#anne lister: sex life

[chaoticloving]

Yacht

Harry styles x actress!reader

Summary: Harry worries something is wrong during a family trip to Italy, turns out your just horny

Warning: sex to get pregnant lol

Italy, it was always Italy.

As two high profile A-listers, Harry Styles and Y/n Y/L/N-Styles could never go anywhere without being caught. Once in the car, another in the street, and of course at concerts and premieres.

Vacation was another highly intense time for the couple, but it was only amped up to the max because of the Love on Tour's ending.

The night of the final show, Harry had his wife, mum, and sister in his dressing room. As the tour has lasted literal years, he figured he owed everyone some sort of gift: gift giving was his love language. He got the lovely couple of the band, Sarah and Mitch, and the little love-bug, a couple of odd-ball things he knew they would all like. He got similar items for the rest of the crew, personalizing them for the recipient.

His wife though, along with his mum and sister, he believed were owed some time with him. Call him selfish but Harry really did miss being with his family, and it was clear from the thousands of messages and voicemails that they all missed him deeply too. So he figured, why not Italy?

Italy is his go to place for relaxing, despite the constant paparazzi, it was quite peaceful when out in the water or in his shared home. Not only that, but his mother truly adores the country and the history; he feels he owes it to her for putting up with all of his shenanigans when he was younger, he knows he wasn't as easy as Gemma was, and stardom really did exacerbate it. But he's better now--Y/n has whipped him into shape--and he's wealthy enough to go to Italy as much as Anne wants.

Gemma just loves the opportunity to gossip with Y/n, along with the chance to sun bathe on the yacht. She was a simple person to please, and would be appreciative for a coffee and croissant.

Y/n, though, his love, isn't one that can be shown love to through gifts, at least expensive gifts. Her net worth is the same as his, but beside all of that, she is extermly picky about what she wants. All of her brithday gifts are something she specifically told Harry, from brand to color, nothing was left for interpretation.

He thought the vaction would be good though. Y/n likes the quality time between them, how they could just be themselves with nothing stopping them.

The yacht was a perfect hit though. Anne and Gemma both loved the salty breeze of the mederterain sea, but he didn't think it was enough for Y/n. He needed something that was more of a wow factor.

Harry was nervous, biting his nails as he took Y/n down to the docks for a midnight boat outing. He planned this a bit ago, but now was second guessing the whole ordeal.

"I love the smell of Italy." Harry said, holding his hand with his wife. "Something about it...just isn’t it perfect?"

"Is it the cigarette smoke?" Y/n joked, sneaking a quick peak at the corner of Harry's mouth. "Why are you taking me to the docks?"

Harry cleared his throat. "A midnight trip since I wanted some one on one time with you."

They had reached the docks by now, and were slowly getting on. He felt Y/n's hands get tighter around his hand, squeezing every now and then while the life guard was untying the rope connecting the yacht.

Harry looked over to his wife, watching her to make sure she was enjoying herself. She was looking beautiful, hair down while her face was pointed up, looking at the night sky's stars. Her outfit was loose, a simple dress that she threw on after showering to get the sea off of her. It was one he picked out long ago, around their 6 month anniversary, and it was still beautiful.

Her wedding ring completed the look though.

A beautiful antique ring, one that looked as though it was carefully preserved throughout history, looked ethereal on her.

"Hey H?"

Her voice was beautiful too. It was no kidding she was a movie star, her voice draws you in and cages you so you could never leave--not that Harry would want to.

"Yes, Love?"

"You're staring."

Harry blinked, not what he was hoping she would say. He hates to be called out.

"Just wanting to make sure you're happy." He shrugged. "I love you s'much, and I want to give you the perfect gift."

Y/n smiled, a warming one that made Harry's legs feel like jelly. She could never get over the love she felt from Harry, his passtion ratiating from him at all times was truly sickening to the loveless.

"Harry, I love this trip." She brushed her hand through his hair. "Everything you do makes me happy."

"But, earlier, on the yacht you seemed...off."

Y/n bit her lip, looking down to the sea beside them. She didn't mean for Harry to feel disappointed in himself, but she knew exactly what caused it.

"I just had a lot on my mind..." She said, not giving much up which Harry was not happy with.

"Penny for your thoughts?"

"I ran out of my birth control about a couple weeks ago, and my hormones are really messing with me." She said, hoping he would get the hint.

"So you're horny?" Harry laughed, a boy-ish grin forming on his face. "I can deal with that."

Y/n laughed and pushed his kissing face away from her neck. "Yes, but since I haven't been on birth control in a few weeks, my doctor thinks I could get pregnant."

Harry's jaw dropped, which then formed into another smile, this time one of excitement and hornieness. "So, you mean...we could start trying for a baby?"

Y/n just nodded. Harry put his hands on her face and kissed her. Her hands moved from his hair down his arms then under his shirt. Harry, bless his soul, was a little nervous to move his hand down, but when Y/n broke apart this kiss so she could strip out of her dress he had no problems.

Harry followed and took off the white shirt he was wearing before, alog with his pants. He got pushed down to a long cooler seat. Y/n strattled his hips and startedkissing him more. Harry started to trickle down to her neck, leaving a hicky closer to her boobs so no one could see. He loved the moans coming out of his love, the way he knew she was feeling good was getting himjust as turned on.

"You were horny." Harry snickered, getting back to work soon after. “Sitting on the yacht; you knew I’d fuck you if you asked.”

"I would've done something about it if my in laws weren't in the vicinity."

"My bad." Harry said, but it was half hearted as now he just really didn’t care.

The conversation didn't last long, soon enough Harry's boxers were off and Y/n bra and panties were somewhere else on the boat. "You sure? I got a condom somewhere."

"If I wasn't sure I wouldn't be off the pill." She reminded him. "What about you?"

"I've wanted a kid ever since you said 'I do'." They kissed, softly now, but Y/n soon sat on Harry's hard cock and they both moaned in ecstasy.

Harry was a little shocked to be honest, rarly they have sex without any foreplay or lube, and he doesn't think he's ever felt her so wet--he had to make sure not to cum too prematurely.

