#christian vegetarianism

[santmat]

The Vegetarian Christians of Early Christianity - Spiritual Awakening Radio Podcast

One thing that might be rather surprising to most people that can be learned by doing a study of the gospels, acts and other literature of the Hebrew Christians -- the Ebionites -- the Christianity that Existed Before Paul -- is that, rather than some imagined Sunday school notion of a fish market in the village of Galilee being operated by the disciples of Jesus, there is significant evidence that the Original Jesus Movement and well-known apostles became vegetarians. And furthermore, this vegetarianism of the disciples and Jesus Movement is fairly widely known and mentioned by the early church fathers. It's not that this information is coming from recently discovered writings dug up in the Middle East. Rather, these are old texts that have been with us since the early days of Christianity but didn't seem all that meaningful and significant to a pro-meat carnistic population. Vegetarians however would indeed be most interested finding this out! (Peace be to you)

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"Jacobus [James], the brother of Jesus, lived of seeds and vegetables and did not accept meat or wine." (Saint Augustine)

"The consumption of animal flesh was unknown up until the great flood. But since the great flood, we have had animal flesh stuffed into our mouths. Jesus, the Christ, who appeared when the time was fulfilled, again joined the end to the beginning, so that we are now no longer allowed to eat animal flesh." (pro-vegetarian early church father Hieronymus [St. Jerome] who apparently read the Gospel of the Hebrews and was influenced by Ebionite views)

"Sacrifices were invented by men to be a pretext for eating flesh." (Clement of Alexandria)

"The steam of meat meals darkens the spirit. One can hardly have virtue if one enjoys meat meals and feasts. In the earthly paradise [Eden], no one sacrificed animals, and no one ate meat." (Saint Basil the Great)

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[onancientpaths]

I've seen a couple people respond to my posts on Christian vegetarianism by saying that animals were created by God to be food for humans.  ("If not, what is their purpose?") While this is a Christianized appropriation of Aristotle that has some support in the later church tradition, it strikes me as completely inconsistent with clear biblical and patristic data. 

However we are to interpret the Genesis narratives, a few things stand out about the creation of animals:

(1) In Genesis 1 they are created and pronounced "good" even before human beings are created.

(2) In Genesis 2 they are created after human beings, but the explicit reason that God creates them is to be companions to humans: "The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals."

(3) In the (in)famous section where humans are granted dominion over the animals, it is explicitly stated that they are only to eat seed-bearing plants, so that their dominion does not originally include eating of the animals.

(4) Although Noah and his descendants are given permission to eat animals in Genesis 9, this is explicitly understood by, e.g., St Basil the Great and St Jerome, to be a condescension to human need and weakness and not part of the original ideal for humans.

[cardigansbell]

[aniah-who]

Shakshuka (:

During my time in Israel, I happened across an eggy-tomato breakfast dish that changed my life forever. I had no idea what it was called then, but once back at the states, I scrambled all over the internet until I discovered it’s name and found a recipe that spoke to my soul. Now I can savor the taste forever.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is my first take on Shakshuka 🍅

[apenitentialprayer]

It is interesting to note that fasting during Lent originally consisted of a strict vegetarian or vegan diet. It was only in the eighth century that dietary restrictions were reduced to abstinence from meat alone, albeit fish was tolerated. Jerome (Epistulae, CVII, 10), for instance, allowed the consumption of fish provided that it remained occasional. As a result, fish gradually became the Lenten food par excellence. This raised the concern that it may have undermined the ascetic nature of the fast. For instance, in a fifth-century treatise on the contemplative life, the priest Julianus Pomerius (De vita contemplativa, II) expressed his worry vis-à-vis the overindulgence of fish, which he considered to be in opposition to the spirit of Lent.

Carl Frayne (On Imitating the Regimen of Immortality or Facing the Diet of Mortal Reality: A Brief History of Abstinence from Flesh-Eating in Christianity)

[illustratinglaura]

I'm normally not into war movies but I saw a clip from Hacksaw Ridge. A vegetarian Christian sawing people without killing anyone? A A PACIFIST CHRISTIAN VEGETARIAN HERO? How did I miss this?I neeeed this movie NOW!

(Also, Andrew Garfield? Yes please.)

(Also: you bet I'm gonna use screen shots from this movie as reference for Remus.)

[alchemistys]

bobby is this a christianity metaphor😭😭

[sky-daddy-hates-me]

Weird ramble ahead, but vegan and vegetarian Christians confuse me so much. Like, didn't your god literally favour the animal sacrifices of Able over the vegan options provided by Caine?

Also , didn't your god demand animal sacrifices because he found the aroma pleasing?

Didn't he literally sacrifice an innocent sheep/goat just so Abraham wouldn't actually kill his own son because god asked him to?

Didn't he kill hundreds of innocent horses in the red sea because they were being used by the Egyptians to pursue moses?

