#selfcest discourse

[alyceinwonderland777]

Unpopular opinion:

If Loki was a cisgender character I wouldn't give a fuck about the sylki ship. I would not have been a sylki shipper and I would have thought that it's weird, but at the same time I would have been neutral. I dislike it mainly because it harms the genderfluid community and also because the dynamic between Loki and Sylvie is toxic, but again, if Loki was cis and the dynamic was healthy I wouldn't give a fuck.

Selfcest is weird, but in this case I don't think that it makes sense to compare it to incest since Loki and Sylvie come from 2 different universes. I believe that selfcest can only be considered incest if it involves dating / having sex with a clone since, genetically speaking, a clone is like a sibling.

Again, I hate it because it harms the genderfluid community and because the dynamic is toxic, but if this wasn't the case I wouldn't give a fuck about it.

[d-0-t-t]

"mirrorshipping", "doppelbanging", pussy ass behavior. look who can't say selfcest

[minsu-the-cowardly-human]

I kinda doubt there's any toxic dudebros on Tumblr of all places but I have seen some hate on Markcest here a little too so let's go.

Cutting off for the long post but it's fine to not like Markcest or think it's strange. It's not fine to act morally superior to others or call it incest as I will explain below.

Howdy hey, it seems like the fandom rn is pretty split down the middle huh?

One of the hot topics of debate is Markcest. To make this perfectly clear for those who may not know what it is, it's Mark x his variants, or his variants x eachother.

Some people take issue with this, which is fine, we all have personal preferences. I know I myself don't like Bakudeku, for example.

However, some people try to claim it's incest with two main claims.

1: They have identical DNA, so irl they would be identical twins.

2: They have the same sets of parents.

Let's tackle the first one. So, fun fact, identical twins don't...have to necessairly have 100% of the same DNA. They can, but it's not for all identical twins.

(Source: livescience)

Plus, even given that they have identical DNA, I believe it's fair to assume that all the Mark variants lived exactly the same life until a moment happened that caused them to diverge and be unique in that way. Idk though that's just an assumption on my part though.

Identical twins, of course, are not going to be necessairly raised the same exact way and it seems odd to assume they would be. Idk this just feels like a dumb argument to me.

Also, the real equivalent to Markcest irl would be kissing a mirror. I do wanna preface that by saying that selfcest ships in general can be *made* to be problematic if the creator decides to. For example, 1 person could write a fic where they exist at the same time from time travel shenanigans or portals. Another could write it as though they were brothers or twins. That doesn't reflect on everybody who ships it.

Now onto 2.

Yes, they each have their own Debbie and their own Nolan (as far as we know). However, much like the Mark variants themselves, it's different versions of their parents.

The most clear example of this is when Sinster says he killed his dad. Of course, if Mainstream and Sinster were actually identical twins, than their shared biological dad would be dead. But, they're not, because Mainstream Mark's dad is of course still alive. Same goes for Debbie.

If we combine these two arguments together, they make even less sense because if you're biologically identical twins, I would assume you would have to share the same set of parents. If your twin kills their dad, you um. Don't have a dad either. And that's not how it works for the variants, as shown through Sinster.

Sorry for the long post, it's just really dumb to me.

Remember, don't harass anybody over Markcest or anybody attacking Markcest. It's um not that deep bro, lol.

(Also I mostly made this post because ik it's not that much of a problem on here but mostly to post to my Twitter and because I see so much hate for it on Tiktok.)

[mountain-dew-tickledpink]

y'all stop fighting about what production is better 💔 they're in love why can't we all get along too

[leeleebee]

Sibling coded, child coded, selfcest?! Morality police are working over time. I have some thoughts XD

Sibling coded

Ok. So two completely unrelated people who are close in one way are also close in another way. This is like saying you can’t be best friends with your partner(s)? Or can’t have grown up with someone and then be in a relationship with them? Childhood sweethearts? No? What is happening here someone explain what the issue is.

Child coded

I almost don’t even want to get into how ridiculous and ableist this is… but I sure will! You are telling me people who are childlike in some way, physically, emotionally, intellectually cannot have desires or be sexual or engage in romantic relationships? The “coded” part of this means we aren’t talking actual children here, we are talking adult people. So what is really happening here is people (antis I guess) being uncomfortable with folks with certain perceived traits (again, adults) being sexual/romantic/autonomous and living adult lives. It’s weird. Stop it.