Y/n was focused on Harry and her breathing. Sex felt different now knowing they are activly trying for a child, she knows Harry's dick is the same, but something about it just made it better.

She begain to bounce, Harry's arms coming up to squeeze her boob while the other grabbed her ass. He positioned his legs and pushed up into her, again, again, and again. The repative motion was made all the diffference by one of his hands coming down to her clit to make her feelmore pleasure. She gapsed when he pintched her clit, mouth then forming a smile as he looked down to Harry's.

"Babe, I think-I think I'm gonna come." Harry groaned. "I wanna get you pregnant and it so fuckin' hot--come with me. Are you close?"

His voice was fast passed, he rushed through his words as he tried to hold off from coming. Y/n was feeling the same way though; the love, the passtion, and the idea of being pregnant was too much.

"Har, I'm about to." She groaned as Harry's hips shot up in a more paniced order. He felt crazy, moaning and looking just at her made him want to exploed. "Come with me."

Her voice trailed off and turned into a moan as Harry came inside her, no protection. It felt like heaven to the both of them, forgetting the sweat that clang to their bodies.

"I love you." Harry whispered. She was still on his dick, just collasped over him now, but she knew he said it out of love. Sex changed after marriage or after any new step within a marriage; after marriage was so loving, and they had a sense of understanding that truly could be sourced from empaths.

"I love you too." She whispered back. Giving one small kiss to his lips.

"If you get pregnant, I don't know how I'm going to top that gift." Harry jokingly sighed.

"Hm, you could give me another one." She chided. "I want a bunch of Styles babies."

"I'll love any amount of kids you want." Harry decided. "Even if its twenty."

She laughed. "No way am I going to carry twenty, maybe we'll just get some pets."

"What happened to a whole bunch?"

"Only if they're just like their daddy."

"Damn, I only wanted them if they're just like their mummy." Harry joked being distrought, groaing with faux aggrivation.

"Maybe they'll have the best of us."

"My beauty, and your personality." Harry joked, which Y/n didn't like so she jokingly shuved him. "Maybe not your personality."

[newhistorybooks]

"Anne Lister was an aristocratic woman who embraced her masculinity, flirted and more with women in her orbit and kept coded diaries her whole life. These diaries are long overdue for sustained analysis. This collection of essays promises to remedy what has been an overlooked treasure trove of information about sex and intimacies between elite women in the late 18th and early 19th centuries and they decode the life, the loves, the genders and the social worlds of the inventive and marvelous Anne Lister."

[unapologeticallygay]

Anne Lister, the lesbian diarist dubbed "the first modern lesbian"

L by Joshua Horner (c 1830), R by Mrs. Turner of Halifax (c 1822)

Anne Lister lived from April 3, 1791 - September 22, 1840. She was an independent landowner from England who was noted to always be dressed in black and not partaking in typical femininity. She became well known after her death when her diaries were discovered and decoded. The diaries were written from age 15 until her death, parts written in code, and detailed her history of attraction and relationships with women.

“Burnt Mr Montague’s farewell verses that no trace of any man’s admiration may remain. It is not meet [meant] for me. I love and only love the fairer sex and thus beloved by them in turn my heart revolts from any other love than theirs” 29 Jan 1821 – written in Anne’s journal [reference SH:7/ML/E:4]

She did not appear to be ashamed of her sexuality as she would openly court women she was interested in and had many lovers. Her first love was a pupil and roomate at the Manor School in York when she was 15, Eliza Raine. It was with Eliza that she developed the code she would use in her diaries to write notes back and forth with. The first entry in Anne's diary was "Eliza left us." Her second named lover was Isabella Norcliffe and she remained an occasional lover through the remainder of her life but rejected her as life partner, perhaps because of disagreeing with Isabella's drinking. Isabella then introduced Anne to the woman that would become the love of Anne's life, Mariana Belcombe. Mariana married a man even though it upset Anne but they continued their affair for a while after. She eventually told Anne that she was ashamed to be seen with her due to her masculinity and they parted ways. Mariana would later try to get Anne back when Anne inherited a large amount of money and the Shibden Hall but she rejected her. She went on to marry (as a church blessing, not legally recognized) Ann Walker because she met her social standing. This would be the first gay marriage in England. Anne passed away six years after their marriage.

Her wearing all black everyday was a public statement to others of her being different, as at the time young unmarried women typically wore white or lighter colours while black was reserved for mourning. Men would yell and shout at her things like "are you a man or a woman?" and would follow her when she was in public. Because of her looks her nickname from the public was "Gentleman Jack". She largely didn't respect men as she believed to be more educated than most who only studied one subject.

“I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say that I am like no one in the whole world” 20 Aug 1823 – written in Anne’s journal quoting Rousseau [reference SH:7/ML/E/7]

Anne was adventurous and liked to travel. She was the first woman to ascend Mount Perdu and the first person ever to ascend Mount Vignemale. At the time conventions called for women not to travel alone, they had to at least have a male companion to protect them. She did not abide by this and often travelled alone and later on with her wife. It was during her and her wife's visit to Russia that she was bit by an insect and succumbed to fever. She was 49.

Her diaries were originally first found by a relative of hers, John Lister, in 1890 but because John was also gay and feared his sexuality being found out if he broadcast her diaries, he reburied them. Later they would be found and translated in 1983 by historian Helene Whitbread. A section of her diaries remain lost.

"Writing my journal has amused & done me good. I seemed to have opened my heart to an old friend. I can tell my journal what I can tell none else." From Anne Lister’s journal entry of 16th September 1823.

Sources

https://www.annelister.co.uk/

https://museums.calderdale.gov.uk/famous-figures/anne-lister

[m3r1m4r5u333]

A quick question - how aren't we totally feral about the scene where Buck talks with his doctor about life after a near death experience - and the doctor comments that for some reason many want to go to Italy.

You all know that going to italy is an euphemism, right? A queer one. It's code for a (gay) sexual relationship/gay sex, okay? Anne Lister (kinda known as the first modern lesbian) wrote about "going to Italy" in her very lesbian diaries.