Didn't your god wipe out almost every single animal on the planet because the humans were being a bit too rebellious for his liking?

Didn't he have his followers paint their door frames in lambs blood so an angel wouldn't kill them?

Didn't he give the Israelites quails to eat when they bitched about the vegan manna?

Your god has killed far more animals than me, so please leave me and my food alone.

[spiritualawakeningradio]

Vegan and Veg Passages From Unexpected Sources (Middle East, and Christianity)

Image Above: Abu al-ʿAlaʾ al-Maʿarri (973–1057) Vegan, Secular Philosopher, Born in Syria:

“Do not unjustly eat fish the water has given up,

And do not desire as food the flesh of slaughtered animals,

Or the white milk of mothers who intended its pure draught

for their young, not noble ladies.

And do not grieve the unsuspecting birds by taking eggs;

for injustice is the worst of crimes.

And spare the honey which the bees get industriously

from the flowers of fragrant plants;

For they did not store it that it might belong to others,

Nor did they gather it for bounty and gifts.

I washed my hands of all this; and wish that I

Perceived my way before my hair went gray!”

Vegetarian Saying of Jesus from An Early Aramaic Manuscript of the Gospel of Luke

There’s a very old Syriac-Aramaic manuscript of the Gospel of Luke that even predates the Syriac Peshitta called Evangelion da-Mepharreshe. It contains some “textual variants”, differs from the Greek gospel manuscripts, and the now standardized, conformist approach used by most New Testament translators. There are two surviving editions of Evangelion da-Mepharreshe, the Curetonian Version of the Four Gospels as well as the Sinai Palimpsest, also known as The Old Syriac Gospels. Evangelion da-Mepharreshe represents a translation and “one of the earliest witnesses”* of an even older collection of gospel manuscripts that no longer exist but once were “in circulation between the second and the fifth centuries”*.:

“Now beware in yourselves that your hearts do not become heavy with the eating of flesh and with the intoxication of wine and with the anxiety of the world, and that day come up upon you suddenly; for as a snare it will come upon all them that sit on the surface of the earth.” — Yeshua, Luke 21:34

*Note: Page xviii, “Peshitta New Testament, The Antioch Bible English Translation”, Gorgias Press, discussion from the Preface about the history of the early Syriac-Aramaic manuscripts of the gospels.

“Probably the most interesting of the changes from the familiar New Testament accounts of Jesus comes in the Gospel of the Ebionites description of John the Baptist, who, evidently, like his successor Jesus, maintained a strictly vegetarian cuisine.” (Prof. Bart D. Ehrman, Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew, pp. 102, 103)

“The consumption of animal flesh was unknown up until the great flood. But since the great flood, we have had animal flesh stuffed into our mouths. Jesus, the Christ, who appeared when the time was fulfilled, again joined the end to the beginning, so that we are now no longer allowed to eat animal flesh.” (St. Jerome, Latin name Eusebius Hieronymus, 345–420 A.D., Christian monk and scholar whose outstanding work was the production of the Vulgate, the principal and official Latin translation of the Bible)

Jerome knew about the Gospel of the Hebrews and early Ebionite Christian sects who were vegetarians. He embraced their views about ethical vegetarianism.

For More About Vegan and Vegetarian Ethics Among the World Religions, including Christianity by the way, see the Vegan Section of my E-Library: https://santmatradhasoami.blogspot.com/2019/01/vegan-and-vegetarian-ahimsa-non_8.html

“The steam of meat meals darkens the spirit. One can hardly have virtue if one enjoys meat meals and feasts. In the earthly paradise [Eden], no one sacrificed animals, and no one ate meat.” (Saint Basil the Great)

VEG/VEGAN Podcasts

PODCAST: Vegetarian Sayings of Jesus: 

https://youtu.be/tg6c14De__s

PODCAST: The Vegetarian Apostles and Scriptures of the Original Jesus Movement...& Prayers for a Vegan World:

 https://youtu.be/LfuezdWESNo

PODCAST: Loaves Without The Fishes in Early Christian Writings (Loaves Before the Fishes Got Added to 2nd Century Greek Manuscripts):

https://youtu.be/wUwVahvj3sU

PODCAST: The Karmic Law of the Vegetarian Diet by Hazur Baba Sawan Singh... Simran Practice... and Sach Khand: 

https://youtu.be/jqJkO_sxbxI

PODCAST: The Ebionites Recognized Those in India Who Worship the One God, are Vegetarians, and Follow Ahimsa: 

https://youtu.be/L3aNyo_XUdM

PODCAST: The Vegetarianism of Guru Nanak and the Sikh Scriptures: 

https://youtu.be/wx7oM5j5n-U

PODCAST: Vegetarian Sayings of Jesus, Rumi, Rabia & Bawa Muhaiyaddeen in Sufi Islamic Sources: 

https://youtu.be/PTW5XN5Sqls

PODCAST: World's Oldest Passages Referring to Being VEGAN:

https://youtu.be/UzwluCLITX4

[santmat]

"In the Gospel of John, Jesus physically drives herds of animals out of the Temple courtyard using a whip. It is an incredibly powerful visual image. Yet in all the years of that I have listened to the story of Jesus at the Temple, I have never heard anyone focus on this compelling scene. The overturning of the currency tables seems to be what is stuck in the Christian consciousness, and yet the most dramatic and chaotic event in this incident is clearly the freeing of the animal herds."

