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nthspecialll · 11 months ago

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Red dead characters as horses, based not on vibes but personality.

Firstly, I am an equestrian of twelve years I know that a horse's breed doesn't fully determine it's personality and you can find any horse of any breed with any personality, but this is based on stereotypes, my own personal experience and well... Google. Again, this is not by vibes, but personality so reflect a little from horse to person.

Arthur Morgan - American Quarter Horse

No matter if it is a show pony or a workhorse you are looking for, the American Quarter Horse got you. It is known for being easy to handle but reliable no matter the job given. It is a good all-around horse and can handle anything from beginner lessons to high-level competitions.

Hosea Matthews - Norwegian Fjord Horse

Very sweet and docile-looking horse but make no mistake, this beast has more opinion, sass and stubbornness than you would ever imagine. Intelligent in the way that it is fully aware of the people around it and knows when it is time to play tricks and run corners and when it is time to play it sweet. The second you dare underestimate it it will remind you that it is in fact stronger than what you might expect.

Dutch Van Der Linde - The Andalusian

A horse breed known widely for being elegant and fancy but unlike many other hot blooded (reactive) horses, tends not to get hurt as easily, coming out fine from situations where the other hot blooded might have gotten wounded in. Although known for being smart, attentive and sensible, they can easily become too much to handle if handled wrongly.

John Marston - The Arabian

Now I know some people are gonna be like "no that doesn't fit at all!" but hold on, just listen, hear me out. Although generally known for being hot-headed, hard to control and stupid, they are actually quite intelligent, have a high endurance and are well aware of their surroundings. With dense and strong bone structure they are quite resilient to much, however they do tend to get wounded in their own hot-headedness... (John I am looking at you strolling up to Fort Mercer and getting fkn shot on sight, tf you thought was gonna happen?)

Javier Escuella - American Mustang

A wild horse known for its stubborn spirit and the lengths it will go to for freedom. It takes a long time trusting, however once having earned its heart it is the most loyal you can find. It is also a highly adaptable horse.

Bill Williamson - Irish Cob/Gypsy Vanner (Same breed, different name)

Lazy, hard to get moving and often seen as bad, the last choice or a breed that wouldn't hold up in bigger competitions, however is actually quite good and does any job well. They are eager to please (Bill to Dutch) and can also grow a beard!

Till Jackson - The Shetland Pony

Small and very adorable looking to a point one thinks they are harmless, and while they can be very sweet, they are going to throw you the second you least expect it. They will not let their short stature and cute appearance be a disadvantage to them but instead use it against others. (Knew one that bit the taller horse's stomach and became the damn leader of that herd)

Charles Smith - The Friesian

Often seen as scary and frightening looking due to their tough exterior, however they are very kind-hearted and highly intelligent. They are loyal and well-mannered, very reliable and makes a good companion.

Kieran Duffy - The Haflinger

A very gentle and generally curious fella. Known for being very friendly and people-oriented. If you spend any time around them you will also often find out that they are quite silly, however make no mistake, they are still horses and thus will always be dangerous.

Josiah Trelawny - Pryor Mountain Mustang

An endangered form of Mustang that are known for elegance and athleticism and while could easily make for a great show pony there is a few problems. They are not very reliable as they are quite skittish and tend to flee as well as be quite hard to tame and tie down.

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jadevine · 1 year ago

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Medieval Warhorses, Repost + additions!

Since people loved my "Preindustrial travel times" post so much, I decided to repost my "Realistic warhorses" info separately from the original link, where it was a response to "how to get the feel of realistic combat."

The original link is here.

The "Warhorse" post on my blog, plus a recent addition, is here.

And here's the text for people who want to go down my "grown up horse-girl" rabbit hole right away!

Medieval Warhorses:

First of all: DESTRIERS WERE NOT DRAFT HORSES. Horse/military historians are begging people to stop putting their fantasy knights on Shires, Belgians, and other massive, chunky farm-horses! The best known instance of “a knight needs to get lifted onto their 18-hand draft horse” is a SATIRE (A Yankee in King Arthur’s Court, if I remember right), but somehow laymen decided to take it seriously.

Hell, I think the film’s historians knew that this was extremely inaccurate and begged the director not to do it.

For the purposes of this post, I will not get into the different TYPES OF WARHORSES. That is a hyper-fixation for another day, lol.

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First problem with “Draft horses as warhorses:”

The bulk of modern-day “breeds” are far too recent for a medieval or medieval-fantasy story. Modern horse “breeds” began around the 1700s-1800s, so that’s in the EXTREMELY late-medieval/early-modern period. Before that, most medieval horses were referred to by “TYPE/PURPOSE” and maybe a “Country/Region.” “Spanish/Iberian horses” (the ancestors of modern-day Andalusians, Carthusians, and Lusitanos) were overwhelmingly popular for combat, and other baroque horses were also esteemed.

Destriers are physically average-height at 15 hands high (about 5 feet tall at the shoulder/withers), but the important part is that they are STACKED at 1200-1300lbs when most 15-hand horses are only 900-1000lbs, so that’s a quarter to a third more weight in muscle.

And remember, muscle will not make a given horse look “chubby!” Good ways to get across a warhorse’s muscles in writing is 1) how ROCK SOLID they are when you touch them, 2) their chiseled shoulders, necks, and butts, and 2) when they get into motion, especially for a fight, their muscles will flex and get REALLY defined. The three regions I mentioned are usually the most visible if they’ve got horse tack or a rider on them.

Think of the difference between “regular horse” and “destrier” as “regular Tom Hardy, who looks fit but normal,” versus “Tom Hardy playing Bane, where he put on thirty pounds and his torso and arms look like a fucking tree-trunk.”

Warhorses had nerves of steel, and the best-trained warhorses used could sprint and turn on a dime–they’ve been called “the sports cars of the medieval world.” This is a far cry from huge, sweet, and lumbering draft horses.

Besides Spanish horses, modern-day candidates for destriers would be European cobs (heavier all-purpose horses, large Welsh cobs are the best-known modern breed), and Foundation Quarter Horses (working/stock horses that can herd cattle and race and actually USE their muscles, not the bloated halter-horses who are mostly bred to look “good” to judges).

