#anti fndm

[justkarama]

@ammy246

And this is why I say the rwby fandom is extremely hypocritical

And it's not like including MLM in the show would be hard either

[papillaee]

Do antis on the rwby fandom know the real actually harmful crimes a lot RT people have been accused of? Because they are always weirdly quiet about that 🤔 Gee... I wonder why

[the-path-to-redemption]

Out of curiosity. You said you aren't a fan of Lilith is there a reason why?

The bitch is a raging racist and I would rather have someone shove a poison ivy-wrapped cactus down my throat than tolerate her bitch ass.

Seriously, fuck her and those like her. In NO circumstances involving L*lith, do we gotta "hand it to 'em".

[divinecomedyproductions]

Fandom Woes Part 1: Big Entertainment Fandoms and their War on Creative Minds

I feel like I need to revamp my points it’s about what I perceive to be a problem with modern fandom, and the first issue is its hostility to creative dissent, especially in form of original works or fanfiction.

It seems that fandoms, Anti-RWDE in this case, have decided how story they liked handled a concept or idea is law and appointed themselves as the police force to enforce said laws, all proclaiming to defend those they deem worthy of the title “creator” while harassing those the perceived as “bullshit artists” I guess and feel have offended them and those they defend. And these people seem to be waging an ideological conquest of creative thinking in fears of becoming irrelevant.

For example, I explained how I was upset with RWBY the tragic ending of Pyrrha Nikos and her romantic relation with Jaune, and other characters and parings, Sun and Blake, Ren and Nora, Weiss and Neptune, and Ruby and Oscar, all who I dreaded would end up on the chopping block next.

I said how I felt they should have been couples who endured consequences and raised steaks, but they should have been allowed to survive through them, rather than losing each other driving the other forward kinda like Ed and Winry and Roy and Riza from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood.

Or at least they could as a different set of characters in a different epic fantasy story.

That, and recently in retrospect, I’ve been looking at RWBY, it’s characters, and world, the ships I wanted, and what they could have been, some involves radical changes, minor changes, heavily different world building, using my Catholic faith as well as my own fictional universe as a basis.

Right now it’s a heavily reimagined RWBY AU part of a fan fiction multiverse which is mostly experimental, idk I can put up with the likes of Syto-kun’s RWBY Remnants, or Celtic Pyro's Fixing RWBY, but I might make it into an original story, Hell, I might even do both, the former first so I can see what other changes I might need to make,

Now as of recently I’ve discovered a Discord Server which I can discuss these things with other RWBY fans, most of who are also disillusioned with Canon RWBY, in a civil manner. Some agree with me, some don’t, but we all act in respect and good faith and we give each other the benefit of the doubt for our disagreements because we all deeply care about epic story-telling.

But In the past with the Anti-RWDE of the RWBY fandom, or whatever you want to call this a toxic minority, I got from was not honest disagreement, but rather disgust, abhorrence, and sneering.

I was sat down and lectured by toxic individuals how raised steaks and consequences forbid such things now, reading posts about Pyrrha and the likes of her and Jaune were only fit for tragic endings because “that's the kind of character she is.” as well these loyalists aggrandizing themselves for liking it mocking others like me with things like

"LMAO Holy Shit, you guys wouldn't like Madoka Magica" as if that was a problem

or "Lol go watch RWBY Chibi"

They resorted to passive aggressive judgment, gaslighting, and superior sarcasm at best, ranting and vicious chastisement at worst. Telling me I should trash my desires and ideas and just go watch Disney, Marvel, Romcoms, and Sitcoms instead.

They told me I was acting smug and superior and arrogant for doing a rewrite/reimagining AU or an original story in response how RWBY was handled, that what I did was inherently malicious and hostile towards Monty, and this attitude seems to come from a lot of loyalist fans who like things the way they are, and in my opinion think a little too highly of themselves for liking things that others don’t, but that’s an argument for another day.

Let me give an hypothetical example for their logic

Let's say among the Gurren Laggan and One Piece fanbase, there's a vocal minority of fanatics think that characters like Kamina and Portgas D. Ace and characters like them could only end in death to drive the characters and story forward and nobody was allowed to actively disagree with that, until Trigger recycled Kamina and Yoko as Galos and Aina respectively in Promare(though I think they recycled Kamina for Kill La Kill as Aikuro Mikisugi) 

Then it was okay for small-time creative people, fanfic writers or indie writers, to do it.

Before then, doing that was seen as “hostile” towards “creators” which they mean those who they deem worthy of the title, and they uphold as the law of epic fiction. Or at the very least, until then, it was seen as stupid and uninteresting.

That's what it seemed like to me, and I could be wrong

But it just came off as off obtuse and narrow-minded at best akin to Professor Membrane from Invader Zim, narcissistic and disingenuous at worst akin to Claude Frollo from Disney's The Hunchback of Notre Dame combined with blind consumerist loyalty to big business whether it be western entertainment or anime studios. 

