#and also calling ships canon is annoying in general

[number-1-kuaidul-fanboy]

People in the VRAINS fandom be like: "Oh my gosh!!! Takeru and Kiku are canon because they stood on a hoverboard together and some guy who doesn't know either of them assumed they were dating!!!"

Those same people: "Hmm but are you sure Ai loves Yusaku in THAT way?? "I love you" can be friendly you know! He could've just meant that as a friend!! Why does everyone always have to make everything gay? D:"

Needless to say, if you have either of these takes, dni. This isn't about preferring one ship to another and if you genuinely believe that's even remotely my point, dni.

[eta-volantis]

I am starting to get annoyed with people calling LycaHugo and PhaiDei "bait" like there isn't even a canon straight ship wtf do you mean??? This is a game where they sell you characters, not ships. They can add them in as best they can while avoiding censorship, but they also have to allow player freedom to interpret relationships how they like because a lot of players are going to be attached to the chars they potentially paid for. If the game is full of confirmed straight ship then sure! Yes! The most crazy part is that the only confirmed ships Hoyo have are both wlw from HI3 like??? Not straight, last I checked. Hoyo does a lot of scummy stuff, but disregarding attempts to add gay ships around strict censorship that could fuck up their game as bait is starting to really annoy me. If they don't have it, they're scum, if they do have it, they're bait. Like what?? If you don't like the games then just don't play it, why is it so hard!!? Move on to something you like!!?? Continue to call for better ratio between male and female chars instead of trashing something they already actively do maybe??!!

[damnfandomproblems]

"The Bi Guy" Superpost

This is where we're gathering all the remaining inbox items submitted by that one anon. Keep in mind that you may still see some posted in the fandom problem queue, these were submissions that were already scheduled in advance before we decided to finish them all off in one big post.

People have dubbed this submitter "the bi anon", but we're just going to post all remaining submissions of his. This may include some that don't mention bisexuality at all. Submissions from other users on the topic of bisexuality will not be included in this and will receive the normal Fandom Problem image format at some point.

And just a disclaimer in advance, since these were all submitted on anon, we're just making our best guesses for which posts are his, based on formatting, proximity, theme, and for lack of better words, "vibes". It's possible that we could make a mistake at some point and include submissions from other posters. We apologize in advance if we make any mistakes.

Originally we planned to include everything into one big post, but there were so many and the post was already getting so long that I've decided to break it up into a few separate posts. This first post will comprise all the submissions he's sent from the months of February 2024 through May of 2024. So, four months, and we've still got quite a bit of catching up to do. Remaining posts to follow in the coming days.

February 2024:

Most of the time, it's pretty clear and feels like a vast majority of fandoms and in general, don't really care about bi men and only "care" about bisexual men either in fictional characters, in theory, in headcanons, celebrities, or celebrities they headcanon as bi. That last one is in the same boat as shipping real people. Don't do that. It's a huge ick and very gross. In addition to that, it's annoying watching the same people who praise and hype up a (internet) celebrity for having a "queer" taste in women, than assume those are the only men who are like that and men in general like this don't exist. Ridiculous to say, bi men have a "queer" taste in women than not stand by that view, say you need to be bi to be like this than not stand by said view and only pick a select few (straight) men as the good ones. It's even more irritating using this to dunk on men in general. Reinforcing stereotypes, one stereotype at a time. It also doesn't help that erasure is seen as a "privilege" for bi men, when much of the same people who claim that hate erasure directed towards themselves and don't hesitate to call it bigotry. "Bi men face a lot of erasure, therefore in being forgotten about and invisible, they have it easy! The fact they're erased and ignored means nothing bad happens to them!" Way to keep more in the closet. I understand them in some cases; why come out to a community that will ignore you and actively assume nothing bad happens? This view also does nothing for fanbases. Caring about fictional characters over real people will never be a good thing. Writing off all male fans as a bunch of dumb straight incels is never going to be a good thing. I wish things were different. Watching bi men posts turn into posts about fictional characters, and headcanons are never going to be good.

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"If there were more canon bi male characters, they would be shipped with canon bi female characters!" Lol, no, they wouldn't be. When a fanbase makes it crystal clear that they never want to see a (bi) female character as much as look in the same direction as a male character, they mean it. Also, why do we need qualifiers before accepting that some fans just genuinely like "straight" pairings? It's possible to just like it and call it a day. There's nothing wrong with that. And that shouldn't earn negativity from other fans who can just adhere to a "don't like it, don't read it," view when participating in fandoms. Lastly, what a fan does in headcanons is rarely an indicator of what they say about canon. Otherwise, you would see a lot more tolerance for bi female characters being shipped with men or acknowledged as being attracted to men in canon because of all the headcanons brought up the moment a "good straight" pairing rolls around.

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Many times, a fanbase comes up with some of the most boring and annoying reasons other fans should never even look at putting a female character with a male character. Or even just m/f ships in general. When they themselves could adopt a "I don't ship it but I'll leave shippers of it be," view, as opposed to bullying or forcing other fans to never touch these kinds of ships. "The main female character is in a relationship of the same gender!" I can see that. Not an indicator of who other female characters should be shipped with. Also, there will always be fans who ship the main character with other characters "She's a strong independent woman!" Falling in love is not a weakness, even for "strong" female characters. A fictional woman is not a weaker character for falling for a man and loving one deeply. "She's bi, that means never shipping her with a man!" I don't believe you know what that means. Or you just don't respect a bi female character being attracted to men. Also, it's possible to accept the fact that you'll never ship her with any of the male characters, but plenty of other fans will. "All the male characters suck!" That's an opinion. Even if that's somehow the case, OCs exist. "No one is allowed to ship her (with men)!" Not up to you. "She was abused by a man in canon! That means romanticizing abuse if you ship her with other men!" Plenty of women have gone through an abusive relationship before entering a much healthier one with another man. Fictional women aren't any different. "How can you look at her and believe she's attracted to men?" Stop stereotyping. A female character being gnc doesn't mean she's not attracted to men. "She hates men!" Most of the time when this is said, it's either haters projecting or a line or a scene taken out of context. Or both. Leave other shippers alone. It's not that hard.

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There is some sweet and REALLY annoying irony in how the moment a fictional woman is revealed to bi, she takes a complete nosedive in the shipping department. Irony only gets deeper when many of her fans who insist she must never as much as be even seen around a male character (because as we all know, that's what bi means, right?) in both fan and canon content act soo surprised by her sudden lack of fandom popularity as of late. My friends kicked out by the manager, YOU caused this on yourselves. Viewing a female character as incapable of being a popular character and one that is attracted to men at the same time is never going to be the win you think it is. Not even just in the context of bi female characters & biphobia. Female characters in general who are attracted to men in canon being seen by a fanbase as only worth attention and popularity when you ignore that attraction is not a win either.

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If you want to talk about how a fanbase feels about a fictional woman, you need to stop acting like it's exclusively men who have ever (irrationally) hated any female characters. Erasing certain fans who create discourse does more harm than good.

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If you want animation to stop being seen as lesser by audiences and the larger entertainment industry or regarded as "just for (dumb) kids" like many celebrities or famous people have condescendingly said in the past, you have to stop acting sooo surprised when animation does many wondrous things in both the animated and writing department just because most of it is for kids. "I can't believe this cartoon for children tackles so many serious issues in such a well-written way for children! Did I also mention it's a cartoon for children?!" Yes. Because children aren't idiots. And just because something is for kids does not imply the overall quality, nor does it imply being bad or lesser by definition. Your welcome to be surprised when something animated surpasses many expectations, but saying or implying it would be more possible if it wasn't for kids is rarely needed. "Animation can't be worthwhile or worth real respect! It's for kids Lol!" is just as annoying as "It's amazing how this animated movie for children is so well written despite being written for children." If you want animation to earn more respect and stop being seen as a lesser children's thing, you need to let go of this stance.

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It's amusing how much of the same people who go on and on about how other fans can't handle "complex" female characters, not only actively act like there are ZERO pre-existing examples of said characters, also tend to have some very dumb reasons for not handling them either. "THEY RUINED (INSERT FICTIONAL WOMAN HERE)!" "Oh no! What happened? Did they forget all of her character development? Was she reduced down to a stereotype? Down to a bunch of tropes? Is she losing character agency as the plot goes on? Don't tell me she's blatantly being set up for a badly written death!" "It's worse than that! They're... giving her a male love interest*! How dare they give strong female character a (male) love interest!" *It's even more frustrating when she's just shown to have a crush or just finds a (male) character attractive, and fans still get worked up. Or other fans aren't allowed to ship her with male characters in non-canon works for very stereotypical and annoying reasons, such as being a "strong female character."

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Unpopular Opinion: It's pointless for to go on and on about bi men having a supposed "queer" taste in women, if you're going to not stand by that and then turn around, and praise straight men with a "queer" taste in women, acting like they're the only ones like that. No surprise, more bi men don't come out with all this dismissal and erasure. Which is not only hurtful towards bi men. You all complain and stereotype about how straight men in general lack any real preferences (in both fictional & real women) outside of societal beauty standards that the moment you come across men who are different in this regard, you think it's smart to act like only a select few are like this while others are straight-up liars worth stereotyping. For example: "Why can't more men be like (insert male celebrity/internet celebrity here)?" Or "Only this (insert male celebrity/internet celebrity here) has a 'queer' taste in women." Plenty are. You all just hate seeing your stereotypes not be as widespread as you think. Another example: "Why can't more men be like (insert male character here) when it comes to women?!" This also does nothing for questioning men. E.g. you don't need to be bi to find gnc people of the same gender attractive. Reinforcing stereotypes, one stereotype at a time.

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I fail to see what's oh-so-evil when someone points out how a fanbase loves a bi female character points out how fans are NEVER (oe rarely) allowed to ship her with male characters. Or if she never displays any attraction towards male characters and they want to keep that way. In both canon and fanworks, unless it's laced with contempt. And honestly? If it turns out there's more bi female characters, this happens to than male characters? By all means, bring it up and give the problem more attention. "I respect this (bi) female character unless no one acknowledges her attraction towards men," will never be a smart take.

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"This fictional woman is a 'strong female character' because we remind the audience that she's better than the male characters and all those icky men, every second!" is A LOT more prevalent than everyone who stubbornly believes most writers these days have flawed male characters peacefully coexist with flawless fictional women, with some kind of invisible barrier between the two. And I'm tired of fandoms acting like that's not the case. Male fans shouldn't have to put up with all these depictions that are poorly disguised insults and caricatures, especially when written by women who try to hide their bad writing under something that's not even that deep. It's just their contempt for others, in this men. And more fandom women should stop viewing flaws in a fictional woman as some kind of insult towards them. Otherwise, you're not gonna see many good female characters anytime soon, like you used to.

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It's really bonkers hearing a fandom claim: "More would ship this if it was between a male character and a female character!" When most fandoms make it pretty clear, they only care for certain ship dynamics when it's between two fictional men or two fictional women. Anytime it's not, it's all "problematic" or some other nonsense. Made even weirder when it's a popular pairing to begin with.

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"Gays are the only ones with good taste in m/f ships!" Those same "Gays": Why are these bisexual characters being shipped by other fans with characters of the opposite gender??? Bi erasure is not just from the biphobic straight fans.

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There's something amusing in watching fanbases prop up certain characters that are also given more attention by the creators that they and the creators get sooooo surprised when said character is the one keeping that attention, winning awards related to said character in award shows. Or other big things. If you didn't want them to be this popular, why did you give them said popularity? You put them on the same pedestal you claimed you never wanted them on. There's a cause & effect on all actions.

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"I CANNOT BELIEVE THE BIGOTRY THAT IS ALIVE AND WELL IN FANDOMS TODAY! ESPECIALLY FOR CANON!" ... All I said was I don't ship Sam & Frodo? You're always going to meet fans who don't ship the same things as you. Difference of opinion is everywhere.

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Love to one day come across a tumblr blog run by a bisexual here that doesn't go on and on about all men are worthless and deserve to die. And then some of them have the audacity to be so surprised more bisexuals aren't coming out.

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There really needs to be a term (unless there already is one) for when an older male character is close to and looks out for a younger one, but calling it a father son dynamic is a bit of a stretch to some fans who want to purely view it as a close friendship. Especially if the younger character still has a good (alive) dad. And when the older of the two realizes/remembers what it means to be a parent. Or wants to be one.

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Nothing screams apathy harder than everyone who goes, "ARE THE STRAIGHTS OKAY!?" everytime a post about a woman mistreating a man rolls around. It's even more annoying when it's a post that actually puts the man in a sympathetic light, and yet there are still those comments being made. Yet the opposite is often treated as no laughing matter. Double standards, am I right? Made only worse by the same people saying it's men's own fault that they're not believed to be victims of abuse or rape. Also. Way to erase abuse victims of same-sex relationships. Yes, there are examples of posts of fictional relationships where this happens (because we all know how fiction usually tackles women on men abuse), but this is about real people. Tackling the issue in real life will most likely lead to less of it happening in fiction.

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While I sincerely doubt there is a shortage of well-written m/f pairings in media, in regards to many badly written ones, I can't help but feel as though a big problem with the way they're written is right there yet it continues to be ignored. Whether purposefully or just naively. That problem? Most audiences and writers don't ask how men feel about said m/f pairings. Men are just written off as either being why the pairing sucks, not knowing what makes a good one and/or not the ones to turn to because they're men. Even though it's a pairing between a man & a woman. This also sucks because men are rarely given the chance to voice how they feel about how male characters are depicted in m/f pairings. Just put up and be silent, especially around all the "fictional men are better than real ones!" claims. If you're gonna let women voice their critiques, you might as well let it go both ways. Which is most likely also why female characters mistreating male characters get ignored or swept under the rug. They're a part of audiences and fandoms as well. Excluding them goes against the idea that fandoms are inclusive of everyone.

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I'm sure it's been said before, but it's just odd to me when a fanbase insists more fans would ship (insert same-sex pairing here) if one of them was the opposite gender. Which is rarely ever true when a fanbase (these days) makes it pretty clear they only care for certain relationship dynamics if it's between two men or two women. "Enemies to Lovers only works if it's between two women! Women can't hurt each other like how men hurt women!" "More would ship this if it was a straight pairing!" The pairing: (a shonen rivalry between two male characters) Yeah, that isn't happening. But as I said before, it is certain ship dynamics. The fans who make this assumption usually don't point towards the ones where more or the same amount of shippers would ship it. And it gets annoying when said pairing is already very popular inside a fanbase, yet the shippers not only can't accept when they're wrong about this assumption but can't accept only like roughly 30% of a fanbase not shipping it. Differences of opinion will always happen. That's part of being in fanbase.

March 2024:

I'm never going to take any fan who refuses to acknowledge or believe there are any women who hates female characters, seriously. You can't want to change how a fandom feels about a female character and purposefully ignore half of the fanbase.

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I never really cared much for the trope to begin with, but I just LOVE how "himbos" has lost all meaning in the last few years in a fandom. And boy is it annoying watching a fanbase still try to cling to it. At first, it was fans (mainly women) romanticizing about male characters who are simultaneously the dumbest, kindest, and most muscular men fiction had to offer. And, for some reason, that's what a woman should be encouraged to look for in real-life men as well. Because a man with a brain is a red flag, for some reason. Anyways, it wasn't bad in some cases. It just got WORSE when a fanbase insisted that it's the only kind of male characters to write. So, of course, fans started to call every male character they like a himbo, not caring about the fact many examples didn't meet the all criteria, making the term lose all meaning. As long as it was a kind male character they liked, than they just went with it and straight to stereotyping. "My favorite ship dynamic is girlboss x himbo!" The himbo they're referring to: *a kind unathletic male character of average intelligence* Which is horrible, considering how many smart male characters are made dumb in fandom content just to appease these fantasies. Taking canon characters and flanderizing them should never be encouraged. And even funnier when they question the lack of "himbo women" in fiction. How about not turning every fictional woman, uber compentent, and absent of flaws?

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Canon: This character's trauma is valid and not hard to see why they snapped. It still DOESN'T mean they're allowed to hurt whomever they want, especially innocents who had NOTHING to do with it. Pay attention to how some characters may lose sight of what really mattered and became as evil (or worse) as those who hurt them. Most Fandoms: Problematic. Cancel the story right now. They did nothing wrong. This is now the worst writing in existence. Trauma means everything they do now was right and justified. Whose to say every innocent person they harmed was REALLY innocent? How dare the writers victim blame!

