#ad revenue for webtoon canvas

[meanya]

Oh what the hell is this

[genericpuff]

Webtoon Canvas is pay-to-win now, I guess.

DISCLAIMER: All of the series I show here is for the sake of comparing statistics and criticizing Webtoons' Super Likes system. I have nothing personal against these series or their creators and I do not want anyone to get the impression that I am encouraging any sort of action against these creators. The following rant is merely my own observations and opinions concerning Webtoons itself as a platform.

I found out today that Webtoon has implemented a Super Likes ranking board.

This does exactly what it sounds like - it ranks Canvas series based on how many Super Likes they have. Whether or not this ranking board is on a weekly rotation (like the Originals rankings) or just overall, I don't know, but something immediately felt off with this system and it took very little time at all to realize what was really going on here.

When you actually click on the series listed here, it'll tell you how many Super Likes they've accrued overall. The first thing that made me raise an eyebrow was the fact that the Super Likes listed in the ranking boards isn't the same as what's listed in the comics' landing pages, but I chalked that up to a simple delay on WT's end as I can assume the ranking board doesn't refresh at pace with whatever Super Likes are coming in.

But the real red flag was this:

Limitless : Untold is a series with 1,657 followers and seems to get an average of 35-45 likes per episode.

But it somehow has 1,715 Super Likes?

Anyone who's run a Patreon, Ko-Fi, Ad Revenue, or any other sort of revenue-based system with their content will probably realize how that doesn't add up. The reality is that regardless of how many readers / followers you have, only a small fraction of them will actually spend money on your work or to support you. Not every person reading an Originals series is FastPassing. Not every person reading a webcomic is supporting the creator on Patreon. This ratio is even apparent outside of income-based statistics - for example, not every person who follows will read new updates each week and hit the like button (which is why you can have a comic with 1700 followers that only gets a few hundred views and a handful of likes per update). This ratio can be influenced by all sorts of different things, but one thing that doesn't typically happen is for the ratio to flip itself in this fashion.

To put it bluntly: how can a comic with a high of 45 likes in the past 3 months possibly accrue 1,715 Super Likes since it was launched just last week? You've probably already come to the conclusion on your own, but for those who haven't: there's very strong evidence to suggest that creators are buying their own Super Likes to get on this ranking board.

That's assuming the worst of this, though - after all, maybe some of these creators just have super supportive friends who are tossing them a ton of Super Likes? It costs $1 for 5 of them, in this example the amount of Super Likes comes out to approximately $343 (assuming my math is right lmao) which isn't massive amounts of money but it's, again, still really impressive for a comic with only 40 likes on average.

Bu Limitless : Untold isn't the only one in the rankings board that's like this. In fact, the top three spots are occupied by webtoons with the same tilted ratio.

But then, suddenly, after those top three positions, the following webtoons Super Likes totals that make a LOT more sense and reflect the usual ratio more accurately:

The Little Trashmaid, one of the most popular Canvas webtoons of all time and the first one to hit the 1 million subscriber mark in the Canvas section has only accrued 355 Super Likes so far... and you seriously want me to believe a comic like Limitless : Untold with only 0.08% of its readership is somehow genuinely earning five times the amount of Super Likes?

I want to make it clear yet again that I have nothing against the series that have managed to break the system in their own favor. None of this is meant to "slam" them or judge their work or anything of the sort, I'm simply comparing the numbers here and coming to a very reasonable conclusion as someone who's well aware of how ratios like this tend to work in webcomics and content creation. It's just not feasible for the top three comics in the Super Likes ranking boards to organically earn that many Super Likes relative to the sizes of their audiences, especially when compared to the bigger comics that are only pulling in a fraction of that amount. The ratios of Super Likes : actual likes for those bigger comics actually looks reasonable and expected, the ratios for the smaller comics that are sitting at the top are not.

If anything, Webtoons has created a broken system and these creators are simply using that system to their advantage. And I'm not necessarily going to fault them for that because I can get wanting to do whatever it takes to get eyes on your work.