Now I’ve spoken to other people and my friends and others, all who mean well, one person who’s been more patient with me than she should have, who told me I might just have to disengage from the source material since I admitted it won’t change canon RWBY and how I am unhappy with it, and friends who said I should let RWBY go because it’s causing me too much grief while another assumed I wanted no adversity and struggle and wanted it to be all fluffy because I didn’t want mentioned ships ending tragically, and I think I came off as hostile

And I feel like this is more due to my failure to articulate my points, I’m not exactly the best at doing that.

And I don’t want the rest of the RWBY Fandom, RWDE or sane neutral fans to misunderstand me, mostly due to my last reblog I got too heated and not made my point clear

I’m not saying the direction RWBY went with V3 or Pyrrha and the rest of the cast being tragic in some way or another is objectively bad, it was just not my taste

And I am not saying every normal RWBY fan/RWDE person who liked it is an elitist about it nor are all of them trying to insult me and attack me personally or say my ideas are bad but rather help you guys understand my experience with the toxic strain of the fanbase.

and I am not trying to change canon or its “trajectory” , nor am I doing this to spite Monty, especially when I never knew the guy. This is a difference in handling ideas and concepts.

I’m doing my RWBY AU, which will most likely be revamped into an original story since it takes a whole different directions with the characters and world, but it's mostly because with post V3 and now in retrospect I saw what this world, characters, ships and other ideas could have been all in a story I believe is worth telling. And I was very disappointed and frustrated that it wasn’t along with my own personal exhaustion how epic storytelling has been going in several franchises.

I mean yeah it's also due to personal tastes and preferences and subjective feelings, at least I’ve been told, but I also try to integrate that in a meaningful way. 

Everyone, big business or small time creators, should be allowed to take an idea and take it in a different direction, even if it comes from a place of disagreement and/or distaste. 

That's one of the many ways inspiration works. Some of Tolkien’s own ideas came from his distaste how Shakespere handled the elves and his unhappiness that there were no talking and walking trees in Shakespere’s Macbeth, and the Valar Aule and his creation of the dwarves are akin to an anti-Prometheus.

I mean, what do Anti-Rwde and other toxic fans like them of other franchises expect us to do?

“Oh Ding-Dong-Diddly-Darn and Golly Gee Wally-Wilikers guess I gotta go watch another show and hope the storytelling gods give me what I exactly want next time, sure I saw a different story worth telling, but f*ck me I guess!”

I can only imagine how many small-time aspiring writers have been intimidated into giving up due to these petty rules these fanatics enforce, invoking the works and names of their appointed idols, even when said individuals and companies didn’t even ask them to in the first place.

It basically felt like to me was this, and I could been wrong here,

"Whatever you thought this story could have been, the world, characters, what ships you wanted, how it all could have played out, its awful, worthless ,and uninteresting and there's something wrong with you for thinking and subjectively feeling that, so you gotta throw it all in the trash unless those we deem worthy of being 'creators' do it first or you bend over backwards for us, and we might let create what you want. Otherwise, you're only allowed to use inspiration from source material you 100% agree with or else your being malicious and not a true storyteller.”

And then they used what they liked, whether it be Arkos ending tragically and the dark direction post V3 or Bumbleby over Black Sun in V9, as an opportunity to aggrandize themselves, flaunt their tastes and what they also like and mock and sneer at everyone else who’s unhappy and force their preferences onto said dissidents. All for what seemed like to me for pride, moral superiority, and social currency.

and they would turn around and lecture you for being entitled, smug, superior and smelling your own farts.

And once again, this isn’t directed at sane fans and RWDE who liked these things for honest reasons and objective analysis, you guys are fine and this is not towards you, its to help you guys understand where I'm coming from.

And from what I've heard, there's someone amongst the anti-rwde/rwby rewrite by the name of LilithFairen who used this to attack Fixing RWBY RWBY and Madoka Magica and fans of the latter.

While I don't like Gen Urobuchi's work myself and Fixing RWBY sounds too dark for me, I do not condone her behavior. Bullying behavior is not justified wether be based on objectively good storytelling or personal/subjective feelings or personal taste/distaste.

My grief is with a toxic contingent with fandom, who seem conceited, self-righteous, and self-absorbed that they think what they like, from broad things like lighthearted to grimmdark to nitty-gritty details like concepts and what direction they go, are the objective end-all-be-all law of epic fiction.

The only exception they'll make is those they admire who they see as the lawgivers who can write and repeal these "laws" and then once again appoint themselves as the police force to enforce these laws onto the peasants who they believe are obligated to be obedient to their will. 

People who have less wealth power than those they claim to defend.

This certainly has happened on the opposite side of the spectrum in the past.

With the Gmod community I used to be a part of in, the toxic among the My Little Pony fandom of Gmod flaunted the success of MLP and championed themselves as the avatars of friendship and accused anyone who didn’t like the show or aspects about it, especially due to personal taste and subjective feelings as those who hated friendship. And I've heard horror stories in regards to the Steven Universe Fandom.