And Buck is like "That's one place I've never been 😄...🤔"

[incorrect-gentleman-jack]

*after Marian gets an invitation to a party*

Anne Lister: There's three momentous firsts in a young woman's life: a party, drinking, and sex. As your big sister, I was prepared to teach you about all of those things. But at least there's still drinking. And sex.

Marian Lister: Mm, I think the way I do it might be different from the way you do it.

[crownspeaksblog]

If marianas only concern is money then i feel like she'd have moved in with anne when she inherited shibden but she didn't.. living with anne was always a last resort after her husband died and i honestly don't believe if she would have moved to shibden after Charles died because she always thought she'll have his brother to take care of her.

I don't think mariana could handle living in shibden and have to witness people talk about her and whisper whenever she's with anne and i doubt she wants to live this kind of life no matter how much she might love anne.. a woman dressing and acting like anne lister and being a woman who lives with anne is probably the closest thing to being openly out in that time..

I think mariana wants anne to stay relatively "single" so they'd only spend time together few times a year.. i think mariana likes the arrangement they had of seeing and traveling with anne for a short period of time each year and then going back to her life.

So this notion that mariana is annes one true love is stupid.. how much love does a person still have for someone they only see a couple of times a year and they spend alot of that time arguing and having sex.. like marianas brother said.. too much water has passed under that bridge.

Their relationship (as we see in the show) is familiar.. mariana is the ex anne goes to when there's no one else that'll have her and anne is the person that mariana goes to for a change of scenery and routine (and good sex)..

And here's the thing i don't hate mariana for not being able to be with anne full time, i don't hate her not wanting people to talk and whisper rumors about her and anne.. i don't hate or blame her for not being able to live like this but also i don't like her.. i get her, i sympathize with her but i don't like her and i most definitely hate the way she's treated anne and what she put her through for 20 years.

So tell me how and why am i supposed to believe that mariana is not "the other woman" and that her and annes relationship is anything other than mutual familiarity..

[beca-mitchell]

also it’s bridgerton so logic doesn’t really apply. but I would assume most bisexuals back in the day would almost always end up with the opposite sex just because it’s what was accepted. like I love that they’re exploring bisexuality with benedict, but i’m nearly certain he’ll still end up with sophie. I think if francesca is going to end up with michaela, it’d make the most sense for her to be a lesbian. but again, it’s bridgerton! anything goes

Ooh haha this is true, re: the Bridgerton logic (or lack thereof)

I actually want to do a deep dive into the politics and history of queerness in the 1800s (and of course queerness in high society) because we already know we have Anne Lister in the early 1800s (hello Gentleman Jack) and even just looking at a really high level overview of LGBT history in the UK, the 17th - 19th centuries were filled with so many interesting people.

Jess Brownell talked a little bit about what has already been carved out as acceptable vs. not in Bridgerton (i.e. the alternative histories re: race, inclusion, and how it was implied it was still not acceptable for men to be romantically and sexually linked), saying there is a lot of history and research that is going into their upcoming season. So I also am very interested in seeing how they tackle Francesca coming to terms w/ her sexuality. I think how I'm seeing it is that I have people in my life who realized they were bisexual while still with their long term partners of the opposite sex and it didn't change/alter their long-term relationship, but instead just helped them decode their lived experiences through this new lens and a deeper understanding of who they are as people. That being said, it does seem like Michaela will be Francesca's endgame and I'm excited to see how they tackle it.

I know Sophie is a book favorite and I think I agree w/ you that they might allow Benedict the opportunity to explore his free spiritedness a bit more before letting his book-canon endgame come to the fore.

[abovebelowalexandrailieva]

Timeline of LGBT history in the United Kingdom

The Roman conquest of Britain begins, creating Roman Britain. Roman society was to shape Britain for the next four centuries. In the three main cities of London, Colchester and Saint Albans as in all Roman settlements was patriarchal, and the freeborn male citizen possessed political liberty (libertas) and the right to rule both himself and his household (familia). "Virtue" (virtus) was seen as an active quality through which a man (vir) defined himself. The conquest mentality and "cult of virility" shaped same-sex relations. Roman men were free to enjoy sex with other males without a perceived loss of masculinity or social status, as long as they took the dominant or penetrative role.

4th century

312 – Roman Empire began to accept Christianity with the first emperor to convert to Christianity, Emperor Constantine. Along with his bishops, monks and missionaries an endless loop of alternating permissiveness and homosexual censure in the Roman world began.

14th century

1315–1317 – King Edward II had Piers Gaveston's embalmed body buried, two and a half years after his death. Edward moved on with a growing infatuation with Roger d'Amory which can be tracked from the extensive list of gifts, grants, wardship and land. By 1317 Damory was the most important man at court and the King's 'favourite'. It is unknown whether Roger Damory was Edward II's lover.

1320 – King Edward II formed a close relationship with another good looking favorite and aide, Hugh Despenser, who manoeuvred into the affections of King Edward, displacing Roger d'Amory. This came much to the dismay of the baronage as they saw him both taking their rightful places at court at best, and at worst being the new, worse Gaveston. By 1320 Despenser's greed was running free. He also supposedly vowed revenge on Roger Mortimer, because Mortimer's grandfather had killed his own grandfather.

1321 – Despenser had earned many enemies in every stratum of society, from King Edward's wife Queen Isabella in France, to the barons, to the common people. There was even a plot to kill Despenser by sticking his wax likeness with pins.

16th century

1580 – King James VI of Scotland, King James I England had romantic relationships with three men: Esmé Stewart, Robert Carr and George Villiers, 1st Duke of Buckingham. In 1580 at 14 years old, King James I of England began a relationship with Franco-Scottish Lord Esmé Stewart, 1st Duke of Lennox. Lennox was a relative and 24 years senior to James, married and the father of 5 children. The influence Lennox his "favourite" had on politics, and the resentment at the wealth they acquired, became major political issues during his reign.[24] Scottish nobles ousted Lennox by luring the young king to Ruthven Castle as a guest but then imprisoned him for ten months. The Presbyterian nobles forced King James to banish Lennox to France. Lennox and James remained in secret contact. Lennox remained in France. He died in Paris in 1583. William Schaw took Lennox's heart back to James in Scotland, since in life its true place had been with the King.