Selfcest

Oh my god. Oh. My god. How is this a thing. Our reality does not have human clones or alternate universe/timelines intermingling. There is no way this is even a thing to get up in arms about. It isn’t setting an example or normalizing or whatever the hang up is with other fictional relationships. But if that time comes boy howdy. I still won’t care.

[virovirokun-has-adhd]

@ everyone

if u hate it explain why in the notes

and no it is literally not incest and is nothing like the sort.

[stanlunter]

I can understand many things...but the only thing I will never get is why on earth do people hate selfcest. Like, there is nothing wrong with it, at all. Is it weird? Yeah. Is it harmful ? Absolutely not. That's litterally self love and a character loving another version of themself is a pretty good thing that doesn't hurt anyone. Even if it could be bad in real life somehoe (which it wouldn't even be), it litterally can't exist in real life and can't be problematic and harmful ship dynamic in general, at least bc it doesn't exist in real life, unlike some actually problematic dynamics

It's just an interesting consept and I will never get why do people hate it. Just bc It's unusual, doesn't mean It's bad??

I can't even call myself a selfcest shipper, there like only few ships like that I like and my favourite one is litterally oc. But in theory, It's not a bad thing. Especially for characters with npd it could be a good experience and probably one of the ways to get a healthy relationship with someone (like Sylki or Alastorcest (especially considering that Vivien herself said smth like "Alastor wouldn't date anyone, bc he can't love anyone more than himself")).

As someone with npd (I don't know if it defines anything tho), I do love this idea in general and find the whole "love yourself" and "find someone the same as me" actually good and possibly the best that can be imagined, so these people who for some reason are trying to make it look bad, gross, problematic and etc really annoy me, bc what can be more consensual and healthy than being with yourself, the only person who fully understands you and knows you better than everyone, basically knows everything about you and fits you perfectly? I genuinely don't understand how can people hate it, bc to me it seems like the least problematic ship dynamic exist

Especially in the verse where Undertale was one of the most popular fandoms

[flippyspoon]

everybody should be into selfcest if you can't fuck yourself how the hell are you gonna fuck somebody else can i get an amen.

[habibisagi]

sora….. ignore this if u must…….. but do u think the bllk boys ever get… weird….. with their own plushies of themselves…… 🤕 like maybe a little humpy……..

flora this ask is killing me 😭 KJHDSFJK

i would say the ones that are like. obsessed with themselves would tbh LMFAOOOO. like sendou would definitely fuck his own plushie (and he gets whiny and very humpy). kaiser too tbh

and shidou isn't obsessed with himself like that he's just a freak but i can see him fucking it too. like a fleshlight. like why not he'd fuck Many things anyway LMFAO

karasu would only fuck his if it's in front of you and because it gets you off. like there has to be a reason for him to do it and then he gets cocky and smug doing it like ohhh this weird shit makes you horny huh...

^ that said i think a lot of bllk men would do it if this gets you off in some way. some would hate doing it some would feel normal and some would question themselves and get over it eventually 😭 but overall yeah why not fr cuz they all have the weird ego thing

[normystical]

idk how to say this but like... i mean i'm against proship bs and fairly judgemental... so i am an anti... but like why are antis so fucking annoying and rude and shit

[schroedingers-faggot]

Okay I hate to jump onto the ship discourse train here but I just genuinely wanna know if (and if so, why) "selfcest" is considered problematic

cause to me it really seems like it's just that some people are uncomfortable around the idea of someone being genuinely attracted to themself

[akimarshmallow]

interesting that vocaloid has (kind of) had a resurgence recently. makes me happy as someone who has not stopped listening to vocaloid since I was like. ten.

[bugstung]

Selfcest is cool actually. It hurts no one and is a funny trope.

[mountain-dew-tickledpink]

book jeremy joins the polycule

Reference under cut

[wormtoxin]

ok i don’t go here i just read doujin. BUT re: the detective conan yaoi incest scandal. it’s really funny to me because those boys look completely fucking identical.