And for a while, individuals like these on both sides of the light and dark spectrum had managed to get away with this.

Until, there’s been a growing audience who’s been tired with Big Entertainment, and choosing between what seemed to me either pure grimmdark or pure lighthearted

People who these individuals had at best, dismissed as the minority, and perhaps we were for a while.

But from my perspective, that changes over the years, it's a natural swing of the pendulum.

Now that's not to say an objectively well written story can withstand that, that's what critics are for, and neither does it mean subjective and personal feelings and tastes/distastes should be disregarded either, but all of this is for another topic for another day.

Until recently, many creative writers and audiences were limited to companies and corporations who’s mandates in creating works was very limited, and many stories, while didn’t follow these standards, were not well planned out and executed. Sword Art Online being my personal example.

Not to mention, in the past fan fiction was also seen as a joke due to teenager fan fiction stereotypes and the likes of 50 Shades of Grey.

Thus, making any contesting ideas against the status quo seem inherently bad and keeping any dissident voices in zones of restrictive dissent.

But the world isn’t like that anymore.

With people becoming increasingly disillusioned with the likes of Hollywood, Fanfiction has been getting significant amount of attention as well there being a bold new movement of storytellers going indie, and with new effective online indie platforms from webcomics, to novels, kickstarter and indiegogo, and the likes of YouTube all of which are also getting attention, and challenging or at least contrasting certain ideas and concepts from other works in epic fiction or how they are handled, all without the Anti-RWDE’s authorization.

In other words, creative individuals no longer need to bend over backwards to publish their visual stories on effective platforms.

Which, at least what it seems to me, makes these toxic individuals realize that epic fiction and its handling of certain kinds of concepts, characters, tropes, characters, worlds, and ships, right down to their ultimate fates, do not revolve solely around their terms or at least the terms of those they worship. Which in turn makes them insecure and upset.

So I have a message to Anti-RWDE and other zealot fans of these franchises who do this

Like it or not, and whether you agree with them or not, these dissident fans and creators are your only equal in this equation. 

The fact you would resort to your little manipulative games and would even go so far as to suck up those who you deem worthy of the title “creator” and have more power and wealth than we do to enforce these stupid rules puts you all a significant step away from your peers.

Which might sound inconsequential to you now, but in the long run will hurt you all, gravely.

because one day some of these dissidents will use that they liked and what they wanted to create fantastical epics in various indie formats(novels, webcomics, YouTube web-series, etc) or AU FanFiction, or most likely both

Whether the inspiration comes from a place of agreement or dissent

And when you come along to sneer at it and accuse it being “hostile” and “leeching off” other creators because its inspiration came from a place of disagreement, especially without any analytical evidence, you’ll end up enraging the audiences of those works, who might have been dissident and disappointed fans of the works you enjoy, and are now finally getting works that resonate to their tastes both broad things like lighthearted, grimmdark, or something in the middle and nitty gritty like concepts and what directions they go.

And they’ll remember how you mocked, lectured, gaslit and policed them and told them what they wanted was “uninteresting” and inherently “malicious” towards those you deem worthy of the title “creators”, and how you went so far as to suck up to “The Man” to do so.

I’m a Catholic, I’m taught revenge is sinful, but the other reality is that some people aren't as graceful as others, and those people may decide to give you a taste of your own medicine.

Those “creators" aren’t gonna be there to help you when that happens, I guarantee it. 

Because most of them don’t care about this whole ordeal, and might even be completely unaware of it, nor do they know who you are.

So maybe instead of jumping to broad accusations, bad faith, and intentionally misinterpreting what people are saying and their thoughts and subjective feelings, and assume this creative disagreement is inherently hostile, smug, and malicious, all without any evidence, you ask constructive questions or just disagree honestly instead.

Because of your only intention is to suppress alternative ideas, preferences, thoughts, and feelings along with lecturing everyone and silence a discussion of such things because they come from a place of disagreement and displeasure, especially when you say “It’s not gonna change canon”, then you should be the first person to walk away from the debate.

Because let’s say what we had in mind is just pandering, and nobody in would find it interesting, along with considering the fact whatever we do “wont change canon” of the stories you enjoy

With all things considered, then I dare ask, what are you doing in our conversations?

Why are you getting mad and jumping into our discussions?

Why are you trying to control what we create and enjoy, especially because we disagreed how something was handled?

Either we make a reimagined AU fanfic, or recycle what we liked and wanted for our original works.

Either way, as you said it yourself, it won’t change canon, people don’t find it interesting, and it’s only pandering to people who you seem to not like, so why are you inserting yourself into our discussions in the first place?

If we are making it your problem, how are we? Because we created something in disagreement how certain ideas and concepts were handled and we put it out there and it’s getting attention? Is someone making you consume our stuff?

Because from where I'm standing, you guys are the ones going out of your way to make it your problem, which in turn you use to justify in your mind what you do to other people.

