#anti westallen fandom

[supermanliveson]

westallen people are soooo insecure with their ship. whenever you criticize the questionable writing of the ship they start calling you things lol

Not to mention the complete lack of chemistry, the terrible acting of the so-called leading lady, and the vastly disproportionate amount of screentime it takes up for what was supposed to be a fun superhero show. Clearly they see all those things as bonuses, not problems; that's how hypocritical and intellectually bankrupt they are.

[shezowhero]

Virichie and fandom racism towards ships with black characters.

I may not ship Virichie as hard as I do Static X Frieda but I’m glad and appreciate it being popular cause interracial ships with black characters and ships with black characters in general get very screwed over by fandoms. Black characters get very screwed over when it comes to shipping. 

They face alot of backlash and hate. Black characters in interracial ships with white characters especially get alot of hate and backlash. In fact people will lose their absolute god damn minds when black characters are paired up with white characters. 

Ships with black characters often get the least fan content if they get any at all. They’re the least popular ship. They could be a ship that’s been canon for a long time but be the least popular ship in the fandom like Guardianbee for example. Guardianbee has been canon in Teen Titans for a very long time but its the least popular ship and has very little fan content. It doesn’t help that they’re not together in alot of media and the Teen Titans are more outside of comics so its a lack of exposure and racism. 

They will make up all kinds of excuses to to why they don’t ship ships with black characters in them. They’ll things like “They’re just friend” or “Why can’t men and women just be friends” and I totally get this as a girl who had alot of guy friends as a kid and was always asked if we liked each other but people say this alot to ships with characters of color. They say it way too much that its weird. The only one I agree with is Star and Marco. And its never said to all white ships that should just be friends. Also what’s wrong with interracial friends to lovers ? Interracial best friends to lovers is really cool. Its one of the things I like about Virichie and Static x Frieda. 

Another excuse is Familyzone, they say they’re like family or like siblings or they’ll straight up say its incest when its clearly not. They try to familyzone them when it’s never stated in canon that the characters see each other as family. Its more of a fan interpretation or headcanon. I see people trying to familyzone Virichie saying that Virgil and Richie are brothers but its never stated in the show that they see each other as brothers. Its just a fan interpretation. Just because you see them as brothers doesn’t mean we everyone else sees them as brothers. I also use to see Virgil and Richie as brothers but not anymore so I get why people do but maybe don’t say that about a interracial ship. I still see them as family but not in a incest way but in a ”they’re a important part of the family like a family friend” way.

Another excuse they say is its forced while at the same time shipping a all white ship that’s forced. I understand not liking ships that are forced but just like the they’re just friends excuse they say this alot about ships with black characters and interracial ships. And like I said before the only one I agree with is Star and Marco. People ship white characters together all willy nilly all the time but they’re not willing to do the same with black characters and characters of color.

Another excuse when it comes to black women is she too strong. The strong black women trope. The strong independent women trope is progress for white women but its not progress for black women and women of color. You’re saying that black women and women of color don’t deserve love. You’re denying their humanity. Not every black woman is strong and not every black woman can be strong.

My favorite excuse is the “They don’t like good together” Its my favorite cause its very obviously racist like they do not hear themself. It doesn’t matter if they don’t look good together its about the chemistry, how they make each other grow and how the relationship fits the characters and story and other actual shipping reasons. “They don’t look good together” is a very shallow and racist reason to not ship a interracial ship.

The next excuse(s) is a big lie and its “There’s no good well written black characters to ship” and ”there’s no good ships with black characters” The reason why its a totally lie is that there’s alot of good black characters. You just need to consume more diverse media especially diverse media that star black characters. The problem though is that when people do consume diverse media they still only focus on white characters. I see this in the Static Shock fandom with Hotstreak and to a extent Richie. So consume more diverse media and stop focusing so much on the white characters. The whole “there’s no good ships with black characters” It sounds like they’re only caring about canon ships and there’s alot of good ships with black characters that aren’t canon and there’s good ones that are canon. You’re just not looking hard enough. As a mainly canon shipper you don’t always have to ship canon ships especially if they’re not good. Talisto Talia X Mephisto from Lolirock is a good ship and a low key crack ship and its one of the most popular ships in the fandom and it has a black girl in it. People will ship random white characters together all the time but won’t do the same with black characters and characters of color. Talisto isn’t treat as a crackship, if people can ship that than you can ship ships with black characters in them. There’s alot of good black characters and alot of good ships with black characters you’re just not paying attention to them.

