#selfcest and incest are not the same

[afterartist]

I can’t believe I have to say this:

SWADMARE IS STILL INCEST

Just because they’re from different universes/multiverses does not change that fact

Same goes for other ships (bledgeup, palletjam, ect ect)

Even if they’re not related by blood but have grown up viewing the other as a sibling, or have grown up siblings in a separate universe, it’s still weird, the term Emotional Incest exists for a reason

So yes, Swadmare is weird and creepy, I hate the Swap-Dream universe in general solely because of this ship

Please stop asking me to draw Swadmare, please stop tagging me in Swadmare content, PLEASE stop taking my TikTok’s and using them IN Swadmare content

(This also, not as commonly, but goes for Mafiafell as well)

[lunatic-fandom-space]

honestly, i feel like 99% of the stigma around selfcest wouldve never even materialized if it was called literally anything else. bc i honestly feel like so much of that is just people going "ouguhogugjg the word is derived from incest which is bad so its bad as well", but if it was just called cloneshipping or au-shipping or some shit, no one would have an issue with it because otherwise theres quite literally nothing that could be considered problematic about the concept of it

[lpsgirl109]

Might get killed for saying this but I think there's something to be said about the way the MCU fandom treats sylki and doubleparker, and how sylki gets labeled as disgusting incest that Micheal Waldron should be ashamed of himself for even thinking about putting two versions of the same person in a romantic relationship, while doubleparker is largely just seen as hot and sexy and rarely ever deemed as incest, and how this fandom really only feels a need to make a big deal out of these things when they personally don't like it because when they like a thing it's perfectly fine and cool but when they don't like a thing there needs to be a moral reason why they don't enjoy it and why no one else should. Does this make sense

[thatsafuckeduptale]

I’m gonna level with u guys I don’t like selfcest

[the-sprog]

I know this isn't the same but another thing that's ticking me off so much about shipping from younger fans is the proship discourse. Not only because it's been stripped of all nuances and the actual meaning of the word, but because it's become some kind of peer review of the morality of every ship.

"is this a proship? I really like them together but if it's proship I'll stop shipping them" mfr it's selfcest idfk, but I think if you need someone else to decide whether or not you consider something morally ok, then you have bigger problems to worry about...

TikTokers are such pussies when it comes to ships. “B-but they’re not canon 🥺🥺🥺😭😭😖😖” honey back in my day we shipped characters from entirely different medias uphill both ways in the snow

[bluebunnysart]

About this blog (rules/guidelines)

Hi! This is a safe space where I (Bunny) put my art and talk about fandom stuff sometimes if I feel like it. Here are some rules (of thumb) so I don't have to repeat or explain myself too much. ^^ (Five)

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[doggysingularity]

NO more "would you fuck your clone" questions. we are ready for "would you fuck your twin".

[mistwithwings]

hi tumblr it's been 2 yrs... how u doing.

[treevore]

ok so i'm gonna have to watch foundation a good couple times bc my attention span rn is so fucking shot that i know i am missing things but one thing i am not missing is the potential for and implications of empirecest

i'm certain this won't become a weird thing for me

[do-you-ship-it-polls]

Which controversial ship is the best

Explanations under the cut!

Galadriel/Halbrand (Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power) 60 reblogs - 5614 words total.

I didn't read it but it's something about homophobia and racism and misogyny if you like or dislike the ship, i'm not sure which one.

Katara/Aang (Avatar The Last Airbender) 58 comments - 65 reblogs - 796 words.

The arguing actually happened on the Katara/Zuko poll, but it was about this ship. Mostly Zutara shippers complaining about Kataang shippers but i saw maybe 2 kataang shippers in the comments. I repeat: Kataang is on here because it was incredibly controversial on my blog

Laios/Toshiro (Dungeon Meshi) A few comments and reblogs, 228 words out of what I can count + someones 644 word post that was linked to me.

The reason for this is because I jokingly used the tag "shuro has the worst case of allistic disease i've ever seen", because the way he exploded at Laios reminded me of the experiences i've had with allistic people who secretly hate me but never told me. This means I hate asian people and think only white men can be autistic.

Shiro/Keith (Voltron: Legendary Defender) 43 comments

This ship is pseudo-incest and a man grooming a teenager because they met when Keith was an unspecified younger age and Shiro was an unspecified older age. I'm gonna pass away

Zim/Dib (Invader Zim) A few comments and an ask but it stopped quickly

I haven't watched Invader Zim, but I allowed it on the premise that Zim is seen as a child (because I don't like adult/child ships obv). But Zim's age is a big debate.

Yugi Mutou/Yami Yugi (Yu-Gi-Oh) Many reblogs saying the same thing about me

I haven't watched the anime. I saw the same guy twice with the same name and tagged it as "selfcest" incase someone had the tag filtered. This singular tag caused multiple comments and reblogs telling me that it's not selfcest and that it's offensive to DID systems to call it selfcest. I almost snapped here, honestly.

Time to vote! Explode my notes if you want, there's multiple good choices to pick from.

[meshaamem-li]

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I finished playing in stars and time I think I need a moment to process

[macrocest]

Cestember 2024

Cestember is a month long multifandom shipcest event with daily prompts and weekly suggested pairings hosted by Macrocest.

Prompts and FAQ below and on AO3:

Week One Suggested Pairing: Siblings

01. Wet Dreams 02. Voyeurism 03. Intercrural Sex 04. Bunk Beds 05. Fucking Machine 06. Threesome 07. Spanking

Week Two Suggested Pairing: Parent/Child

08. Student/Professor 09. Lingerie 10. Fantasy 11. Prostitution 12. Sex Toys 13. Tickling 14. Orgasm Denial

Week Three Suggested Pairing: Extended Family (e.g. cousins, uncles, grandparents, etc.)