Because you want to control and suppress what us poor people create and enjoy as well as control and suppress what we think and subjectively feel. Which is at best, very weird.

We're trying to do our own thing, and you're trying to control other people.

If you truly believe what you like is the end-all-be-all and transcends all of this and you yourself are superior for liking these things, then do yourself a favor, save yourself the time and energy, and get out of our tags, servers, and conversations.

Just move along and continue to enjoy whatever those you deem worthy to be “creators”

These types of fans of RWBY, and MCU, Star Wars, and any other franchise for that matter need to take that advice

“It’s not gonna change canon, it’s not for you, disengage from the material, and move on”

Because that advice only works, when you are fine when things are going

See the irony there?

If you’re fine the way it's going, and someone is actively disagreeing with it, especially through creative works…

“It’s not gonna change canon, it’s not for you, disengage from the material, and move on”

Just do not insert yourself into this.

Just mind your own business, and just gossip about it in your own groups, tags, and forums.

Be that indifferent, loyal, and culturally and morally superior overman/overwoman that you just love to position yourself as in these discussions and leave us alone.

[caddeter]

“Why does the tag dedicated to criticism of RWBY spend so much of its time critcizing RWBY?!  How LIFELESS are you people?!”

Not only do people dedicate about as much time, if not more, to the main RWBY tag, but there are also entire tumblr accounts dedicated to asks or roleplay or fanart or fanfiction or liveblogging or whatever.

There are also members of the FNDM who have made it their life’s purpose to defend RWBY from criticism.

How, exactly, are we the lifeless ones here?

[lacependragon]

No I'm never going to stop ripping the Fair Game fandom a new one.

They still send me hate regularly. It's been literally fucking YEARS since James died on screen.

I STILL CANT SEARCH MY NAME ON TWITTER. People post FANART for me on Twitter! HOW DO I FIND IT NOW ASSHOLES.

So yes I will keep explaining how awful and disgusting their ringleaders are. Because they actively suicide baited people. They sent so much hate. They sent violent imagery and threats. They had (and might still have) Discords talking about how much Ironqrow fans suck and do bad things and deserve to be hurt.

And I will not stop. And I will not shut up. Because you tried to bait people into suicide over the presumed sexuality of a FICTIONAL MAN..

ANY OF YOU WHO EVER DID THIS, OR ENCOURAGED THIS: YOU ARE ALL MORONS AND I REFUSE TO SHUT UP ABOUT THIS.

[kitkatopinions]

I feel like it’s annoying when people say things like “You’re just mad that RWBY isn’t doing what you want / following your headcanons” for three reasons.

Long post full of RWDE ahead.

Reason 1. Because just like with complaints that RWBY criticism gets into hate, this is just something totally normal that toxic RWBY fans have decided should be forbidden for no reason other than their dislike of seeing it. People are allowed to complain about media not going the way they wanted it to or being different from how they thought. When I play a Sonic game and it has way more ‘Classic Sonic’ elements than I like, there would be nothing wrong with me telling people in person and online that I’m sick of classic Sonic elements and want more Dreamcast/Adventure Era style Sonic games. It might be my personal opinion and I know for a fact that there are people who think all Sonic should be doing is making more games like the old classics, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong or bad for me to express my opinion. It’s honestly so weird that there’s this “nothing but the most objective, emotionless criticism is allowed’ mentality. This sort of complaint might not always be objectively true and something everyone should think, but it makes it no less valid for the person experiencing it. If someone is like “Man, I was watching RWBY because I really dug the ‘combat school’ elements, so now that they’re not in combat school anymore, the show is boring,” nobody has to jump in and rant at them for “just not liking RWBY because it doesn’t conform to what they want!” The person isn’t obligated to keep liking something that no longer fits what they want or like to see in or are interested by just because... Idk, loyalty? And the person also isn’t obligated to not talk about why they found that change annoying just because it’s not an indisputable objective fact.

Reason 2. Because most of the time, people aren’t actually talking only about completely subjective opinions, most of the time there’s more they’re saying and complaining about that gets ignored. Someone will make a detailed post about how Blake’s entire character has been completely removed and now she acts like a completely different person, and someone else will be like “you’re just mad that the writers didn’t do Blake how you wanted.” Someone will make a post about how the writers have been sloppy with world building and don’t seem to put care into establishing anything properly, which is why the transition from a relatively simple school-based story to a big, involved ‘travel the world and save the world’ story has been lackluster and feels very disconnected, and someone else will be like “you’re just bitter because the writers are writing the story they want and not the story you convinced yourself was gonna happen.” Someone will complain that the writers speed-ran IW’s ‘fall to villainy’ and openly admitted that they used him gaining a new prosthetic as a way to symbolize his ‘loss of humanity’ and that the writers making their characters verbally insist that James ‘broke Mantle’ and is untrustworthy doesn’t mean much when they had failed to write him as an convincing villain in the seventh volume and the destruction of Mantle was in fact in the hands of others, and James had good reason behind almost everything he did and that the writers making Winter, Ozpin, and Qrow just accept that he’s full blown evil and not expressing an ounce of care towards him was bad characterization... And someone else will be like “Just because you wanted Ironwood to stay a hero doesn’t mean the writers are bad for making him a villain. Cry more about how you didn’t get what you want.” Like ???? If the post is specifically just being like “I’m disappointed because this show isn’t doing the things I want it to” then that’s valid actually and people are allowed to post shit like that. But if the post is specifically like “this shit is badly done and badly written, here’s why I think that” and the comeback from other people is them saying “you’re just mad because what you want isn’t canon” then I’m gonna think they just don’t have any real argument against the criticism. Imo, it’s actually RWBY’s like, defining trait at this point to have good ideas that are badly executed, that could’ve been good if they were in a better made show. But people will literally just stick ‘mad about headcanons not being true’ onto a very real piece of criticism and analysis and be like “There, that’s all disputed now.” Very weird behavior..... Very bad comeback in general.