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But if the destrier was supposed to be the horse equivalent of “Tom Hardy as Bane” and not “The Mountain from Game of Thrones,” then how could they carry a knight’s armor as well as their own?

First of all, human combat armor is different from JOUSTING armor and it is easily half the weight for better mobility. Warhorses from proper medieval times aren’t shown wearing much horse-armor, even in jousting. The stuff you see in museums is also frequently the custom-made armor for wealthy nobles, who either 1) wore it once or twice a year for public celebrations, which is also why the armor’s in pristine condition instead of dented and bloody like combat armor would be, or 2) wore it because they were rich enough to not want themselves OR their expensive horses to die too soon in combat.

Assuming that all destriers needed to carry 150lbs for an adult armored man, PLUS another 150lbs of the horse’s riding tack and armor, is like people from the years 2500-3000 assuming that everyone with a “car” must have a Lamborghini or a Ferrari that takes up a lot of maintenance (if you want to keep it looking nice, at least) and can go 200 miles per hour.

So the vast majority of realistic warhorses/destriers didn’t get much if any armor, because 1) horse-armor is for princes and dukes, not Count Whoever’s third son or his nephew that he tossed out on adulthood with barely any money, and 2) horse-armor is going to weigh down your FAST and NIMBLE warhorse. (Remember: Knights wanted sports cars, not tanks!) Take a look at the horses and knights of the website called “Destrier!” Most horses there aren’t notably tall, and they mostly wear head-armor and fancy but not heavy horse-tack like capes, instead of full barding.

Another reason average/short warhorses were preferred is for medieval safety issues: You wanted to mount your horse from the ground without help. The famous knight Jean Le Maingre was so dedicated to fighting that he could VAULT onto his horse in armor, without touching the stirrups. His instructions are, essentially, “put on your armor, find your horse, put your hands on the horse’s back/saddle, and FUCKING JUMP.”

Unless you’re seven feet tall or a gymnast, you’re not jumping onto an 18-hand draft horse.

So all those Red Dead Redemption animations where you get to alley-oop your way onto your loyal steed? POSSIBLE, IF YOU ARE CRAZY/ANGRY ENOUGH.

Quick note: In ancient Ireland, they refer to a “steed-leap” that nobles, warriors, and other “people rich enough to own RIDING horses” were trained to use–with the important distinction that Gaelic nobles often took pride in either using saddles without stirrups, or NOT USING SADDLES TO PUT ANY STIRRUPS ON. So the bulk of Gaelic Irish nobles could theoretically go Red Dead Redemption on your ass.

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And the third reason most combat-ready warhorses didn’t get armor is because infantry (the vast majority of most medieval armies) just had a low chance of hitting them in the first place.

First of all, most horses are already faster than people. Destriers were EXCEPTIONALLY fast as the cream of the crop. For the horse to need armor, someone needs a good chance of hitting the horse.

Second, most horses are hard to kill physically because horses don’t tend to like getting stabbed or shot at, so they will likely try to kill YOU, which means that a knight and his horse are TWO fighters who are both very angry and very protective of each other. Most people love their horses, and many combatants share intense bonds! IMAGINE IF YOUR HORSE IS ALSO YOUR SQUAD-MATE!

And last of all, most horses are hard to kill mentally because when you want to use cavalry, you ALSO want the other side’s infantry to get consumed by panic and bolt for their lives, away from their companions and AWAY FROM THE CHARGING HORSES. (Which routinely leads to a slaughter, often called a “rout” in period literature, or a “curb-stomp battle” on TV Tropes.) While most knights could dish out one-on-one duels against EACH OTHER, a knight against a foot-soldier is going to have a huge and explicitly unfair advantage if the soldier is not specifically trained and equipped to take them on.

See, when you get a herd of knights on their steeds, the noise and the wave of horseflesh charging at you is going to make your reptile-brain instincts scream “NOPE NOPE NOPE, WE GOTTA GO!!!”

That instinct is so strong that infantry ACTORS in movies–who know that this is not a real war, and the riders don’t actually want to kill them–still routinely break formation and run.

It was possible to stop cavalry with infantry and end up slaughtering them instead of getting routed–it was just extremely notable.

Also, unless you’re specifically going for blood: You don’t WANT to slaughter a whole formation of knights! That means you’ve just pissed away a WHOLE lot of money that the knights represent!

You killed the horses that you could have used for your own side, and possibly bred for more high-end horses! You ruined the armor that you could have used for your own side, or at least melted down for high-quality, already-mined metal! You killed the knights that you could have sweetened up and used for your own side–or more likely, told their families to pay you if they wanted them home intact.

Barely anyone remembers that knights were as good for HOSTAGES as they were for actually fighting. (Except for Game of Thrones, and it’s still only plot-relevant for Jaime Lannister and Theon Greyjoy, and they explicitly did NOT get the protection a noble hostage should have.) It’s noted that Agincourt was a GREAT ending for England because capturing all those French nobles earned them TWENTY YEARS’ WORTH of regular income in ransoms. If they hadn’t won and gotten all that sweet, sweet French money, they would have been bankrupted and depopulated instead.

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Two more strikes I’d feel are appropriate for “not wanting draft-type horses in combat:”

-Logistics 1: Too much food, too much hassle. Horses are already notorious for eating a lot, and a DRAFT horse that’s 2000lbs instead of 1200lbs will eat twice as much. No army wants to use their fodder for only half the number of horses they’d expect.

-Logistics 2: Too much hair, too much hassle. Shires and other British horses often have feathering on their legs, and anyone with long hair knows that loose hair/fur is a fucking PAIN. You can braid a horse’s mane and tail, but if you’re one of the many average/poor knights who DON’T have servants to take care of your horse for you, do you want to spend extra time cleaning and combing out your horse’s LEGS instead of necessary things? Like feeding them, grooming them, and checking for wounds? Nope, you’ll probably shave the feathering off or just pick a horse that doesn’t have it.

