takin’ ya home.”

He gave a look to Leo and turned on his heel to head back to the lair, while his two brothers looked on in bewilderment. As soon as they were out of earshot, Donnie couldn’t hold it in any longer.

“Leo, what the FUCK was that.” Spinning around, he gestured to the scene around them. “What the fuck is this?!”

“Language. I don’t know, Donnie.”

“There’s so much blood?! We don’t even know what happened! I mean, I’ll have to run some scans, collect evidence-”

“Donnie.”

Leo’s voice pulled his younger brother out of his spiral.

“Sorry.”

“It’s ok, Donnie. Let’s just take care of things here and then head back.” Leo said, eyes intense and sweeping the scene. He knew Raph would see to it that Rose was taken care of, but he was increasingly concerned with what happened here and how she was, well, unharmed. Something wasn’t sitting right.

Donatello looked back at his brother and nodded solemnly, knowing what he meant. It wasn’t often that they had to clean up messes like this, but back before Raph had gotten his rage under control...well things had been much worse. The red banded turtle had often come home with blood on his knuckles and shell after beating someone bloody, in worse shape emotionally than when he’d left. Raphael talked with his fists, sometimes not caring how much damage he did. At least that’s how it seemed to his family.

Donnie adjusted his glasses and got to work, collecting some photo and physical evidence before assisting Leo with the gritty clean up.

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(sorry for taking so long to write this! I started to chicken out about the serum plot twist and took a break, but I'm back! Hope you liked it don't hate meee)

[getindumdums]

ROTTMNT X TMNT- How to write around Post-Movie Rise being overpowered

Want to write a rottmnt meet tmnt fic? Well here’s some ideas on how you can write the rise crew with all their powers but still include your 87/03/12 bros in the fight!

1. The Rise Crew are dumbasses.

When you’re turtles that fall for ‘teetlze’, there may be a plan or two where they fall for the silliest of things. Like even a 87 shredder plan right along with the 87 turtles. Or they crave fun and get in a little trouble. Like. IDK. They were doing stunts and crashed into tar pits. Got trapped in the Turtle Tank. Got distracted and are trying to get a weapon that got lodged into concrete/a building out. Or a skateboard out of a tree, and are making the situation way over complicated. Get creative.

Maybe they forgot a mission, or got lost because of a silly reason. Like, they wrestled and fell off a cliff. Maybe down a river. Make Leo get hit too hard and comidically woozy. (Or a tranq dart.) Yeaaaahhhh surrrre. I’ll teleport you guysss… *teleports to France.

Maybe they said they’d meet separately at the beach/fun place. But the 87/03/12 crew get attacked and the Rise crew is just chilling wondering where they’re at. “Oh no! They can’t hear them! The music’s blasting too loud!”

2. The Rise turtles are loud.

Sure they can sneak, but will they? Plus things like to explode after the sneaking. (03/12 tmnt are kind of like this too honestly.) Point is maybe they’re like “All in favor of leaving (The Mad dogs) team behind say Aye.” “Aye.” For a stealth mission. Could add 03/12 Raph wanting to include Mikey in that.

They could be put on ‘support’. Rise Leo’s teleporting could leave to a last second save, Rise Donnie’s pods too (he would probably put trackers in his counterparts as soon as he could, also blood samples). Rise Raph could prevent the building the others are inside from collapsing. Actually all of the Rise crew could catch them from falling to their deaths or hold back a giant enemy’s strike.

3. Put out of Commission.

There’s a couple ways the Rise Crew could get put out of commission that isn’t getting hit too hard. Being temporarily blinded by tear gas (they jumped in first), allowing them to still fight but being the ones reliant on whoever they’re with. Tranquilizers would incapacitate them for like an hour or less. Similarly, getting poisoned with a lethal dose that’d kill the other teams. The way Draxum made them allowing these toxins to be less lethal to them. Magical traps, magic/alien restraints, or captured with the highest/most durable alien tech could also get interesting.

4. Let the Rise Crew take on the Big threats.

Like on how Rise Raph will act like a shield for his bros by taking on the enemies his size, the Rise crew’s focus can be set towards the larger than a building enemies, like (12) Traaq and Granitor, (03) Nano, etc. They could defeat/distract a shredder, attack a technodrome, or handle a way too large foot/Kraang army Leatherhead/03 Triceraton style while the 03/12 team handle the other stuff. Or worse, the Rise crew could fight some of THEIR old enemies.