Reason 3. A lot of the times, there’s like... A reason why a lot of expectations exist? I know better than most how kooky and twisted fandoms can get and how they run with stuff, but also a lot of expectations are based on things like prior characterization, build up, what the writers clearly want us to think, etc. So if for instance, the writing of RWBY and the theme songs and all are continuously telling us that this show is built around themes of hope, love, trust, and redemption, people saying “I wish RWBY actually did a good job with presenting these morals and had their paragon hero characters show these traits or at least have the narrative acknowledge wrongdoing when they don’t and I wish the narrative of characters wasn’t frequently hopeless” they’re not just expressing disappointment that what they want isn’t canon, they’re commenting on how RWBY fails to deliver on the themes it promised. The show is called RWBY and marketed around being a show about four women and all the merch has Team RWBY plastered all over it, so when someone says “I wish RWBY actually centered the main four girls more and it’s actually pretty weird and sus that Ruby spent almost the whole of season eight doing nothing helpful and then had a solution with Ambrosius literally given to her because she’s plucky only to lose and die when she’s supposed to be the main character” it’s not getting mad that what we want isn’t canon, it’s commenting on the fact that RWBY’s promised premise of being about powerful women feels like it isn’t true anymore and that’s frustrating. Even things like “Qrow and James or Qrow and Winter didn’t get enough screen time together” isn’t just because ‘people are mad that their ships aren’t true,’ it’s because these are dynamics that were introduced to us in season three that interested us and specifically with Qrow and James, it’s a dynamic we were strongly reminded of the existence of in season 6, and yet when it came time to actually have them interact, the writers shuffled Qrow off with Clover and then pretended like he and James had never been friends. The expectation was there because early work had been done and then went ignored. Even something small like people getting mad because Weiss, Blake, and Yang’s color schemes are so off? We’re not just frustrated because we don’t like the looks personally, we’re frustrated because the expectation of color mattering was given to us in the early seasons. Penny being a flesh human? That wouldn’t have actively hurt people if the show hadn’t gone out of its way to make sure we knew that Penny was a real person who deserved to be affirmed as and valued as a real person in her robotic body in volume two, thus giving the audience a perfectly understandable expectation that the narrative wouldn’t get flipped to ‘toss out that weird body and get the perfect normal, conforming one you always should’ve wanted.’ A lot of this stuff doesn’t just come out of nowhere, a lot of the expectations people have for RWBY exist because there was set up, and there was good reason to believe it. And just pretending that RWDE posters completely invented all this shit just so we could get mad is really freaking weird.

Like, imagine if Star Wars had Han frozen in carbonite and then was just like “meh” and forgot about him for the rest of the trilogy, and then when people were like “Um, what about Han?” other people were like “Omg, I can’t believe you’re mad just because your headcanon that Han was important didn’t come true.” Imagine if in Avatar the Last Airbender, they never had Zuko go to the good side in book three, and then when people were like “wait, so why did we have all this development with Zuko, then?” people were like “so your favorite bad boy didn’t turn good, you’re mad? The show writers don’t need to conform to your weird ideas.” Imagine if a new Incredibles movie came out that was all about how Supers are actually destructive and need to be contained and you’re like “but this doesn’t fit the theme of the other two movies at all and doesn’t even make sense” and then people call you a Mr. Incredible apologist and tell you that if all you care about is getting your headcanons affirmed than you should go write fanfiction. Imagine if you got a Spider-Man game that was called Spider-Man and had the Spider-Man logo on the front and the summary was like “Spidey’s on a new adventure in New York” and then you started playing the game and it was like way more about Deadpool and this random other kid who came into the game half way through and so you’re like “I thought this was supposed to be about Spider-Man,” and then you get people saying you’re an obsessed weirdo who can’t stand that the game writers had a vision you didn’t like. Just picture for a moment if during the next RWBY volume, the writers had Blake and Yang announce that they’re best friends and pat each other on the back and then Blake started talking about being in love with Sun, and you rightfully post online about how we were clearly meant to read Blake and Yang as romantic and it’s such a frustrating walk-back and it doesn’t make sense and then you had someone respond to your post with “well just because you like a ship doesn’t mean it has to be canon, you’re just mad because the show writers don’t cater to you.” That would rightfully be very frustrating!