-Extra note on Friesian horses, who are RIDICULOUSLY common in “medieval” movies: Friesian horses are technically baroque horses in body form (Strong-boned! Big necks and butts!), but they’re also over-used in general, so most horse folks are sick of seeing them in movies. And if you don’t have the right kind of MODERN Friesian, you’ll probably be a laughingstock in addition to an eye-roll.

Some strains of modern Friesians are from carriage-horse lines, often referred to as “big movers.” This means “fun to LOOK AT, but terrible to RIDE.” Because, you know, those strains of Friesians weren’t meant for riding, but for PULLING CARRIAGES. Their movements are big, dramatic, and flashy… and their trot is notorious for bouncing people out of the saddle with every step. Not something you want for a knight who fills his opponents with terror.

A good riding horse’s movements are usually smooth and low to the ground, often described as “floating” and “effortless.”

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A horse-note that I can’t figure out where to put: Many Western cultures love the idea of fiery stallions (intact male horses) for their noble knights and kings to ride into battle on, but realistically, stallions are only half of a given horse population. Many Western stallions are also gelded if they’re not the cream of the crop (which is probably at least the bottom half of the male horse population). So mares can be used by at least half of a realistic formation who just wants a warhorse, and doesn’t care about aesthetics or masculinity.

Also, mares can be ruthless and stallions can be nervous wrecks! Horses are living creatures, with personalities and feelings!

Horses also aren’t very sexually dimorphic, so a 1200lb war mare is DEFINITELY a match for a 1300lb war stallion. And remember how Loras Tyrell used a mare in heat to distract The Mountain’s stallion? That happens with a lot of stallions… almost like they’re living creatures, with instincts that they can’t always control! So if you know when your girl is ready to go every month, you can play dirty in a joust, too!

Just remember that you’re taking an equal risk, since your mare will possibly try to let a stallion mount her instead of fighting. You will either need to bail when she starts making googly-eyes, or you need to know you have ABSOLUTE loyalty from her, and she will listen to YOU instead of “the hot dude I just met five minutes ago!” HORSES ARE LIVING CREATURES, WITH INSTINCTS THAT THEY CAN’T ALWAYS CONTROL.

Then geldings will be used by at least another quarter of “the knights who cannot afford a horse good enough to keep his testicles,” so that leaves “a quarter or less” of knights who can realistically be mounted on stallions.

WORSE NEWS: If you geld a stallion too late (usually once they’re MOSTLY physically mature at 4-5 years old), that risk may never go away–so you’ve got a gelding who’s not breeding quality, but he’s still chasing mares in heat and fighting other stallions in turf battles, without understanding that he can no longer make babies!

On the other hand, some cultures don’t geld stallions because they view it as unnecessary or outright unnatural… but they also don’t want half the horse population distracted by pretty mares, or fighting with other stallions who walk by the pasture, so those cultures breed them to be sweet and easily managed (outside of battle, at least).

In short: ALL HORSES HAVE POTENTIAL TO BE WARHORSES, WHETHER THEY HAVE BALLS OR NOT.

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Update, Feb 2 – Another day to expand on that “Different types of warhorses” mention!

Much like the common misconception of “all knights must be at least 6 feet tall and have 200 pounds of muscle” varied in real life due to genetics, cultural values, and logistics problems, the assumption that “all knights MUST have top-quality destriers that cost seven times the price of a normal horse” was not the case for the vast majority of “knights.”

Knights would have either “the best horse they could AFFORD” or “the best horse FOR THEIR SPECIALTY.”

A poor knight, or one of the early Middle Ages, would have “one horse that they’re with all the time;” that horse may not be pretty or come from fancy breeding lines, but they would get the job done and most definitely be taken care of. A wealthy knight of the later Middle Ages, when everything got more expensive and status more codified and finicky, would have two or three horses–one horse for warfare and one for regular riding, with the really wealthy knights having a third packhorse to carry all their stuff. (Moreover, they would have at least one servant to help take care of three horses.)

A muscled sprinter like a destrier is better in tight quarters and for short bursts of speed; to bring in the modern example of a classic/Foundation Quarter Horse, who are ideally “short-legged and low to the ground,” these dudes can literally hit the ground running and reach top speed in a few steps/seconds, so compare that to a sports-car going from zero to sixty miles. The tradeoffs?

1) You need to be able to hang the fuck on… and to avoid getting pitched into a wall/enemy WHEN THEY STOP.

2) That full-throttle gallop will really wear out your horse. A good commander will not bring out their heavy cavalry right away, because you also have to figure out how to get them back from the enemy’s side of the field.

In very simplistic terms, this is one of several problems that the battle of Agincourt had for the French; you had a bunch of hoity-toity noblemen with no proper battle experience who all wanted to do things their own way… and how do medieval noblemen usually want to fight a war? JUST FLOOR IT AND HIT THINGS AS HARD AS YOU CAN.

That went so badly that the recorded death-toll for the French side of Agincourt has been commented as “a roll call for French nobles.”

A destrier would not be suitable for a scout or light-cavalry; they’d need lighter and ground-covering horses to cover rough terrain, and to chase down the enemy for long stretches–akin to a modern-day Thoroughbred. For period pieces they might resemble an Akhal-Teke or “Turkmene” horse. A modern-day Thoroughbred horse can “only” reach forty miles per hour at a gallop, but they can keep that up for a whole mile or longer. So now your knight’s problem is “Hanging on for two or three whole minutes,” and anyone in performing or athletics will explain how long and agonizing a few minutes would feel on a rampaging horse. Have you seen how stacked a racing jockey is? The general consensus I’ve seen from equestrians is that barely anyone in any other horse-discipline is that built.

Meanwhile, an ideal light-cavalry horse would need longer legs for a ground-covering stride, and they may or may not be taller as well; as seen in the Akhal-Teke article, many endurance horses tend to show a lot more ribs and bones than other breeds, due to how lean they are. But think of them less as a dainty riding horse and more like a hunting greyhound/sighthound–all muscle, no fat!

The other type of light-cavalry horse would likely be a pony, used to going for miles on rough terrain, with little if any feed.