But it does raise the question of what kind of system Webtoons has cultivated here - a system where creators are resorting to Super Liking their own episodes to bump themselves up in the leaderboards.

And before anyone asks me how I can be so sure that these creators are Super Liking their own works - I literally opted into the Super Likes system myself and proceeded to Super Like one of my own episodes.

(this is like the one helpful thing with my work still being on WT even though I'm not updating there anymore, it lets me test shit like this LOL)

So yes, this is a thing that creators can do and it would certainly explain the massive discrepancy in the ratio of Super Likes : regular likes for these smaller series.

This is literally pay-to-win. And who do we have to blame for this? Webtoons, full stop. Not only for implementing a ranking board for an optional monetization service while still allowing creators to use that monetization system to support themselves as a way to climb up that ranking board, but for creating this gross psychological dependency on the platform as the "only way" to build an audience, to the point that people are now paying Webtoons out of their own pocket just to have their thumbnail visible in a ranking board and maybe get some extra views (and 49% of their money back if they hit that $100 threshold). And on top of all that, further putting on the pressure of competition and 'exclusivity' among many budding creators who are doing what they do for free and for fun. Why are creators now being forced to compete in a metric that's solely determined by how much expendable income their own audience has?

Sure, at least this means creators can get themselves into a ranking board by their own power unlike the other categories that are hand-picked by Webtoons and / or determined by daily stats, but at what cost? The literal financial hit of paying for advertising with extra steps, and the ethical dilemma of essentially paying for potential views with microtransactions. This is no better than paying bots on Instagram to follow your profile and inflate your worth to those who aren't following you. None of it is real, it will not legitimize your work to throw money at Webtoons just to have your thumbnail visible in a ranking board. These are microtransactions meant to benefit Webtoons, not you, the creator.

[swordscomic]

5 Things To Think About When Starting A Webcomic

Finished Pages Are Better Than Perfect Ones You need to get in to a mindset of finishing pages and then moving on to the next ones. If you keep circling back to your first pages to fix things, you will burn out within a handful of updates. Your audience will be forgiving. They will actually enjoy watching you grow. Don't be a perfectionist.

Please Don't Start With Your Magnum Opus You have a big idea. Your Open-World MMORPG of ideas. It's a terrible idea to make this your first project. Your big idea will be much better served if you come back to it later once you have used a smaller project to hone your skills. You have no idea how many different things there are to learn about making comics in the beginning. I'm still learning things after 5 years. There is a high probability that you will give up early if you try to make your big idea before you've even developed the habit of making and finishing pages. If you're determined to ignore this advice, outline a pilot or a prologue and complete it first. If you can finish that to a satisfactory level, you can begin your main story.

Page Views Are Revenue There are lots of ways to monetize a webcomic, but ads are the most common and in most cases the most lucrative too. Monetizing on Tapas or Webtoon Canvas is based on page views. Consider: A comic with 1000 followers and 100 updates will make as much ad revenue as a comic with 10,000 followers and 10 updates, even if the number of panels in the two comics are the same. Making 4 panel updates works well for me in this regard, but even if you want to tell longer stories, think about it this way - instead of one update that is 50 panels long per week, you could break it in to 2 updates that are 25 panels long and effectively double your revenue.

You're Not Ready To Hustle You've finished your first page. You've posted it on Instagram. But it only has 2 likes and one of them was you. It's not the right time for you to start going around asking people to read your series. At best, people will have a look but have no reason to follow you (there is simply no evidence that you will make more) and at worst you've potentially alienated a bunch of people who you should have asked a bit later, when you had more to offer. No good can come of doing all that work early - it is wasteful and actually works against you.

Having A Schedule Is Good, Not Disappearing For A Month Is Better A schedule is always good, but readers worth keeping will have pretty realistic expectations that you're a human with other things going on. You don't have to become slave to some rigid calendar. Just don't disappear for a month. Try to set an expectation for yourself that if everything else goes wrong, you can do at least one update a week or fortnight. If people have to wait too long, they'll simply lose interest, or forget where the story was up to - and then those readers you already worked hard to attract will be lost.