Besides making up excuses to why they don’t ship interracial ships with black characters they will make a all white ship to go against it. Reylo and Snowbarry are good example of this. We call them racist ships cause they were made to erase a black character from their romantic relationships whether it’s canon or heavily shipped in the fandom like Finnrey. Reylo was very much created to keep Finn away from Rey and you can tell by how racist Reylo shippers are to Finn and his actor John. Snowbarry was created before the show even aired on TV when only the trailer was out after it was announced Iris was casted as a black girl. Reylo shippers and Snowbarry shippers act the same way to Finn and Iris. And I see this in the Static Shock fandom with the ship Hotgear Hotstreak X Richie. Hotgear was very much created to go against Virichie in the same way Reylo and Snowbarry were except they’re not all that toxic and racist to Static but it’s still very much erases Static in his own story, his own fandom and is white prioritization or white favorism. 

White prioritization is when white characters are prioritize over characters of color despite the characters of color being more important like being the main character like Static. Static Shock is a black lead cartoon when it comes to diverse media you shouldn’t be shipping the only 2 white characters together unless it’s canon cause its racist to only focus on the only white characters in a diverse show. Virichie has no way or power to become canon but Hotgear was very much created to go against cause its heavily shipped in the fandom. Even if not all Hotgear shippers are racist it’s the existence of the ship that’s racist. It doesn’t need to exist. Same with Reylo and Snowbarry. You don’t have to ship Virichie but you don’t need create and ship a rival ship to go against it especially if it made to erase a black character.

This is apart of Fandom racism. Fandom racism is the rejecting of diversity in fandoms and media and the attempt to push characters of color and fans of color out of fandoms to focus on white people, white characters and white fans. Refusing to ships with black characters is apart of Fandom racism.

And it doesn’t matter what type of relationship a black character is in. It doesn’t matter if its a black man with a white girl, it doesn’t matter if its a black girl with a white guy, it doesn’t matter if its a gay, straight or bi ship. It doesn’t matter if its a black character with another person of color. It doesn’t matter if its a black character with another black character. It also doesn’t matter if it’s canon, hinted/being built up to be canon or meant to be canon or canon in past or other materials like comics. It also doesn’t matter if its some what popular, shippable and well liked, it will get hate, backlash and have the least fan content.

For the black man with white girl part I was thinking of Finnrey and Karolsen. Sure black man are paired up with white women alot in media but never in a big sci fi franchise like Star Wars. Comics do it alot too but never in comic adaptations like the Supergirl TV show. The racist backlash to Finnrey and Karolsen is why I don’t care that black men and white women are paired alot with each other but I do agree media should do other types of interracial relationships besides them. 

Finn and Rey actually were going to get together but Disney decide against, most likely cause of the racist backlash. The worst part is that Finn and Rey didn’t even get together, and racists were still threatened by a black man being with a white girl. Besides being meant to be canon, it was just a strong possibility that Finn and Rey were going together and that drive’s them crazy. To this day they’re still racist about Finn. Racist fans treated Finn and James like they were the Black brute trope. Like they were sexual threats to white women which is apart of the Black brute trope but they’re the nicest, sweetest guys in their series.

For the black girl with white guy part I was mostly thinking of Westallen but also Thorkyrie and any time a black girl is paired with a white guy. I’ve made posts about this before with Winx Club about how black women hardly get to be the love interest or get to have a love interest especially a non black love interest. And by love interest I mean the endgame love interest cause the few times they get to be a love interest they’re not the endgame love interest and the white character they were a love interest to gets with a white love interest. A very good example of this is Danny Phantom with Valerie and Danny and how he got with Sam. We call this the Disposable Black Girlfriend trope or Disposable Black love interest trope cause it happens to black men too. 

Back to Westallen remember when I said people will straight up say a interracial ship is incest. They do this to Westallen all the time just because Iris’s dad Joe took Barry in when his mom died and his dad was arrested. Barry only see’s Joe as a father figure. Barry and Iris don’t see or think of each other as siblings. They never acted as siblings. The show never states that they’re siblings just best friends. I’m against incest ships too but Westallen isn’t incest. Keep in mind that Iris has always been Barry’s love interest in the comics, y’know other material. People never had a problem with their relationship until Iris was black.