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One of the weirdest and most backward things I've encountered about shipping is the number of shippers that just utterly HATE when certain ship dynamics or clichés are not only written one way. You can only write enemies to lovers when it's two men or two women. You can only write enemies to lovers if it's two characters who argue. You can only write friends to lovers if it's two men or two women, or not at all, otherwise you're romanticizing incest. You can only write a ship between a male character and a female character if the former is madly in love with the latter; the opposite or mutual is erasing a woman's agency. You can only write a "strong female character" if she never falls in love because love is a weakness for her. I can't relate to any fan or shipper who thinks that way. Especially with the number of potentially interesting stories and/or pairings that get erased because a fanbase is too caught up in playing it safe. Yet, you can argue that a lot of these examples aren't even playing it unsafe. The fanbase needs to change.

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I know fans are welcome to ship whatever they want but oh my god, it is so disappointing when a women in canon is attracted to men and next to NO ONE in the fandom wants to explore that in fanon or any fan works. A fictional woman is a "strong female character" until fans even just acknowledge she's attracted to men. Her attraction to men is seen as lesser and an antithesis towards being a strong character. Love is a weakness, in many contexts in their eyes. A bi woman is so loved by a fanbase that most of those fans will tell others to NEVER ship her with any of the male characters. Apparently, being bi means not being attracted towards men. Because a woman was abused by a man in canon, that means her attraction towards men goes poof and no one is allowed to put her within 5 feet of a man. Even though loads of abused women in real life say otherwise. And let's not forget when a fictional woman being attracted to men is seen as "romanticizing abuse" on the basis of being attracted to men.

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I'm still amazed by the fact I have to say, "If you want a fictional bi woman to become popular in a fanbase, you have to accept there will be fans who ship her with men," to entire fanbases. "But she has no chemistry with any of the men!" That's just your opinion. "But shipping her with men is romanticizing/normalizing abuse!" Go outside. "But the icky men get in the way of my cute wlw ship uwu!" None. Of. This. Is. Canon.

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It's really annoying in Fandom where people get mad at others for shipping a confirm Bi Character with a character of the opposite sex in the show, especially weird when its implied the bi m/f will not canon, its just a ship people know won't be canon but just like the ship.

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Fandom: "We support our Bi Kings and Queens in canon!!!" Fandom *People start shipping Bi characters in m/f ships* Fandom: "No!! why are shipping them together!"

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It's amazing (and very annoying) how many women in fiction from a few years or even decades ago would be viewed as "repressed lesbians" if the stories they starred in came out today. As opposed to audiences respecting the source material and stop viewing all the headcanons and non-canon shipping they do as canon. Or accusing writers who don't deserve it of being bigots. It's not a good thing that this is the case. It just goes to show how many people are chill with stereotypes when they're the ones doing it.

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There's some hilarious irony in watching the same people who go on about "normalizing gnc," throwing hands the moment they see anyone who is gnc is in a relationship with the opposite gender. In regards to both real people and fictional characters. Always halting the progress before it begins.

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"I can't believe the amount of sympathy the fanbase had for this character dropped, all because they attacked (or worse) whomever they wanted!" Good. A character's trauma can never be an excuse to hurt innocent people who had nothing to do with it.

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It's amazing when a bi woman is not ashamed of her attraction towards men in canon and maybe even open about said attraction, yet fanbases ignore it at every turn. Because most fandoms and most people in general can't conceptualize a bi woman not going on about how much she hates men or feels ashamed or wishes she wasn't or just makes fun of being attracted towards men; fans love to ignore that she is none of those things. And man, does all of this show in shipping circles. As seen in fanart and fanfics that make it looks like she hates being attracted towards men and ignores canon like the plague. Clearly, fanon is better (it's not). Or worse. They take a scene or line out of context to prove she is bi and hates men. Just be more accepting of it. It's not hard at all.

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People SERIOUSLY need to stop asking for Bi representation for a character if they’re just going to get mad when said character is in a relationship (or just shipped in general) with the opposite gender. Like, do you guys KNOW what Bisexuality means??? It’s not watered-down Homosexuality, it’s just as valid.

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"Misandry doesn't exist" What realm do you live in?

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It's interesting watching the same fans who call every fictional adult woman with breasts "sexualization!" based on just having them. Often calling for them to be flat chested immediately, when many of them will yell, "child-coded!" on the basis of that. And no doubt already have for pre-existing female characters.

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"I can't believe the audience preferred the flawed male character(s) OVER the perfect female character(s) who we blocked criticism of at every turn!" And? What else were you actually expecting? It's basic logic at play.

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"Why aren't there more women in fiction who snapped and became evil after losing the man they loved deeply and adored?" Y'all can barely handle when a woman is a "strong woman" and loves the male love interest she is with, often viewing it as her "losing all agency by the writers" or "she can't be a strong woman and with a man" on the basis of such. Is it any surprise that something this complex is avoided by writers, when fans get this unnecessarily worked up over something this simple? It should come as no surprise something as deep as this is avoided. Especially considering how much hate a fictional man gets for daring to be with a fictional woman and, considering how many hate the simple idea alone of her caring this much about a man. "WHY does she care so much for HIM!? HE'S A MAN!" I wish more or anyone would tackle this concept for a female antagonist as well, but some introspection is worth looking at. And biases that need to end now.

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I don't see why one should take discussions about "sexualization," of female characters seriously when the majority of those involved call flatchested (and/or short) women in fiction "pedophilia" or "child-coded" and simultaneously assume the creators are pervs. Made humorous when it's a woman doing the supposed "sexualization" and they still assume it's men, staying in denial. It really is blown out of proportion in many cases.

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"I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS FANBASE ERASED THESE TWO BI WOMEN AS LESBIANS JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE WITH EACH OTHER! Bi erasure is horrible to see a fanbase embrace!" "Have you tried not erasing their attraction towards men? Or leaving fanfics that ship them with male characters alone? And stop acting like they either hate men, when they don't, or they're only good characters if they hate on men?" "NEVER! ALL MEN DESERVE TO DIE!" Seriously. Y'all want to avoid bi erasure so badly yet contribute to it yourselves and act so surprised that you are. Or are you well aware of this and want to end bi erasure but draw the line at liking men. No wonder a fictional woman takes a nosedive in terms of shipping the moment she's revealed to be bi.

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It's amazing how next to NO ONE actually stands by the stereotype of "you need to be bi to find (fictional) gnc men and/or (fictional) gnc women hot!" in execution. Only in theory. And yes. That stereotype does more harm than good. As most of them do. You don't need to be bi to find those kinds of people (or characters) attractive. There are plenty of straight women (for example) who find feminine men attractive. That's rarely ever a statement on their sexuality; only a statement if a lot of them realize they are attracted to women as well. It is interesting how, once again, most only stand by this in theory. Most of the time, they won't even assume bisexuality of other people while still stereotyping. E.g., "You need to be bi to find (insert character here) attractive!" (Later) "... Why do so many men find her attractive??? Can't they look at her and tell she's not for dumb straights!" Or assuming only certain men find gnc women attractive (and vice versa), and all of them in general are just creeps or fetishizers. It's really not hard to understand. Straight men are attracted to women. Straight women are attracted to men. It REALLY isn't hard to understand. And don't misunderstand me. This does hurt bisexuals because it's such a boxed in and stereotypical view. For example, a bi woman being with a man (or the opposite) who looks like an average person shouldn't receive so much anger. This is anything but progressive, and it's very telling how many so-called "progressives" believe it to be.

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Nothing is more telling than when a fanbase assumes a character is a victim of assault based on how "conventionally" attractive they are or aren't. Or when a character is in canon, but biases such as those prevent most fans from viewing it as canon. This is almost as bad as a character's gender affecting that stubborn view ("How is this character a victim? HE'S A MAN!")

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There's nothing like watching a bunch of people who aren't bi call actual bisexuals "straight" and spread biphobia onto them for the most petty reasons. (Not any better when it's other bisexuals by the way) Yes, there are bisexuals who don't need to headcanon the male and female characters in a pairing as bi in order to like said pairing. Yes, there are bisexuals who ship bi characters with characters of the opposite gender. Yes, there are bisexuals who are accepting of bi female characters and don't erase her attraction towards male characters. Yes, there are bisexuals who find (insert character here) attractive. Yes, even THAT character. Yes, there are bisexuals who headcanon THAT character as bi and enjoy the wide array of characters to ship them with. Both male and female. Yes, even the ones commonly headcanoned as gay. None of this deserves biphobia. Please be more mindful and nuanced of others.

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"I miss when there was no drama, no discourse, no ship wars, no morality contests and nothing negative going on in fandoms." Me, a Fandom Dinosaur: ... There was always negativity like this. It just got worse in certain areas when it shouldn't have. And as much as I hate to say it, ship wars are always going to be a thing because shippers exist in basically every fanbase, and not each of them avoid discourse. Some start it. Fandoms in recent years just felt the need to tag more "moral indicators" onto it for no reason and/or just made them more apparent and known to all fans (e.g., "If you ship this! You hate female abuse victims/all women!") There's nothing wrong with wishing things were better, but acting like there was never anything wrong forgets how long a lot of this has been around for and needs to end by now.

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When people only want to make a character “Bi” so they can be attracted to the same gender and then call YOU Homophobic when you ship them with the opposite gender. This is mostly annoying when said character is possibly Straight, because it seems like they’re just using Bisexaulity as a tool to have their precious gay ship and deem any wlm ship as “siblings”. These are the same people who will claim that “Bisexuality is just watered down Homosexuality”. How Biphobia/Bi-erasure can you get??? Doing shit like this, you’re is just making Bisexuality more invalid, which is terrible.

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"It is homophobia when male celebrities are disgusted over being shipped together and the fans are the ones being told to stop all their gross fantasies around their friendships! As celebrity men aren't allowed to say anything unless they want to be labeled as homophobes. And it's a good thing that we do call them that!" Go. Out. Side. Touch. Some. Grass. These are real life people you're being gross around. Save this for the characters they may play but please don't view that as "ship fuel" for what relationships they have outside of this.

April 2024:

It's possible to enjoy a close canon friendship between two characters and leave the fans who ship them alone. For example, for every "close m/f friendship," you love, there always will be fans who ship them, and just because you don't, doesn't mean they're not allowed to. There's no need to insist that no one can ship them or shout something unnecessary like, "Only boring people ship this!" Or "Why can't fans let men & women be friends!" (Way to nitpick) Differences of opinion should be embraced in a fandom.

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Me, joining Tumblr for the first time: Wow! So many fellow bisexuals! (5 minutes later) And they won't stop talking about how much they hate men, and the world is better off without them. Facing no consequences. Great (sarcasm). At least they're not surprised more aren't coming out while doing this... ... (further sarcasm)

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There is nothing more telling when the same fans who call a series, "so bad, it's good!" When it is legimately well-written and they actively ignore that for the most fussy reasosn. Even more when they are also (toxic) shippers. You'll lie about a work of fiction just because your ship isn't canon? Go outside.

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"Fandoms are meant to be escapist!" - Says the same blog that says all art is political regardless of how much people say it isn't.

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I love how all the "representation" in the last 10 or so years in media has just encouraged more people to watch older media and/or media from their childhood. Bad writing is bad writing, and no amount of "WE HAVE REPRESENTATION!" Is going to erase that. Which is funnier when older media has "representation" and so many people act like they didn't. They just understood better writing and not making it such a big deal. Or they acknowledge it to prop up something from today that either doesn't get it or defend the bad writing of another series. There's more "representation" and good writing in a season of Rugrats than most TV shows in the last few years.

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I'm just gonna say it out loud. If you want a fanbase to treat more fictional women with the same level of "shippability" as some of the male characters, you have to leave other fans be. And stop hating the simple idea of a female character who doesn't hate being attracted to men. Or acting like other fans shouldn't ship her with men. Yes, those fans won't always be the same person (some ship her with men, some with other women, some both, you get the idea), but I'm talking about the fandoms at large. No, it is not "romanticizing abuse" towards women when a female character is given a male love interest. No, a "strong female character" is not less of one for having a male love interest. No, a fan doesn't think less of her for shipping her with a man. That alone is not evidence. No, she doesn't lack chemistry with the male characters. That's subjective; also, fanfic writers often do more with them and often better. In addition, OCs exist. Even if the "all male characters have no chemistry with her (and/or are badly written)," was true, original male characters exist. You shouldn't judge OCs based on canon characters who fanfic writers did not make. If you want more fandoms to embrace the cringe (affectionate) of xOC pairings, that also applies to canon female characters x male ocs. All of this also applies to bi female characters. Yes, that means accepting if they don't hate being attracted to men in canon. Yes, that means accepting the fact that some fans do ship them with men. What do you think bi means? Yes, that means Many times, fans claim to "protect" a female character when they're clearly doing the opposite. And hurting many fans in the process.

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A character being mean doesn't instantly translate to being morally gray. It's not always an indicator of their morals. Oftentimes, just a part of who they are.

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Bisexual blog: *exists* Me, who is also bi: "Cool! I can't wait to see it mys-" That same blog: *keeps going on about how all men must die like it's a good thing, wishes death on all men, says being attracted to men is disgusting and horrible, makes rude & biphobic comments about anyone who isn't ashamed to be attracted to men, says being bisexual is "half-failed" when attracted to men; "half-success" when attracted to women* Also, that same blog: *claims to be accepting of all bisexuals here and still spreads positivity* Me: "Don't know what I was expecting. This isn't the first blog where this has happened. And they wonder why so many stay in the closet..."

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"We need more bi characters because they help more bisexuals to come out! Representation matters!" They scream before treating real people as fictional characters and fictional characters as real people. Bullying all around and forcing more to stay in the closet. "Why is this bisexual character being shipped with the opposite gender? Damn straights." "Why are you shipping this bi female character with men?! ONLY DUMB STRAIGHTS DO THAT!" "I don't trust fans who ship (insert bisexual character here) with characters of the opposite gender! They must be straight!" And many more.

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Full offense, but as someone who is bi, I can't stand the insistence that every "good" ship between a male and female character needs to be headcanoned as bi in order for you to like it. You are not going to die liking a pairing between two straight characters. Especially when much of the same fans who do this have such a stingy relationship with canon bi characters. No, it is not romanticizing abuse towards women when some fans ship a bi female character with a male character. Also, how hypocritical. You will headcanon every pairing between a male and female character as being two bisexuals in disguise, all because you see being straight as something inherently toxic, but fans aren't allowed to ship canon bi characters with anyone they want? The insecurity speaks for itself.

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Calling enemies-to-lovers "romanticizing abuse" makes about as much sense as calling friends-to-lovers "romanticizing incest" and it's time fandoms start to retire those retorts. It's been around for WAY too long.

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I hate how normalized and casual it is to treat the men in fandoms like crap. "Men are not allowed to like (insert series here)!" "Only men ship this horrible m/f pairing!" "Men are not allowed to draw (insert fictional woman here)! Only women can like her!" "Men are not allowed to like (fictional woman here)!" "All male shippers do is imagine themselves as the men in m/f pairings to take advantage of (insert fictional woman here)!" "FORBID MEN FROM DRAWING (fanart)!" "BAN MEN FROM WRITING (fanfiction)!" "Keep this fandom men free!" "This male character is better than every man alive!" "All male fans are incel, neo-nazi, overweight, neckbeard, perverted manbabies!" "Why are other women coming to the defense of male fans? THEY'RE MEN!" And no doubt many more. Fandoms should be accepting of everyone, and that means everyone.

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I love how it's always, "respect all female characters!" Until it's one, a fanbase can't project their hatred of men onto.

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"If this show was made today, the evil side would condemn it for being too woke!" And you all would call all the flatchested female characters "children-coded" and accuse the creators of being perverts. Or accuse the creators of "romanticizing abuse towards women" because they gave a female character a male love interest. Or accuse other fans of being pedophiles because they ship a pairing you don't like. Whichever comes first. :)

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I hate when a fictional woman is given many options of both male and female characters to ship her with, but the fanbase can't help but reduce all the male characters to boring and uninteresting options for her that only the dullest of people ship her with male characters, (Or worse; assume abuse is wished on her, just on the basis of fans shipping her with male characters) And then the fans who do this discourse have the audacity to question why she's so untouched in the world of shipping and overall ship content. Stop projecting for one minute.

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Just because you view every pair of male and female characters as siblings does NOT mean no one is allowed to ship them, nor are the fans "romanticizing" incest. A difference of opinion should always be embraced in a fanbase. No matter how hard you try, it's going to be there.

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It's funny to me how watered down to nonsense some things are in a fandom, because so many fans lack nuance and expect to be praised for the lack of such. "THIS EVIL MALE CHARACTER IS A RAGING SEXIST!" The male character in question: *teases both men and women they are friends with* Which is funnier when the opposite is seen praiseworthy and "let's welcome our man-hating queen!" just because fans purposefully don't get a woman playfully teasing her male friends. Funniest when the fans who do this get so shocked if she ends with a man down the line. Your only evidence was misinterpreting teasing and banter? Weak.