EDIT Feb 4, 2024: My post got cut off, so here's the rest of it!

The other type of light-cavalry horse would likely be a pony, used to going for miles on rough terrain, with little if any feed.

A period-accurate scout's horse was known as the Irish hobby, ridden by their eponymous hobelar troops. These little dudes were VERY little and about 12-14 hands high (48-54 inches, or 4 feet tall to bit under five feet tall). They were known to cover 60-70 miles a day in their raids, which my "preindustrial traveling" post notes is the EXTREME upper end of mounted distance travel. Their modern descendant is likely to be the Irish Connemara Pony.

Very wealthy and/or lucky European horsemen could probably manage to buy/steal an Arabian horse, as they remain exceptional endurance horses to this day. However, excessively cold/wet climates will need a lot of upkeep for a desert-bred horse to stay healthy.

While Arabians are known for their adorable "dished faces," this is not actually required! Many well-bred native lines have a regular face (ie, a "straight nose/profile") but they are from well-bred parents and have the capabilities of other Arabians. To the other extreme, you have some modern show/halter lines with REALLY exaggerated heads that hit a lot of people's "Uncanny valley" buttons, and they find it creepy/weird instead of refined. This kind of "seahorse face" would NOT be seen in a period piece.

Notice how the smaller a horse gets, the more ground it can cover? This is partly because size only matters TO AN EXTENT for "how long a horse goes," and partly because of physics! Less weight for a horse to drag around on its own body means more energy for putting miles behind them!

#writing #writing reference #medieval #preindustrial #horse riding #medieval warfare #horses

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faelunez · 3 months ago

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most normal umineko analysis: characters as horse breeds ! 🌝🐴

Battler: Standardbred, Kinzo: Oldenburger, George: Suffolk Punch, Jessica: Halfinger, Natsuhi: Westphalian Horse, Krauss: Lipizzan Horse, Eva: Thoroughbred, Hideyoshi: Norman Cob, Rudolph: Paso Fino, Kyrie: Orlov Trotter, Rosa: Trakehner, Maria: Noma Horse, Genji: Andalusian, Kumasawa: Kladruber horse, Gohda: Groninger, Dr. Nanjo: Percheron, Kanon: Slovak Sport Pony, Shannon: Hucul Pony, Erika: Arabian, Beatrice: Akhal-Teke

#Umineko #✍️ faelunez #Horses #Well-spent hours upon hours FR 😎. Feeling super normal #Some of these feel so obvious while others are more sublte #Like of course Eva: Thoroughbred (racehorse w athleticism/speed + competitive + high-strung)#And Beato (<3) aka the Golden Witch: Akhal-Teke- the hot-blooded and extremely rare metallic-sheen horses #I aimed for breeds that could match everyone in both build/coat color AND personality/skill set 🌝🙏#I love doing this for characters…..#I have paragraphs of explanation for each from when I was talking with a friend about this forever ago #Ask + you shall receive red truths ;D

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too-many0-0fandoms · 11 months ago

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Hello! :)

This is a production of two of my special instrest suddenly getting a common ground in the weird place that is called my mind. So this is;

F1 Drivers as Horse (breeds) (Part 1)

(This is all my own interpretion, please be kind :) It's just for fun)

Max Verstappen

A horse that comes from a troubled background, now with owners that take proper care of him and one of the most successful show jumpers ever :) that’s what I imagine when I think about Max as a horse. And then a KWPN most likely :)

Charles Leclerc

The definition of the ‘different’ horse. Warmblood beauty that everyone in your barn wants with the most unusual coat ever. Comes from one of the best breeders, etc, etc, etc. A lot of warmblood breeds are the same, so pick whatever you like. Likely to compete in eventing, which is dressage, show jumping and cross country because I imagine he looks beautiful but loves hard and tough work.

Lewis Hamilton

Successful racing horse. English Thoroughbred. One of the best racing horses to have ever raced. Close to the likes of Seabiscuit and the others.

Daniel Ricciardo

Our loveable goofball. I know that personality changes per horse, but I just imagine him as a cheery, rescued Brumby horse from the depths of Australia that just loves life and thinks everything is a game but also loves to learn new things.

Nico Hulkenberg

Okay, this is a bit of a stretch~ Butttttt, recently I’ve been seeing some Friesian x Missouri (Fox) Trotter crosses and that’s all I can think about when I think about Nico as a horse :) Definitely a cheeky little bugger that loves to work and play!

Valtteri Bottas

A small, chubby, calm pony/horse with the fullest mane ever that is the fattest in the trotting categories! I imagine a Finnish Horse- Trotter type :)

Logan Sargeant

WTF IS A KILOMETRE> no but seriously, America has a lot of gorgeous breeds and for Logan I imagine an Appaloosa, because they are hard working and honest horses and I just can’t picture him as an quarter :0

Lando Norris

For Lando I imagine this gorgeous, bit smaller yet elegant pony that trots through the arena with pricked ears and a raised tail. Y’know, a bit younger as well, just getting into actual work and just loving it. It just happens that the Welsh Pony – Section B is also from England!

Fernando Alonso

An old hand in the trade. A gorgeous Andalusian/PRE stallion with the longest mane that’s like 17 years old and still competing at top levels with various riders :)

Pierre Gasly & Esteban Ocon

Sorry I had to do these two together because I just had this vivid image of two lovely Norman Cob stallions that are like half-brothers and grew up at the same estate and ended up becoming each other biggest competitors both in competition and in terms of breeding >.<

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pinescent-and-gingerbread · 11 months ago

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Alright people, needing your help once again, for writing purposes!

Which horse do you think fits Arthur the most, canonically? Not your personal favorite, the one a canon Arthur would be the more likely to have.

Considering certain theories, Boadicea was a Hungarian halfbred... But I'm trying to be as canon as possible and searching for what new horse he could have after her during the game's events.

Another one? Feel free to tell me in the comments, and to add the coat color too! I would love to know what you folks picture for him!