For the gay bi ships part I was thinking of Dansen and Thundergrace. The Arrowverse has alot of femslash ships but the ones with white women are the only ones that are really popular and some of them aren’t even canon. The Supergirl TV fandom likes to act like they were queerbaited and that there was no lesbian representation but they weren’t queerbaited and there is lesbian representation with Kelly and Alex but since Kelly is black they don’t care, almost as if she don’t count as representation cause she’s black. Kelly and Alex even got married at the end of the show how’s that not representation ?  Its a example of how when people say they want LGBT representation they mean white LGBT representation.

This is getting too long so its time to talk about the most important part so really listen to this part. This isn’t about shipping, this is about a pattern in fandoms in how black characters are treated. Its about how you think black characters are unworthy of being loved. Its about how if this is how you feel about and treat fictional black characters then how do you feel about and treat real black people outside of fandoms ? You probably don’t treat real black people good. If this is how you feel about and think about fictional interracial couples than how do feel and think about real interracial couples ? Probably not good. This is about how black fans and fans of color feel unsafe and unwelcome in fandoms. 

We live in a society were white people are the default cause they made themselves the default. So when white people are not the focus they get mad. Which is why ships with black characters are less popular cause fandoms are very white dominant. By always attacking black characters and ships with black characters has made black fans and fans of color feel unsafe and unwelcome in fandoms making them leave fandoms or have low interacts in fandoms causing black characters and ships with black characters to have less fan content and be less popular. Black fans are the pillars that hold up black characters and ships with black characters up besides unracist white fans. Black fans and fans of color support ships with black characters and characters of color more than white fans. They are more likely to support them than white fans. I have seem white fans shipping Virichie but the major are black fans since it’s a major black fandom. Some of the most recent Virichie fan art have been by white fans. There are Pick me POCs/ White align people of color with internalized racism that are racist to other fans of color and characters of color and its important to point them out cause they are just as hurtful and racist as racist white people.

Virichie being so popular with everyone is so important. The only time I’ve seen a whole fandom ship a interracial ship is the WordGirl fandom with Tobecky (WordGirl X Tobey). Interracial ships with black characters aren’t that popular. Gay bi slash interracial ships like Virichie are especially not popular. The closest I’ve seen be popular is Finnpoe from Star Wars. Virichie being popular is a good thing. The only problems I have with Virichie is that alot of fan content mainly alot of fanfics focuses more on Richie and his point of view of the relationship than Virgil. This is the slight White prioritization towards Richie I mention earlier. I’ve only seen one person point this problem out. There’s only a few fanfics that focus on Virgil’s point of view on the relationship. I like it when there’s fics that give both of their point of views. Like what does Virgil think of being in a relationship with Richie ? How does he feel about liking his best friend ? I also don’t like how it dominants the fan content for Static Shock especially fanfics. There’s almost no gen fanfics and the gen fics that are there are unfinished most likely abandon. Virichie has good fanfics but I don’t always read fics for shipping so it’s a bit annoying.

Virichie being popular is a good thing. Characters of color in general get screwed by shipping but black characters get it much worst. The only time I see characters of colors being in popular ships are light skin east Asian characters especially from Asian media like anime and Latino/Hispanic characters. Shipping is a big part of fandom, it can say some things about a person. Ship what you want but don’t be surprised when people think you’re racist for refusing to ship ships with black characters and interracial ships with black characters especially when there’s nothing wrong them and black fans are okay with them. There’s nothing wrong with Virichie, there’s nothing with Friegil (Static X Frieda ) there’s nothing wrong with Karolsen, there’s nothing wrong with Finnrey, there’s nothing wrong with Dansen and there’s nothing wrong with Westallen and other interracial ships with black characters that get alot of hate for no reasons other than racism.

[bitchypuppystarlight]

It’s quite freeing to come to the point in your fandom life where you don’t feel the need to argue with everyone who sees something different about your favorite show/character/ship/storyline.

It’s even better when you get to the point where you can read an opposing viewpoint and acknowledge that their views are valid and worth sharing.

It doesn’t mean they have changed your mind, only that they’re not wrong either.

