so was that legitimately fake outrage at Watcher being "greedy capitalists" that people are now gonna go watch the try guys who are doing the exact same thing?? where's the outrage at their wealth and how they spend their money? why does Keith get people just watching him eat at expensive restaurants, but it's terrible seeing Steven go to expensive restaurants to eat food? it's got nothing to do with "the try guys did it better!!!" it's the fact that you got so outraged because of how much the economy is in shambles and people can barely afford food, let alone another streaming service, and now suddenly it's a great thing seeing the try guys be able to improve their situation with one!! I thought the whole point was that we didn't need another one!! what is it???
it's just obvious that they've both done similar things, but people are taking more issue with the creators of colour for daring to grow and move forward. EVEN AFTER THEY ALTERED THINGS AND GENUINELY APOLOGISED even whilst being fucking eviscerated online. and instead of being helped and understood by their white friends, they get fucking shaded by their friends with a sofa joke and "not to name names" bullshit
what is it with people of colour being left in the dirt by their white friends and/or costars???
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You know what I've been thinking? I ve been thinking that Atlus shot itself in the foot by honoring p2 and making the explosion on the bridge caused by the death arcana to happen on the same year as p2 instead of a few years later.
Because imagine this.If it had happened a few years later we could have this narrative:
After the events of p2 EP Nanjo, not satisfied with the resolution reached, decides to take Kandoris research(that he had previously saved and kept under lock so it wouldnt fall on the wrong hands), create an investigation team and fund further research regarding Shadows and the collective unconscious/the des of souls in hopes to find a better solution to the fragile situation the splitting of realities caused.
Unbeknownst to him (as the P1 team had no idea about the true extent of Nyx power, only having fought a small scrap of it in the form of the Snow Queen Mask) Nyx starts to take control of the minds of the scientists working for him who start to commit unethical experimentation in the name of the research to fulfill Nyx objective.
Eventually Nanjo finds about the unethical experimentation, including a future project regarding experimentation on children, and immediatelly shuts down the research, angering the group of scientists and causing the fights that eventually lead to the separation of the group who will go on to become the Kirijo group under the leadership of Kouetsu Kirijo.
They of course take/steal the research with them.
As Nanjo couldn't draw the media attention and risk the knowledge that his company was involved with unethical experimentation to come out Nanjo couldn't stop them and he had to play the card about how the separation was a mutual accord caused by a difference of interests while trying to find a way to close in and stop the Kirijo group from the shadows without the research leaking out even more (here's where he hires Baofu and Ulala and starts working with them to find a way to subtly bring the Kirijo group down)
This all comes to an end when the Kirijo lab explodes and all the research is seemingly lost.
Nobody knows what happened and everybody involved died in the accident.
No matter how much they search they can't find anything.
Not even the son of Kouetsu, Takeharu Kouetsu, who now that his father is dead has inherited the company seems to know anything (in part because Kirijo is keeping everything under wraps, in part because even they actually don't know what really happened. The only one who knows it's Ikutsuki and he's manipulating everyone).
So believing everything was truly lost and there's nothing more to do, ridden with guilt born from everything bad that happened since he decided to revive Kandoris research (he should have know anything related to THAT would need up this way, he should have known it was a terrible desicion, why did he have to be so arrogant to want to take everything in his hands...) Nanjo ceases and decides to focus on his company and watching over his own team and the p2 cast (keeping watch on them and making sure they don't accidentally bring the end of the world by recovering their memories)
But there's always something inside of him telling him to keep an eye on the Kirijo group, to not ignore them and he kinda does by maintaining close business relationships.
But it isn't enought.
He's not as as meticulous as he was before, as he should have been.
Thisakes him completely unprepared when the Fall happens years later.
And again nobody knows what happened, worst of all, everybody seems to have actually completely forgotten anything even happened.
But he knows.
He knows whatever happened was Persona/Shadow related so he once again turns his full attention to the Kirijo Group but this time he keeps a careful eye on the young heiress, Mitsuru Kirijo, as it's clear to him she isn't all that it seems.