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I hate it whenever there's a post on Tumblr about men being able to defend themselves from abusive women, the notes either feel the need to make it gender neutral (where's that when posts purposefully stereotype abuse as purely man on woman? Double standards), defend the women who mistreat innocent men, or say neither side should be hitting one another. In regard to the last one, first off, stay on topic. It's hit "back" for a reason. And you know that. Stop being ignorant. Secondly, I love how no one treats abusive men the same. They see them as unreasonable abusers who won't listen to words and need to be dealt with immediately. While abusive women are so complex and just need to be talked to in order to stop. I'm sure they didn't mean it! Thanks for the double standards. I know who not to call when a man is abused by a woman. Third, stop defending abusive women. Men have every right to defend themselves as much as every other abuse victim.

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One of the most interesting (yet often annoying) things to see happen in a fanbase is assumptions on how a character reacts to crushes on them. Two things: most crushes are one-sided, AND it's not always a universal indication of a character's sexuality. Maybe a male character rejects a female character because he is attracted to men, OR they are attracted to women; this one they are either not into, only see as a friend, or has little regard for their personal space and/or can't take no for answer. Opposite is also true. Yes, this fictional woman fell for another male character after rejecting one they're not into; pay attention to why. Don't even get me started on all the bi erasure that comes with all this assuming. Most fans either assume gay or straight. Nothing else. No, this canon bi woman (for example) rejecting 1 male character doesn't mean they're bi and hate men or gay and hate men; they're not attracted to this one in particular. Not every character who rejects a character of the opposite gender is telling the audience they're not straight. Many times, they just don't share the same feelings as another character, who just so happens to be of the opposite gender.

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"None of the anti m/f shipping discourse hate on the male characters in those pairings!" Y'all assume the writers are romanticizing abuse towards women, just for giving a (strong) fictional woman a male love interest. Or the creators, who are male, are clearly projecting onto the men in these pairings. Or the male fans who are fans of these pairings just have some gross "power fantasy" with the women in them, over genuinely liking said pairings. Or go on about how the women in these pairings "deserve better" than this. Or just hate certain male characters on sight. Only confronting half the problem helps no one.

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I really can't stand how bisexuals (both real AND fictional) are treated as some kind of political stance to support very flawed and idiotic views. "ALL BISEXUALS are sexually attracted to men, so men (who DO NOT deserve it) know what it feels like to have evil sexual attraction towards them! AND romantically attracted to women because they're the fairer sex who don't feel evil sexual attraction and are the only ones who experience romance!" Way to keep more people in the closet by being this boxed in.

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A fandom's inability to acknowledge all the women in it who hate certain female characters is just plain stupid. And will only halt them from being more popular. Assuming all the women in a fanbase loves each female character on the basis of just being a woman, erases all the haters. If you want a character to be popular in a fanbase, you have to call out all haters. Both the men AND women. And differentiate between the haters and fans who just don't like them. Not everyone who doesn't like them is a hater or a raging sexist. It's just their opinion.

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"Everyone who has ever asked why two characters can't stay friends, are CLEARLY homophobes!" My sister kicked into Hell, you look at every pairing between a male and female character asking why they can't stay friends, while praising those same tropes put on same sex pairings. This isn't a bigoted problem. It's a difference of opinion from fans that certain fans don't want to accept, often out of ego.

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It's amazing how simple the lesson of "this character's trauma is not an excuse for them to hurt whomever they want; especially innocents who had nothing to do with said trauma," is so despised by audiences these days. This is what separates the "heroes" from the actual heroes in a work of fiction. Yes. A character is not a "hero" if they hurt whomever they please, as opposed to those who wronged them, and view it as justified. What else were you expecting?

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I hate when bisexuals are treated as some kind of unarguable or "you must agree with this, or else!" view in fandoms. "All bisexuals only feel sexual attraction towards male characters and men! Now, men know what it feels like! No man alive provides romantic relationships!" "All bisexuals only feel romantic attraction towards women and female characters! Women are the pure, fairer sex! Everyone who feels sexual attraction towards women is a damn freak! No one finds 'sexy' women in fiction attractive!" It's funny how much of this same stance comes from the same people who call fictional women "child-coded" on very empty reasons.

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Just because a problem in a fanbase got worse as of late, does not mean it came out of thin air. For example; shippers who believe shipping will lead to their ship being canon. And getting angry when it does not. This has been around for awhile. It's just dragged in more toxicity in recent years. And questionable viewpoints ("You can't ship them with Character B! It romanticizes abuse! The ship with Character A is the healthier pairing!"). It's important to know how old a lot of these problems are.

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When a bi female character has a wide selection of both men and women to ship her with; I hate when the fanbase decides all the male characters you can ship her with are all the "boring" or "lukewarm" or "only lame straights ship her with men" ones. Or her attraction towards men is seen as lesser and "it doesn't count" in the eyes of an entire fandom. Or giving her a male love interest is seen as "romanticizing abuse" by these same fans. And then the fanbase has the audacity to question why she's barely used in shipping while doing all of this.

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Everyone hates corporations until some of them make a huge "men bad" comment. How easily swayed a lot of you are.

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"I can't believe more bisexuals won't come out!" - Said the same Tumblr Blogs who won't stop talking about how horrible and disgusting it is to be bisexual and attracted to men. "No bisexual is actually, happily attracted to yucky men! If they are, something is wrong with them!" You are the ones keeping more in the closet.

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It's astounding how many fandoms get so angry seeing the ship of bi female characters often involve shipping them with male characters. Like, yeah? What else were you expecting? If you want fictional bi women to be popular in fandoms, that means letting fans actually embrace the "bi" part of them. You can't say, "I want (insert bi female characters here) to be used more by fans!" And then get worked up that some of them put them with male and female characters. Also, don't act so surprised or mad if these fandoms avoid as much as looking at her or others. You forced fans into not wanting to touch them unless they abide by strict guidelines, or else. Putting limits on other fans will only limit fancontent and thus, how often you'll see her in said fancontent. Shipping bi characters gets enough toxicity as is. Avoiding this should be necessary.

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The amount of FEAR a fanbase has for a strong woman potentially ending up with a man is just plain pathetic. Made even more pathetic when shippers are afraid to ship her with male characters due to how widespread the negativity is. "You can't be a strong female character and have a male love interest!" Go. Outside. Love is not a weakness.

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"Finding a female character hot means you DO NOT respect her as a character! You can't admire her as a well-written character AND find her physically attractive!" Go Outside.

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"It's so EVIL when you KNOW a character is BISEXUAL but the writers don't!" "Does that mean the fanbase is gonna leave fans who ship them with characters of the opposite gender alone?" "NEVER!"

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It's amazing how many fandoms answer their own questions, yet remain so unnecessarily confused like the answer isn't right before them. "This character/show was made for bisexuals!" A few seconds later. "WHY ARE MEN HERE!?!" Take a wild guess.

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"Back in my day, we NEVER shipped with the hopes our ships became canon, and we NEVER got any ship wars." I hate to break to you, but this was always a thing. Ship wars did not just pop into thin air a few years ago, and doing so erases how long this has been an issue.

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Would be nice to have more kind male characters in modern media who aren't also dumb idiots.

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While there's nothing fundamentally wrong with having this kind of headcanon, it really grinds my gears when the majority headcanon in a fandom between two unrelated grown ass adult men is a father/son relationship, just because one is a mentor to or just older than the other. It especially grinds my gears when I'm considered "weird" for enjoying them as a ship.

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I find it very frustrating in one of the fandoms I'm in how there are people who are like "it's ridiculous that there are people who think these two male characters have a father/son or master/student relationship, the way they interact and speak to each other is not how people in the culture the series is from would behave if they had that relationship' like I'm from that culture and they are absolutly right, in my culture you would not speak so casually to a parental or teacher figure. however the thing that bothers me is that most of the people bringing it up insist that since they relationship can't be father/son or student/teacher, then obviously the only option is lovers. And they act like anyone who thinks the relationship could be platonic is a total idiot and disrespecting the culture. But the thing is that while yes, the way the characters address each other is a way that lovers might, it's also a way close friends or siblings might. There are multiple options for what their relationship is besides father/son and student/teacher that could be the case. But they totally disregard that and treat people horribly for not bending over and agreeing that their ship being canon is the only possible option. Like can you not fucking ship your ship without trying to stop other people from interpreting things differently

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A lot of fandoms these days are full of fans who are under the impression that there is clearly "something wrong" with other fans who wishes there was less "politics" in media and most media these days focused more on quality over politics being brought up. When they are the ones who are in the wrong. First off, most turn to fiction for escapism. They rarely want to connect what they're doing for fun to current events in the world. Secondly, that dates media fast and I mean FAST. Making EVERY. SINGLE. Movie, TV show, cartoon, video game, etc, also be about the current politics and events in the world is gonna leave audiences with less reason to care about it years later, when those same current events become a thing of the past. Thirdly, no. Just no. The examples you bring up of older media pulling off "political" themes in fiction were most likely not entirely political to begin with. Or political at all. And even if some of them were, as I'm sure many examples have crossed your mind by now, that was less of the focus and more focus on the themes themselves. Plus, they most likely wrote it with more talent than most writers these days, who are waiting on fans to defend it for reasons that have little or anything to do with writing quality. In addition, that LIMITS the kinds of stories writers are trying to tell to audiences and fans. "Freedom" for example, cannot be a purely a political theme when writers can do so much more with it. Lastly, all of this applies to fandoms. If the fans don't want to talk about politics 24/7 with people who make wrongful assumptions about others and focus elsewhere: Good. For. Them.

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I really can't stand when the "we need fiction to teach important lessons" is made biased and selective by fans. "I hate how they removed this one male character being sexist for 3 episodes because we need to teach little boys that they're all born fat, misogynistic, rapist, incels who deserve to die and can retain some decency!" "Are you gonna recognize the importance of the same lesson when writers say it's wrong for a woman to hate every single man? It can go both ways." "NEVER!"

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"This male character barely, if ever CRIES at ALL! THAT MEANS! HE'S A HEARTLESS JERK and MUCH more evil than the antagonist(s)! AND the writers are CLEARLY saying men aren't allowed to cry!" The male character in question: *kind, looks out his friends and loved ones, compassionate, enjoys making other people happy, sympathetic for others who have been hurt and still expresses a wide range of emotions* As it turns out, crying is NOT the only way to express one's emotions and writing off characters, male in this case, as being a heartless person for the lack of it is ridiculous. I hope no one who does, this treats the real-life men their friends with like this. This mentality is too close-minded for its own good.

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Common pet peeve; fans calling something plot armour when it isn't.

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One of the problems with, "bring back [more] canon x OC!" is not tackling how many fandoms live in pure FEAR of other fans shipping canon female characters with male OCs. Made more frustrating when some of the canon female characters in question are bi. If you rightfully hate the opposite, this shouldn't get a free pass. You can't want certain characters to be used more in fancontent and not stand by that want.

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It's pointless to go around saying, "Fandoms are a safe space for everyone!" if you're going turn to around and write off all the male fans as a bunch of degenerates.

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The worse piece of "criticism" for "The Simpsons," is how it's "so great" that Lisa went from feeling like an actual kid in older episodes, to just being a mouthpiece for whatever the current issue in the world is. And that piece of "criticism" should be taken into account for anyone who writes children characters. Not making them feel like children is bad writing.

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Media illiteracy is astounding, and I hate how well-written stories have stereotypes and projection forced on them, all because the audience can't enjoy what's there and feels the need to replace it.

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I'm not sorry, but I can't vibe with any fans who insist ALL m/f ship dynamics and relationship tropes only work one way and ONE WAY alone. Made more annoying by all the double standards that follow. "This harmless thing is romanticizing abuse towards women!" They scream before shipping it when the dynamic is reversed. How telling. Not only that, but all they're doing is limiting creativity in shipping and character pairings. Both in fan-content and official content.

A woman who is deeply and madly in love the man she's with, can be just as interesting as the opposite.

A woman who wants to burn the world after losing the pure-hearted man she loved can be as intriguing as the opposite.

Pathetic female characters can be potential love interests of male characters, not just the opposite.

A grumpy female character with a kindhearted male character can be as cute as the opposite.

There's bound to be more. And I wish more fandoms understood all of this. And I hope they do.

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There is no bigger slap in the face on Tumblr than coming across a bisexual blog, and it's full of posts about how being attracted to men is horrible, and everyone attracted to them are disgusting.

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It's so odd to me when a fanbase acts like you can't like two characters at the same time, all because of the contrast they share in canon. Or one made by them. e.g., "They're both in-love with the MC (or potential love interests for said MC), how can you be fans of BOTH of them?" Chances are, they have identities and character outside of this. Or some of us are fine with either pairing happening. Or we're multishippers. And fans don't really care either way. Not every fan who likes Character A views that as some kind of intended attack on Character B. This is made even more nonsensical when the contrast between both characters is a major part of both characters. And we as fans are supposed to pay attention to said contrast, since it was written by the writers into them and for us to notice.

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"If these two characters were not of the same gender, you would ship them!" No. I most likely wouldn't. Why? 99% of the time, I ship based on tropes and ship dynamics. Changing the genders of the characters won't erase how "meh," I feel about pairings I don't find too interesting. A boring fictional pairing between a man and a woman is just as boring as a pairing between two men or two women. This is amusing when this same accusation is often made by the same people who refuse to ship certain pairings unless both characters are the same gender. And insist that everyone who doesn't ship the same as them are bigots. No. A lot of the time, fans just like or hate ships regardless. No biases present.

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The hypocrisy of a fanbase to say, "Looks aren't everything!" Then immediately turn around and go on and on about how ugly an unconventionally attractive actor is. With the occasional comment on no one having (insert facial feature here) being an attractive or a good person. With more comments about how no one finds him attractive and everyone who finds him attractive is a gross person.

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"I cannot believe even after everything this male character has done for the woman he's with and madly in love with, the fandom still writes him off as just some jerk!" Because he's a man. Who cares if he has a bunch of positive traits? The fanbase won't care. It doesn't endear him in their eyes. Once a hated male character, always a hated male character. Especially if they would rather see her with a woman and don't see what the issue is in resorting to actively lying about him. Or accepting other fans who do like shipping her with him.

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Not everyone who says "This character deserved better," is talking about them in the context of how they were written. Some are. Some are talking about the life they lived in canon. As we see with tragic characters. Context matters.

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I'm never going to feel bad for fandoms that lack the ability to acknowledge women who hate female characters. You can't keep the attention exclusively on toxic men and be surprised by the lack of progress you play a part in halting. "This female character is a bad role model for young girls!" is often said by fandom women. Amongst others. I fail to see the appeal in letting them off the hook.

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I'm never going to be a fan of the assumption that every straight man is a bi man who is too much of an insecure jerk to come out ("They put themselves in the closet! Those privileged morons!"), hence why we need more representation in media. Or all straight men will come out as bi and become the "safe" group to be around. Focus on good writing, and drop this view.

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I can't stand terfs or radfems as much as the next person, but the assumption a woman needs to be one or become one in order to be a toxic woman (both in and out of fanbases) is downright infantilizing. No one says you need to be in PETA in order to hate animals. This toxicity is based on choice.

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"THIS IS ALL A DUMB POWER FANTASY!" My sister dropkicked in Limbo, anything, and I mean ANYTHING, can be a power fantasy. It's not just a male character having a bunch of women faun over him (or the opposite), it can be anything big or small. Limiting it to purely romantic fantasies limits the term.

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"This conventionally attractive actor is playing a conventionally attractive fictional male character who has a couple of scars. They have a lot of fangirls! THAT MEANS NO MAN ALIVE HAS EVER BEEN BODYSHAMED (by a woman)! And any man who has deserved it! Or those incels are lying! All because this male character exists!" This is a major reason as to why fighting bodyshaming and a lot of "body positivity" have largely failed. A lack of empathy for certain people. And outright dismissal fueled by a lack of logic. In addition to how some people enjoy this level of apathy and power over others. This doesn't diminish individual experiences. This just creates more.