-- Kamran Pasha, Was Jesus a Vegetarian? After lengthy research, I have become convinced that Jesus Christ himself was in all likelihood a vegetarian, and that vegetarianism was probably a central tenet of the early Christian community. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/was-jesus-a-vegetarian_b_276141

[onancientpaths]

According to Eusebius, fourth century bishop and church historian, St James was vegetarian from birth: "James, the brother of the Lord, succeeded to the government of the Church in conjunction with the apostles. He has been called the Just by all from the time of our Saviour to the present day; for there were many that bore the name of James. He was holy from his mother's womb; and he drank no wine nor strong drink, nor did he eat flesh." (Ecc. History II:23)

According to the earlier St. Clement of Alexandria, St. Matthew was also vegetarian: "It is far better to be happy than to have a demon dwelling with us [the "belly-demon"]. And happiness is found in the practice of virtue. Accordingly, the apostle Matthew partook of seeds, and nuts, and vegetables, without flesh." (The Instructor II:1)

Clement also says elsewhere (Stomata 7.6) "But I believe sacrifices were invented by men to be a pretext for eating flesh." St Basil the Great is clear that eating meat was not intended for humans, but was granted only as a condescension to human weakness: "[In paradise] there was not yet any slaughtering of animals, not yet any eating of meat...After the flood, 'you will eat all kinds of things, like you eat vegetables that grow from the ground.' When perfection was despaired, then the enjoyment of those things was allowed." (On Fasting, sermon 1)

St. Jerome was even stronger on this point, and draws the implication that Christians should not, in general, eat meat: "...just as divorce according to the Saviour's word was not permitted from the beginning, but on account of the hardness of our heart was a concession of Moses to the human race, so too the eating of flesh was unknown until the deluge. But after the deluge, like the quails given in the desert to the murmuring people, the poison of flesh-meat was offered to our teeth. The Apostle writing to the Ephesians teaches that God had purposed in the fullness of time to sum up and renew in Christ Jesus all things which are in heaven and in earth. Whence also the Saviour himself in the Revelation of John says, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending. At the beginning of the human race we neither ate flesh, nor gave bills of divorce...Thus we reached the deluge. But after the deluge, together with the giving of the law which no one could fulfil, flesh was given for food, and divorce was allowed to hard-hearted men...But once Christ has come in the end of time, and Omega passed into Alpha and turned the end into the beginning, we are no longer allowed divorce, nor are we circumcised, nor do we eat flesh, for the Apostle says, 'It is good not to eat flesh...'" (Against Jovinianus, I: 18)

[charismat1c-megafauna]

Functionally vegetarian but in an unlikable way where I dont think meat is murder I just think it tastes gross.

[sasssydaddy123]

Funniest argument against vegetarianism is "god made the animals for us to eat how could you go against that 🥺"

My brother in christ do you think i give a single fuck what your god thinks about me eating vegetables

[qlala]

anyway the takeaway from that last post is that i'm just going to start reassigning any characters from the flash that the cw wrote off as nondenominational protestants to new, different religions just to spice things up. barry is catholic now. i was going to do more but i actually can't think of anything that tops those four words in that order so i'm just going to end the post instead

[zevranunderstander]

hot take of the day: if a christian person is really obnoxious about how something someone else does is "a sin" or tells an obviously non-religious person that what they are doing is "a sin" in a condemning way they do not even understand the first fundamental thing about their own religion and it's sooooooooooooo exhausting to watch??

and im sorry like. even "woke" preachers who are like "this is not a sin" and "under those circumstances that is not a sin" idk man i never studied theology, but in christianity like. almost every fucking thing you do is a sin. it's so weird to me to watch "fundamentalist" christians point at a gay person and go "being gay is a sin so you go to hell!", dude, everything you do where you don't act exactly like jesus christ is a sin? like, bragging about how your child got a good grade in school because you want to rub it into another mom's face is a sin. not giving up your seat for a pregnant lady on the bus bc you had a shitty day is a sin. being impatient with a bad driver on the road is a sin. making jokes about how much you hate your wife? very very much a sin. the whole fucking point of the concept of christianity is that everyone sins all of the time because they are human. like?

and that doesn't even account for the fact that there is a complex debate about homosexuality in the bible among theological people and it also doesnt account for the fact that the idea of understanding what 'sin' is is meant for christians to teach them how *they* should live their lives and is not a dumb buzzword for them to throw at the heads of people who could not fucking care less lmaooo