19th century

1800 – William Blake paints "Lot and His Daughters". The Book of Genesis in chapters 11–14 and 18–19 describes Lot and his family, living through the fire and brimstone sent against Sodom and Gomorrah apparently for either rape, transgression of the laws of hospitality, or homosexuality. "Lot and His Daughters" however portrays the part of the story that involves incest, not homosexuality: the story in Genesis describes how the daughters of Lot, along the road as they fled from Sodom and Gomorrah, got their father drunk so that after he fell asleep they could have sex with him and in this way get children from him.

1806 – Yorkshire gentlewoman Anne Lister starts writing love letters to and from Eliza Raine. Lister actively participated in and wrote about her lesbian relationships. Although she did not use the word lesbian, at age thirty, she wrote, "I love and only love the fairer sex and thus, beloved by them in turn my heart revolts from any other love but theirs."

[iredreamer]

Sorry to bother tour, but about "Anne getting naked only with Ann" from the gif, Did she really undress in front of her? Did was that written in the diaries?

That scene will be so intimate... I think I will cry when the scene happens.

hello, about my comment on the second gif here – I think in the series they're gonna show Anne completely giving herself to Ann and I do believe that it will happen only with Ann Walker. I hope the whole thing is gonna play out as a sort of proof of how much Anne really loves Ann (since – I guess – we will not see her getting this close with anyone else). I do remember an interview where Suranne and Sophie talk about this scene and how important it is in the context of the Ann(e)s relationship in the show.

In real life Anne completely gave herself to Ann – meaning she got naked with her in bed – only after Ann agreed to "marry" her.

Wednesday 12, February 1834 > Long capital grubblling so that little time for sleep – she is to give me a ring and I her one in token of our union as confirmed on Monday – breakfast at 9 – Washington came for a little while – Miss Walker’s maid not much fit for packing – I did it all – books and papers etc. etc. in abundance and had not done till 2 – then off to Shibden – Miss Walker ½ hour here with my aunt and a few minutes in my study and off again at 3 ¼ – I went with her in an hour (her own carriage and man and maid) as far as Kings’ Head Inn near Bradford – and walked back and came in at 5/50.. having sauntered up the fields – dinner at 6 ½ – coffee and then asleep on the sofa – with my aunt from 8 ¾ to 9 ¾ – then with my father and Marian and sat up talking till 10/50.. – Affectionate to Miss Walker and told her I should not be long without seeing her – she desired me not to write anything particular – she meant of affection – which I promised – I certainly feel fond of her now, and if I was once really near her (no drawers on) and she was pretty well satisfied I should be at ease – she has often said she wished to be near myself –  civil letter came this morning from Quillacq Calais, to say the plate was sent off to Laffitte's –  and tonight letter from Lady Harriet – vide Friday – fine day – a hail shower as I returned over the hills after leaving Miss Walker this evening F47° now at 11 p.m. – my cousin came gently just after breakfast – [SH:7/ML/E/16/0168]

The 27th of February is when they finally exchange rings, a gesture which tightens and confirms their union.

Thursday 27, February 1834 > No drawers on last night – first time and first attempt to get really near her [Ann Walker] – did not succeed very well, but she seemed tolerably satisfied – Rainy morning – could not have my own carriage, and [Meyers] could not get Miss Walker’s ready till 12 – breakfast at 9 ¾ – a little French – I ½ asleep over it – off to Langton at 12/50.. – damp rainy disagreeable day – She was poorly and tired tho she had got up so well this morning – I saw there was much nervousness about going to Langton but took no notice – I asked her to but [buy?] the gold wedding ring I wore and lent her six pence to pay me for it – she would not give it [to] me immediately but wore it till we entered the village of Langton and then put it on my left third finger in token of our union – which is now understood to be confirmed for ever tho little or nothing was said – At Langton at 3/05.. only Mrs. Norcliffe and Charlotte at home – surprised but very glad to see us, and very kind and attentive – CN [Charlotte Norcliffe] had heard of my arrival from Mrs. Milne – Mrs. Norcliffe now dines at 3, that we sat down to dinner in about ¼ hour – coffee – tea afterwards about 6 ¼ – Miss Walker much please with Mrs. Henry Robinson’s blazoning and with Miss Best’s drawings – our visit went off very well – all sides sufficiently pleased apparently – came away at 7/20.. and home at 9 ¾ – coffee – sat talking till 11 ¾ – glad we went – the Norcliffes very civil to her – her shyness went off and she seemed much pleased with her visit – Rainy day and evening – On the margin, in code, Anne notes: the ring [to] Miss Walker [SH:7/ML/E/16/0174]

Being near – for Anne – means to be completely naked during sex (she does specify when she keeps her drawers on).

Keep in mind tho that in real life Anne didn’t get naked only with Ann Walker. As I said, I think this will be different in the series and we’ll see Anne getting this close only with Ann, but let’s wait and see.

I hope I answered your question :) can’t wait to see that scene by the way, I’ll be like this 🤞🙏🏻 for the whole time praying it is gonna be glorious.

[aivelin]

Queer comedy shows

I saw plenty of "there is no shows with lgbtq+ protagonists, if there are, they are dramas with no comedy and someone dies". Let's make a list with fresh shows that fills this demand. 

 - comedies 

- not for/about teens 

- full force lgbtq+ representation 

- zero queer deaths 

- good ratings

"This is going to hurt", 2022- (?)

imdb 8.5 

comedy, drama, no queer deaths, explicit sex scenes, bitterness 4/5 

warning: blood, medical, not for pregnant or recent mums 

"Set on labour ward with all its hilarity and heart-lifting highs but also its gut-wrenching lows, the show delivers a brutally honest depiction of life as a junior doctor on the wards, and the toll the job can take back home." 

The protagonist is gay with morally grey personality, the most of the show is about his struggles with demanding job and falling personal life.