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I can't stand the "All fandoms must be women (and gay men) only!" mentality. Look. It's bad enough that male fans (with little regard for teen ones) are written off as incels and creeps for as much as being in a fanbase, but all the memes and jokes are pointless, and only creates more division. Not only is it antithetical to the idea that fandoms are inherently welcoming of all people, regardless of who they are, but it's present in so many fanbase circles and hurts so many innocent people. All for getting back at those so-called gross men; the nuance is NOT present. As we see with fanartists. "CLEARLY! The artist who drew this is an icky male! No real woman draws like this!" "... I'm the woman who drew this." "LIAR/GET OVER YOUR INTERNALIZED SEXISM!" Or with fictional characters. You're not a clever person for reminding men how disgusting they are for finding a fictional woman attractive. Nor are you funny for making "leaves you for a woman!" jokes about female characters towards male fans. Which is ironic, when a fanbase applies this nonsense to a fictional bi woman. How progressive. Seriously, none of this is acceptable and fandoms don't gain anything from treating the average male fan like $hit. For both all the bigger reasons here and the fact bullying is plain wrong. It will never be justifiable.

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Everyone who acts like the anti-anime sentiment that's been present for many years is not fuelled by sexism in any way, shape or form, is making the issue go for much longer than it needs to be. And chances are, many who do this hate the fact they can't be sexist in peace. Of course most haters who go on about how inherently degenerative all anime and animation from Japan is, feels the need to remind you that it's the fault of men who live there and make those series to begin with. Why would any haters care about the fact they might be racist? They're attacking "icky" men and placing themselves as some kind of moral good, protecting you from them. "We're doing this for the right thing!" And any men who doesn't make a series "like that" (grow. up.) are just rare exceptions. As we see with all the unfunny Miyazaki jokes. This is also present in how most perceive women there who work on and/or create anime. The constant assumption that no woman "would make a series like that," is not as progressive as you think it is and is backwards as heck. In addition, praise them for their talent and not the fact they only made something worthwhile because they are women. It erases the years of talent they put into what they made. And it's not progressive to act like there are only a select few women who are actually good at making an anime, while the others suffer from internalized sexism or are not "real" women. Or secretly gross men in disguise. None of this is proper criticism. Treating women or men as a monolith is never going to be progressive. Once again, to act like it's not fuelled by sexism is ignoring an entire part of the larger problem.

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Whenever a franchise is going to get a new installment or addition that is bound to fail based on many clear bad factors already present, it's amazing how all the creators have to do is just say something "woke" to drag in a bunch of defenders who won't even consume the product to begin with. Or many of those defenders do openly admit to either not being apart of the audience or even a fan to begin with, yet still feel the need to be here and write off all legitimate criticism as bullying of the creators. Like, all you're doing is making things worse and defending something destined to fail. I miss the days when a creator didn't have to fund very questionable charities and/or be exposed as a bigot of some kind, in order to not defend what they're going to make. Empty excuses for something badly made is not any better.

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You have little room to talk if you wish more fans would acknowledge bi women in canon as being attracted to women AND men, if all you ever do is go on about how much these characters hate being attracted to men in canon and how disgusting it is. I see it all the time. Fans adding to stereotypes they claim to hate.

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I always hold in a big laugh, whenever someone says the biggest problem with how most fandoms treat m/f pairings is taking a canon pairing and making it into one where a woman "MoThErS" a male character. My brothers and sisters kicked into purgatory, this level of flanderization and obsessive need to take an m/f pairing and make it into what it is not, would not receive so many fans if that were the case. This is NOT the dynamic present. The actual problem is not only a fanbase making canon pairings very OOC, but it's making it into one where a woman is stripped of all her flaws and the man she is with only exists to be a pathetic cheerleader, as opposed to an actual character. In other words, fandoms refuse to believe that a woman in a piece of fiction can be a good character AND be with a man that compliments her flaws and strengths as much as she does with him. This is not any better than saying a fictional woman is too good or too much of a "strong female character" to be in love. This is just that under a different coat of paint. It's also very alienating in certain circles, when all a fanbase wants to do is go on about her fanon version, writes off all her canon flaws as sexism and views acknowledging how she treats her partner instead of the just how he treats her, also as sexism. The alienation also applies to how fans who actually like the canon pairing and not the fanon version that is almost unrecognizable in comparison. In addition, this level of hyper-fixating on how he treats her instead of looking at how they treat each other makes it feel like less of a relationship and more of a dull power fantasy disguised as one. I see what other fans mean when they say, "sometimes, fandom is worse."

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"I hate stereotypes." Much of those same fans: "This fictional woman is gnc/tomboy-ish. That means no one is allowed to ship her with fictional men." "This fictional woman is bi. That means no is allowed to ship her with fictional men." "This fictional woman is muscular. That means no one is allowed to ship her with fictional men." "This fictional man is effeminate. That means no one is allowed to ship him with fictional women." "This fictional woman has a mean side. That means no is allowed to ship her with fictional men." I love how hypocritical many fans are, and then are in denial they're the ones creating so much division.

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Unpopular opinion: I'm often disappointed in the lack of male oc X canon female character pairings and related fancontent in fandoms these days. Especially in regard to all this talk of bringing back canon x OC pairings. I know this won't seem like much to most who read this, but it's a bit sad when a woman in a piece of fiction has attraction to men, yet a fanbase has little or no real interest in exploring this part of her character. Mainly when you look at many of the reasons given. Such as. . . Many fandoms refuse to believe a woman can be a "strong female character," and attracted to men at the same time, looking down on that part of her character, refusing to view any pairings with male (original) characters as interesting, or outright ignoring said attraction. And then there's when we get around to canon bi female characters. Oh, when we get around to there. Yes, letting a fandom have fun with bi female characters in shipping means leaving any who ships them with male (original) characters be. They're bi. It's not that shocking. I also see this similarly with female antagonists. Both in comparison to male antagonist x female ocs or not. Look. It's great hearing how many fans and fandoms want to see more canon x OC pairings, both for bringing them back, and for helping fight back against this being "cringe" when fun to should be the focus in a fandom. And I'm in full support of that. Along with encouraging others to do that themselves. I just wish this was brought up more.

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unpopular opinion: I really cannot stand the recurring fandom takes on a fictional bi women's attraction towards men (and women). It's so annoying, when a fandom pats itself on the back for being so accepting of bi female characters in a very narrow way. Bi female characters must either hate being attracted to male characters, make fun of it every two minutes, or experience it with such a low opinion. Bi women in fiction are rarely allowed to just like the fact they're attracted to men in fanon; a fanbase can't be normal or accepting of that fact. And fans who are accepting of said character's attraction to men and women equally, are bullied or ignored for not following this mindset. In addition, it sucks when this is applied to ship dynamics and shipping in general. I'm sorry, but I don't see the appeal of every pairing involving bi female characters with male characters only being with pathetic male characters. Whether it's actual ones or flanderized canon male characters. This trope is commonly in comparison with female characters who are often allowed to be actual characters when paired with bi female characters. Which sucks when fans who don't portray that attraction to women in a "pure" way are looked at differently. Or bullied. All this stereotyping is not worth it.

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It's always been so odd to me, whenever a fan acts like there aren't any male characters demonized in shipping, when there are plenty of examples and trends to go off of. It would not surprise me if some fans who act like this are aware of said hatred; they want it to stay. For example, some male characters are often called incels or "nice guys" just for being awkward or shy around a woman they're crushing on, when that is not what either of those terms mean or refer to. Or all interactions they have with a female character are seen as trying to get with her and/or force a relationship with her. Because apparently they're not friends in canon and there's no ulterior motive present. (Or them along with many other male characters are written off as incels just on the basis of being there) And this view is commonly heightened if the female character in question that they crush on is either too much of a "strong female character," to be with a man or she's popularly shipped with another fictional woman. That latter especially. Demonizing other characters in shipping will never be a good thing. It doesn't help when no one seems to want to fight back against this view. By not fighting against it, this treatment tends to leak outside of shipping. The same contempt for male characters here is present outside. Hating a character for traits they don't hold is not any better. Ship and let ship should be the main focus. Not this.

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If you want being gnc to be normalized so badly, that means accepting and acknowledging "Le Evil Straights" in this discussion. To elaborate, there will not only be plenty of people who will be gnc and straight, but also plenty of people who are into said gnc people who are straight themselves. Not every woman into gnc men will come out as bi. Not every man into gnc women will come out as bi. The same applies to fictional characters. For both fans of said gnc characters and for fictional relationships those characters enter. And with shipping. It shouldn't surprise you to see gender nonconforming characters being shipped with the opposite gender. Don't even get me started on phrases like "this man has a lesbian's taste in women," being tossed around. Stop stereotyping. Some may realize they are bi, but expecting it to happen for each one is weird. And very gross and invasive. Also, this is not doing any favors for anyone questioning their sexuality. Stereotypes are not a step in the right direction. And it's interesting of me to say that when some who believe in this stereotype don't stand by it afterward. In other words, it's interesting how many people will say you need to be bi in order to be into gnc men & women, only to turn around and act like bisexuals don't exist. "You need to be bi in order to be into (insert gnc character here)!" (LATER) "This proves you were straight all along!" Once again, stereotypes are not a step in the right direction.

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I hate how the phrase "gay people have great taste in m/f ships" ignores biphobic gay fans in fandoms and shipping. It's not good when those same fans with "great taste" in m/f ships are also biphobic. Nor is it any better to listen to their alone opinions when it comes to m/f ships. Or worse. Which ones to ship and/or are good ships. It's all opinions.

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"I've met/know people who don't act like the ones you mentioned therefore it NEVER happens and what you said NEVER happened." Your (fandom) experiences do not mean someone else's never happened. Stop being this dismissive.

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Yeah, as a bisexual I CAN'T relate to only finding (fictional) women attractive because they're all goddesses that walk this Earth while men are weird bugs (affectionate). Sounds like yet another box to be forced into. And the assumption everyone who doesn't think like this not-so secretly hates women. Get a hobby. Which is funny of me to say, whenever someone says they're only into "weird-looking men" and the men or male characters in question are all conventionally attractive men that either smile a lot or just give off "weird" vibes. Especially attractive actors for some reason. Average man, who? I see a lot of denial.

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The lack of kind female characters in today's media is disappointing. Made more disappointing in how it's great that more fans understand that kind characters and kindness aren't boring; yet that is rarely extended over to fictional women. This also extends to when fans believe making a preexisting female character only mean makes them a good character. Being kind and/or driven by kindness is not a weakness for female characters who embody said traits.

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I'm happy to hear more and more fandoms and audiences these days are starting to get that a kind character is not inherently boring, and there are plenty of worthwhile kind characters in fiction. I'm not against edgy characters or characters in general with a "dark side" to them, but it's great to hear that not only are more growing tired or bored of the badly written ones, but ask themselves this: should a character having kindness as a big part of who they are be a barrier to being a fan of them? And more answer no. It should not. It never will.

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Many fandoms either deify female characters (strip them of all flaws) or infantilize them for very empty reasons (child-coding is one of the worse things to happen to fandom) or both, than act so surprised those same female characters are largely left behind by the same fans they force these views on. Made worse when much of those female characters are loved, but they believe everyone else must love them for aforementioned reasons, or else. The fans who treat these female characters as whole characters and as fictional people with flaws? Sexists. The fans that understand a woman in a piece of fiction does not need to fight to be a good character and loves her all the same? Misogynists. The fans who don't infantilize or deify them? How dare they hate women. The women who don't join in on all of this? Suffering from internalized misogyny. It's amazing how it's viewed as respecting (fictional) women to infantilize them or put them on a pedestal.

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Not every character in fiction who is against killing is a morally gray character. That's too broad and often not applicable to many of the examples people give of a "morally gray character" who isn't one.

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How interesting that the "ALL MEDIA IS POLITICAL!" Fans tend not to be in support of any anti-communist messages or themes in said media. Or put any to begin with. Either identical, half-baked political messages or subtext inserted by the fans that narrows down to their own interpretation. I wonder if there's any coincidence.

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Stop calling men “porn addicts” or “gooners” for liking attractive fictional women. Especially since some of you have a whole bunch of porn of your favorite male characters and some of you sexualize them way worse than a man sexualizing a female character. Porn addiction is a serious addiction like every addiction. Stop reducing it into an insult as a “gotcha” towards men because you hate men because of your one terrible experience with them. Stop letting your confirmation bias determine your opinions towards all men in fandoms. And gooner is not the insult you think it is. Might as well tell a man to edge himself to his favorite female character. He won’t see it as an insult. He’ll see it as a command. Jokes aside though, sexism in fandom generally is a huge issue. It’s not just misogyny that is an issue in fandom. It’s also misandry. You guys can’t be crying about sexism in fandom meanwhile you treat men like they’re subhuman and like they’re objects.

[sorio99]

Thinking about “I Want To Unify The Kingdom But The Second Male Lead Is Too Indecent” again. Thoughts on how it’d play out:

The first episode starts with Bridget and Dick at the office, establishing her as competent but ignored and him as a half-joking, self-loathing sex pest. Around the halfway point, they both get hit by a truck while crossing the road and wake up in the fantasy kingdom (does it have a canon name? I’m gonna call Decentia) as Princess Bridgeton and Lord Dickington. Lord Daleton shows up and quickly becomes the only person either of them tell about their original situation.

Bridget and Dick don’t actually realize they’ve both been Isekai’d together until about halfway through season 1, at which point they finally put two and two together. Bridget is mildly horrified that the dignified Lord she’d been relying on for stability was Dickhead Dick this whole time, while Dick is just happy to have SOMEONE who relates to not being either a medieval fop or Daleton.

The big reveal of the season one finale is that most if not all of the kingdom’s characters seen across the season, from the major supporting cast to the extremely minor background staff, have at some point between the pilot and now ALSO been swapped with their Massachusetts counterparts, mostly within the span of the first few episodes. The entire second season is just trying to piece together what the fuck to do about this.

Bridget is throughout Seasons 1 and 2 torn between absolutely despising Daleton and genuine attraction (because annoying though he may be, he seems to mean well and IS genuinely hot), while also coming to see Dick in a new light and genuinely appreciating him as a person for the first time ever. For his part, Dick has been into Bridget since before the truck accident, and while he is generally annoyed by Daleton’s antics and indecency, he shows JUST enough tolerance towards him that a good portion of the fandom ships the pair. Eventually a small but substantial part of the fandom ships the three together in the classic ProZD Love Triangle solution.

(Season 5 ends up technically making that canon, so polyshippers stay winning)

Daleton is consistently a slutty bisexual disaster throughout the show, right up to the very end, but he is shown to have SOME genuine leadership skills and does actually want to help everyone, hence why Bridget keeps him around. He’s the kind of character who spends most of each episode being useless and fan service focused, but then always has one useful insight that manages to help turn the whole episode’s conflict on its head.

Not everyone who got isekai’d into Decentia has an identical appearance to their Massachusetts form or a [Name]ton name, but there are a few as foreshadowing for the Season 1 plot twist.

Season 3 focuses on the real Princess Bridgeton and Lord Dickington, who wake up in the hospital and immediately piece together that they’re each from Decentia. They’re the first characters from the Kingdom to make the transition, and they realize what’s going on with everyone switching over significantly faster than Bridget and Dick.

The first sign that something seriously fucky is going on in Season 3 is when “Dale Kingston” shows up and applies for a job at the end episode 2. Bridgeton and Dickington immediately recognize him as lord Daleton, but he denies this, and we the audience know that Daleton was basically the only major character to NOT know anything about Massachusetts in Season 2, which raises the question of if he’s just this universe’s counterpart or if something more is going on.

As more and more Decentians end up at Big Dick’s in Massachusetts, they begin taking over the company and, slowly but surely, the small town of Decent, Massachusetts (halfway between Boston and Springfield, just take I-90 and turn off at the giant pants sign, you can’t miss it).

In Massachusetts, Dale is mostly similar in behavior to Daleton, but slightly less indecently dressed and completely able to keep his pants up. This is because in Massachusetts, you can just buy pants at a store and don’t need a personal tailor who was originally really gay and inappropriate and then by episode 4 was replaced by an IT worker with a CompSci degree.

Season 3 ends with a portal being formed between Big Dick’s corporate office (where Dickington has just defeated the CEO Richard Parker in hand to hand combat) and the castle of Decentia (where Bridget and Dick have been panicking because Daleton has been missing all day). Then Dale shows up, and all chaos breaks loose.

Season 4 goes about as described in the Drawfee episode: they realize that their realities are collapsing and merging together, it becomes clear that Dale/Daleton has secretly (and unintentionally) been the lynchpin of this collapse the whole time, and eventually the Kingdom (which has semi-officially annexed Decent, Massachusetts) is unified with the goal of killing him. However, Bridget and Dick are both quietly opposed to the plan (Dick because he recognizes Dale could still be a “decent” human being, and Bridget because at this point she’s low key in love with him).

It becomes clear across Season 4 that Daleton really didn’t have any idea originally that he was somehow drawing the two universes together, he went to Massachusetts through a portal to try and figure out what was going on with the Isekais, and his indecency has more or less been out of his control this whole time. The fanbase is somewhat divided on the question of whether or not killing him is the right thing to do.