Pine🌱

#need your help my beauties #I personally think he would have a quite endurant and big sized horsey #like a shire: a big boah for another big boah #But I love hearing people's thoughts especially my readers #It's for my biggest project yet... Can't wait to tell you more about it one day!#rdr2 #arthur morgan #red dead redemption 2 #ask

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kate-embershield · 1 year ago

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UPDATED HORSE LOCATIONS 3/2024

INCLUDES SELLE

Since neither SSE or Jorvikpedia has the current location for every horse breed, I decided to compile them myself. I'll be looking to Update this whenever a breed gets added, or changes locations.

This is ONLY G3, i'm pretty sure G2-G1 are all at Marleys Vintage Barn, but dont quote me on that, I was only looking for G3's

If i'm missing any locations or breeds, please tell me so I can add them.

Harvest Counties

Jorvik stables - Lipizzaner, Friesian Goldspur mill - Arabian, Pintabian New Hillcrest - Akhal-teke, Curly, Icelandic, Marwari Crescent moon Village - Knabstrupper, Jorvik warmblood

Goldenleaf

Belgian Warmblood Trakehner

Silverglade

Silverglade manor - Dutch warmblood, Andalusian, English thoroughbred, Lusitano, Selle Francais Marleys Farm - Percheron Steves farm - Dartmoor pony, Paso Fino, Shire

Moorland

Ardennes American paint Dartmoor pony Arabian Dutch warmblood Icelandic Lipizzaner Mustang Paso Fino Shire

Selle Francais

Fort Pinta

Haflinger Jorvik starter pony Galaxy Embermane

Valedale

Ardennes Irish cob Fjord Tynan Phoebe

Firgrove

Morgan Finnhorse Tennessee walker

Starshine Ranch

American Paint American Quarter Appaloosa Mustang

Mistfall

Dundull - Clydesdale, Connemara, North Swedish Redwood Point - Jorvik wild

South Hoof Farm

Chincoteague pony Gotland pony

#sso #star stable #star stable online #star stable horse #ssoblr

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skywitchmaja · 1 year ago

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horse girl era

inspo (along with other Reddit posts and a stupid amount of horse research)

Rarity and Sweetie Belle as grey lipizzans mostly because I thought it was cool that they’re born black and turn white as they get older, and they seem fancy and elegant and I think it suits them. I imagine sweetie belle would be a pale dapple grey when she gets older.

Pinkie Pie as a Romani cob/haflinger cross (which I misspelled on the image oops) because I wanted her to have some resemblance to applejack because they’re related, but I also thought she should be pony-ish with a fluffy mane and tail and slightly off putting pale blue eyes. also bc of friendship is witchcraft.

fluttershy as palomino selle francais because I had to keep her buttery yellow color and because “French haute couture please”. and I think having her as a gaited walking horse is a good counterpoint to rainbow as a race horse.

Applejack and apple bloom as Appaloosa draft crosses bc I couldn’t decide between Appaloosa patterns (and puns) and that sturdy draft build

Rainbow dash as a thoroughbred (which I also misspelled. damn.) bc fast. and dapple because it looks like rain and clouds

Scootaloo as a red dun quarter horse because they’re not as fast as thoroughbreds or other race horses but they’re popular for barrel racing and western trick stuff, which suits her scooter stunts I think. Also I couldn’t not have a quarter horse in the mix.

Twilight as a bay Arabian because they’re fancy/aristocratic. I also thought about barb or Andalusian but I couldn’t resist the distinctive silhouette

#mlp #as real horses!#yeah I learned so many types of horses for this it took a while to narrow it down. research rabbit hole you know how it is #twilight sparkle #rainbow dash #rarity #fluttershy #applejack #pinkie pie #scootaloo #apple bloom #sweetie belle #mlp redesign #fluttershy is the one I’m most eh about I think I should’ve done a layer of white under her coat idk

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shortfeather · 1 year ago

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beneath the cut is a frankly silly amount of horse breed and hermits discussion

Bdubs: thoroughbreds, for obvious racing reasons

Cub: Lipizzaners, because he's intense and talented enough to handle one to its full potential, and also he wouldn't settle for less. also he deserves a war horse breed

Etho: American Saddlebred - descended from thoroughbreds (as a little nod to him working w Bdubs on horse breeding), very chill temperaments but also can have fun with the best of them, possibly the most famous American breed? Not most popular, most famous

Hypno: Arabian. I don't have an explanation for this one. I really don't. I just know it somehow

Impulse: Appaloosa!! It's got the spots and while it's not the most impressive horse on the server, it's very versatile, and he's mostly using it for trail riding anyways which Appaloosas are very good for

Iskall: Mustangs. He keeps finding random horses and then they disappear on him? Mustang lifestyle for SURE, between the feral herds and the roundups.

Jevin: OLDENBURG OLDENBURG OLDENBURG. He loves that horse and it's a GREAT jumper of course it's an Oldenburg (I'm not biased why do you ask)

Keralis: his first horse was a Welsh Cob for the attitude it gave him but now he's breeding Holsteiners (one of the top jumping breeds in the international community)

Pearl: Does she have a horse or just a pair of donkeys?? I don't know donkeys.

Scar: Morgan horse. Very easy horses to manage even in uncontrolled environments like, say, going off-trail to try and rope a creeper.

Stress: American Quarter Horse, very good stock horses (farm/ranch horses) who are in my experience very friendly and silly. And being primarily bred for stock doesn't preclude them from kicking ass in the ring when they're used to show!

Tango: Belgian Draught. Cogsworth just cannot be a name for anything other than a draft breed, and he needs one properly impressive enough to match his build. So, Belgian!

Wels: ...well, he stole Iskall's, and Iskall's is a mustang, so... XD Though if he had his own, it would absolutely be an Andalusian to match his aesthetic.

Xisuma: Azteca, to match his build! Also one of the prettiest horse breeds I've given a hermit thus far, and frankly he deserves that.