“Gentleman Jack”, 2019-ongoing now 

imdb 8.2 

period drama, comedy, biography, gnc lesbian protagonist, no queer deaths, mature sex scenes, bitterness 3/5  

"A dramatization of the life of LGBTQ+ trailblazer, voracious learner, and cryptic diarist Anne Lister."

Anne Lister is morally grey, 40+ yo gender non conforming (to the point that your trans friends will find something close to heart) woman, searching for rich life partner. The show is about her struggles with need for adventures, duty of landowner and forbidden romances.

"A very English scandal", 2018 

imdb 7.7 however: Emmy, Bafta, Golden Globes, 24 more awards 

comedy, crime, biography, no queer deaths, explicit sex scenes, bitterness 3/5

"British Liberal Party leader Jeremy Thorpe is accused of conspiracy to murder his gay ex-lover and forced to stand trial in 1979." 

Sounds boring, but Hugh Grant and Ben Whishaw makes this political drama an entertaining story full of hilarious scenes. Both characters are morally grey and it's impossible to hate them as they probably deserve.

"Good omens", 2019-2023 

imdb 8.0 (+Bafta, Hugo, 3 other awards) 

comedy, fantasy, no queer deaths, no queer sex scenes (only dating), bitterness 1/5  

"In the beginning and eleven years ago, two immortal beings decide that it might not be time to start an Apocalypse." 

The main couple of angel and demon, who you can consider protagonists of the show and whose relationship is one of the plot moving tool, has no scenes with intimacy shown, but profoundly queer and humorous.

"Our flag means death", 2022- (?)

imdb 8.0 

Comedy, action, adventure, no queer deaths, censored sex scenes, bitterness 2/5  

"The year is 1717. Wealthy landowner Stede Bonnet has a midlife crisis and decides to blow up his cushy life to become a pirate. It does not go well. Based on a true story."

This show is the reason why I started this thread. It is a romantic comedy of protagonist starting a new life he truly wanted, and of course finding the man of his dream. There are three queer couple including trans, big focus of the plot is on toxic masculinity reformation.

[amphibious-thing]

I think a some of the confusion in regards to 18th century sexuality labels comes from a misunderstanding of the linguistics. While its true that homosexual is something that you are and sodomy is something that you do, this is a sort of odd comparison as sodomite is something that you are. Molly, tommy, sapphist, lesbian, tribade are all things that you are. It would be more accurate to compare homosexuality to sodomy. Homosexuality is something you experience something thats innate while sodomy is something you do. This is the key distinction with how sexuality was labeled in the 18th century in comparison to how its labeled now. Our labels are attraction based while 18th century labels were action based. But this myth that sodomy was just an action and that it didn’t define you in society eyes is inaccurate. The court had no problem labelling you a sodomite as they sentenced you to death.

Foucault famously wrote:

Homosexuality appeared as one of the forms of sexuality when it was transposed from the practice of sodomy onto a kind of interior androgyny, a hermaphrodism of the soul. The sodomite had been a temporary aberration; the homosexual was now a species.

(Michel Foucault, The History of Sexuality)

Foucault dates this shift to 1870. Foucault is objectively wrong. In fact in 1734 Dutch sodomites were described as “hermaphrodites in their minds”. (Rictor Norton, A Critique of Social Constructionism and Postmodern Queer Theory)  The effeminate Lord Hervey was perceived by contemporaries as being of a “Third Sex”. Lady Mary Wortley Montagu observed that the world “consists of men, women, and Harveys”. (Rictor Norton, Mother Clap's Molly House, p146) And in 1750 George Arnaud characterises “τριβzδεσ” (τριβάδες I assume?) such as Sappho and Bassa in Martial’s epigram as a “species” of “hermaphrodites” who could pass “for virtuous for some time, because she had never ventured her chastity with the men.” (A Dissertation on Hermaphrodites, p18)

Sodomites and tribades were conceptualised as “hermaphrodites in their minds” a “Third Sex” and a “species” more than a 100 years before the coining of the word homosexual.

Just because the 18th century labels were action based rather than attraction based doesn't mean that 18th century people didn’t understand sexual attraction. When Church commented that Alexander Hamilton had “weaknesses not confined to the female sex” he was implying that Hamilton was sexually attracted to both men and women. (Charles Adams to John Adams, 31 January 1799) When Madame d’Orleans said of the men at the court of Louis XIV “some prefer women, some like both men and women, some prefer men,” is she not talking of sexual attraction? She even seemingly acknowledges asexuality commenting that “some have little interest in sex at all”. (Rictor Norton, A Critique of Social Constructionism and Postmodern Queer Theory)

And there are examples of pre-1870 queer people themselves understanding their sexuality as something innate, inborn and natural to them. Gerrit van Amerongen stated at his 1776 sodomy trial that men who had sex with men were “born with it and they can be as amorous to each other as man and wife can be.” Anne Lister in 1823 told her female lover “my conduct & feelings being surely natural to me inasmuch as they were not taught, not fictitious but instinctive”. (Anna Clark, The Chevalier d’Eon, Rousseau, and New Ideas of Gender, Sex and the Self in the Late Eighteenth Century) And the Chevalière d’Eon in 1771 talks of “the natural lack of passion in my temperament, which has prevented my engaging in amorous intrigues”. (D’Eon to the Comte de Broglie, 7 May 1771. Translated by Alfred Rieu, D'Eon de Beaumont, His Life and Times, p141)

[motsimages]

After my post about Carmilla, old timey lesbians and Very Good Friends made the rounds, some people commented that they wanted more info about how the social change occurred and Very Good Friends And Possibly Lesbians turned from a good thing to a bad thing, I looked it up.

When I say I looked it up, I mean, I went to look for the Twitter threads that speak about it, made by @/firecrackerx (Cristina Domenech, in Spanish). I will use these two threads, half translate, half comment by myself. From there on, you figure it out yourselves.

So, basically, what happened in the 18th and 19th Century anglosphere upper classes (this may or may not be the case for other classes or other countries) was that men and women lived in separate spheres. They rarely mixed and when they did, it was according to very strict rules (Jane Austen's books are a good example of this, she is turn of the Century).