Season 4 ends with Daleton seemingly killed, the universes mostly going back to how they were before the series started (Princess Bridgeton and Lord Dickington are back in control of the Kingdom, the employees at Big Dick’s are all back in Massachusetts), but Bridget mysteriously missing. The last shot of the season is Bridget’s bedroom back home, with the camera panning around to reveal one more portal.

Season 5 is still pretty much just porn, but like a quarter of every episode is dedicated to either developing the plot, world building for the sex dimension, or genuinely well written character development. So you can’t even skip to the important or good episodes, you have to watch all of them (you can usually skip the sex scenes, if you want, though. They are still 3/4ths of each episode).

About two thirds of the pre-existing fanbase are actually really into the fifth and final season: partially because it is still beautifully animated, incredibly well acted, and (during the important quarter) impeccably written…but also partially because the show was always hornier than your average isekai, so its fanbase did kinda follow suit. A third of them still absolutely hate it and the internet kinda explodes into arguments about it, though.

The creators fully realize there is no going back after Season Five, so that’s the only season of the show to not end on a cliffhanger. Instead, the plot is resolved, the multiverse is saved, and Bridget, Dick, and Daleton retire to a pocket dimension of the sex dimension where they can live out the rest of their days in peace. It’s a surprisingly wholesome and happy ending, ignoring how incredibly nasty some of the smut in the rest of the season was.

“Season Five” becomes internet shorthand for a show completely self-sabotaging and self-destructing for years afterwards, to the point most new anime for the next half a decade is capped off at four seasons.

The fifth season does however reveal that Dick/Dickington is bigger than Daleton, so that’s cool.

[a-kinda-boring-writer]

hi i’m new here and i would like to know what you like about brightfire! never seen that ship before and i love hearing about peoples beloved niche ships

Hi, hello! 👋 Welcome to the kitty corner of The Hellsite(tm)

I'm quite sorry for taking two whole day to organize my thoughts 😔. I'm really bad at discussing ships I like. Or ships in general tbh.

Anyways, not surprised at all lol. Brightheart fanships are kinda rare as is, I feel (the fandom loves BrightCloud way too much lol. The most experimental they ever get is adding Swiftpaw or Daisy into the mix). BrightFire must be the nichest thing ever. More of a crackship tbh. There are like three people in the universe who ship BrightFire, we all used to be in the same discord server, and each of us had a different, mutually incompatible interpretation of their dynamic lmao.

Last time someone asked me about one of my fav ships, I couldn't really give them a good answer, and I felt really shit about it. So I'll do my best and I hope it's at least amusing to hear my thought process?

This is probably going to be long and I'm going to explain myself like ass, because I always end up rambling unnecessarily 😔.

Alright:

To be honest, for me, it originally came about as a joke, while writing my PoT-AU rewrite. The main premise of that is that Holly, Jay, and Lion are FeatherCrow kits born in RiverClan, but a fun... gimmick, I guess you'd call it, of that AU is that I strive to research and implement community-wide headcanons and jokes new and old (or just wc fandom practices in general) taken seriously to craft the world-building, plot and characterization of some cats. For example, Leafpool in the AU started as a warrior but was forced to become a med cat by Sandstorm (old fandom rumor based on jack and shit afaik) and she's very pro-life (very strange fandom discourse turned into shitposts gallore from 2019... also, yeah, abortions are a thing that exist in that AU).

Here in Tumblr, Firestar x Everyone is rather popular, so that's part of his character in the AU. That's to say, he's a disaster, with 2 mates, 12 lovers, like 100 flings and 24 litters of kits fathered and counting! (don't worry, the large majority of them died young, so despite his best efforts, he didn't nuked the clans' genetic diversity.... yet).

Anyways, the joke (and pre-phrasing this by saying that I think infidelity in fiction is funny to begin with, and that I don't like Cloudtail. At all). I thought that it'd be hilarious if Firestar, considering his new behaviors, got so annoyed at his nephew one day that he just goes and cucks him. That's it. Incredibly stupid, I know.

Then I started thinking about the ship a bit more, outside of the context of that AU. And I kinda ended up really liking the idea of BrightFire? Firestar is just really easy to ship lol. And as I said, I do not like Cloudtail. So pairing Brightheart up with someone else was an intriguing proposition.

I haven't had the time to sit and write down about it properly, so the following is very tenuous at best. I'm aware this is more of a crackship, so I'm under no illusion that it makes perfect sense within canon or anything like that. Also, this is only ONE scenario I have for BrightFire, the one I've put the most thought, and it takes place on the second part of TNP.

Pre-phrasing this by saying that I don't write my romances as entirely healthy, so if anything sounds lowkey 🤨 then yeah, it's probably meant to be.

The way I see it, Brightheart derives way too much of her self-worth from other cats' feelings and opinions about her. In canon, it's mainly Cloudtail's. One of the guides states something along the lines of "she still remembers what she looked like before the dog attack, and it breaks her heart every time she sees her reflection, she just puts up a brave front and avoids going near water". Bright herself adds that "He gave me another destiny, and I knew that no matter what I looked like, I would be all right. As long as Cloudtail loved me, I was no longer Lostface, but Brightheart". Which I'm sure most people would interpret that as something cute, that's what it was meant as probably, but I'm not most people lol. (bad faith interpretations strike again 🫠)

There are other examples of that stuff within the main books themselves, but those 👆 illustrate the idea already. I don't feel like hunting for screenshots right now.

So, with that in mind, when Cloudtail started neglecting her, favoring spending time with Daisy instead of her... not to mention that Bright had recently lost her home and also had to leave her mother behind to an unknown fate, so she might have been in a vulnerable state as is... I'd imagine she took it really hard.

And to clarify, I'm NOT saying that Cloud was being neglectful on purpose or that he had feelings for Daisy and wanted to replace his wife or anything like that (I think he was just being well-meaning but clueless... and a little dumb perhaps), just that to Bright, it certainly seemed that way.

So in an alternative universe in which Leafpool doesn't step in and chew out Cloudtail to get it together, it's Firestar who intervenes in this situation. But he doesn't go to Cloud, his nephew never listens to him anyways. He goes to Brightheart instead. He doesn't understand what's going on at first, he only knows that she's been moping around in the med cat den a little too much, and he really needs all warriors locked in. They just moved to the lake and there's a lot of work to be done.

He learns what's going on and feels sympathy towards her. He too knows what's like to feel alone even when surrounded by clanmates, and to be neglected by those who you hold dear, those who you thought you had a special connection with (he's still not over his situationship with Graystripe and getting dumped for Silverstream lmaooo)

Firestar cuts her some slack and lets her skip her duties until she feels better. He also starts periodically visiting her, to spend time with her and cheer her up, just like he did with Cinderpelt. He feels responsible in a way, because Cloud is his kin and he (unintentionally) caused this mess.

Brightheart is apathetic at first. But she ends up latching onto him, because she has no one else (Cinderpelt is too busy to spend time with her, dealing with Leafpool's shenanigans and, well, her own upcoming doom. And her brothers... sorry, who?) Over time, Brightheart sort of inadvertently starts getting from Firestar's company and kinds gestures the same validation she used to derive from Cloudtail's.

Eventually, Bright fells well enough to return to her duties, and though things are better, she tries to avoid going on patrols with Cloud. She really doesn't want to know how awesome Daisy is doing in her training or how great her kits are 🙄. And that's all Cloud seems to think about these days. She feels like he compliments her far less nowadays, and even when he does, it sounds kinda hollow.

Instead, she often ends up going on patrols that, coincidentally, Firestar is in (Fire also thinks that Cloud is annoying, so he doesn't put him in his patrols lmao). And they just keep hanging out, as clanmates. Soon they do as friends. And it's his jokes that make her laugh now, and his compliments that causes her to trip over her words.

And when she realizes what's happening, it startles her, causes her to feel really guilty... but it causes her to reevaluate some things. She needs to be loved to be Brightheart, to not be Lostface, to not be dead-weight. And she simply doesn't anymore with Cloudtail. She thought their bond unbreakable, but as soon as someone prettier showed up, he seemed more than ready to drop her. And that sucks because she has a family with him, and so many plans, and so much of her life and future plans were build around him. She doesn't want to throw all that away.

But she feels loved around Firestar. And she needs to feel loved. She's been doing so much better since they've began hanging out. He makes her feel strong, like Cloud used to do. And she's rebuilt her life once. She could do it again...

Firestar has no fucking clue that he's essentially driving a wedge between Cloud and Bright.

(We're going with the fanon-ish funny characterization of Firestar, in which he's handsome, charismatic and very charming, but incredibly clueless. You know, needing Cinderpelt to spell it out for him when Sandstorm wanted to put a ring on it, and all that)

He just sees that Brightheart responds well to what he does, so he keeps doing it. He invites her to share some fresh-kill with him and Sandstorm, and while they eat, he slips in that her fur looks lovely today. Then he pats himself on the back when Bright smiles, and offers to go on another patrol with him. Man, he's just so great at supporting his clanmates! 😌

(In a "Sandstorm is ok with it" scenario, I like to think that Firestar wouldn't understand what's going on until his wife quite literally asks him 'So are you going to invite that woman you've been courting to our nest already, or do you expect me to do it?', with him replying something like "the woman I've been WHAT?")

From that set up, you can take it anywhere, really. Bright keeps quiet and continues with her marriage, for the sake of her daughter. She tries to pursue an affair with Fire and is rejected. She tries to pursue an affair with Fire and he agrees for [insert reason here]. Bright just divorces Cloud publicly and goes for Fire, either getting rejected or not. Or from this event, Bright learns to love herself, without needing others for validation, and it doesn't matter with who she ends up with anymore... or she should yolo it and just marry Daisy, fuck it.

Happy endings are kinda few and far between in my stories lol, but I have a soft spot for BrightFire. I wanna see them happy-ish in the end (Sandstorm too!). Need time to actually think about it, though.

Anyways, yeah. Hope you got something interesting out of this?

<3

[l3t-g0-l1l-s0ld134]

~❀W-E-L-C-O-M-E❀~

(Read bio as well)

~*Hello! I'm Nicky (specifically spelt N-I-C-K-Y) or you can call me Ny Ny. I'm a local pansexual, goes by She/Her, and I'm a M-I-N-O-R! 15 now) My birthday is March 18th (along with my Ds oc Nikki Ohnosaki we naturally born Pisces). My favorite food is Fried rice, and my favorite color is orange*~

(Moving on lol)

❀Learn More About Me❀

~*I'm a big anime dweeb/game fandom dweeb(DUH! Have you seen my whole blog)*~

Favorite/Recent Animes:One Piece, Demon Slayer, Kimestu Academy, Case Closed, Dandadan, Sailor Moon, JJK, Glitter Force, Spy X Family, Apothecary Diaries, Toilet Bound-Hanako-Kun, and all Gibli Studio films

Games:TMNT, Sonic, Dead Plate, Going Live, Roblox, Minecraft, Stardew Valley, Obey Me, Gacha Life, Crush Crush, Demon Slayer game (forgot what it's called), One Piece games, and any Romance Games

Hobbies:Drawing, listening to music, posting art and videos, simping over anime men (OOP- ignore that tee-hee), reading, playing games, spending time with family, eating, writing, and going outside

❀Things I Love and Hate❀

Things I love:

Anime

Food

Plushies

Giraffes, Cats, and Turtles

Friends

Family

Anime men-

Sleep

Games

Being alive-

Romance/Thriller/Comedy

Halloween/My Birthday

Music

Canon x Canon

Ocs

Watching Movies/Shows

Watching Butterflies Or Birds

Doing Art In General

Dancing

Singing

Being Silly

Writing stories (or jurnoaling)

Sleepovers

Admiring The World's Scenery

Showing Off

Yapping About Anything

Making fake edits(acting like I'm the main character bruh😭)

Collecting Rocks

Collecting Seashells/Sea Items

Freetime

Things I Hate:

Bright Lights/Colors (neon)

Traveling

Getting Yelled At

DNI/Proshipping

Sweet Potatoes, Red Bean Paste, And Some Seafood

Being ignored

People Being Hated Or Shamed On

Ads

Bugs, Snakes, And Spiders

Drama

AI

Being Cold

Judged/Mocked

Ask games

Being Flashed (Like WTF)

Pedos, CP, Animal/Child Abusers

School

Presentations

Brainrotted Kids (Also Babies)

Being annoyed/interrupted

Country/Rock Music

Melanie Martinez

Britney Manson

Porn bots

Traitors/Bastabbers

Being Pressured

Pumpkins, Pears, Kiwis, Bananas, Coconut, and berries (except strawberries)

Blood

Ed Sheeran

Sean Diddy (Jay-Z, R-Kelly, Etc)

Sharp Objects

Winter

Math And Spanish

Spammers/Exploiters

Banana And Pumpkin Bread

Dying-

Venting/Trauma Dumping

Screeching And Bone Breaking Sounds

(Learn about me section complete)

❀Anime Favorites Of All Time❀

(Copied from old post, also this is a new category of this post)

~MY TOP 5 FAVORITE DEMON SLAYER CHARACTERS~

Sabito/Makomo/Senjuro/Kotetsu🦊🌸🔥👺

Tamayo/Yushiro/Rengoku/Inosuke💉🔪🔥🐗

Genya/Mitsuri/Muichiro/Giyuu🔫🍡💨💧

Aoi/Kanae/Gyomei/Akaza/Kaigaku🦋🪨❄⚡

(Ships I Enjoy-Canon x Canon-Canon x Oc)

Sanemi x Kanae

Obanai x Mitsuri

Tanjiro x Kanao

Sabito x Nikki

Zenitsu x Nezuko

Inosuke- x Aoi

Giyuu x Shinobu

Taro x Natsuki

Inosaki x Miki (👈Not my oc!!)

Yushiro x Tamayo

Doma x Enmu

Tengen x His Wives(Hinatsuru, Suma, and Makio)

Demon Slayer Fan Since:2019

~MY TOP 5 FAVORITE ONE PIECE CHARACTERS~

Corazon/Paulie/Shirahoshi/Koby🤡👨‍🔧🧜‍♀️🦸‍♂️

Usopp/Ace/Sabo/Luffy/Yamato🤥🔥🎩😈

Buggy/Zoro/Sanji/Nami/Law🤡⚔️🍳🤑💟

Ms.Kaya/Perona/Boa/Uta/Chopper👸👻💗👩‍🎤🦌

Shanks/Yassop/Crocodile/Mihawk🍺🔫🐊🗡

(Ships I Enjoy-Canon x Canon-Canon x Oc)

Sanji x Nami

Franky x Robin

Usopp x Kaya

Sabo x Koala

Shanks x Buggy

Koza x Vivi

~MY TOP 3 FAVORITE CASE CLOSED CHARACTERS~

One Piece Fan Since:2023

https://www.tumblr.com/l3t-g0-l1l-s0ld134/786908294138789888/this-is-isuka?source=share

(Please copy this link to know about my selfships! No I am not a weirdo, nor do I do creepy shit. The point of my selfships is to be silly and fun)

Conan (Jimmy Kudo) 🎭

Ai/Rachael📸🌧

Amy/Richard🌺🥋

(Ships I Enjoy-Canon x Canon-Canon x Oc)

Jimmy x Rachael

Conan x Ai

Case Closed Fan Since:2024

~MY TOP 5 FAVORITE DANDADAN CHARACTERS~

Jiji/Evil Eye🤪👁

Okarun(Ken Takakura)/Momo👽👻

Seiko/Vamola👩‍🦳👽

Acrobatic Silky/Zuma👿☔

Aira💃

(Ships I Enjoy-Canon x Canon-Canon x Oc)

Jiji x Aira

Okarun x Momo

Kenta x Vamola

Dandadan Fan Since:2024

(I'm most likely gonna add once I get into maybe more animes that are in my top 5? But right now I only have a top 3)

~MY TOP 5 FAVORITE SOUTH PARK CHARACTERS~

(Ik this isn't anime but it has some mentions of animes during the series)

Kyle/Kenny

Stan/Wendy/Craig

Tweek/Butters/Bebe

Eric

(Ships I Enjoy-Canon x Canon-Canon x Oc)

Craig x Tweek

Stan x Wendy

Kenny x Kelly

Kyle x Rebecca

Tolkien x Nicole

Kyle x Kali

Carskadon x Kali

South Park Fan Since:2025

~About My Main Oc's(The Main 4)~

Nicki Ohnosaki (DS): Is the Shadow Hashira(Ranked as 4th strongest)who took former Flower Hashira, Natsuki Ohnosaki's rank in the core (Etc:Joined the Core at: 16 Former Age:21). She was raised in a house of 2 younger siblings and 1 older sibling, each one with their fair share of abuse by their father, Natsuki being the oldest was the only sibling who could stand up for all her siblings (Natsuki was 9, Nikki was 7, Inosaki was 4, and Kai was 2). On the night of August 18th their family was slaughtered with the only survivers being, their father, name is Timoko Ohnosaki (who got turned into a demon by the lower moon who slaughtered their family), Natsuki Ohnosaki(The oldest sibling of 3, after the slaughter became a slayer at 15 and at 18 because a Hashira to revenge the death of Kai Ohnosaki and her mother Momisuke Ohnosaki), Nikki Ohnosaki (The 2nd oldest of 3 after the slaughter she was taken under Natsuki care becoming a slayer and Natsukis Tsugoku at the age of 16, After Natsuki's death she takes her place ranking one rank higher {at 4th} Getting the title 'Hashira' for her speed, senses, and fighting tactics), and last Inosaki Ohnosaki (The 2nd youngest of 3, after the slaughter he was taken care of by Taro{Natsuki's Bf, Light Hashira}and Nikki after training sessions with Natsuki, after Natsukis/Taros murder, Inosaki makes the decision of becoming a medic to help slayers and the injured in general while Nikki was out on missions doing her role as a hashira. Present he works in the Butterfly Mansion with Ms. Aoi, Shinobu, and the Caterpillar sisters)

(Natsuki's Death & Nikki's Revenge With a Fatal Price.