15. Loss of Virginity 16. Objectification OR Somnophilia 17. Corruption 18. Glory Hole 19. Cockwarming 20. School Uniform 21. Accidental Incest

Week Four Suggested Pairing: Pseudocest (e.g. adopted siblings/children, step-siblings, step-parents, god-parents, incest roleplay, etc.)

22. Sexting 23. Hate Sex 24. Dubcon 25. Playing House 26.Cum Dump 27. Exhibitionism 28. Breeding

Week Five Suggested Pairing: Selfcest (e.g. past/future self, clone, multiverse version of themself, etc.)

29. Objectification OR somnophilia 30. Grooming

FAQs:

Q: Can I use different pairings than the suggested pairings? Like, could I do the same sibling pair the whole month through? A: Absolutely! They are only suggestions, you can use whichever pairing you want.

Q: The day for the prompt has already passed. Can I still write a fic? A: YES! You can still submit a work for any prompt that has passed. The AO3 collection will not close.

Q: Could I combine prompts? A: Yes.

Q: Will you reblog my post? A: Yes, we will reblog every fic on that tags our Tumblr account. Give us 72 hours to have it reblogged before reaching out to us about it. If we still have not reposted it in that time, then please feel free to DM or send us an ask about it.

Q: How should I incorporate the prompt into my work? A: Feel free to use the exact word/phrase in your work, or just use the prompt as a general idea. (Example: if the prompt is ‘not in the swimming pool!’ then you can use that as a quote from one of the characters, or simply write about a scene where something ensues that maybe shouldn’t be done in a swimming pool.)

Q: What is the word count requirement? A: There are no word count requirements! You can go as short or as long as you would like.

Q: Can we combine a prompt here with another event? A: Yes! As long as it follows the rules of both/all of the events!

Q: I have another question that wasn’t answered here. Is there somewhere else I can ask? A: Any other questions can be asked by sending us an ask on Tumblr or emailing us at microcest@pm.me

[vanglaggle]

i need people to STOP putting selfcest in the same category as incest and frans . it is NOT THE SAME........ IT'S NOT!!!! 😭😭😭😭 they're just the same guy!!!! 😭😭 STOP!!!!

[system-hottakes]

hot take but fictives of the same character/source dating/being married isnt selfcest or incest and its weird to say that it is

!!

[birdmitosis]

What are your opinions on selfcest?

(I need to answer so many asks in my inbox... I'm sorry this is late! I will be late again/some more!!)

But I really wanted to finally get around to this one because I actually have some very specific thoughts on selfcest, which is that I feel like it would be... not necessarily "more liked," because people like what they like and are into what they're into, people are squicked by what they're squicked by, etc... but seen as less scandalous if it didn't have "-cest" as part of the name.

To elaborate, I don't think it has any similarities to incest unless the specific individual characters in question outright do think of their "other selves" in a familial way. In many cases this just isn't the case, however -- the relationship doesn't map that way in canon itself, or the other selves are totally noncanonical in the first place. I can think of some exceptions (Galerians, where almost all the clones of one particular person think of one another as siblings, including the one who was raised separately and didn't know about any of that so doesn't feel a sibling bond with them but they still seem to consider him one) but in many cases, that's just not what's going on. It's clones, or a changeling, or a time loop, or a multiverse, or something else where the canon doesn't portray them as feeling any sort of familial bond -- and where sometimes the canon actually outright makes a point to show or talk about how different they are.

And to explain even further... I think my view on selfcest is influenced by the fact that for a couple of decades now, my views on selfhood have been such that... I don't think "self"cest inherently feels self enough to feel offputting to me, either. Yes, you can have situations where someone looks at a clone or alternate universe version of themself and goes "that's 100% me" in a way that never really treats the other like their own person, and in that case it wouldn't appeal to me... But even since I was a teenager, I've always considered that if one person was suddenly two people, the second person unavoidably becomes their own person from the moment of separation, the moment either of them says or does anything that starts to develop them in a different direction from the other. And a lot of the time "selfs" in selfcest are even more different than that: Think of the Spider-Verse movies, for instance, or the possible interactions between a Transformer and their alternate universe selves if you crossed some of the cartoons and comics together. Pavitr Prabhakar and Peter B. Parker just do not feel like the same person; neither do EarthSpark Arcee and Transformers Animated Arcee and IDW comics Arcee.

TL;DR though, uh, I have to assume you're asking me because of Slay the Princess. 😅 In which case that was a really long and roundabout way of saying... Honestly, I don't even think "selfcest" applies in STP. (Mostly, at least.) While the voices are all parts of the Long Quiet (and the vessels are all parts of the Shifting Mound), they are different enough people that they necessitate their own names, they have different relationships with one another, they disagree with one another to the point of dislike at times, their actions if they could act on their own would be VERY different, and especially once they have their own bodies I just don't register them as the same person anymore. And I truly think the game backs me up on this, because... the Shifting Mound and the Long Quiet also used to be the same being originally. Go back far enough and arguably any ship that isn't the Narrator/one of the other characters is selfcest! But it so doesn't feel that way to me, not even to the extent that most people mean it.

I have the occasional selfcest ship, but long story short, voices shipping and vessel shipping doesn't actually feel like selfcest to me at all* if that makes sense.

[damnfandomproblems]

Fandom Problem #5566:

People who act like selfcest is on the same level as incest or age gap ships baffle me. It’s quite literally a concept that cannot happen in real life. You will never encounter another version of yourself from the future or another universe, so people making a big moral issue out of selfcest are just being weird puritans.