[This obviously still happens in societies where there is such a rigid difference and it has probably happened in any society where the social gender roles are very separated. But back to the point.]

For women, you had to be at home, private life, you had to be passive, sweet, motherly and spiritual. The Angel in the House. They also never take initiative with anything, and specially not Sex. Sex is the man's domain and so only men can make advances in terms of sex.

Being next to a man unsupervised meant Sex was happening or almost, so women would be with other women most of their time. When unmarried, almost exclusively. And from there: Very Good Friendship happened, or as Cristina calls them "Romantic Female Friendship" or jokingly, "Intense Friendship".

Going back to Dracula because for many of you it is the discovery of this kind of friendship: Mina and Lucy. What Mina and Lucy do is the usual thing in this kind of relationship. All the emotions and feelings you couldn't pour into a man because well What Would People Say About Us Then, you could pour into your girlfriend. And they did, knowing that eventually each of them would marry a man and maybe the friendship will stay the same or not.

This was accepted, including the kissing and hugging and it all because women did not have Sex, that was a man's thing. It was (and think about it, for many people it still is) impossible for two women to be having Sex so not only it was accepted: it was considered Virtuous and Good. The best example of this is the Ladies of Llangollen: Anne Lister thought they were together but everyone else wasn't so convinced because well, two women living together, sure it's odd but Sex cannot possibly happen.

Sure, Victorians invented pornography, including lesbian porn. But real women did not do these things because VirtueTM.

As I mentioned in my other post: many of these relationship were just friendships, many were romantic relationship and some were actual lesbians having sex and dating. The concept of these relationship is foreign to us, we don't have these romantic relationships anymore, but it was obviously a good façade for lesbians because of all I mentioned before.

So, this is how it goes up until the end of the 19th Century or so. What happened that everything changed?

A couple of things, one of them was feminism and women wanting to be economically and personally independent and many women being able to actually be independent. But a woman living alone and single is a bad thing, so we'll use the Boston marriage thing, which is the best way to have a SuperVirtuous Romantic Friendship With My Very Best Friend (totally not lesbians, no sir) (well, again, some were lesbians, many were just not wanting to share their lives with Victorian men, understandably).

Before this, it wasn't a problem because Very Good Friends then went on to marry a man but now the "problem" with this (for men) was that women weren't getting married (to men). Incel much?

And so, Victorian doctors interested in sex (sexologist?) investigated the question: how come women don't want to be with men if that is the only way? If women are passive and lack initiative, how come they are actually making decisions? The only possible answer is: they are not women.

I'll let you a moment to accept that many of you are from this moment on Not Women as you thought you were because you like sports, make decisions, are assertive or don't want to get married.

Anyways, now that doctors are investigating the question, the only possible conclusion to women not wanting to marry men when they have Very Good Friendship is that they are inverted and have some kind of disorder.

It took some decades, until the beginning of the 20th Century for these ideas to be accepted and established. The Bostonians (the book where the term and idea of "Boston Mariage" first appears) was published in 1886, almost 10 years before Dracula (1897). Carmilla is from 1872. The Ladies of Llangollen, that I mentioned at the beginning died in 1829 and 1831. This is to give you an idea of a timeframe.

In Carmilla, as I mentioned, the fear and horror come from Carmilla making advances and showing sexual desire. More than 20 years after that we have Dracula, with Lucy and Mina being virtuous good friends. For contrast, Dracula's flatmates do show desire for Jonathan, something women do not have at the time, therefore, those aren't really women.

So both Carmilla and Dracula are from the time when Victorian doctors are "discovering" these new tendencies and speaking about them but they haven't reached the general population yet.

However, and this will ring a bell with modern readers: in the origins of feminism and the suffragist movement, many women detached themselves from it for fear of being read as homosexuals, with the stigma (and later crime) of it. Many suffragist and feminist also refused lesbians in their team for the same reason (I'm not a lesbian but people might think I am because a lesbian is here). Once again, a win for the men.

But there you have it, a short story of women relationships of all sorts.

[yeetlegay]

🏳️‍🌈 BL watchlist check-in 🏳️‍🌈

Happy April 25, the perfect date, not too hot, not too cold, and all you need is a light jacket!

My watchlist this week was kind of haphazard but here we go!

Kinnporsche ep 3: Passing away as we speak, I can’t believe they kept that shit locked away from my eyes for two (2) weeks, this is pure sadism on boc’s part. Overall I felt like the editing and pacing issues make it the weakest ep so far, but that ending scene made me forget all about that lol so it is what it is. I’m just hoping the choppy moments were a fluke and the rest of the eps don’t have that particular problem.

Star in My Mind ep 3: Cute af and Joong is very good at pining eyes, 10/10. This is turning into my “turn ur brain off” series where I can just enjoy some fluff and not have to think critically. I’m glad it’s only 8 eps though bc the story definitely isn’t thicc enough to sustain itself for a full-sized season.

Plus and Minus ep 1-3: Finally caught up on this and omg Y’ALL. I can’t believe this drama is flying so under the radar when it’s a) on Viki so easy access, b) bffs to lovers, and c) hot bartender x single dad side couple. This is gonna sound crazy but for anyone who’s still in Bad Buddy brainrot I really think this would be up your alley. Totally different setting (adult divorce attorneys vs college kids, and no interfamilial drama) but if the pining in Bad Buddy got you good, Fu Ligong and his constant projectile yearning for his oblivious bff is gonna tear you UP. Like look at him

Cutie Pie ep 9: Watched the first part which was cute and obv LianKuea are horny and in love, congrats to them on the sex and candlelit dinners and whateva. I just wasn’t really motivated to finish the ep bc I had a feeling I’d be fast forwarding a lot and wasn’t up for it. I’m kind of hanging onto this series purely for the domestic couple moments lol but tbh this series overall just isn’t grabbing me even with Zee, which ig is saying something. (Also have a strong feeling they’re gonna drag the YiDiao story into a season 2 in which case I will be throwing furniture.)