ZombieCleo: a Friesian, because they fucking deserve the picture that paints. Maybe even a Friesian-Percheron cross for the extra intimidation the height and muscularity gives them. Please just look up a Friesian and imagine them on one. It's PERFECT

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satureja13 · 2 years ago

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And while they didn't manage to give the horses different heights ingame, they have disturbingly wrong different heights in the households menu ...

fltr/height in hands Galineers Cob (14,3), Friesian (15,2), Clydesdale (17), Nokota (14), Andalusian (15,5), Barb (14,2)

These are the original ingame breeds, I did not change their form. So none of the other horses should be taller than the brown one (3rd from left) and the white and the black horse should be around the same height and the horse to the far right shouldn't be smaller that the one on the left

That looks so stupid because ingame they are all the same height... And while the horse to the left looks like a pony, the horse to the right just looks like a horse with too short legs ö.Ö'

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jorvik-fashion · 2 years ago

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Tags Masterpost

Revelent tags will be under ‘keep reading’. Use the tags to find what you looking for.

General tags:

Character Outfit, Horse Gear, Normal Horse Breeds, Magical Horse Breeds Asks

Outfit Styles:

I have not been that good at remember tagging styles. So these tags are lacking

Casual, Show - Dressage/ jumping Fancy, Season (Spring/Summer/Autumn/Winter) Holiday (Easter/Midsummer/Halloween/Christmas/New Year), Color, Fantasy, Cosplays, Events - Full outfits that can be get during events Western Adventure Pride

Coat Colors (simple):

These tags are what an un-horse person would call a coat. If you looking for a specefic coat color, I use Jorvikpedia to tag horses coat. Search for the same coat thats mentioned on that site to find it here.

Brown (Dark brown/Light brown), Black, Grey(Dark grey/Light Grey, White, White and Black, White and Brown, White and Grey Spotted

Horse Breeds:

Regular:

Akhal-Teke, American Paint Horse, American Saddlebred, American Quarter Horse, Andalusian, Appaloosa, Arabian Thoroughbred, Ardennes, Belgian Warmblood, Criollo, Curly Horse, Danish Warmblood, Dutch Warmblood, English Thoroughbred, Finnhorse, Hanoverian, Icelandic Horse, Jorvik Warmblood, Knabstrupper, Lipizzaner, Lustiano, Marwari, Morab, Morgan, Mule, Mustang, Oldensburg, Paso Fino, Pintabian, Selle Francais, Tennessee Walking Horse, Trakehner, Westphalian

Ponies: Chincoteague Pony, Connemara, Dartmoor pony, Gotland pony, Jorvik Pony, Welsh pony

Draft: Ardennes, Clydesdale, Finnhorse, Fjord, Friesian Horse, Friesian Sport Horse, Haflinger, Irish Cob, Jorvik Wild Horse, Noriker, North Swedish Horse, Percheron, Rune Runner, Ryume, Shire

Magical breeds: Aldrach, Alvirah, Antheia, Audra, Ayla, Barkhart, Birkir, Bolt, Brinicle, Bronte, Calder, Calliope, Dorcha, Duskgrim, Earik, Ephyra, Erinys, Faramawr, Fawncy, Hanami, Heidrun, Hemera, Hjortensia, Kampos, Kátur, Keima, Laverna, Lebkuchen, Nemain, Nixie, Pepita, Petra, Phoebe, Prisma, Proteus, Sedna, Serenus, Shadowshield, Snowdancer, Solas, Songsorrow, Sylvan Unicorn, Tellina, Tenebri, Tombhoof, Tynan, Umbra, Vega, Vetle, Whinefell, Woodear, Zony

Outfit Contests:

All Rules, Information, Photo Guide Extra photo guide Schedule Submissions Polls Winners

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jadevine · 2 years ago

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Just adding some Medieval Horse tidbits because I love how people mentioned that realistic archery needs strength! Archers were so stacked that it affected their skeletons, and most modern people can tell if someone does archery depending on how great their back/shoulder muscles are.

As for a Long Post ahead, my rambling is going to be about Realistic Medieval Warhorses, and touching on Medieval Warfare!

First of all: DESTRIERS WERE NOT DRAFT HORSES. Horse/military historians are begging people to stop putting their fantasy knights on Shires, Belgians, and other massive, chunky farm-horses! The best known instance of "a knight needs to get lifted onto their 18-hand draft horse" is a SATIRE (A Yankee in King Arthur's Court, if I remember right), but somehow laymen decided to take it seriously.

Hell, I think the film's historians knew that this was extremely inaccurate and begged the director not to do it.

For the purposes of this post, I will not get into the different TYPES OF WARHORSES. That is a hyper-fixation for another day, lol.

First problem with "Draft horses as warhorses:"

The bulk of modern-day "breeds" are far too recent for a medieval or medieval-fantasy story. Modern horse "breeds" began around the 1700s-1800s, so that's in the EXTREMELY late-medieval/early-modern period. Before that, most medieval horses were referred to by "TYPE/PURPOSE" and maybe a "Country/Region." "Spanish/Iberian horses" (the ancestors of modern-day Andalusians, Carthusians, and Lusitanos) were overwhelmingly popular for combat, and other baroque horses were also esteemed.

Destriers are physically average-height at 15 hands high, but the important part is that they are STACKED at 1200-1300lbs when most 15-hand horses are only 900-1000lbs, so that's a quarter to a third more weight in muscle.

And remember, muscle will not make a given horse look "chubby!" Good ways to get across a warhorse's muscles in writing is 1) how ROCK SOLID they are when you touch them, 2) their chiseled shoulders, necks, and butts, and 2) when they get into motion, especially for a fight, their muscles will flex and get REALLY defined. The three regions I mentioned are usually the most visible if they've got horse tack or a rider on them.

Think of the difference between "regular horse" and "destrier" as "regular Tom Hardy, who looks fit but normal," versus "Tom Hardy playing Bane, where he put on thirty pounds and his torso and arms look like a fucking tree-trunk."

Warhorses had nerves of steel, and the best-trained warhorses used could sprint and turn on a dime--they've been called "the sports cars of the medieval world." This is a far cry from huge, sweet, and lumbering draft horses.

But if the destrier was supposed to be the horse equivalent of "Tom Hardy as Bane" and not "The Mountain from Game of Thrones," then how could they carry a knight's armor as well as their own?

