#deiphobus

[incorrecthomer]

Diomedes: Where's Agamemnon? Odysseus: Don't worry, I'll find him. Odysseus, shouting: Menelaus sucks! Agamemnon, distantly: Menelaus is the best person ever! Fuck you! Odysseus: Found him. "Meanwhile" Lycaon: Where's Hector ? Deiphobus: Don't worry, I'll find him. Deiphobus, shouting: Paris is the best person ever! Hector, distantly: SHUT THE FUCK UP!

[moplopbool]

Priam & and the princes of Troy!

[littlesparklight]

Two different images in red figure imitation art for the same story beat; the return of Paris!

These are each heavily inspired by/based on a vase painting that I wanted to show, but I'm pretty sure I couldn't just go reposting them so; The upper art, that I made to reflect somewhat how Paris' return goes in my own fic 'verse (hence Paris' age), is based on this vase 203903 in the Beazley Archive. I've cut out two women reacting to the scene to the left of Priam (sisters?), and an old man with a phiale to the right of Artemis. To note, though, in Beazley the figure I made Artemis in my image is just identified as "woman with bow", Given several factors (she's present in the "protective deity" role in a vase of Menelaos and Paris' duel, Paris is a youth in this art and technically under her protection, she is Trojan aligned in the war) I think it makes sense that it might just straight up be Artemis, and that's why I chose to make her so.

The lower art I made to match the standard funeral games account, hence the altar and cult statue, and it's based on this vase 204407 in the Beazley Archive. I again cut out one of the two female figures to the left of Priam again, and turned the other one into Deiphobos. ;) I also am very much assuming that the figure to the right of Paris could be Hektor; in the vase art the whole upper part of this figure is lost, so we don't know if they were even male or female.

Please go check the vase arts out on the site! They're really neat and you totally should go see them. https://www. carc.ox.ac.uk/xdb/ASP/dataSearch.asp Just put the numbers I included in the "vase number" field and it'll give you the right ones.

[gangly-09]

these are the dynamics I'm getting

[tostealtimefromthefates]

Deiphobus, as Troy is burning: Wait a minute! How did this happen? We're smarter than this.

Cassandra: Apparently not.

[dilfaeneas]

Arisbe (Priams first wife and mother of his eldest son) doesn't seem thrilled with Hecub

[a-d-nox]

deiphobus, the trojan prince (asteroid 1867)

Deiphobus is another one of those Trojan heroes you can find in the Iliad. Most relevantly, Athena took the shape of Deiphobus to antagonize his brother, Hector, into staying in the battle and fighting Achilles. Believing that it was his brother, Hector threw his spear at Achilles but missed, when he turned to ask his brother for another spear "Deiphobus" was gone. Hector realized that it was the gods that messed with his mind - Achilles then killed Hector. After the death of Paris (which Deiphobus may have been involved in), Deiphobus was given Helen of Troy as his war boon. Helen, of course, objected - during the sacking of Troy, it was either Odysseus, Menelaus, of Helen herself who killed and mutilated Deiphobus. IN MY OPINION Deiphobus in a chart can indicate a) the theft of one's identity, b) where others assume you are behind something that you aren't, c) where you gain what people most desire, d) where others come to despise you, and/or e) bodily mutilation.

i encourage you to look into the aspects of deiphobus along with the sign, degree, and house placement. for the more advanced astrologers, take a look at the persona chart of deiphobus AND/OR add the other characters involved to see how they support or impede deiphobus!

OTHER RELATED ASTEROIDS: hektor (624), athene (881), pallas (2), achilles (588), paris (3317), helena (101), menelaus (1647), odysseus (1143), and ulysses (5254)!

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[theriverpointace]

got a new phone recently so sketchbook pics!!!

top left: apollo with cassandra and helenus; top right: paris, hector, and aeneas in modern outfits/costume ideas for paris the musical; bottom left: aphrodite and aeneas; bottom right: paris and deiphobus

[infp-denofdreams]

Some picrews for my favourite Trojan siblings

Hektor:

Paris:

Deiphobus

[incorrecthomer]

Hector: (sharpens the sword) Deiphobus: (polishes shield) Helenus: (reading quietly) Cassandra: (weaving tapestry) Hecuba, suspiciously: what have the four of you done Hector: nothing Cassandra: just keeping busy Helenus: killing time, you know, the usual Deiphobus: yeah! Hecuba: (narrows her eyes suspiciously but leaves) Hector: Cassandra: Helenus: Deiphobus: Deiphobus: she is definitely losing her touch Helenus: oh 100% Hector: should we let him down then Paris, taped to the ceiling, gagged, furious: mmh! Cassandra: not just yet, i prefer him up there

[hurricanes-art]

place your bets on who theyre gossiping about :0...