Or even better still, when someone with an opposing viewpoint is able to make you see something in a way you never have before and it changes the way you consume media.

The best, however, is when you’ve finally reached the fandom age where you don’t go looking for reasons to be upset and create drama because it gives you a dopamine high.

[fezwearingjellybananas]

❤️💛💚💖 for the Flash 👀

❤: Which character do you think is the most egregiously mischaracterized by the fandom?

I feel like egregiously it has to be Iris. It might be a minority of people but it's 2024 and I still see anti Iris tags when looking for fic from people cross in canon Barry ended up with his wife. Arrow did do the s1 seems to be setting up the comic canon couple and then dropped it, but Westallen was always endgame for Flash, and Candice Patton was excellent in her role.

There's also this thing I have noticed which partly ties into the next question because I very rarely read Barry/Snart fics, but occasionally I do open one and oh Leonard's secretly been a good guy the whole time, this is a rob the rich to feed the poor situation, he's giving back to the community and like, I get it. They don't want to be writing the killed people on screen in his first appearance Snart but his redemption arc predominantly happens over on Legends and then he's not in Central to be dating Barry, but sometimes I do look at the Snart characterisation and wonder if they have ever looked up comics Hartley Rathaway, I think they would like him.

💛: What is a popular ship you just can't get behind, and why?

Barry/Snart I think there have been a few treated Iris badly fics that put me off, so I have to be in a specific mood and I'm very quick to back out if Iris is treated badly, but it won't completely put me off a fic like it used to, it's just not really something I'm super interested in.

Likewise Cisco/Harry. I don't really have a why, it's just not a ship I have any interest in

💚: What does everyone else get wrong about your favorite character?

I think canon is actually the thing to blame, to justify needing Team Flash Barry's own intelligence and maybe competance is sometimes forgotten about. S5 has a good example: "yes we definitely need this new Wells to investigate because the CSI, investigative reporter, detective, and PI we already have here can't do it for some reason"

💖: What is your biggest unpopular opinion about the series?

I don't know if this one is unpopular, but I'm bringing up the ableism in the Flash and the wider Arrowverse again. Compare DeVoe giving himself powers for evil reasons which leaves him needing a wheelchair versus Felicity gets a microchip to fix her paralysis. Breaking their own rules to give Savitar Barry a facial disfigurement versus now reformed Leonard Snart getting to fully regrow an amputated hand. DID is a convient excuse because we can't just bring Caitlin back for s4 with no consequences after what she did in s3. Ignore how we already did the split personalities but one is bad in s3 with Frankie/Magenta. Hartley's going to turn his hearing aids into bombs in s1 then we'll just forget about the tinnitus forever I guess. The mental health care system on Earth-2 is apparently like that and that's normal. I'm sure there's so many more examples.

Thank you!

[Asks]

[shipperoffanonships]

Toxic fandom ship war rant

Look, I understand people's preferences in ships, I really do. But what I hate, what people NEED to stop doing, is biting the heads off of those who don't share their opinions. Prime example is The Flash. Some people are on Team Snowbarry (including yours truly) while others are Team WestAlllen. Pro-Snowbarry team is like "Barry has ZERO chemistry with Iris" etc. but that's it. That's where it (mostly) ends. But the Pro-WestAllen are all like "TF is wrong with you they do have chemistry have your mental status checked yadda yadda yadda" like dude, seriously? It's called "opinion" for a reason. Another one is Jeid. Same problem: Pros (like me) are just like "they look so cute together we wish they were canon" then all the antis are like "NO. STOP SHIPPING THEM. SHIP THEM AND WE'LL END YOU." Again in Stranger Things. Ronance vs. Steddie? The amount of toxicity (mostly on Team Steddies end) is ASTRONOMICAL.

[fandomlife-confessions]

[gritsandbrits]

[theflashcwconfessions]

Regarding the WA fight. I made a mistake of going into #Nora tag. Tons of crap poured on Barry, Iris is of course a perfect angel and totally right about everything, Caitlin/Danielle is a bitch and can't act...Basically, normal stuff. But then one "genius" started blaming Barry's "abhorrent" behavior on writers being racist whites. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!! We've had to live through 4 seasons of WA bullshit and writers are suddenly white racists because Barry - oh my god - acted on his emotions?!!! WTF?