[laweyd]

between webtoon and tapas, which site would you say is better for reading? (or supporting you hehe, if there's a difference)

I feel like both sites are pretty similar for reading, but I think I prefer Tapas for it's endless scroll hahaha

As for support.... Hmm it's a bit hard to choose between them since I can't tell if my webcomic is doing well or not due to my monthly updates hahaha it really depends on your liking and how you find the readers/community in each site!

I do get more support from Tapas due to a former webcomic of mine which allows me to turn on ad revenue for my current comic and the inks I get from people helps me a whole lot!

I got a lot of exposure and even more subs at webtoon thanks to them promoting my webcomic when it first came out in canvas, however since I switched to monthly updates my vieweship has gone down since I don't update weekly anymore and so less people are reading my comic (sadly, but understandably so 😩) You need 40k+ monthly views on your webcomic per month to get any income and I'm nowhere there yet due to how little views I get.

All in all despite my lack of weekly updates, I appreciate Tapas for putting me in front page of their "community comics" now and then. The people who subscribe to me there is less than at webtoon's but I feel more appreciated for my work there due to these promotions. I feel like my effort got seen at least (Not that webtoon makes me feel less loved by any means. I love all my readers, it's just how the site functions haha) In the end it depends on your personal taste and what you want from each site whetever it's for income, readers, subs, promotions etc. I would say a lot of people rely on Patreon for income either way !

[jamiebluewind]

Okay COMPLETELY random I know, but there's a Canvas comic (anyone can publish, doesn't have to be exclusive, only make money on webtoon via ad revenue) I've enjoyed for a while that got picked up and rebooted by Webtoon Originals (exclusively on Webtoons with a guaranteed salary, marketing, editorial support...). I just got a wild hair and wanted to support creator of it, so I decided to post the link to the comic here!

It's a fantasy comedy taking place in a dnd style world following Muir and Rowan as [spoiler words would go here, but na ;P]. The art is lovely, vibrant, and expressive and some of the chapters have sound that really matches the scene (in the same vein as 1HP Club). While the story in both Canvas and Originals begins in a ttrpg style dungeon, the story has already differentiated itself from the old version enough that I don't feel like I'm rereading something I have before while keeping a lot of the same vibe. There's only 5 chapters of the Originals version out (10 if you use coins), so easy to catch up on quickly if you wanna give it a shot.

I don't expect anybody to check it out, but I'm... honestly strangely proud of the creator for making it to Originals. A lot of my favorite canvas series have made it there and I think ones like this deserve to be supported when they are new and trying to find their feet and this one has impressed me so far.

[timandbash]

✨Exciting news!🎉

Last month we had over 75,000 views on Webtoon!

Now we receive ad revenue to support our work🥰

If you're loving Tim and Bash, please support us is by subscribing to our Tapas and Webtoon!

Tapas👉 https://tapas.io/series/Tim-and-Bash

Webtoon 👉https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/tim-and-bash/list?title_no=843640&page=1

[s-morishitastudio]

Demystifying Webtoon Earnings: How Much do Webtoon Artists Make?

Ever wondered how much webtoon artists actually earn? It's a burning question for aspiring creators, and the answer is... well, it's complicated, but this post will dissect the different income streams and give you a peek behind the scene.

It’s a burning question for aspiring creators, and the answer is… well, it’s complicated. There’s no one-size-fits-all answer, but this post will dissect the different income streams and give you a peek behind the scene. 1. Ad Revenue: This is the most common monetization method on CANVAS. If your webtoon attracts enough eyeballs (think thousands of page views per episode), you can display ads…

[redlenai]

Today was a dense day, I have never met an aspiring webcomic-artist as dense as a white dwarf star. Imagine you're approached to make a series "on your free time" for someone who says their series will become an Original just because they think their story is so amazing that they are SURE Webtoon is going to grab it. Imagine telling them the harsh truth behind the selection process, the whole series-pitching process, what Webtoon looks for, how they respond to you, the non-existen feedback they provide, the "we encourage you to publish your series in canvas, if it becomes popular we'll come back with a contract for you!" and get told by this person the following...