As strong as the Rise crew are, both 03 and 12 have 12/13 tech/steel that’s very strong and durable. And both are used to defeating threats ‘way out of their league’. The 87 turtles can cleave through ‘technodrome’ mechs like butter. Just something to consider.

5. They are the Big Threat

I’m not the biggest fan of feral Rise. They lean more violent/murdery than in character and small bruising. I love comedy, shenanigans. But that doesn’t mean the Rise crew being brainwashed isn’t a good plot line where the other alternate brothers must save them. From 12’s parasitic wasps, neck brainwashing devices, to 03’s utrom/Baxter Stockman tech: duplicate robots looking/fighting like them, simulations turned violent, you can get a couple ideas from all the shows. Or how about misunderstandings? 03 doesn’t have Krang, but peaceful utroms. The Rise crew might start fighting before learning from 03 crew or the Utroms themselves that they are not a threat.

Bonus, Conflict

I think the 03 and 12 bros might see the Rise crew as another 87 initially. They’re all silly, funny guys that like to dance and party. Including Funny One Donnie. The 87 team and Rise would get along great, thick as (pizza) thieves. Have a way too strong enemy? Well maybe the Rise crew is 87’s plot armor while they fight side by side. 03 would be most responsible (excluding Mikey), and be quick to warm up to the Rise crew. And be willing to train with them, give them advice/lectures. 03 Raph would like Donnie, 03 Leo would like Raph for sure.

It’s the 12 crew that I think they would have the most conflict with, (except Mikey). Instead Rise Mikey kicks him (and 12 Leo, and the 87 crew) violently out of the kitchen, and would just be the most reasonable Mikey. Rise Leo would lead/ partake in shenanigans with anyone willing and switch like a lamp on (at least serious) missions.

The Rise crew are used to listening to Raph, they trust Raph. Maybe they trust 87/03/12 Raph. It’s a bad idea. Maybe Rise Donnie wants to do comically- villain lethal options instead or just argue against the Leo’s’ plans. Like a Raph. Maybe he fist fights 12 Raph. But they become friends after.

Maybe Rise Leo wants to have fun. Maybe he claims to be the cool Leo while secretly wanting to impress the other Leos but 12 Leo hates him. Maybe Donnie claims he’s the cool Donnie but 12 Donnie hates him. Really hates him, with a seething jealousy. Maybe 12 Donnie is plotting murder 12 Casey style. Maybe Rise Donnie loves playing around with weapons with 03 Raph and destroying things with 12/03 Raph.

I just actually like the idea of each of the Rise turtle not getting along with their 12 counterparts. Instead Rise Leo gets along with 12 Mikey via pranks (and Dimension X and how they feel about their place in their team). Maybe 03 Mikey too. Rise Raph gets along great with the the Leos (and Splinter?), leadership and training. Donnie would get along great with the Raphs. I think he and 12 Raph would both think 03 Raph is SUPER cool. And Rise Mikey would get along well with the Donnies being the ‘reasonable’ one of the Rise crew. Rise Mikey I believe helps his Donnie in the lab, steady hands. And probably knows the classical music composers, etc. Maybe Mystic Mike, practicing his magic, is great at meditation, magic, and gets great talks with Splinter. Rise Mikey could finally give 03 Don some therapy. …And maybe any of the other traumatized turtles.

Transversing the multiverse

Is actually easy. Maybe let it be. They could go back and forth, and the real conflict can be the enemies they face/are investigating.

87 has a device from the 12 crossover, and that can just built a device no sweat. 03 still probably has their device from Turtles Forever (unless 87 has it?). 03 has the Daimyo from their battle nexus that can travel dimensions with his staff. 12 has Krang portals. 12 had a magic wand they lost. The Rise crew has Leo and Mikey’s portals and their Donnie. If the others could create bridges so can Rise D. He has the most advanced tech, a comedic-looney tunes logic/4th wall breaking touch like 87, and has pictures of 12 and 87 on his conspiracy board. S.H.E.L.L.D.O.N. sent a toaster back in time, I’m convinced that Donnie had drafts for a time machine already but the Kaang invasion left alternate-future him with a lack of resources Cass-Apocalypse style, those drafts destroyed with the lair, and/or new prototypes destroyed. Future him Raph a robot body like 12 Don did to himself before something happened that didn’t allow Rise D to make one/be transferred into one for himself. There’s no way Rise Donnie is taking more time to make a portal gun longer than a Turtles Forever movie.