He keeps his distance, not interfering, but staying watchful. Hoping to learn anything about what truly happened before acting seeing as how badly trying to take everything in his hand went last time.
And that's how Nanjo eventually learns about the Shadows ops (but funnily enough still knows nothing about the Fall being this the most guarded secret the Shadow ops, NO, SEES has).
And this narrative would have been great.
It would have been good way to keep everything connected ... IF ONLY the kirijo lab had happened a few years later.
By making it happen a few months after p2 it gives a very tiny widow of time for the fallout between the Nanjo and Kirijo groups to occur.
In fact it gives too little time for everything to happen considering P1 takes place in 1996.
By 1999 only 3 years have happened since the P1 cast found out about personas, shadows and defeated Kandori.
Only 3 years for the Nanjo group to start its research, a fallout to occur which ends up creating the Kirijo group AND then the Kirijo group doing everything they did until the formation of the death arcana and it's battle with Aigis on the bridge...
All of that in the span of just 3 years with everything in P2 happening at the same time.
And I KNOW I could change it.
I could move the dates a little to make everything fit better without really changing anything...
(Makoto losing his parents at the age of 8 instead of 4 for example doesn't really change anything. He would repress equally the same)
BUT changing the 10 years that Minato stored death inside of him feels SO WRONG.
It feels likes it's something quintessential to the narrative...AND I DONT KNOW WHY.
*coughcoughmaybeit'sjustmyfixationwithmultiplesof10coughcough*
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mv x er question that you may have answered. Where does their journey start since Arthur could have succumbed to the frenzied flame at any point on his journey and now doesn't remember much. Are they starting at the chapel of anticipation?
RIGHT NOW what i'm imagining is that arthur goes through the chapel like normal, dies to the grafted scion, and then when he wakes up afterwards in the cave (or maybe on the beach? they've never really explained how you get from the chapel to the cave so i like the interpretation that you were originally supposed to just wash up on the limgrave beach lol) john is there. i feel like that makes sense?
as in, the inciting incident that led to the flame finding him was probably waking up in the chapel, walking outside, and then immediately being pounced on and slaughtered by a fucked up abomination manspider. this i feel would be a pretty good straw that broke the camel's back in terms of making him (temporarily) go "fuck it why am i even bothering to try anymore. wtf did grace even want with me. no. i quit. call someone else i'm just gonna lie here and die."
HOWEVER the idea of him having been around as a tarnished for a little while before that is also very fun... possibly running into people who recognize him but that he doesn't know... hmm...
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Me and my siblings kept seeing velvet and veneer clips on TikTok and from there decided to rewatch the first movie and then the second and third for the first time.
And can I just say: THEY WERE FUCKING PHENOMENAL!!!!! I have no idea why the mainstream opinion is that they're cringe. Like sure there's some cringe moments and I'm not a fan of all of the songs. But overall they are really, really good. Plus most things I love have cringe moments, it's inevitable.
The animation is soooooo good, and creative. Like the fucking design for all the places they go in the 'world tour' and 'band together' are so cooooollll. And just the overall stop motion/ scrap booking style is everything to me!! It makes me want to be creative and draw and actually do shitttt!! Like I'm obsessed!!
And the characters are amazing too!! I love them and their dynamics with each otherrr!! Just a bunch of cuties the lot of them!!
I LOVED the messages of 'worlds tour', like as it went on I was surprised by how mature it was. The development poppy has to go through is so REAL!! there are plenty of characters like her who never change in any way that matters. It's always "they didn't listen to anyone and did their own thing, but they were right so who cares?". And sure that works sometimes but not all the time and I just loved that they tackled that. Also then going after the "I don't see race" shit was sooo fucking nice. Also history being written by the winners. ITS JUST SO TASTY!!
AND IT WAS FUCKING FUNNY!! I'll admit it, I laughed a LOT, while watching those movies. Don't care if it's cringe, it's funny as hell.
And at this point I'm rambling, and I could ramble about so much more but I'll end it here.
I just gotta say if you are sitting on trolls because it's "cringe", literally just bite the bullet because you won't fucking regret it!!
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