-Natsuki's mission was against a lower moon, lower moon 2 {her own abusive father} the master had sent her with light hashira, Taro Rimko both were sent on the night of March 23rd and never were seen after that day. The mission was normal until they had found the twisted game of the demon, bodies hung by trees some didn't even have most of their limbs, Both Hashiras were left in pure disgust Taro learned to pray from his father and Gyomei and decided to do so as Natsuki yelled out for the demon to reveal themselves. The demon listened to the command as Natsuki's eyes widened, Taros blind eyes focused on the demon from hearing... It was Timoko Ohnosaki but a uglier and more blood thirsty father, it didn't take long for the rage and flame to strike, the battle lasted until the brink of dawn, Timoko had to finished the two quick.. {TRIGGER WARNING⚠⚠}

Taro was the first to be demolished, his eyes were targeted first one being poked out and held in the hand of lower moon 2 and lastly when Taro was distracted with his bleeding eye, he was K. Oed with his head being ripped ripped off right in front of Natsuki making her boil with rage since he'd token another loved one, her blood boiled as she decided to attack out of anger, that didn't end well.. {TRIGGER WARNING⚠}

The lower moon gripped her head ripping it back before stabbing his fingers into her throat, slashing it aggressively. The sun finally rose, Timoko had fled, leaving Natsuki's body next to her lovers as they both rotted in their own piles of blood.

-Story 2: it was the final battle, Nikki was faced with the death of Tokito Muichiro and Kocho Shinobu, her eyes filled with sarrow as she placed flower clips onto their covered corpeses after she had shredded her demon father mouthing the words 'You'll never be granted with a second chance, not by the devil himself' the battle between her and her father was harsh, loosing vision in her left eye from a bloody slash along with multiple bruises and cuts, but it was finally over she had better demons to take care off, to revenge the lives that had been lost to such merciless creatures. The war was finally over.. Down on her knees with a missing hand, and blind in her left, she'd had survived with a fatal price of her limbs.. She had survived to see the light of day... She had survived to see her brother.

Peace finally came over the remaining survivors of the corps, and peace to all the lives who fight and died in battle. The wind blew as silence was between the two Ohnosaki siblings as they sat in front of Natsuki's, Kai's, and Momisuke's graves as they gave gifts such as food, flowers and last but not least their tears. 'Stay hello to the others for me'

-The end, thank you for reading Nikki's lore

Miyake Suzui (OP):Worlds most known/Wanted engineer, getting the titles for bombing Marines (basically committing genocide 😭) and helping pirates then backstabbing them by stealing their valuables, getting her first bounty at 10 at the high price of 150,000. Years go by ever since her sister had left her, and her other sister had died she found herself in a floating restaurant called 'Baratie' dressing herself up as a guy to avoid Sanji's simping but it all changed when a group of pirates rulled by Dawn Kreig had started a ruckes with another group of pirates a very small but strong group called the 'Strawhats' she finally revealed her identity fight by the side of Luffy until Kreig was defeated, after this Luffy had offered to be on sea but like Sanji she declined acting as cold as she did when she served them beside Sanji. After s bit of convincing she joined their crew as the loyal engineer besides the simping cook Sanji. Her next bounty raise wasn't until after the 2 year span, raising from 150,000 to 240,000,000. (this was made lazily bc I made this at fucking 12am)

(Family Lore & Years spent engineering)

-Gardening was fun as a family time, each caring for a certain part of the garden, Mother and Father focused on the grass, trees, and bushes, Moko and Michii worked on picking and growing fruits, and lastly Miyake would plant flowers. It was all friendly until a ambush by Marines sent by one of the admirals they wrecked the garden the wrecked parts of the house, their parents forced them three to hide and Moko shoved her and her sisters into a bunker, Michii was angered and Miyake? She cried and cried for her parents (I'd like to add their parents we're wanted pirates!her father with a bounty of 23,000,000 and their mother with the bounty of 15,000,000)but Michii covered her mouth as shots were shot, bodies had fallen. After the ambush the three had gotten out of the bunker, seeing blood stains but no bodies. Days pass Moko and Michii had moved on trying to fix their garden and the destroyed parts of the house. 2-3 months pass and the Suzuis met the same fate of a ambush after the Marines found out about the children, Moko had to step up risking her life.. (The trauma man😭) the other two cried as they hid themselves in the bunker without someone older to protect them anymore, soon enough the same sound of a gun firing arose.. {TRIGGER WARNING⚠⚠}

Moko was shot in the heart ending her young life quickly, the Marines yelled for the other children to come out or they'd destroy the house but they didn't leave both were scared both were horrified, the marine army marched in wrecking and throwing objects as dusk neared they finally left. Immediately at dawn the two sisters made graves for the family they lost placing flowers and their own personal items, Michii placing fruits on her parents graves {oranges and strawberries since it was their favorites) and a hairbrush on Moko grave on the other hand Miyake placed her plush of a cat on her mother's grave, a carton of strawberry milk on her fathers grave, and her kimono on Mokos grave.

-Story 2: years pass since the death of their family, Miyake started to study astrology {Moko loved astrology and the sea} as Michii barely came home to see her own sister. One day Michii called Miyake to tell her news, she was leaving on a 'trip for food' but that made Miyake even more devastated than she already was and before her sister left she mutter out the words 'PROMISE YOU'LL COME BACK FOR ME!!'. After the day her sister left she started to learn how to be an engineer, building new things she never thought she could succeed everytime she knew he family would be proud but at the same time she missed Michii. 2 years pass Michii never came back {She betrayed her own family by joining the Marines, the ones who killed her family, but once the two meet when Miyake is 23 she makes up a reason that she only did it to steal and destroy all their plans} after her 10th birthday Miyake was more mature finally fed up with being alone people were shocked she was still alive she was only a love because of her circus loving friend Paco who'd bring her food and drinks while she worked, one person was so shocked they called marine forces to arrest her. The Marines had got there but no trace of her was seen until... All the ships had blown up, the screams of the Marines who stayed behind filled the people's ears, as she left one of the ships with supplies and weaponry that's how she got her first bounty of 150,000.

-The end, thank you for reading Miyakes lore (next one will be shorter)

Kuro Tsuko(DDD): She is a 16 year old girl who transferred to the same school as the alien geeks, not believing that aliens and ghosts exist until she encountered Acrobatic Silky (episode 5 or 6). She didn't know she was possessed by a ghost herself, the ghost of her samurai father (her father was a samurai who slayed Yokais until the day he died from a demon using his own blade to stab him) Out of the group she has the best strategies, best battle plans, and attack tactics. She is the only one who has no siblings and a living mother so she has no lore. Her personality is sassy, funny, and loyal.

Bingo(OM! OM NB!): The knight who guards the Lord's castle, who loves rocks and Simeon- ignore that. Like the brother she too is a fallen angel due to her lovers lie {will explain in 'Cupid's Lore'} Her personality is like a literal bitch, cussing everyone out, even going as far to throw rocks she collected or bite demons for their disrespect towards Diavolo {She hears all} and really caring and loyal.

(Cupid's Lore & The day the hearts would shatter)

-Bingo was the most popular cupid, always on track with building relationships and making them last with her never missing arrows, her herself was beloved by all for her beauty and soft heart {Personality is completely different from her personality in hell}. One day she was confronted by a Royal Knight of the celestial realm, he confessed his love and she accepted it. Everything was sweet from the start but truly this man was hell itself, as years passed he turned more controlling and grew distant but it wasn't enough to break her heart yet...Her lover came back from his duties seemingly annoyed and then yelling at her accusing her of cheating!? She denied it {obviously she didn't, like she's cupid just like she sore loyalty to her job she sore loyalty to her relationship} but that wasn't enough to make him believe, she truly was on the brink of being a weeping angel.

-Story 2: After the rumors had spread of her cheating it finally reached the god. When she was brought to his mercy to explain her sin she denied and finally broke before she was banished she let out her anger on the god and her lying lover.. She was finally banished and fell from the light clouds swearing she'd never forget the betrayal she felt during those final weeks and the friendship she made during all the years.

-The end, thank you for reading Bingos Lore

(Anime favorites of all time section complete)

❀All my lovely corazons❀

@ackie-slays your art is amazing, I literally can't eat it for breakfast🍳☕🍞

@arie2faced I literally adore you, I was so scared to follow and talk to you bc I thought you were cooler than me, and you still are :)

@aceofstars0 keep being super super amazing! I'm in love with the pretty theme of your blog

@anime-nugg3t you're so amazing and a silly corazons

@a-frogo-sitting-on-a-leafo ahh!! You're so friendly and silly I love it hehe!

@alexy2000 I know we don't interact (much) but you still are beloved by me

@axolotl321 I didn't know I forgot you on here??? ANYWAYS- I hope you're doing okay and you're so sweet like a literal piece of candy

@bugzheadquarter amazing, fucking amazing! We also don't interact anymore but I still love seeing your posts and supporting you when I can (also ty for introducing me to Case Closed)

@boo-simplified you were a really long and supportive moot of mine! And you're an amazing artist that I adore and want to eat your art everyday

@cock-ainee I know you've been gone but you always make me happy whenever you are online and post

@certifiedlucifersimp yes. You are my very goofy, pookie, spooky corazon, we interact a lot and I like that! Thank you for the traumatizing but interesting asks and reblogs (Lucifer is watching 👀)

@demonmew25 we also don't interact but I always see your Muzan posts and I smile at your responses, consider me a stalker (Muzan is always watching 👀)

@dumbasscat1 awah!! You're so amazing to interact and talk to!! It makes me smile knowing you also like the same anime as me and reblog it for me to also reblog it (that totally didn't make sense lol)

@donkeybro we don't interact as much either (I need to interact with people more) you're great and you should know that you'll always be apart of my heart with the other 50+ sillies

@eros-the-dumbass I remember when I drew your oc and thats how we became friends and bonded, I loved all the art you made and posted keep making me proud

@gumii-bear I kinda forget who you were, and I feel bad but keep being mysterious and slay!

@gyutarowritings I hope you're doing okay! You haven't been active and it scares me since you were one of the sillies who interacted with me the most, I MISS YOU 🥺💞

@jazzzcatz my irl bestie :DD

@juusou I'd die to have your amazing art style and your artistic abilities! You're also so sweet and amazing to talk and send asks to, ty heh

@kagaya-ubuyasiki you are so nice and sweet you've made my day multiple times! Your art is so good like fruity pebbles I hope that I'll keep interacting with you

@knyinfinity I've seen you interact with me multiple times (I appreciate it) you are also one of my oldest sillies here! I wanna talk to you more as well

@kokushibosbestie you're a new corazon of mine but I already cherish you like my others, I've seen your writing and how friendly you are and I'm excited to interact and (maybe) spam you on my journey

@kitkat-moon I INTERACT WITH YOU THE MOST (as of now) you are a literal sunflower in my life, lighting up my day with your friendlyness and creativity, thank you for being one of my silliest corazons

@kiyokatokito and @ta-ni-ya you both are so nice! Literally the Boba tea to my life, you both are the best duos I could ever have as corazons

@local-giyuu-simp WIFEYYY!! you are the most amazing, craziest, pookiest person I've met on this at alone with @vampp4 you both are so chaotic it cracks me up everytime, keep being the silliest and pookiest duo on here

@larz-barz YOU WERE LIKE THE 2ND TO FIRST CORAZON I HAD ON THIS APP🥹 You also interact with me the most with the great roleplays, amazing and cutesy art, and the amazing goofy and nice personality I'm glad I have a person like you to talk and interact with, thank you for supporting me all the way to this point

@lunaunknown404 I've tagged you in some posts and interacted with your posts and like your art YOUR ART 🤭💗 I've never met such a great obey me artist like you, you're also like how do it say it... Amazing and great! You're also so pookie!

@muichirolover14 YOU. YOU. YOU ARE ANOTHER ONE OF MY BEST BEST BEST BEST FRIENDYS! YOU MAKE ME SMILE ALL THE DAMN TIME LIKE AUSVSISUSVSISBZ!! NO WORDS CAN EXPLAIN HOW MUCH I MISS YOU BEING ACTIVE AND US INTERACTING ON THIS APP! Ms Madam? There is only room for one sun *Cutely shoots the sun in the sky*

@mochimarshii YOU ARE SO FUN TO INTERACT WITH! like you are one of the newest corazons but you make my day all the damn time! Thank you for being so sweet and kind towards mehhh (INTERACT WITH THEM NOW TEE-HEE)

@muichirotokito-122 I MISS YOU 🥺💞 we use to talk all the time and you made me laugh at any chance you could take. Us talking was like ordering a cherry blossom ice tea (which is you)

@misty-sees-you-hehe SONIC FOREVER!!! When I first became corazons with you I was curious to see your blog and when I did I was like "WOAH! THEY ARE SO COOLL!" And you will always be cool, let's start a cult-

@m4tthxw I haven't interacted or talked to yet since you're my newest corazon, but I've seen your oc art and it's amazing!! I hope we can interact and talk soon :)

@noahowls YOUR ART IS SO CUTESY! And youre amazing to interact with, thank you for making me SUUUUUUUUUPER happy

@nothingtoseehere1-2-3 I literally was so glad that we interacted more! I need you're kind personality back! Keep being the amazing pooks you are and never let anyone ruin that (or I'll beat em up)

@naramaiz I tagged this account bc I don't know which to tag, I literally loved your art and how you drew like I miss it, thinking about it gives me so much nostalgia!! (You also were one of my longest corazons, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING SO SWEET AND LITERALLY SILLY)

@pinkwisteria I loved your art and was so scared to interact with you because I thought you were super popular and thought you'd just push me aside, but no! You were open arms to accept me and I literally cried when you became my corazon. I'd eat those masterpieces of art everyday, every year, in my grave- ignore that! Keep being my amazing friendddd awhsgsjs

@pulim-v you also are very new but so kind istg! I haven't interacted much with you (expect a spam someday) but I've seen the art and like it's so cool, amazing, and good!! Hehe

@qwardivior I LOVE YOUR AU'S! Like reading them make me ascend and has me thinking 'What if they were Ghostbusters instead of slayers', I ALSO LOVE THE EXTRA ART THAT COMES WITH THE PACKAGE your blog is the official place I will find home at when I need to find demon slayer au's to draw or if I need something to think hard of. You're also so sweet and like cutesy I will always support you

@ruiglazer you are one of my newest by you are so welcoming! I love your blogs and how nice you are to everyone that interacts with you, I hope someday I'll spam the bee jesus outta your blog until it lags XD

@rion-isnot-an-ai I HOPE YOU'RE DOING WELL ON YOUR BREAK! I'll be waiting for you to come back in the future! You're amazing and so great and like sweet! I can't explain how much I enjoy your company

@ryn-loves-cheese We don't interact much but I love your art! It's so yummy I could just crunch on it (non-stop) I hope you're doing well and you stay good hope we'll interact soon (I love cheese as well)

@r0yal-v4mp AJEISAVSB! I LOVE YOUR ART I LOVE IT I LOVE IT I LOVE IT! PLUS YOU ARE SO AMAZING AND LIKE ARGHHH?!! I CAN'T EXPLAIN HOW SWEET YOU ARE! 'You're to sweet for meeeeeeeeeee"

@seerachii-art YOUR ART IS JUST MWAH! AND THE SHIPS MAKE IT SO MAJESTIC, ADDING THAT GREAT SPARKLE! I literally love your art and you're great and a lovely corazon :D

@shycroissanti YOU. YOU. IT'S YOU. YOU WERE MY FIRST FOLLOWER🥹🫶 I'M CRYING YOU SUPPORTED ME SO MUCH THROUGH MY WHOLE TIME ON HERE, YOU'RE SO SWEET YOU MAKE ME CRY, I'm literally crying right now. Your art and oc's are just French's kiss! Like I literally love you so much (platonic)

@tor-the-tortilla YOU ARE MY BEST BEST BEST BEST BEST FRIENDY! I LITERALLY WANT TO HUG YOU THROUGH MY SCREEN. YOU ARE THE DEFINITION OF GOOFY GOOBER, and thus made me a goofy goober too. I know you haven't made art since you got a job (I'm so proud of you!) But I still look back at it and cry tears of pure joy.