[calabazafantasma]

🦎🐙TIRED KRANG, SMART, BELIEVER🐙🦎

Amar como tu... Kronos x krugnar

Krang one x krang three mini cómic espero que les guste

If I could begin to be

Half of what you think of me

I could do about anything

I could even learn how to love

When I see the way you act

Wondering when I'm coming back

I could do about anything

I could even learn how to love like you

I always thought I might be bad

Now I'm sure that it's true

'Cause I think you're so good

And I'm nothing like you

Look at you go

I just adore you

I wish that I knew

What makes you think I'm so special

If I could begin to do

Something that does right by you

I would do about anything

I would even learn how to love

When I see the way you look

Shaken by how long it took

I could do about anything

I could even learn how to love like you

Love like you

Love me like you...

NOOOOO!!!! QUE HERMOSO!!! dios esto si qué me hizo llorar es que literalmente está canción representa el pasado de estos dos y no llore más en el panel 3 en la parte donde dice te has ido hoy y yo te adoro quisiera saber ¿que te hace pensar que, especial, soy?

No de verdad llore y lo termine hoy vaya estoy muy motivado la verdad y mas con estos resultados y bueno nada esto es todo espero que también les guste y lloren como yo lo hice o no quien sabe bueno nada y recuerden tomen cafecito🎃☕

Dibujo completo

[thecomicsnexus]

MIGHTY MORPHIN POWER RANGERS / TMNT II #1-5

December 2022 - May 2023

By Ryan Parrott , Dan Mora, Raúl Angulo, and Ed Dukeshire.

It's the sequel for the miniseries that was successful enough to have action figures!

The Turtles and the MMPR band together to stop Krang and Rita Repulsa, but a betrayal by their human ally leaves them without powers. And then things get creative...

SCORE: 8

I just want to put in writing that true leaders admit when they are wrong, so the dialogue above is not worthy of Leo.

Alright, let's move on to the actual story...

I was running against two challenges while reading this story.

I am pretty ignorant about Power Ranger lore. I have watched some episodes, a movie and the horrible reunion special, but other than that, I may miss some references.

It has been a long time since I read part one, so apart from certain elements of that story that I remembered, I was kind of constantly catching up.

And you really need to have part one fresh in your mind to read this one... they are basically the same story.

A thought occurred to me while reading this... what is going on with Casey Jones?

He used to be the not-very-bright American hero (think of Jack Burton from "Big Trouble in Little China." And that kind of adaptation used to be the case. But lately, Casey has been a little less temperamental, and sometimes smart enough to avoid getting into conflicts (think of the Rise movie, the IDW version and its spin-offs, like this one).

Classic Casey wouldn't have gotten himself in this situation. But given how much this universe borrows from the IDW continuity, I guess that Casey would behave like this.

Isn't it great when you find four morphin' devices that match the colors of the turtles?

The Turtles and the Power Rangers being able to morph all at the same time was already great, but the book manages to surprise with yet another creative twist... that I'll explore after the break...

Although, if you have already seen the covers, then you know what's coming...

I think the book really came together at this point. With (a very 2012 inspired) Splinter coming in to teach the new mutants how to fight with their new bodies.

And then this happened... man, those toys will sell themselves.

In general, the art in this book is stunning. It may not be high art, but it does what it needs to do, beyond expectations.

Shredder also gets a chance to morph again (it would be a crime if he didn't).

The zords in general look amazing. I guess if you are a MMPR artist, you really need to know how to draw robots... and humans.

So yeah, it seems like part 3 is to be expected... and I am okay with that.

The only thing that felt weird to me, is how the Turtles and the Power Rangers seemed to hang together all the time, despite this story taking place weeks after the first one. But given that this is a different universe, I guess anything is possible?

Reading this story made me think hard on why I decided not to buy the crossover figures... maybe if there is a wave for this sequel, I may consider getting some dimension X power rangers... we'll see...

[tmnt-multiverse-election]

Current Nominees

I am tagging the creators so they know if they've been nominated. If they wish to retract the nomination, they can let me know.