Aonnymous

[whittyhuton-wuldtoor]

I know in 2019 I wouldn’t still bring up some non wedding crashers in a scene that involved said “crashers” best friend when one half of the original wedding party casually let a speedster nazi roam free and that same man ruined half of his daughter’s life and career, but that’s just me.

Then there was that whole season where an alternate version of the little cross country boy sought out to kill his own future wife and would have succeeded if the wife wasn’t the brains and the brawn of the duo....

[romanogersgirl]

Why Snowbarry is Endgame: Part 1

Here is a list of 5 reasons why Snowbarry will be endgame on The Flash. Make no mistake, this won't be a list of things you have already heard, this is a summary of why the show will make them endgame.

1. Their bond is unbreakable.

Despite the writers forcing them to stay apart for WA drivel, their writing speaks for itself. They can't write Snowbarry bad because the chemistry is still there. Can't ignore what's natural. The ad libs Grant and Danielle have given each other with those obvious glances and matching clothes. Nothing will rip them apart just because the show runners have tried to separate their friendship. I can't wait for SDCC. Granielle will be epic.

2. Because the producers can't lie anymore where PR is concerned.

Have you noticed all the show has done for past couple seasons is force PR WA everywhere they can? Bumper trailers, Grant's forced promotion of WA and IW on twitter and in public. The show is going above and beyond for the least liked character gradually since the start. They know deep down when they promote the show with WA it has to be with multiple high stakes involved, story lines like a crossover in order for them to "succeed" in this stupid ship. They know WA can't survive on its own, so they get fucktarded with how they brand it. They know it doesn't sell, unless they really are that stupid. They have learned whenever they promote the show with OTF (Caitlin, Cisco and Barry), they score major ratings and praise. When everything else has failed they have no choice but to give the public what they want.

3. CP no longer has any power over the show runners.

Has anyone paid attention to CP on SM lately? Sad selfies, dead birds, overall whining in general, nothing all that positive for someone who was pretty much all over Season 3 and especially Season 4. She is exhibiting signs of someone depressed and lost. The fact that she unfollowed the official TF account and DP speaks volumes. Her stans love to say it's because she dgaf anymore. She does. Way more than anyone should. Her tweets as of late have shown someone in a darker place. DP should be the one who is pissed for how they treated CS and KF, but she is not. CP had Season 4 just for her and she is not even the star. Everyone's character had to be reduced to nothing so she can become some kind of false deity. Doesn't seem that way anymore given her current state of mind.

4. Caitlin is getting a story line she deserves for once.

As a Snowflake, Frostie and Fanabaker, I am beyond thrilled for DP that she is finally receiving a story arc we all wanted her to get as soon as the first traces of Killer Frost came. DP has put up with so much shit for far too long. Online and through her character. From a grieving widow, losing the man she loved twice, to losing Barry as a friend and the team's emotional support, it seemed like the writers were punishing Caitlin for no reason when we know she is so much more than what they give us. We've all been waiting to learn about her family, her dad and her brother Charlie, even more about her mom. There is a deeper story waiting to be explored and it's about fucking time.

5. The WA's have become worse than they were when they were only just branding us all as racists for our ship.

They know their ship and character suck. They wouldn't keep coming at us if it wasn't true. They wouldn't bother trolling the anti tags or stalking the CS and Snowbarry tags. They even bully us on our fan fiction, which they know is far superior to theirs. We dominate all the top fan fiction sites, our stories have the most reads, comments and votes. They can't stand that shit, we are united in our love, nothing is going to tear us down and that hurts WAs egos so much. They even go as far as hacking personal accounts, (remember when Grant's attorneys had to get involved when one special WA got a hold of Grant's personal cell and forced her to cease and desist?) anything they can get their hands on to bully us. It's beyond just telling us Snowbarry won't happen, they don't get how silly they sound when they stalk us every day spewing the same rhetoric. WAs know the end is near for their ship. All this low class behavior just makes me ship Snowbarry even more. I'm proud to be a shipper, and I know because of the reasons stated above, we will see our endgame.

Stay tuned for the next part coming up real soon.