I'm going to pitch my series to become an Original, I won't make anything before it gets some Feedback from the staff because I don't want to waste time and I want to do things right!

Ugh I don't want to publish my series on Canvas, it'll take lots of time to achieve Ad Revenue or to get a nice following, I don't have the patience for that

I don't want to publish my series on Canvas, I want to save it for the staff because I don't want anyone to copy or steal it.

I can't pay an artist, I can't make money out of my art and I barely get commissioned once every three months

You have beautiful art, but you won't discourage me from becoming an Original just because of your experience. You don't need a CV, be on Canvas or win a comic contest for the staff to notice you!

You're so rude for telling me to get a side job to pay an artist or lawyer in case my story gets stolen, you don't know anything about copyright and registering a series is just SO expensive and filling DMCA claims are also expensive and a waste of time.

I won't get pirated if I became an Original duh, that's why I'm going to try, I'm sure my method will work and you'll see you won't discourage me to achieve it!

I know Original authors that got hired by Webtoon without being on Canvas, I can't tell you their names, they are from France, you won't know them, Google won't show you results of them

I have experienced meeting lots of amateur/novice artists who want to jump right into commissions without any experience/fanbase/public/portfolio. And in the webcomic community I have find a few authors who said at least ONE of the things on the list, not all of them at once...

[antiloreolympus]

This is more of a Webtoons critique but I HATE that it claims LO is the "global hit". True Beauty absolutely dominates yet in every server but for some odd reason it ranks lower than LO on the English server only despite having a million+ more readers and more likes in less time. It seems very suspicious to me to make an actual global hit fall behind a inferior Wester product for what, marketing purposes? That's just lying. No wonder LO flopped when put on NAVER, The USA is not "the world".

THIS!

It's obvious that webtoon prioritizes US viewers rather than all the views. Even for the ad revenue criteria on canvas, you need 40k US viewers.

So, if your comic blows up in Europe and has less than 40k viewers per month in the US, you can't even make money.

Anyways, Webtoon is so biased when it comes to LO and it shows with how much it's advertised.

[riv-kai]

Okay wow, remember in June when I said I would donate my comic’s ad revenue and my Webtoon Canvas June bonus?! Well you all literally donated $345 ???!!! to BLM and the LA LGBT Center solely through your VIEWS on my webcomic, “What-Sexual??,” during the month of June! I didn’t expect this and never have been able to donate this much money before, I’m so impressed with all of you yet again. I honestly haven’t made over $125 in a month for awhile on Webtoon Canvas, so you all majorly played a role in making this impressive milestone possible with your views as well as Webtoon Canvas for featuring the comic on an LGBTQ+ list for pride!! Thank you all for reading and to Webtoon for the support, I will be working hard to make more frequent updates during August and September to thank you! :)

Most importantly, let’s continue make sure the BLM movement doesn’t quiet down together! Consider yourself a helpful piece of the fight for anti-racism through this donation :)

You can find more ways to support or donate here: https://www.blmla.org for Los Angeles or https://blacklivesmatter.com

As for the Los Angeles LGBT Center, I especially love them because they support queer homeless youth in LA, many of them POC, AND also create housing for elderly LGBTQ residents which is often overlooked - many of them finally having a community to feel free to be themselves for the first time. They also are one of the only major LGBTQ+ safe spaces that provide trans* healthcare services in LA (other than Planned Parenthood)! Their support is incredibly necessary and life saving for so many people in Los Angeles and the best part is that I’ve been able to see it in action as a past volunteer so this is very special to me.

You can find more ways to support or donate here: https://lalgbtcenter.org

Anyways, happy Saturday and I hope you have a good weekend. Stay safe and well, I love all of you fellow weirdos! ❤️🌈✨

[miranda-mundt-art]

I noticed ur hiring a lineartist and I was wondering if you have to pay them or if the Webtoon Man ™ pays them? I wanna get into making webcomics but A. I’m a minor and it’s all Confusing (some ppl get payed for their webtoons? Wild. Exciting) and B. I have no understanding of how ANY of this works 😔

I get paid by WEBTOON per my contract as an Original (Featured) Content creator, but any help that I get (Like Rillie helping with flat colors or someone helping me with lineart) comes out of my pocket. 