Secret Crush on You ep 11: NOPE. NOT DOING IT. NOT WATCHING. I saw one (1) gif of sad Daisy and noped right tf out of there. I’ll watch it once ep 12 is out so I don’t have to live a week of my life knowing Daisy is sad and not knowing how they’re gonna fix it.

In other news, Gentleman Jack s2 premieres tonight so everybody pls be cool about me going absolutely batshit insane and horny over Anne Lister for the next 8 weeks. ✌🏻

[brainrockets]

Okay if Anne Lister cheats on Ann Walker in the show, I am going to need textual evidence that this actually occurred in real life because why??????? Like literally I am too fragile for this shit right now. The world is on fire and queer rights are being attacked on multiple fronts, like why do we need anything bad happening in fiction? Especially if it is an addition that didn't have evidence. If it did happen, fine whatever. But I will be so irritated if it's just some add on plot thing.

This season already has too much focus on the heterosexuals fucking and not nearly enough queer sex. Like who is this for? It's not even quality heterosexual sex. This is like how in Colette they had just the worst het sex interspersed throughout when no one was there for it. Like there's more than enough hetero action in movies with hetero protagonists.

I'm just frustrated with queer media stuff. Like Killing Eve fucked up the ending. They cancelled Owl House and Legends of Tomorrow and Batwoman and never gave us Supercorp.

I liked Crush on Hulu and Love Classified on Hallmark. But idk it just feels like we are moving forward and backwards at the same time.

[alisonscotlock]

Top ten wlw films/TV-series you recommend?😍

hi!! i do not feel qualified to answer this properly but i am honoured, thank you for trusting my taste in wlw stuff 😁

last year i was asked for my top 10 wlw films so this list will be top however many i can think of wlw tv shows (i don't actually watch that much wlw tv...)

• gentleman jack 2019-present - we're in yorkshire the 1830s and suranne jones stars as real-life wlw anne lister wooing her shy and anxious neighbour (also called ann, there's a lot of ann(e)s in this) and offering the sale of a coal mine for no less than 226 pounds 17 shillings and sixpence

• i am not okay with this 2020 - dark comic fantasy about a teenager navigating her sexuality, high school life, and her new superpowers. it's very intense and the main storyline is her powers but the gay yearning is Real too

• tipping the velvet 2002 - it's the victorian era and music hall male impersonator kitty butler seduces a girl from kent who then becomes part of her act and later goes solo and falls in love with someone else. there's quite a bit of nudity and sex and double-entendres involving oysters and anna chancellor being a top and honestly, strap in for a wild ride (innuendo fully intended)

• feel good 2020-present - ok so i've not seen series 2 yet but i'm sure it's just as good as s1 bc mae martin (writer and main character) is awesome. it's as much about addiction as it is sexuality (and gender in s2). worth it just for lisa kudrow tbh. mae and george are so sweet and hot in s1 but also there's george dealing with being in her first relationship not with a man and a lot of dark stuff in mae's brain

• one day at a time 2017-2020 - again, i've not seen the final series BUT. it's an american latinx family dealing with family stuff and the daughter is a lesbian who (spoiler alert, ish) dates a non-binary person from early s2 and they are cute as heck. watch also for rita moreno as the very dramatic and hilarious abuela

• vigil 2021 - suranne jones again, this time solving a murder on a royal navy submarine. and her colleague back at the police station she's liaising with? yeah they've done a lot of liaising if ya get me... don't quote me but i think it's the first time a major bbc crime drama series has had wlw main characters and the representation meant so much to me

pls be aware that most of these come with various trigger warnings

as always, recommendations are welcome and encouraged!

[kcrabb88]

Queer Movies/Books/TV Shows for Pride Month!

Happy Pride everyone!! For your viewing/reading pleasure I have made a (non-exhaustive) list of queer media that I have enjoyed! 

Movies/Documentaries

Pride (2014): An old tried and true favorite, which meets at the intersection of queer and workers’ rights. A group of queer activists support the 1985 miners’ strike in Wales (complete with a sing-through of Bread and Roses + Power in a Union)

Portrait of a Lady on Fire: On an isolated island in Brittany at the end of the eighteenth century, a female painter is obliged to paint a wedding portrait of a young woman (or, two young lesbians fall in love by the sea, and you cry)

God’s Own Country: Young farmer Johnny Saxby numbs his daily frustrations with binge drinking and casual sex, until the arrival of a Romanian migrant worker for lambing season ignites an intense relationship that sets Johnny on a new path (Seriously this movie is GREAT and doesn’t get enough love, watch it! It’s rough but ends happily)

The Half of It:  When smart but cash-strapped teen Ellie Chu agrees to write a love letter for a jock, she doesn't expect to become his friend - or fall for his crush (as in she falls for his crush who is another girl. This movie was so good, and really friendship focused!) 

Saving Face:  A Chinese-American lesbian and her traditionalist mother are reluctant to go public with secret loves that clash against cultural expectations (this is an oldie and a goodie, with a happy ending!)

Moonlight:  A young African-American man grapples with his identity and sexuality while experiencing the everyday struggles of childhood, adolescence, and burgeoning adulthood (featuring gay men of color!)

Carol:  An aspiring photographer develops an intimate relationship with an older woman in 1950s New York (everyone’s seen this I think, but I couldn’t not have it here)

Milk: The story of Harvey Milk and his struggles as an American gay activist who fought for gay rights and became California's first openly gay elected official (the speech at the end of this made me cry. Warning, of course, for death, if you don’t know about Harvey Milk)

Pride (Hulu Documentary):  A six-part documentary series chronicling the fight for LGBTQ civil rights in America (they go by decade from the 50s-2000s, and there is a lot of great trans inclusion in this)

Paris is Burning (Documentary): A 1990s documentary about the African American and Latinx ballroom scene. Available on Youtube!

A New York Christmas Wedding:  As her Christmas Eve wedding draws near, Jennifer is visited by an angel and shown what could have been if she hadn't denied her true feelings for her childhood best friend (this movie is SO CUTE. It’s really only nominally a Christmas movie and easily watched anytime. Features an interracial sapphic couple!) 