Long post short, if people could please stop saying any variation of “you’re just mad that your headcanons aren’t true” that would be great.

[salad-juice-enjoyer]

Honestly I have A LOT of gripes with the ml fandom, but every time something about RWBY enters my dash, I thank HaShem that stopped caring about it.

[ID: A gif of a blue garbage dumpster whose contents are burning. End ID.]

@swapauanon If you don't mind, how bad is it really? /gen

[hadesisqueer]

Oh god what happened on Twitter now

Arryn Troche makes a joke on their secondary Twitter account about how they hope the Bumbleby kiss makes a lot of people watch RWBY and V10 gets greenlit.

Judgemental Critter grabs a screenshot of said joke and tries to do a call out post, saying that joke proves that CRWBY is only making Bumbleby kiss so the show doesn't get cancelled, and starts stirring shit up.

Arryn Troche replies to JC's tweet in a much more polite way than I would have.

JC starts saying they're targeting her and starts playing victim because Arryn Troche responded to their tweet.

Other big RWBY fan accounts also call JC on their bullshit and toxic behaviour.

[matt0044]

Why does Indie Animation lend itself to such intense discourse?

If I had to speculate from my own observations (feel free to call me out on an overgeneralizations), it would be that the harsh turn against any given indie project would be akin to a mother scolding a child with, "I expected this from your sibling but you?!"

See also the "We were rooting for you" gif often tossed around.

Indie Animation be it from a small studio or crowdfunded is seen as bypassing the hoops and hurdles of getting your foot in the door of the highly corporatized entertainment industry. With the likes of Disney or Nick or any given streaming service, creator driven projects are subject to the whims of the company who holds the IP.

And those whims are often to said IP's detriment. It'll more often than not be willfully neglected at best or treated as just something to fill a time slot or shove onto a streaming platform as "content." Enough may be allowed to flourish but their either uncerimoniously cut short at best or being dragged out as a franchise at worst.

To keep from going on about the whole Legend of Korra vs. Spongebob thing (I was there people, there was an LoK fandom believe it or not), indie animation has often been seen as small scale but also within the creator's general control since they control how long it goes or how it's written.

Many cartoons like Gravity Falls, Owl House and Amphibia have talked about trying to get their vision across while contending with a lot of Standards and Practices. Their story which had a "kids and adults alike" target audience would have the top brass insist on something more just for the former category.

While they find work arounds, often to stick their tongue out at the FCC, this can be a hard reminder of who has the final say despite it being what you want. Indie animation is seen as an answer to "What if Alex Hirsch didn't have to comprimise elements of Gravity Falls for the FCC?" or "What if Dana Terrence could just blaze her own trail with The Owl House with little to no notes?"

Especially when it comes to animation with queer characters. Animation made to be "fit for kids" have it tough enough even today but adult animation has to "play it for laughs" since comedies have been the defacto standard for that type of cartoon.

However... a show being creator driven or creative team driven comes as a double edged sword for the fandoms they form. Not all stories that play out across multiple episodes of varying lengths are going in the direction YOU might want to.

Creators might tire of a certain direction or formula and mix things up with things that come to mind almost on the spot. Even with a solid plan, the status quo will get a shake up that can and will alienate those who fell in love from episode one.

Indie Pilots spark the imagination something fierce. There's theories as to what any little detail could mean going forward and speculation on what a character's arc could be. These go wild because Fandom is all about the hypothetical, the unknown, the what could've/should've/would've been. Whole phenomenon would be dead in the water otherwise.

Thing is that not all theories will be proven right if any at all. The creators aren't mind readers and even if it isn't a legality like in corporate, they don't read fanfics if only because they don't want their vision to be totally compromised. Any good creator knows not to just give fans what they want. However... trampling over all these fanfics and theories makes it feel like any given fan had their "child" dragged into the streets to be shot.

A harsh phrasing but that's how a lot of fans act when continuing episode bump up against initial impression of this character or that storyline. It was their creation but new lore, new backstory or what have you is liable to override them. It's been an occupational hazard of being a member of fandom for ages yet it's become the center of a lot of discourse now more than ever. Say thank you to social media for creating such a combative environment everybody.

It's this... feeling of ownership that has existed in fandoms of other shows owned by corporations but amplied by the smaller scale of it, how creators seem more... approachable. And THIS is how the YouTube "critic" scene comes in to capitalize.

So... yeah.

[justkarama]

Adam isn't a very well written character he's by far the most poorly written character in the show the gaslighting is insane

[farsight-the-char]

Thinking about some observations regarding RWBY redesigns.

Yang is typically the one where you can see a lot of the artist/writers biases bleed in. The one where you can get the immediate "is this good or bad" design stuff. Where you can see the designer's understanding of the characters become most apparent.