Donnie @phykoha (Tiny Mutant Feral Turtles) - 1

Future Leo @nani-nonny (Reunion) - 1

Tenoch Oroku @gelu-the-babosa-multiversal (Forgotten Clan) - 1

Donnie @consume6810 - 1

Omega @kathaynesart (Replica) - 1

Mikey @seaghost (TMNT: Bay Area) - 1

Reticent Leo @tmnt-reticent (Reticent) - 1

April @theartofeverything (In This Together) - 1

Donnie @kaysdenofchaos (Teenage Mutant Meddling Turtles) - 1

Venus @ (Jumpstart Separated) - 1

Sensei Donatello @theredponcho (Microwave) - 1

Swanattello @tangledinink (Swanattello) - 1

Mikey @ (Deep Water) - 1

Dai @sweeneydino (Paper Scales/Little Dragons) - 1

Hamato Antonello @ants-turquoisewave (Led Astray) - 2

Kasey Jones @caseyjones-junior (Krang Parasite) - 1

Baby Mikey @pezhead (Age Gap) - 1

Mikey's Cat @anomalysstuff (Anomaly) - 1

Splinter @broken-slime-boi (Grayscale) - 1

Yuichi Usagi @azucar-skull (Feral Casey) - 1

Marcelo @irequirealobotomy (Just Around The Corner) - 1

Leonardo @dancingthesambaa (Star Blind) - 1

Cerise Mylene Hamato @fanartmayhem (Mikey's Unplanned Purpose) - 1

Calamari @cokoweee (Quilt) - 1

Glamrock Raph @thejade-forest (RotTMNT x SB)

Ghost @AmevilloBlue (Ghost In The Shell) - 1

Casey Jones Jr @delicatechildwitch (Old Soul) - 1

Shelldon @mostlyvoid-partiallyturtles (Lifetime Achievement Award) - 1

Donatello @kaysdenofchaos (Battle Scars) - 1

Little Leo @misshowdoyoudo (Reminiscing That Old Time) - 1

Maro @eternalleader - 1

Villain Mikey @onionninjasstuff (Villain PB&J) - 1

Future Leo @cosmoscrow (Odd Man Out) - 1

Donnie @jacky_fruit3529 (Deep Water) - 1

Cassandra Jones @gremlinscomics (Check Yourself Before You Wreck Yourself) - 1

Donatello @cryptidofthecove - 2

Caiji @gornackeaterofworlds (Butterfly Effect) - 3

Mustachello @revitalizationrat (Mustachello) - 3

Poptart @intotheelliwoods (2 Arms Left) - 4

Toast @intotheelliwoods (2 Arms Left) - 3

Liam @fishsticksloser (Last Echoes) - 5

You have until the end of Friday this week to nominate. Show creators some support, ask them questions, and have fun.

[camilieroart]

Is there any dimension X mikey in the color-coded au??

Hello ! I do love Dimension X Mikey, but unfortunately it does not fit the story and the CC!Krangs at all, so I'm sorry to say no ):

In fact, Dimension X is actually not even explored at all, and barely talked about, at least in "season 1". It is entirely possible I'll come back to it in "season 3", we'll see!

[ask-maplessleo]

"Local slug tries to guess where on the '87 timeline the '12 crossover exists with the power of Wikipedia"

Ok! So, this is specifically the Wormquake Part 2 cameo and the episode 'Trans-Dimensional Turtles'. I can make no claims as to the other crossovers.

Evidence to narrow it down:

Rob Paulson voices Raph- seasons 1-9

Red Sky/ Gets dark- seasons 8-10

Krang is in play- seasons 2-8

Mikey fights with nunchaku- seasons 1-3

This evidence limits the potential range to after season 1 but before season 4.

As the Usagi Yojimbo crossover takes place in season 3 and the Technodome is sent to Dimension X in the finale of that very season, I would like to hypothesize that the episode 'Trans-Dimensional Turtles' and the cameo in 'Wormquake Part 2' occur between seasons 3 and 4 of the 1987 TMNT.

**Upon further inspection, it should be noted that Dimension X is a place where time operates differently and the Casey cameo in Wormquake Part 1 could be spying in on the future after he and April have actually met/ sometime between season 5 and 7???**

Shouting into the Void: Can anyone who has actually seen this show confirm or deny my conclusion/ evidence?