@tokito-dulya20 I haven't interacted with you in so loooooooooooooooooong!!! I want to so bad, why? Because I misses yous and your kind personality

@vexinghearts ARGHHHH! YOU MAKE MY HEART CRAMP WITH HOW SWEET AND FANTASTIC YOU ARE! you're art and ocs make me ascend, like you'll catch me lacking in class because I'm thinking about drawing your silly goobies. HEHE ALSO YOU'RE SO COOL TEE-HEE

@waitinguntililikemyart you might be a new corazon, but you certainly aren't as loved as my other. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, you made my day yesterday with that box kitty! I hope we can continue interacting and being le-sillies together and hopefully forever (see what I did there? I rhymed)

(Will definitely get more soon. All my lovely corazons section complete)

❀My Music Taste/Recommend❀

(You've reached the end of my welcome blog!)

[mervardent]

Hot take: the "Zhongli is the dad and Xiao and Hu Tao are children" fanon wouldn't be as popular if Xiao and Hu Tao had tall models

Nothing against you if you like this headcanon, mind you. It's so popular for a reason.

I just find it really annoying how this fandom tends to take one fanon and treat it as if it were canon, and then to try to annihilate other headcanons by calling them creepy.

There's nothing creepy in shipping two adult characters. If anything, I find creepy the tendency to infantilize people who are shorter or smaller. So, you're telling me you treat people as less just because of their looks?

Let's be real, if Xiao had the tall model, he and Zhongli would be one of the most popular ships in Genshin. We would have a lot of Tartaglia/Zhongli/Xiao fancontent as well. Just look at the ultimate master&servant ship, Thomato: it's the most popular ship of Thoma and one of the most popular ships of Ayato. Zhongli and Xiao also fit this trope, but add in here way more angst. And people love angst.

And Hu Tao? Again, she's an adult. As far as we know, she's in her early to middle twenties right now and was in her late teens to early twenties at the start of the game (here's the post where I do the math). Tartaglia is a young adult as well, and it doesn't stop people from shipping him with Zhongli. Hell, that was one of the most popular ships at the start of the game and is still a popular one now.

People often complain about all the romantic ships, which is valid, because people are often really weird about them. However, some platonic shippers show the same tendency. In general, this fandom has the problem of taking one fanon and acting as if it was the only correct one - same goes for stuff like "hahah, Ayaka is a yandere for Aether" (I get it, it can be funny, but c'mon, Ayaya is a pretty sweet character and has more to her than just memes that don't have a lot to do with her actual personality).

Now, clutch your pearls, because I have an even hotter take for you: you can enjoy dynamics which are mutually exclusive. You can be a multishipper and like Albedo with Kaeya and Albedo with Sucrose, but you don't have to make them a polycule in your headcanon if you don't feel like it. You can have two separate headcanons. You can prefer Yun Jin and Xinyan as friends but also understand and like the vision of them being a couple. You can prefer Zhongli and Xiao as a father-son relationship but also find the idea of them being in a romantic one interesting. Because guess what - they aren't actually a father and a son. They're friends, and also, to a degree, a master and a servant. What you'll do with that is up to you.

Seriously, I admire fellow NeuvillettexFurina shippers for fighting so strongly that the narrative "Neuvillette is the dad and Furina is the daughter" didn't become the only "correct" one. Stay on your post, fellow soldiers.

To conclude:

Your headcanon/ship isn't the only correct one.

Stop treating all the adult characters/people who look younger or are shorter like children.

You can simultaneously like a few different interpretations of the same relationship.

It's supposed to be fun. Let's not ruin it for others just because we have different tastes.

[bright-hope-spot-19]

All right, fair warning here before we proceed: there will be discussions of the popular hc of Sakura having abusive parents below. Not in-depth, but child abuse is mentioned under the cut. If it makes you uncomfortable, don't proceed:

I'm sure I've said it once before, but Sakura fans really like making up scenarios of Sakura coming from an abusive family. Now, for starters, there's nothing wrong with making up angst hcs for your fave character. If you like to see them suffer, then good for you ig.

But the fascination Sakura stans have with the hc of her having abusive parents is, well, really fascinating. I find it telling that when it comes to Sakura angst, that's the first and most common idea her fans can come up with. When we think about it really, what other types of angst are the most common or widespread in the Sakura fandom? If it's not 'abusive parents', it's either ship angst with Sasuke or whatever other pretty boy their ship roulette points to, or Team 7 being toxic angst. It's also when you start realizing that they don't do it just to give her angst. Her fans don't like seeing her suffer. She's hated enough as is. What they do is 'sympathy farming'. They come up with types of angst that could make the characters in the story, as well as the viewers themselves, feel bad for her and hate her less (or like her even more, in the case of the characters).

I feel it's true because most Sakura's parents are abusive posts, have team 7 reactions being of utter sympathy, pity, and protectiveness. With Kakashi himself threatening to kill her parents for her, Naruto also would have to be stopped from insulting them to their faces, and Sasuke also despising her parents and even offering her to live with him or whatever. Where else do they get the idea that Sakura would be a victim of abuse? When her parents barely exist in canon? It's never pointed out in canon, or fillers, or anything. I think there's that reverse ninja world, where her and Naruto swap roles, I think? And they all have opposite personalities? But in that case, her parents would be dead, not abusive. Is it because she was bullied? And in her case, I wouldn't really call it bullying either. When she was 5, the other girls told her she had a big forehead, big deal. It stopped almost immediately once Ino stood up for her. Because of the one scene where she says she's on a diet? These are all the canonical 'angst' instances Sakura has that they cling to. Somehow, they're able to extrapolate 'she'd have abusive parents' from them. It's funny, because even if it was true, and her parents actually appeared in canon, and they were trash. That still wouldn't get her much sympathy from the other characters.

Kakashi barely showed any sympathy for the genocide survivor (Sasuke). What makes them think he'd feel worse for her if her parents were that way? Everybody in the village knew Naruto was a jinchuriki and that he was all alone, yet he was mostly treated like trash, too. When Kakashi was too traumatized because of his dad's death, Minato's bright idea was to drop that kid in ANBU, and Jiraiya himself told Kakashi to stop being annoying when kid Kashi went ask him for advice. Nearly no one would feel extra sympathy for her if her parents were truly abusive. Because 95% of the characters had it way worse than that, so, they're unable to see a situation like that, as dire. Okay, maybe Naruto and Ino? Would be the only ones to feel bad for her, and even then, it wouldn't be treated like an urgent problem. Sakura would probably just get the Hyuga treatment, where her parents' abuse would get solved offscreen after she's given one cool moment, saving them or smth.

Even with all that, I just think about all the other kids of her generation, and how most of them had it worse than Sakura, with the exception of maybe, Shika and Ino:

Sasuke: literally the most tragic character in the whole show.

Naruto: Lol. His and Sasuke's trauma, literally drive the plot forward.

Neji: literally a slave who lost his dad and was under constant threats from the main family.

Hinata: Not as bad as Neji, but still had an actual terrible dad. Verbal and emotional abuse are still bad, even if Hiashi never physically hit her. Even then, I think forcing your two girls to beat each other over a position of power in the family should be classified as some kind of abuse.

Shino: I'd say he was neglected by most kids just for being an Aburame. Being constantly forgotten and never taken into account is painful. Literally, he lost his brother figure to Danzo because Danzo originally had his eyes on Shino for Root, but Shino's only friend (I don't remember his name) offered himself instead. It's the same guy who was one of Danzo's bodyguards when that old coot became Hokage after the Pain attack. Now I remember the boy's name is Torune. He was like a big brother figure to Shino and his only friend and offered himself for ANBU, so Danzo wouldn't take Shino, I believe? It's still some light angst, I suppose.

Kiba: He doesn't have a dad and was raised by a strict mother, who, from the looks of her, seems to be a fan of the tiger parenting lifestyle despite being a wolf person. One of her only scenes is her making fun of the fact her husband ran away from her, so her kids don't have a father figure now. It's decidedly not much, but still something that can be described as light angst, I suppose.

Chouji: Also was actually bullied because of his weight. Kids wouldn't play with him, and Shikamaru was his only friend. Actually, this treatment of him persists, as making 'fat jokes' about him is a common gag in Naruto. Most times, Chouji is onscreen. Maru is legit one of very few people who don't make fun of him for it.

Lee: He was bullied for real, just for not being able to use ninjutsu or genjutsu. No one believed in him until Guy sensei. Also, big question mark on whether he could possibly be an orphan or not.

Tenten: Another big question mark. But there exists a chance she's also an orphan, just like Lee.

Gaara: why do I even bother. You know his deal.

Kankuro and Temari: had to live with Gaara, enough said.

Sakura is literally one of the most privileged kids of her generation. Right up there, with Ino and Maru. Even then, I'm pretty sure that with them being clan heirs, Ino and Shika also faced their daily amount of stress from their parents and clan elders to always be as good as possible in their shinobi performance. Obviously, not to the point of tiger parenting (especially not Inoichi, bless his heart). But still, there had to be some pressure. Sakura fans literally don't like that their fave is the most privileged kid of her generation, so they make up angst hcs for her. At least, that's what I've noticed.

[erenfox]

RANKING SBG SHIPS BECAUSE LOKI GAVE US ALL FREE WILL 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥

Aidlyn/Ashden: good lord the chemistry. the 'he fell first but she fell harder' trope. the lil gestures by aiden. him annoying tf out of her but also becoming very caring when she's hurt. I'M SO CALM RN GUYS. and the fact that them ending up together is inevitable lmfao XD 9/10

Benlor: FUCKKK IM SERIOUSLY NOT OK THESE TWO ARE JUST SO PURE AND SWEET TO EACH OTHER. ESPECIALLY TAYLOR TOWARDS HIM, cuz he kinda suppresses his feelings and is a sad boi :( dw ben taylor's gonna make you feel happy again fosho lmao 😭 the lil blushing ben always does around taylor! her supporting his ideas even tho they flop! her helping him calm down from barron through music! her always cheering him up whenever he's gloomy! her being the first to thank him for opening up! THEY'RE LITERALLY THE DEFINITION OF SHE FELL FIRST BUT HE FELL HARDER! GOD IM SO NORMAL ABOUT THEM 😭😭😭 10/10

Tylenol/Tylo: i never thought of the prospect of them together, but post tumblr i must say its interesting. not just them being the single ones in the team, but i like the way tyler defended logan against barron, and his general protective aura around logan. but then again tyler was kinda rude to logan in the start. idk it just gives me the ick 4/10

Tyden: LMAO the continuous saga of them pissing tf out of each other. it would be fuckin hilarious if they somehow end up together. but apart from the general hilarious bickering, there's not too much to it 5/10

Tayden: goddamn their friendship is so precious!! her painting his nails? her carrying him on his shoulders in dat one artwork?PURE BESTIE VIBES they just match each other's freak lmfao. 8/10

Logden: meh there are not any significant moments between these two. 1/10

Loglor/Taygan: no but why can i actually see this happening lol. the way theyre both so gentle around each other! then the way she was the first to help him when he got slashed by the phantom? and also the way she stood up for him when tyler was being rude? AND the lil hugs they give each other which none of the duos in the gang give? Cute af! 7/10

Benlyn: ooh the two quiet people of the gang! they could work out really well bcoz they definitely understand each other's struggles with muteness and phantom hearing respectively. plus that panel of ben braiding ashlyn's hair was so cute lmao :> 7/10

Loglyn: AAA they have sm potential!!! before the events of yk the whole ✨sAvAnNaH✨ mess, i feel like they wouldve been each other's only existing acquaintance they may call friends (ik it's not canon but it's very plausible lol) 6/10

Benlo/Logben: theyd definitely be good together, it's just that my sbg memory is failing to recall any significant moments b/w them ;-; if y'all remember pls do tell 2/10

Tyben: what is with the hernandez siblings always ending up being bens biggest supporters lmao XD it's a cute dynamic honestly 4/10

Taylyn: now this is one freakin adorable ship TvT. the way taylor always had a slight pang of concern for a friendless lonely ashlyn when they were kids? and the way they quite frankly became besties after enduring all the phantom world shit? very sweet, both platonic and romantic lmao 6/10

Tylyn/Ashler: i have been usurped into the tylyn propaganda by @tragedry honestly I DO NOT COMPLAIN. like holy fuck they're so enemies to lovers! them "loathing" each other, fighting for leadership, but then immediately becoming possibly the biggest protectors of each other in times of danger??? extremely wholesome lmao i love them smmm 9/10

SO THE TOP SHIPS ARE:

4. tie b/w TAYGAN and BENLYN (the rarepairs that just make sense) 😌👌

3. TAYDEN (the crack ship) 😈🔥🥉

2. tie b/w TYLYN and AIDLYN (the wholesome ships) 😍❗🥈

1. BENLOR (THE PUREST SWEETEST MOST ADORABLE GOOFS EVERR I-) 🥺❤🥇

[valiantothello]

Who would’ve thought that poor writing from past writers diminishing Kory and dickkory would spark so much backlash today, right? Dickkory has a big fandom made up of both comic readers and general audiences. When someone who discovered dickkory through cartoons steps into the world of comics and finds out they’re no longer together, how did people really expect them to react? Long-time comic readers already know how dc has treated Kory, but newcomers coming in from shows or movies (where most of the hate/toxicity usually shows up) are left confused and don’t understand what really happens behind the scenes.

I get being upset about toxicity and hate toward your ship, but honestly, putting every person from one ship in the same box and saying they’re all toxic doesn’t seem like a reasonable take, especially because you know that’s not true, you just have to think about it. And the db fandom has a lot of toxic people too. My first contact with comics was about 7 years ago, and throughout all that time, I’ve seen people say that dickkory was purely lust and that Dick never loved Kory, that feels like toxicity too, doesn’t it?

I think it’s fair to call out toxic behavior, but don’t act like your side’s innocent either, because dickbabs also has very toxic and annoying shippers, obviously not all of them, but they still exist. People just ignore it because that fandom isn’t as big as dickkory’s. And when it comes to not liking a ship, I think it’s totally valid that people feel bitter and dislike dickbabs because of how it was built by diminishing Kory. Maybe if, 30 years ago, the writers hadn’t been so petty, and if some dickbabs shippers didn’t celebrate that kind of writing, it wouldn’t be such a disliked ship by the rest of the fandom today.

Yep yep yep. I wholeheartedly agree. I'm just glad that we as a fandom are standing up against the bias writing that has been happening to Kory for so long. And yes, the dickbabs fandom has their own fair share of toxic shippers. Mainly, I see them on chat rooms and twitter calling Kory all sorts of misogynistic slurs and whatnot. It's not all of them or even most but it's a shame to see nonetheless.

Dickkory is popular and has been a popular ship since before they canonically got together in NTT, the animated shows and movies only supplemented this popularity. It makes sense that people who come into comic FOR Dickkory get irritated when DC pulls bait-and-switches that ultimately paints Kory as a jealous ex and Babs as superior. Its no excuse for poor behaviour and toxicity but it's a reason.

Thanks for the ask anon 💞

[dukeofdelirium]

seeing you discard annoying zks honestly makes me feel like I'm less delusional about zukaang in comparison lol. I'm aware it'll never be canon and I will never be saying obscene shit about Bryke being supposed Andrew Tates to uplift my ship

No one would even care about zutara as a ship if it weren’t for how their ship fandom behaves and has a history of behaving. Plus zukaang shippers vastly seem to comprehend the story and characters unlike zutara shippers lol. I also ship zukaang in addition to kataang. Never had an issue

They always try to act like it’s about whether they can ship whatever they want and it’s like, no lol. It has nothing to do with ship and let ship. It has everything to do with their ship fandom doxxing kataang shippers, throwing around serious criminal false allegations both toward kataang shippers and the actual creators, calling the creators pedophiles, saying the cartoon is a sexist fantasy, calling a 12 yr old character a canonical rapist and wife beater, saying zutara was originally planned which is a complete lie, lying about the writing of the show in general, insisting there is some sort of canonical support for the ship and that anyone who disagrees is a misogynist, harassing kataang shippers unprovoked, having a 2 decade long HISTORY of behaving this way and then trying to play the victim when kataang shippers have enough and clap back

Literally no ship fandom within ATLA behaves this way except for zutara shippers. It is very much a them problem.