[littlesparklight]

Some headcanon thoughts on the Trojan royal family in Priam's era:

-All those kids? Definitely a trauma response/coping method from Priam. Sure, his whole family didn't get wiped out (he's got three brothers right beside him in the Iliad lol and they have sons themselves!) but that doesn't mean the near obsessive need for as many children as possible still isn't one.

-Since they married up until death, Hecuba hasn't just been his official queen and primary wife, but Priam's most loved one. (Consequently, he probably has basically no actual relationship to his secondary wives and concubines, who mostly can live their lives in their own miniature families with what children they might have. Hecuba probably has more of a relationship to all those additional women than her husband does!)

-He divorced Arisbe, daughter of Merops, because she was not going to accept being bumped down to a secondary status just because he had fallen in love with and found a "better" match in a Phrygian princess. So he finds her another marriage where she'll remain the sole/most important wife.

-While it's seriously unlikely Priam and Hecuba would be capable of being full time parents to +19 children, especially in any equal sort of fashion, I do think their children are the ones who actually got to know especially Priam as a father the most. They're both good to fair hands at being actual Parents, actually, but the favouritism is probably pretty obvious (good thing all the children undoubtedly have nurses, too).

-Talking of favouritism, Priam's sons by Hecuba (plus potentially another wife or two if we follow Hittite royal marriages where there can be secondary wives that can also have children eligible for the throne, but the concubines' are not) are probably the only ones eligible for the throne. It doesn't, however, mean you have to be child of Hecuba's to be shown favour or even become a favourite. Mestor is named in the Iliad as one of Priam's (dead) favourites, and we don't know who the mother is. She would not necessarily be Hecuba. Which means all the kids are aware that they all have an equal shot in gaining their father's attention, on some level.

-All the +50 (80? 100??) children probably form sibling/relationship constellations mostly contingent on how many siblings they have with their own mother, but not necessarily. Everyone, no matter the mother, probably has at least one half-sibling they're close with that might be a complete mystery to everyone else. Hence; Hektor being close to not just, say, Deiphobos and Paris but Kebriones and Mestor, and Paris being close to Lykaon.

-Deiphobos and Paris' relationship was shot from the start. Extremely obviously so if you go with the funeral games + murder attempt version! But I figure even in a more low-key reunion, they got off on the wrong foot to start with, Deiphobos not liking this RANDOM boy suddenly shoehorning himself into not just the family at large (could probably be acceptable), but as his full brother - and, more than that, taking some (as he saw it) of Hektor's attention away from him.

-Priam is, generally, a very accepting father. He can afford to be, having so many children; what does it matter if not all of them then live up to his personal expectations or social such? Grief, however, brings out all the edges; that is when he gets mean and any acceptance basically revoked, if only temporarily. If his anger has been stirred, it's somewhat similar, but not quite as sharply (especially not before the war, and especially especially not before Hektor's death).

-Hecuba spends the years between the birth to reunion low-key grieving Paris' "death". And so his survival is latched on all the more firmly. If one goes with the funeral games + murder attempt, where at least one version as we know it (one of the Alexander plays) has her wishing death on the slave/peasant who's upstaged her sons, she'd be even more guilty and relieved afterwards. Priam is less "obviously" affected, but his indulgence of his returned son afterwards is certainly testament enough to how he felt about having the infant exposed.

[15pantheons]

*Something crashes*  Paris: Shoot-  Hector: *running into the room in a panic* WHAT FELL?!  Deiphobus: *walking by the room calmly* What died?

[gangly-09]

iliad people tumblr do you have/know where to find takes about Deiphobos because I have my ideas but I just want to know what everyone else is thinking?

[battlinghurricanes]

Within my indulgent, almost baseless notion that Paris and Deiphobus are kinda friends and get along sometimes, I think nothing would bring them together like someone they mutually hate. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all, wonderful bonding for them both <3 Deiphobus would be just the best shit talker, clever and blatant and ruthless. Paris would be great at it too, but he'd also be the best gossip, sniffing out all the drama on someone. Whenever they come together in hating someone, they just eviscerate them, like there's nothing left ahsjkdfk

(even more so if the rest of the family also hates whoever they're going after lol. They're bad enough without any encouragement; if people have reason to sic them on someone it's a damn blood bath. I just think the Trojan fam deserves to be unified in petty meanness sometimes and Paris and Dei should be their flagship bullies)