But if you post your comic on Canvas then you are able to sign up for ad revenue once you get within a certain threshold of stats to make money that way :) so they pay that but its not the same kind of contract like what I have.

[fanfictionlive]

""Don't do fancomics.""

(warning; long text of wall and sorry for the bad english)

So yesterday I was in this webcomic discord server im currently in and there's an announcement on webtoon Twitter that you can finally add the "Webtoon Canvas" logo on your webcomic your hearts desires. This sounds great and all, except my webcomic is a fancomic and Webtoon is very shifty eyes when it comes to comics based on existing IP.

and when I compared to Tapas (the platform I'm using) and how mellow they are with their rules, there's this user pretty much starting a "um acktually" statement on me how tapas is just as stricted as others when it comes to fancomic, (though like I said, tapas is very mellow about it as long as you marked it that you don't own this existing IP) but then he dreaded the sentences at me; "if you're so inclined to do a ""fancomic"", why not do a, idk, original work?"

I took that as an insult and assuming that fancomic doesn't add up as hard work like original works. I told them off that it's not like I worked hard and struggled just as much as the others with story structure and character arcs. And he "sarcastically" said "yeah, it's not like I'm risking my life making a work based on someone else. That is why it is called an opinion. Basically for whatever cost, just don't do fancomics."

I told them that no shit I know that that's why once I'm reaching 100 subscribers I'll turn off rev/partnership program, and there's no good platform for me to put my webcomic so Tapas it is. And they reply to me back of how scared he is that I took this seriously and tell me to turn off ad revenue (i already told them, jeez) and that I'm doing this fun. Yeah, "fun". Goodbye good reputation on the webcomic server.

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[genericpuff]

since when does webtoon have shitty mobile game ads??? i’ve been off the app since the last LO update and just got back on for Punderwlrld and am so confused

oh are you talking about the treasure hunt thing? yeah i just found out about that a couple weeks ago, idk what the fuck's going on with it either, I feel like it immediately cheapened WT as an app LOL I also haven't been using the app, I re-installed it for a short time to catch up on comics and then deleted it again because of how frustrating it was to use.

What really sucks (from what I've heard about those 'free coin' events) is that those coins are LEGIT free. Like, they don't go towards the FP pool for creators. That was the case with the free coins earned from the events in the Canvas section at least, I'd like to think they get FP money from these ones considering they're paid-for ad sponsorships, but god knows. A lot of creators aren't getting their FP cuts anyways because of WT's minimum revenue threshold (basically a creator has to make back what the platform paid for their series before they get access to their FP money, and WT is VERY secretive about how far or close a creator is to achieving that number. It's straight up scumlord behavior.)

[s-morishitastudio]

Ways you Can earn money on Webtoon Canva

For todays Webtoon Artist Ramble Blog post I wanted to talk about ways you can earn money on Webtoon Canva~

You can earn money on LINE Webtoon and Tapas through their ad revenue program or creator suppport program but there are qualification rules~ As of 2020 I found that there are two ways you can earn money on LINE webtoon Canva for non-featured creators is through their AD Revenue Sharing Program or WEBTOON CANVAS Creator Rewards Program. FYI you will need to have a PayPal or a Patreon account/…

[s-morishitastudio]

How much can you earn from Webtoon?

||How much can you earn from Webtoon?|| I see this question a lot and I did a little research online and according to the page view graph the starting amount for no contract canva creators at 40k page views is $100 which I think is pretty cool!

If you’re thinking of publishing in LINE Webtoon Canva section then currently the starting amount you can make with their ad revenue program is $100~ They have different a ways for aspiring webtoon artist to earn money through different Tiers of their WEBTOON CANVAS Creator Rewards Program as well. Catch Me! Fight me! Love Me! Ep. 15 As of October 2020 here is a short run-down from their site…