Blake tends to get hit with the "plot biases" stuff in a similar way, and who's design you can see the specific "direction" where the AU is going. The writer's understanding themes become apparent here.

Weiss and Ruby, by contrast, tend to be more "similar" to their mainline counter parts, most often at least.

....

If Yang's early volume redesigns are hornier (in an "straight anime fan" way), it is a bad sign.

If they down play Blake's experiences as an abuse survivor, it is a bad sign.

[the-path-to-redemption]

Bitch wtf?!!!

Listen I have my own disagreements and agreements on Hazbin Hotel but at the same time I don't think the angels from Hazbin Hotel is a great example of Israel

From what I know angels from HH are unaware of the Genocide of hellborns are disagree with it. Zionist and majority Israel population IS aware of what they are doing and support the Genocide.

Avatar the Last Airbender is better on portraying a Genocide that HH

Long Post Ahead. Trigger Warnings: Mentions of Sexual Assault, Genocide, Naz*s, Deaths, and War.

Look, I don't really give a shit about the whole morality of Hazbin Hotel because the show is fucking mediocre as shit to me, but let's just make one thing clear for everyone. Thanks for showing me this shit, homie, cause this coming rant?

This is mostly aimed at the fucker in the screenshot m/ultishipper and others like them:

If you compare an ongoing genocide that has caused thousands of casualties, real-life deaths of innocents including children, to a fucking fictional media.

YOU ARE A FUCKING GHOUL AND I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR YOU.

We can discuss the presence of genocide in a show for days and I wouldn't give a fuck, but to take the suffering of war victims to boost up your asinine, anti-RWDE bullshit immediately takes you to the lowest depths of hell, m/ultishipper, and nothing will ever fucking change the fact that you are SCUM.

These are REAL fucking people. Not a fucking comparative element for anyone to compare to FICTIONAL CHARACTERS who cannot fucking do anything. They. Are. Not. Real. And I am fucking done with the RWBY bootlickers who make these kinds of fucking comments as a gotcha to RWDE.

I've seen a fucking edit of Ironwood sitting next to P*tin during the beginning of the Ukrainian crisis. I've seen posts of fuckers like this making Ironwood out to be a fascist and comparing him to N*tanyahu. I've seen so many fucking people calling fans of Ironwoods fascists and Naz*s, it's not even fucking funny.

STOP. THAT. SHIT. The casualties and horrors of war are NOT for you to fucking exploit, m/ultishipper, just because you love to such dick for a company that does not give a fuck about you. Don't fucking act like you're innocent either, because *I* had to block you last year after you fucking call me an abuse apologist as well as other vile ass shit. and that's not mentioning your countless abuse towards other RWDE blogs, many run by women of color and other marginalized groups.

I don't doubt that there have been death threats; yeah, RWDE isn't a monolith, and no one deserves to be treated like that over some trash-ass Texas anime. But guess what? DO FUCKING NOT ACT LIKE YOU AND SIMILAR BITCHED HAVEN'T DONE THE SAME THING AND WORSE.

So far, you ass-eaters have:

Call me an abuse apologist, a misogynist, a queerphobe, a racist, a dictator lover, and a pedophile over a FUCKING SHOW.

Harassed MULTIPLE RWDE blogs, many run by marginalized people, and called them similar shits for disagreeing with you, completely forgetting that some of them are SA survivors, in which calling them pedophiles and similar things makes you a SEXUAL AGGRESSOR.

Sent death threats to blogs for disagreeing with your bullshit and bullied many artists out of the FNDM for "shipping the wrong ships".

Make excuses for the abusers working at RT, who have a long fucking list of violence against people, while still calling us abuse apologists.

FUCKING CALLED SHEENA OUM, MONTY'S WIDOW, A MURDEROUS BITCH AND BLAMED HER FOR HIS DEATH AFTER RT KICKED HER OUT OF HER HUSBAND'S PROJECT.

Degrading the works and involvement that Dillon Goo and Shane Newville have on RWBY, even though they were with Monty since the beginning the same way MK was while uplifting the latter who continues to exploit queerness in characters to sell their show.

Blamed and bullied Kdin, who was abused by her place of employment for years, for said abuse while making excuses for your faves who made years of her life hell.

Ignored the many, MANY, animators and employees at RT, who were abused, laid off, and in some cases, DISABLED, by the awful working conditions there just for your dumbass show to continue at their expense.

Made comparisons between RWDE posters and NAZ*S. Who fucking does that?? There's a fucking screenshot of someone on Reddit literally claiming that if H*tler was a RWBY hater, WE would hang Swatzik*s to support him. FUCK YOU.

And right back to now, comparing real casualties of war to a fucking show as a gotcha to people you do not agree with.

I hope that you assholes find a conscience soon for your own sake. Because if this is part of your legacy, may you fucking rot in hell.

Thank you to the person submitting this to me. Only for showing me the depths of depravity this scumbag can go to though; making me read that shit was torturous and I will now pour 6 oz. of salt into your soup tonight.