First of all, human combat armor is different from JOUSTING armor and it is easily half the weight for better mobility. Warhorses from proper medieval times aren't shown wearing much horse-armor, even in jousting. The stuff you see in museums is also frequently the custom-made armor for wealthy nobles, who either 1) wore it once or twice a year for public celebrations, which is also why the armor's in pristine condition instead of dented and bloody like combat armor would be, or 2) wore it because they were rich enough to not want themselves OR their expensive horses to die too soon in combat.

Assuming that all destriers needed to carry 150lbs for an adult armored man, PLUS another 150lbs of the horse's riding tack and armor, is like people from the years 2500-3000 assuming that everyone with a "car" must have a Lamborghini or a Ferrari that takes up a lot of maintenance (if you want to keep it looking nice, at least) and can go 200 miles per hour.

So the vast majority of realistic warhorses/destriers didn't get much if any armor, because 1) horse-armor is for princes and dukes, not Count Whoever's third son or his nephew that he tossed out on adulthood with barely any money, and 2) horse-armor is going to weigh down your FAST and NIMBLE warhorse. (Remember: Knights wanted sports cars, not tanks!) Take a look at the horses and knights of the website called "Destrier!" Most horses there aren't notably tall, and they mostly wear head-armor and fancy but not heavy horse-tack like capes, instead of full barding.

Another reason average/short warhorses were preferred is for medieval safety issues: You wanted to mount your horse from the ground without help. The famous knight Jean Le Maingre was so dedicated to fighting that he could VAULT onto his horse in armor, without touching the stirrups. His instructions are, essentially, "put on your armor, find your horse, put your hands on the horse's back/saddle, and FUCKING JUMP."

Unless you're seven feet tall or a gymnast, you're not jumping onto an 18-hand draft horse.

So all those Red Dead Redemption animations where you get to alley-oop your way onto your loyal steed? POSSIBLE, IF YOU ARE CRAZY/ANGRY ENOUGH.

Quick note: In ancient Ireland, they refer to a "steed-leap" that nobles, warriors, and other "people rich enough to own RIDING horses" were trained to use--with the important distinction that Gaelic nobles often took pride in either using saddles without stirrups, or NOT USING SADDLES TO PUT ANY STIRRUPS ON. So the bulk of Gaelic Irish nobles could theoretically go Red Dead Redemption on your ass.

And the third reason most combat-ready warhorses didn't get armor is because infantry (the vast majority of most medieval armies) just had a low chance of hitting them in the first place.

First of all, most horses are already faster than people. Destriers were EXCEPTIONALLY fast as the cream of the crop. For the horse to need armor, someone needs a good chance of hitting the horse.

Second, most horses are hard to kill physically because horses don't tend to like getting stabbed or shot at, so they will likely try to kill YOU, which means that a knight and his horse are TWO fighters who are both very angry and very protective of each other. Most people love their horses, and many combatants share intense bonds! IMAGINE IF YOUR HORSE IS ALSO YOUR SQUAD-MATE!

And last of all, most horses are hard to kill mentally because when you want to use cavalry, you ALSO want the other side's infantry to get consumed by panic and bolt for their lives, away from their companions and AWAY FROM THE CHARGING HORSES. (Which routinely leads to a slaughter, often called a "rout" in period literature, or a "curb-stomp battle" on TV Tropes.) While most knights could dish out one-on-one duels against EACH OTHER, a knight against a foot-soldier is going to have a huge and explicitly unfair advantage if the soldier is not specifically trained and equipped to take them on.

See, when you get a herd of knights on their steeds, the noise and the wave of horseflesh charging at you is going to make your reptile-brain instincts scream "NOPE NOPE NOPE, WE GOTTA GO!!!"

That instinct is so strong that infantry ACTORS in movies--who know that this is not a real war, and the riders don't actually want to kill them--still routinely break formation and run.

It was possible to stop cavalry with infantry and end up slaughtering them instead of getting routed--it was just extremely notable.

Also, unless you're specifically going for blood: You don't WANT to slaughter a whole formation of knights! That means you've just pissed away a WHOLE lot of money that the knights represent!

You killed the horses that you could have used for your own side, and possibly bred for more high-end horses! You ruined the armor that you could have used for your own side, or at least melted down for high-quality, already-mined metal! You killed the knights that you could have sweetened up and used for your own side--or more likely, told their families to pay you if they wanted them home intact.

Barely anyone remembers that knights were as good for HOSTAGES as they were for actually fighting. (Except for Game of Thrones, and it's still only plot-relevant for Jaime Lannister and Theon Greyjoy, and they explicitly did NOT get the protection a noble hostage should have.) It's noted that Agincourt was a GREAT ending for England because capturing all those French nobles earned them TWENTY YEARS' WORTH of regular income in ransoms. If they hadn't won and gotten all that sweet, sweet French money, they would have been bankrupted and depopulated instead.

Two more strikes I'd feel are appropriate for "not wanting draft-type horses in combat:"

-Logistics 1: Too much food, too much hassle. Horses are already notorious for eating a lot, and a DRAFT horse that's 2000lbs instead of 1200lbs will eat twice as much. No army wants to use their fodder for only half the number of horses they'd expect.

-Logistics 2: Too much hair, too much hassle. Shires and other British horses often have feathering on their legs, and anyone with long hair knows that loose hair/fur is a fucking PAIN. You can braid a horse's mane and tail, but if you're one of the many average/poor knights who DON'T have servants to take care of your horse for you, do you want to spend extra time cleaning and combing out your horse's LEGS instead of necessary things? Like feeding them, grooming them, and checking for wounds? Nope, you'll probably shave the feathering off or just pick a horse that doesn't have it.

-Extra note on Friesian horses, who are RIDICULOUSLY common in "medieval" movies: Friesian horses are technically baroque horses in body form (Strong-boned! Big necks and butts!), but they're also over-used in general, so most horse folks are sick of seeing them in movies. And if you don't have the right kind of MODERN Friesian, you'll probably be a laughingstock in addition to an eye-roll.