TV Shows 

Love, Victor: Victor is a new student at Creekwood High School on his own journey of self-discovery, facing challenges at home, adjusting to a new city, and struggling with his sexual orientation (this is a spin-off of Love, Simon, and it’s very sweet and well done! Featuring a young gay man of color)

Sex Education:  A teenage boy with a sex therapist mother teams up with a high school classmate to set up an underground sex therapy clinic at school (this has multiple queer characters, including a featured young Black gay man and also in season 2 there is a side ace character!) 

Black Sails: I mean, do I even need to put a summary here? If you follow me you know that Black Sails is full of queer pirates, just queers everywhere.

Gentleman Jack:  A dramatization of the life of LGBTQ+ trailblazer, voracious learner and cryptic diarist Anne Lister, who returns to Halifax, West Yorkshire in 1832, determined to transform the fate of her faded ancestral home Shibden Hall (Period drama lesbians!!! A title sequence  that will make you gay just by watching!) 

Tales of the City (2019):  A middle-aged Mary Ann returns to San Francisco and reunites with the eccentric friends she left behind. "Tales of the City" focuses primarily on the people who live in a boardinghouse turned apartment complex owned by Anna Madrigal at 28 Barbary Lane, all of whom quickly become part of what Maupin coined a "logical family". It's no longer a secret that Mrs. Madrigal is transgender. Instead, she is haunted by something from her past that has long been too painful to share (this is based on a book series and it’s got lots of great inter-generational queer relationships!) 

The Haunting of Bly Manor:  After an au pair’s tragic death, Henry hires a young American nanny to care for his orphaned niece and nephew who reside at Bly Manor with the chef Owen, groundskeeper Jamie and housekeeper, Mrs. Grose (sweet, tender, wonderful lesbians. A bittersweet ending but this show is so so wonderful)

Sense8: A group of people around the world are suddenly linked mentally, and must find a way to survive being hunted by those who see them as a threat to the world's order (queers just EVERYWHERE in this show, of all kinds)

Books

Loveless by Alice Oseman:  Georgia has never been in love, never kissed anyone, never even had a crush – but as a fanfic-obsessed romantic she’s sure she’ll find her person one day. This wise, warm and witty story of identity and self-acceptance sees Alice Oseman on towering form as Georgia and her friends discover that true love isn’t limited to romance (don’t be turned off by this title, it’s tongue-in-cheek. This is a book about an aroace college girl discovering herself and centers the importance and power of platonic relationships! I have it on my TBR and have heard great things)

Detransition, Baby by Torrey Peters: Reese almost had it all: a loving relationship with Amy, an apartment in New York City, a job she didn't hate. She had scraped together what previous generations of trans women could only dream of: a life of mundane, bourgeois comforts. The only thing missing was a child. But then her girlfriend, Amy, detransitioned and became Ames, and everything fell apart. Now Reese is caught in a self-destructive pattern: avoiding her loneliness by sleeping with married men.Ames isn't happy either. He thought detransitioning to live as a man would make life easier, but that decision cost him his relationship with Reese—and losing her meant losing his only family. Even though their romance is over, he longs to find a way back to her. When Ames's boss and lover, Katrina, reveals that she's pregnant with his baby—and that she's not sure whether she wants to keep it—Ames wonders if this is the chance he's been waiting for. Could the three of them form some kind of unconventional family—and raise the baby together?This provocative debut is about what happens at the emotional, messy, vulnerable corners of womanhood that platitudes and good intentions can't reach. Torrey Peters brilliantly and fearlessly navigates the most dangerous taboos around gender, sex, and relationships, gifting us a thrillingly original, witty, and deeply moving novel (again, don’t be thrown off by the title, it too, is tongue-in-cheek. This book was GREAT, and written by a trans women with a queer-and especially trans--audience in mind)

A Tip for the Hangman by Allison Epstein: A gay Christopher Marlowe, at Cambridge and trying to become England’s best new playwright, finds himself wrapped up in royal espionage schemes while also falling in love (this book is by a Twitter friend of mine, and it is a wonderful historical thriller with a gay man at the center).

Creatures of Will and Temper by Molly Tanzer: a very very queer remix of The Picture of Dorian Gray (which was already quite queer), featuring amazing female characters, a gay Basil, and a much happier ending than the original. 

Red, White, and Royal Blue by Casey McQuiston: The gay prince of England and the bisexual, biracial first son of the president fall in love (think an AU of 2016 where a woman becomes president). Featuring a fantastic discovery of bisexuality, ruminations on grief, and just a truly astonishing book. One of my favorites!

One Last Stop by Casey McQuiston:  For cynical twenty-three-year-old August, moving to New York City is supposed to prove her right: that things like magic and cinematic love stories don’t exist, and the only smart way to go through life is alone. She can’t imagine how waiting tables at a 24-hour pancake diner and moving in with too many weird roommates could possibly change that. And there’s certainly no chance of her subway commute being anything more than a daily trudge through boredom and electrical failures. But then, there’s this gorgeous girl on the train (This is Casey McQuiston’s brand new novel featuring time-travel, queer women, and I absolutely cannot WAIT to read it)

The Heiress by Molly Greely: Set in the Pride and Prejudice universe, this takes on Anne de Bourg (Lady Catherine’s daughter), and makes her queer! 

Tipping the Velvet by Sarah Waters:  Nan King, an oyster girl, is captivated by the music hall phenomenon Kitty Butler, a male impersonator extraordinaire treading the boards in Canterbury. Through a friend at the box office, Nan manages to visit all her shows and finally meet her heroine. Soon after, she becomes Kitty's dresser and the two head for the bright lights of Leicester Square where they begin a glittering career as music-hall stars in an all-singing and dancing double act. At the same time, behind closed doors, they admit their attraction to each other and their affair begins (Sarah Waters is the queen of historical lesbians. All of her books are good, and they’re all gay! The Paying Guests is another great one)

(On a side note re: queer books, there are MANY, these are just ones I’ve read more recently. Also there are a lot of indie/self-published writers doing great work writing queer books, so definitely support your local indie authors!)