[chaoslordjoe]

Do not let CRWBY deter you.

The current FNDM situation involving Volume 9 Episode 6 needs no introduction, by now, y'all know what happened and how pissed most everyone is in the following episode at recent character actions. Who can blame them?

But after scouring some RWBY-related forums and channels, I have to say that I'm almost not surprised by how disheartened everyone is rather than enraged. Well, there are folks who are angry, but what really shocks me is how everyone is more sad and disappointed rather than pissed off.

Anyway, with my point being made, let's cut straight into it: Don't let RWBY's latest controversy deter you from criticizing this show. And to any fanfic writers, fan-artists or general content creators who still write RWBY fanfiction, don't let the events of this episode or CRWBY's "planned from the start" mantra make you feel bad. 

That's exactly what they want to make themselves feel like they're being smart about this to flex on us, the beleaguered critics of this show.

Perhaps then, this isn't the right sub for this kind of rallying cry. But rather, the kind of post to motivate creators of fan content who have been burned out, and it seems like the Wasps and other toxic elements of the FNDM have won.

We should not let CRWBY win either. They got the last laugh in deciding the events to canonize a controversial ship, but we should resist their efforts to dominate the FNDM discussion as we have more power than them, we can still write our own fanfics, our own alternate universes, rewrites, whatever else.

Do not let CRWBY's idiocy deter you. They started this shipping war, and the only way to resist that is to let them know that you will ship whoever you please, however if fits within YOUR narrative. Not Rooster Teeth's. If you give in, then Miles, Kerry, Eddy and Kiersi wins.

Arryn Zech wins.

Barbara Dunkelman wins.

Where they've successfully demoralized you. You have more creativity than those braying jackasses ever will. Continue writing fanfiction. Continue drawing art. Do not let CRWBY deter you.

[caddeter]

A Public Service Announcement For the Entire RWBY Fandom

Or, at least: @asmallermorehonestsoul​

despite tagging it as #anti rwde

That still shows up in the tag because it contains ‘rvvde’ as its own word.  This is why I find posts tagged #Bioshock Infinite if I look up #Bioshock.  We’ve had this conversation with KKKoB and his ‘rvvde bullshit’ tag.

By this logic, you can’t complain about anything we have to say because we very clearly tag all our posts to let you know that it isn’t for you.  You also can’t complain about the fact that this post is tagged #anti rwby.  You don’t get to wave a flag in a park and then complain when people notice you.

Furthermore, that doesn’t matter.  The tags of a post are not the first thing someone browsing tumblr will look at.

And it is very hard to look through RWBY content without seeing them

If we are expected to ignore it when your posts wind up in our tag, why are you allowed to complain when our posts end up in your tag?  Especially when our tag is specifically meant to be blacklisted:

The first thing you want to do is click on the little person icon in the top-right corner and go to your setting.

After that, you scroll down to ‘Content You See’ and select the pencil next to ‘Filter Tags.’

Then, add the tag you want to filter out, in this case, ‘RWDE.’

There, done.  That should stop our posts from popping up whenever you search for things like RWBY.  I have tested this multiple times, it fucking works.* I tested this with the main tag, and I legit couldn’t look it up!

Now, true, we can easily do this with with your tags to remove them from our feed.  But that’s not the point.  We made this tag so that you could remove our complaints and criticisms of the show from your feed.  Not so you could have an easier time complaining about us.  You complain about how dark it is with a candle in one hand and a match in the other.

If expecting you to blacklist a tag is too much, why do you expect it of us?

Furthermore, if you expect us to curate our tags for your browsing conveniences, then please, do tell me:  What exactly do you want us to do?  Stop tagging our posts with RWBY?  Most of us already do that.

And as for ‘using our disabilities as a shield,’ I’ll let @dowhatteverer​ explain why that’s bunk.

*This does not work if you specifically go to blogs who are known to post content into the tags you have blacklisted, which I know for a fact the anti-criticism crowd does.

[lacependragon]

"What happened to Ironqrow week?"

Buddy do you not realize the amount of hate, vitriol, suicide baiting, and disgust that the ironqrow fans received starting at the end of V7? Do you not? I can't imagine the impact on people's mental health outside my own and I know mine took a huge toll.

(The screenshots I kept being sent of the Discord devoted to dissecting everything I did as the work of evil and Problematic:TM: didn't help)

So yeah I don't blame a ship week for taking a break. Fair Game fans are fucking stupid and malevolent and disturbing and I would avoid antagonizing them as much as possible to.

It's like being set on by a bunch of rabid fruit bats. Except the rabid bats are more of a loss to the ecosystem than the foaming at the mouth dumbasses who think Clover was canon queer and have decided everyone who doesn't (including the writers) need to be vocally and destructively punished for their "insubordination".

Gee it's almost like they're the bootlickers and not the ironqrow fans.

Fucking fascinating.

Anyway it's back now and I'll be writing fic. <3