Some strains of modern Friesians are from carriage-horse lines, often referred to as "big movers." This means "fun to LOOK AT, but terrible to RIDE." Because, you know, those strains of Friesians weren't meant for riding, but for PULLING CARRIAGES. Their movements are big, dramatic, and flashy... and their trot is notorious for bouncing people out of the saddle with every step. Not something you want for a knight who fills his opponents with terror.

A good riding horse's movements are usually smooth and low to the ground, often described as "floating" and "effortless."

A horse-note that I can't figure out where to put: Many Western cultures love the idea of fiery stallions (intact male horses) for their noble knights and kings to ride into battle on, but realistically, stallions are only half of a given horse population. Many Western stallions are also gelded if they're not the cream of the crop (which is probably at least the bottom half of the male horse population). So mares can be used by at least half of a realistic formation who just wants a warhorse, and doesn't care about aesthetics or masculinity.

Also, mares can be ruthless and stallions can be nervous wrecks! Horses are living creatures, with personalities and feelings!

Horses also aren't very sexually dimorphic, so a 1200lb war mare is DEFINITELY a match for a 1300lb war stallion. And remember how Loras Tyrell used a mare in heat to distract The Mountain's stallion? That happens with a lot of stallions... almost like they're living creatures, with instincts that they can't always control! So if you know when your girl is ready to go every month, you can play dirty in a joust, too!

Just remember that you're taking an equal risk, since your mare will possibly try to let a stallion mount her instead of fighting. You will either need to bail when she starts making googly-eyes, or you need to know you have ABSOLUTE loyalty from her, and she will listen to YOU instead of "the hot dude I just met five minutes ago!" HORSES ARE LIVING CREATURES, WITH INSTINCTS THAT THEY CAN'T ALWAYS CONTROL.

Then geldings will be used by at least another quarter of "the knights who cannot afford a horse good enough to keep his testicles," so that leaves "a quarter or less" of knights who can realistically be mounted on stallions.

WORSE NEWS: If you geld a stallion too late (usually once they're MOSTLY physically mature at 4-5 years old), that risk may never go away--so you've got a gelding who's not breeding quality, but he's still chasing mares in heat and fighting other stallions in turf battles, without understanding that he can no longer make babies!

On the other hand, some cultures don't geld stallions because they view it as unnecessary or outright unnatural... but they also don't want half the horse population distracted by pretty mares, or fighting with other stallions who walk by the pasture, so those cultures breed them to be sweet and easily managed (outside of battle, at least).

In short: ALL HORSES HAVE POTENTIAL TO BE WARHORSES, WHETHER THEY HAVE BALLS OR NOT.

Helpful things for action writers to remember

Sticking a landing will royally fuck up your joints and possibly shatter your ankles, depending on how high you’re jumping/falling from. There’s a very good reason free-runners dive and roll.

Hand-to-hand fights usually only last a matter of seconds, sometimes a few minutes. It’s exhausting work and unless you have a lot of training and history with hand-to-hand combat, you’re going to tire out really fast.

Arrows are very effective and you can’t just yank them out without doing a lot of damage. Most of the time the head of the arrow will break off inside the body if you try pulling it out, and arrows are built to pierce deep. An arrow wound demands medical attention.

Throwing your opponent across the room is really not all that smart. You’re giving them the chance to get up and run away. Unless you’re trying to put distance between you so you can shoot them or something, don’t throw them.

Everyone has something called a “flinch response” when they fight. This is pretty much the brain’s way of telling you “get the fuck out of here or we’re gonna die.” Experienced fighters have trained to suppress this. Think about how long your character has been fighting. A character in a fist fight for the first time is going to take a few hits before their survival instinct kicks in and they start hitting back. A character in a fist fight for the eighth time that week is going to respond a little differently.

ADRENALINE WORKS AGAINST YOU WHEN YOU FIGHT. THIS IS IMPORTANT. A lot of times people think that adrenaline will kick in and give you some badass fighting skills, but it’s actually the opposite. Adrenaline is what tires you out in a battle and it also affects the fighter’s efficacy - meaning it makes them shaky and inaccurate, and overall they lose about 60% of their fighting skill because their brain is focusing on not dying. Adrenaline keeps you alive, it doesn’t give you the skill to pull off a perfect roundhouse kick to the opponent’s face.

Swords WILL bend or break if you hit something hard enough. They also dull easily and take a lot of maintenance. In reality, someone who fights with a sword would have to have to repair or replace it constantly.

Fights get messy. There’s blood and sweat everywhere, and that will make it hard to hold your weapon or get a good grip on someone.

A serious battle also smells horrible. There’s lots of sweat, but also the smell of urine and feces. After someone dies, their bowels and bladder empty. There might also be some questionable things on the ground which can be very psychologically traumatizing. Remember to think about all of the character’s senses when they’re in a fight. Everything WILL affect them in some way.

If your sword is sharpened down to a fine edge, the rest of the blade can’t go through the cut you make. You’ll just end up putting a tiny, shallow scratch in the surface of whatever you strike, and you could probably break your sword.

ARCHERS ARE STRONG TOO. Have you ever drawn a bow? It takes a lot of strength, especially when you’re shooting a bow with a higher draw weight. Draw weight basically means “the amount of force you have to use to pull this sucker back enough to fire it.” To give you an idea of how that works, here’s a helpful link to tell you about finding bow sizes and draw weights for your characters. (CLICK ME)

If an archer has to use a bow they’re not used to, it will probably throw them off a little until they’ve done a few practice shots with it and figured out its draw weight and stability.

People bleed. If they get punched in the face, they’ll probably get a bloody nose. If they get stabbed or cut somehow, they’ll bleed accordingly. And if they’ve been fighting for a while, they’ve got a LOT of blood rushing around to provide them with oxygen. They’re going to bleed a lot.

Here’s a link to a chart to show you how much blood a person can lose without dying. (CLICK ME)

If you want a more in-depth medical chart, try this one. (CLICK ME)

Hopefully this helps someone out there. If you reblog, feel free to add more tips for writers or correct anything I’ve gotten wrong here.

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