[a2trid]

SHEPARD HEADCANONS

(Tw. Cringy, probably ooc, and their ages are like that bc I like to parallel them with the curtis’s)

(And maybe for shipping)

— —

-Curly was born out of an affair

-They all share the same mom, but Curly has a different father. He was born 9 months after Angela- and it was meant to be 10 he was just premature. When Tim and Angela’s dad found out, him and their mom had a huge fight that Tim overheard and Angela- who was like one- only knows about because of comments their mom made. He ended up getting super drunk and crashed his car, running over the other man in the process who was also drunk

-Curly never met his birth father, but their mom got remarried like a year later and their step-dad fucking hated curly so much and was actually very abusive to him

-Curly found out because of a fight between him and Tim OR his mom said something

(PLEASE I actually need to tap about this so badly)(just let me flesh it out a bit more)

-Tim moved out when he was 16 and Buck helped him get a house. Angela moved in when she was around 13 and Curly a year later(I’m gonna work on the timeline later)

-Tim is 19-20, Angela 15-16, Curly 13-14. I haven’t decided yet

-Curly and Tim both have blue eyes while Angels are brown, and if that’s any different in canon I have not read That Was Then, This Is Now. Their mom had rlly strong genes that hated Angela ig

-Curly gets compared a lot to Tim and it actually annoys him because he does not want to live in Tim’s shadow

-When Curly’s in reformatory, Angela gets rid of most of the dust in his room because it makes him sneeze and she doesn’t want to hear him groan and moan about it(and totally not because she loves him)

-they actually do love each, but because of the environment they grew up in they don’t know how to show it

-Curly is crazy good at first aid and patching up wounds because of his step dad and he got bored and took a first aid course in reformatory or school, but sometimes he’ll go to his siblings because he just wants someone else to do it

-Idk why but I lowkey hc Curly as trans- ftm

-Angela and Curly go out to smoke and just kinda walk around town for a while when one of them is upset or sm

-When Curly first came to Tim broken and bloody from their step-dad, Tim stayed by him all night and like cried for 5 minutes

-Angela paints her nails dark blue to try and match with her brothers- not that she’d ever tell them

-They all hate winter

-Curly and/or Tim have the occasional habit of stuffing out cigarettes on their arms or shoulders

-They all have tattoos on their forearms: Angela’s is a wilting rose and I have no clue what Tim or Curly’s are

-Angela cuts Curly’s hair while Tim does his own

-They all have their own room but they’re all kinda small and Tim has the habit of falling asleep on the couch Andy they don’t really have bed frames

-They all hate fish

-Curly’s got a bunch of scars from roughhousing, his step-dad, his own stupidity, and his own bad habits

-Curly likes chewing gum but isn’t that big of a fan of popping it

-Curly is the only one that can actually kinda cook because lord knows his parents didn’t- Tim and Angela usually just swipe take out or have something they heat up. They know basics but curly lowkey knows a bit more

-Angela has a habit of twirling her hair between her fingers

-They all like rock music

-Curly got so many concussions as a kid, Tim and Angela were worried he’d have permanent damage

-Curly can’t go a day without bruised knees- or just bruises in general

-They call Curly ‘curly fry’ to piss him off bc he actually doesn’t like curly fries specifically. Really the only fries he doesn’t like

-Curly knows sign language. Idk why he just does

-Curly’s a drop out bc let’s be honest they could NOT afford school, so Pony comes by occasionally to teach him what they’re learning bc Curly hates feeling stupid compared to others or sm I don’t know

-they all have piercings

— —

Probably wildly ooc but imma be honest, I have basically no idea what their personalities are

TRUST I’m gonna fix the timeline so it’ll make sense to not just me

@sonnysimagination @aeurobie

[utdrmv-confession-box]

Hot take, I don't like the Xtale Frisk X Muffet ship because it's basically Fran's but less popular. 

So a while back Jakie released a post (https://jakei95.tumblr.com/post/753964540646014976/this-will-be-the-last-update-about-the-accusations) apologizing and explaining a bunch of drama and problems that occurred within the fandom that included her. One of those things she addresed was the Frisk X Muffet ship, and I have to say her explanation of this doesn't cut it. Her reasoning for this is that we don't really know if Muffet is an actual adult in Canon undertale and the relationship between XFrisk and XMuffet are both consenting adults in an AU so it's okay. But… it’s not. After looking into it, I can say is that most likely Muffet is not a child and it’s not okay to ship her Xtale counterpart with Xtale Frisk.

Starting off with what we know about Muffet is that she wasn't a character made by Toby Fox nor Temmy Chang but rather the OC of a person who contributed enough money to undertale kickstarter to have it put into the game as a fight. Muffet runs a full blown business, wearing snazzy clothing with outrageous prices on her food and also hates anyone who she deems doesn't like spiders, going so as to imply that she would have killed alphys for annoying her by warning her to evacuate during the neutral going on genocide run. All in all she's a pretty interesting character and her song’s an absolute banger.

What does this have to do with the Frisk X Muffet ship?  Well what we do know about monster culture is that all children wear striped shirts, a call back to Earthbound (In which undertale was inspired by). In the pacific and some neutral runs you can get a dialogue from monster kid within Snowdin where they talk to Frisk and say that they must be a kid like them because they’re wearing a striped shirt. This supports the idea that in Monster culture, all children wear striped shirts. This is further supported by the fact that all the child characters that we see with the underground are wearing striped shirts. Monster kid and Asriel have striped shirts and Chara who is adopted by monsterkind is wearing a striped shirt, heck they were wearing one when they fell into the underground and so was Frisk so maybe it’s a universal thing.  

Muffet, on the other hand, is never shown wearing a striped shirt. Now, you could chalk this up to Muffet being an OC that wasn't created by Toby so she would be an exception to this, but you'd think that since she’s believed to be a child by some that she would have some sort of dialogue implying that she was a kid. Fox never skips out on details, so I would expect that if Muffet was a child character she would say something like “oh ho ho ho, I use to have a striped shirt like you, but I got rid of it because it blended to well with my spiders and I was afraid they might get squashed because of it.” but instead she acts like Mr Krabs without the two extra legs and is willing to cannibalize monsters & has with her spiders.

Others also try to use the excuse that she's short therefore she must be a child, but there are two other characters that are adults who are also around the same size as Frisk, those being Sans and Alphys. They both, just like Muffet, have jobs like an adult would. Sans has three- doing stand-up comedy at the MTT Hotel, running multiple food stands throughout the underground, and of course being a sentry. Alphys on the other hand is the Royal scientist. It’s obvious both of them are adults despite there short stature. I mean alphy’s is dating undyne for goodness sake and Toriel tells her when she's about to kiss undyne at the end of true pacifist run that there are children present, not that Alphys is a child. It's also implied that Sans & Alphys know each other through being scientists, so neither of them can be children. We know that Papyrus is obvious adult and Sans is his older brother so of course Sans is an adult too ( and it generally freaks me out that some people try and rationalize saying Sans isn't an adult because of his short stature just so they can ship him with Frisk)

Muffet has a job just like these guys (which no other child does) and never in her dialogue does it imply that she’s a child nor does it ever within canon. Just because it’s never outright stated in the game doesn’t mean that it’s not canon. It’s like how people try to rationalize that sans is a child (cuz he's short) despite all the signs saying he isn’t within the game. 

Now, some people like Jakie may say that since Xtale is an Alternate universe that has both Muffet and Frisk the same age, it’s chill to ship them.

They are w r o n g

Take the ship frans (frisk x sans). Some people try to get around its pedophilic nature by aging frisk up (example sooner or later you'll be mine). This is still really really gross because at the core- it’s a pedophilic ship. You are taking a canon child character and matching them with an adult, then aging the child up like it’s a loophole that “doges” how it’s pedophilic. Lemme repeat that. YOU. yes YOU are taking a canon CHILD and making them be ROMANTICALLY INVOLVED with an ADULT which is a PEDOPHILIC RELATIONSHIP, and you trying and remove its roots by aging them up STILL MAKES IT GROSS. If you are so desperate to ship sans or an adult with someone- MAKE AN OC. 

This reminds me of the ship Xvial which is xgaster X ink (ignoring the fact that both are aroace) with people trying to rationalize that since ink doesn’t have a bio dad that’s a gaster and technically Xgaster isn’t cross and XPapyrus’s bio dad it’s okay to ship them. NO NO IT'S NO GUYS PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS I'M BEGGING YOU. Ink had TWO dads that are gaster’s and although they aren’t bio related to him THEY’RE STILL HIS PARENTS and cross + XPapyrus see XGaster as a parent. That’s not even mentioning the fact that Xgaster was also emotionally and physically (implied) abusive to them so SHIPPING XVIALS IS GROSS. It’s like incest but with extra steps, and why would Ink date someone they know to have been heavily abusive and manipulative to his friend and their family? The people who ship this are waving a major red flag, one filled with the hole of loophole’s they try to exploit to make this ship normal.

Back on topic, It’s the same principle with Xtale Frisk and Muffet. Frisk in canon undertale is a child while Muffet is an Adult. Although their Xtale counterpart’s may not know this nor do they show it, the creator of xtale (Jakei) DOES. 

THAT MAKES IT NASTY.

The only reason why there isn't a big uproar in the fandom about this is because Muffet isn’t as popular as Sans. But if Jakei had shipped sans with frisk when she began writing Xtale/underverse- most people by today would have had absolutely no tolerance for that crap and she’d be shunned by a larger part of the fandom. 

The fact that Jakei tries to defend this leaves a sour taste in my mouth because you'd have to be either blind or doing mental gymnastics in order to defend it. Like dude it is OBVIOUS. I’m not sure if Jakei is aware that Muffet was an OC which might explain why she thought she was a child, but everything about Muffet points towards her being an adult, just being a less popular character. A pedophilic ship is still a pedophilic ship if you have to age up a character so it wouldn’t be called that.

Needless to say- unless toby fox himself descends down from his chair and says that Muffet is a child or some canon info disproves my conclusion- the ship is gross and I don’t want to deal with anyone who ships it (the same goes for xVials).  -Cheesey thoughts anon

Respectfully, this is so much text. I would lose my mind, patience, and marbles trying to effectively copy and paste this all.

[darknoverse]

Blog Introduction✨

Finally making an introduction lol

Hellooooo I'm Nada , tho you can call me Chaotic goose or Darkno :3

✨selfshipper! Also have sm oc x canon stuff !

✨21 years old

✨she/her

✨I do digital art, traditional art, animatics, animations (rarely) , 3d modeling ,pixel art

✨neurodivergent

✨I'm in many fandoms but mainly buzz Lightyear of star command, Mario &Luigi RPGs, samurai jack , my life as a teenage robot, dex Hamilton:alien entomologist ect ect

✨my carrd! Containing main F/Os (romantic ones that i'll post about more often!) and DNIs

here's my strawpage ! has full f/o list , ship tags, main f/o (and their sharing status!) also you can send me doodles there eheheh)

✨few socials:

💜My Toyhouse

💜my artfight

💜my Bluesky

✨also I'm like your resident bat kisser/villain lover and I'm gonna be annoying with that/pos .

✨ SPECIFICALLY a HUGE Antasma fan btw! I draw him/talk about him all the time so ... Y'all gotta adapt lol 😭🙏 if you're interested in seeing my headcanons and art about him, you can to the right place!

❌BOUNDARIES!!!and such❌

❌ i am NOT comfortable with sharing antasma as a f/o tbh, I am not comfortable with all the canon x canon ships with him so PLEASE don't talk to me about those . if u like em, good for you, i simply don't .

❌please be respectful with the few f/os I ain't comfortable sharing

❌be polite and respectful in general

❌ do NOT use petnames/flirt with me . Even if in a platonic way. That shit is uncomfortable and I'll yeet you to pluto if u do.

💬Arttrades: closed

💬requests: closed forever 😭😂(unless we're friends)

✨few of the main posts and essays(so far)

Antasma analysis (long aah essay )

Antasma's design analysis tag : #darknoveranalysis

But aside from that DMs are always open if you guys wanna be pals !^^

That is all I think! Enjoy your stay and be respectful💜

[drsantosgf]

tbh i think a lot of the people saying "well both sides are wrong"/"bt stans are just as toxic" are just not exposed to other perspectives in this fandom. as a buddie fan who's been watching this show since s1, i can safely say that buddie fans have always been toxic. like as fact. to me, to say that bucktommy fans are just as harmful or just as annoying or just as bad as buddies consistently are is just. delusional. indicative of at worst a biased opinion and at best an uninformed one. buddie has been here since s2 and fans have ruthless ever since. bucktommy has been here for 3/4 of a season and for the most part, stay in their lane. i'm sure there are bucktommy fans who suck, like that's just being on the internet, but you have to be blind to ignore how insane buddie fans are and genuinely how much worse they are in comparison.

i don't want to generalize and i think constantly adding that disclaimer is annoying as hell bc obviously i'm not talking about everyone but because buddie has been here for so long and taken up so much mental space of very die-hard, passionate fans, you're going to see much more intensity on that side. after season 5, i had to step away from the fandom and the show because of how frustrating it got. it was annoying to see people swear up and down buddie will be canon by the end of s3-no wait s4-no wait s5-no wait- and ultimately it sucked my enjoyment out of a show i otherwise enjoyed because i got swept up in the Buddie Of It All and forget about why i watch the show to begin with. we've been left to stew in our theories and now we can't tell what canon and what's fanon anymore, and when the show reminds us, the disappointment and frustration kills our hopes.

i was also active in the dan and phil fandom and supernatural fandom, like ik why people think we're annoying and it's because we are. we make everything about the one thing we like, we comment on every post begging for it to become canon, we're violently disappointed when the show doesn't play into our fan theories because we've convinced ourselves buddie is going to happen by the end of the next episode or actually the end of this season or actually maybe the end of the next season. we've torn a part every female love interest, either making them boring or making them unlikeable in our fanon. all that to say is that when people call us annoying, they're telling the truth and when bucktommy fans say buddie fans are toxic, they're coming from a sincere place. i mean we can't even enjoy our own ship because we're so quick to get our hopes up and be let down about something as stupid it becoming canon. who cares if it becomes canon, just like it to like it.

and it makes sense why there's perceived "toxicity" on the bucktommy side. our energy is being matched; the obsession, the passion, the surge in fandom. if you don't like it or even just find it annoying, i suggest you guys look back on your own posts and comments and behaviors towards other people in the fandom and other characters and unbiasedly compare it to the Toxic Bucktommy Shippers you're claiming you hate. if bucktommy fans are obsessive, it's because we've set the stage for that. if bucktommy fans are getting aggro and defensive, it's because buddie fans have been on the opposition and don't know how to turn it off. we've gone from underdog to bully somewhere in the last 6 seasons.

[unsaidace]

It's not up to Oliver to hold their hands. He's not there to push their ship with tptb or to be their flag bearer in interviews. He's an actor doing a job.

The fact that Buddie shippers are parasocial with him is not his fault.

That ask annoyed me ngl. If they want to shut canon Buddie down once and for all, then it's not up to Oliver (or Ryan) to do it for them.

Gonna be honest, I’m not entirely sure which ask we’re talking about here, but I do agree with you generally speaking in that it’s not Oliver and Ryan’s responsibility to shut down Buddie.

My thing is, the show itself has finally started trying to shut Buddie down this season, and the BoBs have been purposely twisting everything into more “proof”. The show has told us Eddie is straight twice now; when Eddie himself says it to Father Brian in 8x06, and then when Buck says it to Tommy during their 8x11 argument. Ryan and Oliver saying Eddie is straight in interviews is just trying to reinforce what the show is telling us.

Obviously, that’s not their responsibility, but I suppose that they’re taking that role up because it’s their characters being used in this shitshow. I also think it might have something to do with the fact that the BoBs have started slipping this shit into their actual private lives and are now genuinely shipping Oliver and Ryan as a couple, which is so beyond parasocial that I don’t even know what to call it anymore besides Larry Stylinson Syndrome™️. The fact that they’re doing it by utterly destroying Eddie as a character…well, as a Certified Eddie Hater, that’s just the icing on the cake for me.