[maggiencpdsawyer-blog]

Of course the Supercorp Shippers would get blamed for shit they didnt do. So again, Some Kermlins and WestAllen/Iris Stans are accusing supercorp shippers of being racist because supposedly Supercorp shippers are saying they were boycotting black lightning (Which By the way, No supercorp shipper even said) because BL is forcing the Legends to take up Supergirls night? That is just hilarious and makes Zero Sense. Why would the Supercorp fandom, the people who are happy about the Nine Week hiatus, Say they would Boycott BL because of it?

If you couldnt tell, these are karamel shippers here, not supercorp. These are Karamel shippers who are showing a big distaste for BL because of the hiatus.

These are supercorp shippers who are excited about the hiatus and Supercorp shippers who are excited for BL. So why are people trying to accuse them of not wanting to watch BL because of the hiatus? Why are people bullying the fandom off of rumors? If your going to accuse a whole fandom for something like this than you should bring some actual proof and facts before doing so other wise its going to make you look like a dick who is just trying to start shit. I could easily get more screenshots of the Supercorp fandom saying they were excited for black lightning and how they were excited for the hiatus but I legit threw this together in 10 minutes and these were the only screen shots I had.

[supermanliveson]

if theres something i found funny about westallen fans is that they were celebrating when hartley was fired beacuse he is "racist" but candice also made weird tweets from the same time as hartley (early 2010s) and was literally besties with him. check his instagram. she appears there more than any other cast member. if he is so terrible than so is she

They wouldn't be WA stans if they weren't total hypocrites.

[abberryyang]

Me before it was revealed that Guggenheim is a sexist, misogynistic, pig to every female character:

Me after it was revealed that Kreisberg sexually harasses his female co-workers, real women, and has been getting away with it for years:

Me when I found out Kreisberg is already on suspension:

Me after it was revealed that Guggenheim has approved of Kreisberg’s behavior and is jealous of him; and is also a sexist, misogynistic, pig to *real women*:

Me protecting Katie Cassidy and Danielle Panabaker from the stans trying to accuse them of sleeping into their jobs:

Me when Guggenheim thinks he is safe from being on the on the chopping block:

Me now that they are both going on the chopping block:

[gracerings]

so I wanted to reblog some gifsets from the arrowverse crossover and I made the stupid mistake to check the crisis on earth x tag and I’m mad at myself honestly because I know better than checking any hashtags when it comes to any of the dctv shows. they’re only ever filled with hate.. it must be really tiring to hate on everything all the time jfc. and like, the worst part is that 90% of the hate is about ships and directed towards female characters. like WHY DO Y’ALL HATE WOMEN SO MUCH. we can never win, can we? so felicity is a selfish bitch because she interrupted the westallen wedding, iris is a boring useless burden because all she does is whine about her wedding and she dared getting married after stein’s funeral. sara is a hoe because she fucked alex. I don’t even know what y’all are saying about kara, caitlin, dinah, amaya and zari and I don’t wanna know. but seriously get the fuck over yourselves, WHO TF CARES IF OLICITY AND WESTALLEN GOT MARRIED AT THE SAME TIME. barry and iris only wanted to be married, they didn’t care anymore about a full ceremony, same goes for oliver and felicity, and they’re friends, they sure as hell didn’t mind getting married together. why can’t you just be happy for them, what does it change that diggle said two more names in the same moment, I JUST DON’T GET IT.

[antiwestallenstans]

My faith in humanity just plummeted when a WA fan said I have no right to consider myself a person of color, because I don't ship WA, as if that's what defines who I am. I think you can imagine the expression on my face right now.

I think that WA fan needs to get a good hard course in reality, because that is absolutely disgusting of them. They just can’t stop proving their shallowness.

[shewhotellsstories]

Kat Graham, Candice Patton, Mehcad Brooks, and Azie Tesfai all deserve so much better.

I’d pretty much given up on TVD by this point but I saw some screen shots on twitter a few weeks back that said circa 2016 Delena stans leaked Kat’s phone number, which is just awful. But I vividly remember reading the youtube comments (clearly I’m a masochist) in high school and seeing Bonnie get called a judgemental bitch for so much as breathing wrong at the Salvatore brothers. Never-mind that they frequently brought death and danger into her life.

And the cherry on top of this sundae of fandom racism. The actors who are literally just doing a job have to see the things you demons tweet at them. And it seems like they don’t get much support from the network. 

Again, they all deserve so much better.