#sick fetishization of lesbian

[fannibalcascade]

You know what bothers me the most the blatant homophobia from Bryan being a gay man he should understand how lesbians are fetishized by cus straight dudes but no , he had to involve a hetero sexual scene in the already homophobic environment just for pleasure of man . It's sick🤢 and even more sick that you can't point it out in the fandom because "oh she was just trying to have a baby" or "oh but Will didn't climax" I mean stfu can't y'all hear yourself, it sounds so homophobic and it makes me vomit .

We have talked about this issue and you are right , that involvement was sick and homophobic. Bryan lost our respect after that . I am all for inclusion in the LGBTQ community but certain words have meaning. What Bryan showed was an example of corrective r@pe and conversion therapy .

[burning-ink1]

If I see one more straight girl cry about "how cringe" the movie was, I will actually riot.

Queer media is so often made to cater to straight audiences, but this movie wasn't. It was just as cheesy as any romcom, but also unapologetically queer, and I am sick of straight girls fetishizing gay men and then being pissed when movies are not made that way.

You guys only want the "hot scenes" to thirst over the actors instead of actually trying to understand queer romance even for a millisecond, sorry not sorry.

[horseshoemybeloved]

Why does non lesbians sapphic art always look like this

Why is it always

“ oh uh… um woman ❤️ wow I love, I uh I Love women…🥺….. wow I love queer sapphic wlws all they do is sit in meadows and play with each others hair…. Nothing eecky and gross like hairy stinky lesbo secc 🤢…. Just dainty small white women being dainty and small and feminine and so wlw sapphic 🥺🥺🥺”

Or

“ this is my MEAN and EVIL SCARY ASS LESBO OC who is SCARY omg STEP ON ME MOMMY she is such a BITCH who is also a MURDER who MURDERS MEN bcus she’s EVIL SCARY LESBO xoxo I love lesbians!!”

[vaugarde]

not defending her in any capacity here bc shes still a terrible person either way but its weird to me that people insist that lily orchard “fetishizes lesbians”. not just bc she is a lesbian/wlw and that kinda gives me “ew lesbians are disgusting bc they objectify women” vibes but also bc i think its wild to claim that about the woman who clutches her pearls when women do anything more than lightly kiss on tv

[fannibalcascade]

if they couldn't film hannigram at least kissing due to censorship from the network then how come we got lesbian sex scene?

Are you familiar with the concept of fetishism? I'm a bit puzzled as to why you're inquiring about the "Hannigram" kiss, considering we don't view the relationship as established. Perhaps you've mistaken us for someone else. However, to put it plainly, male/male relationships often face disapproval from broader audiences, whereas female/female relationships are sometimes objectified and perceived as harmless, even utilized to attract more viewers using the eye candy strategy to appeal to certain interests.

[dashiellqvverty]

looking at negative reviews of drive away dolls and so many of them are so ridiculous <3 it is by no means a perfect film and very much not for everyone like you do not Have To Like it... but so many of the takes are just like "ugh of course this was made by A Straight Man" (and the ppl who acknowledge, but cannot wrap their heads around, whatever ethan coen and tricia cooke have going on). like people are DISGUSTED by it and particularly t.e/rf/s of course (bc it "centers men/penises") and its like.... sorry you hate fun idk

[rottenlittlefink]

… so like,

[lesbiancocksucker]

Idk why you think that your lesbian experience is the only one that exists, Cheryl can have a relatable lesbian experience without it being relatable to You

Clearly I'm the center of the universe anon idk why you can't see this

[devondeal]

Long Chaggie rant ahead

I think a reason Chaggie get called "boring" is that they are waayyy past that beginning stage of their relationship TV love to glamorize.

They've been together for three years and already have that comfort level with each other that not everything is a new discovery. They accept each other's differences and just support. That's what a well established relationship is like.

Of course they are still heavily affectionate and loving with each other because duh, they're in love. Society loves to repeat the bullshit "losing the spark" problem in relationships and how "marriage is so hard" but most of these situations are people that barely even like each other let alone love.

I think that's why media loves showing either beginning stage relationships OR trope-y enemies to lovers and variants of that.

ESPECIALLY in the case of queer relationships because it's only fairly recently that it's been normalized onscreen and I don't think we're used to seeing a normal queer relationship. Like think about it.

Media has always loved showing the gays as deviant and toxic because that's been the only way it was allowed to be seen. I think many of us have gotten used to seeing ourselves that way that it's been normalized.

Personally, I'm in the boat of I'm sick being seen as deviant and like it's bad and wrong thing to be in love with someone of the same sex. For me, Chaggie has been healing because it's just two women being a healthy happy couple. Something that society and even family have told me is not possible which hurts beyond words to hear.

So yeah, I love Chaggie. It is the best wlw canon ship in fucking YEARS and I have been craving representation like this. The very things that I get dirty looks at for irl, is completely normal with Chaggie.

They can hold hands, lean in together arm around shoulder, quick casual kisses in public, give each other goo-goo eyes, just general affection and couple-y behavior as well as the "been together for 3 years" quirks and routines. Like I swear I cannot remember any other wlw ship like this so yeah, it's gonna hit me hard in the feels.

And when characters like Lute and Adam are disgusted or fetishize it, it's very obviously portrayed as villainous behavior. Everyone else just accepts them as they are.

Of course it's not just the normalization of those things but specifically in the context of they've been together for 3 years and are still very much in love and have nothing to prove to each other and just face any conflicts as they come like a normal couple.

Most media especially TV have gay couples break up after that amount of time just for drama points and cuz us gays cant ever last in a long term relationship apparently 😒 And I feel like that especially goes for lesbian relationships on TV. I've seen wayyy more long terms mlm relationships than wlw in main roles.

(Wonder if that's cuz it's just so unbelievable that women could actually love each other cuz society just is so attached to the idea that all women hate each other)

Basically fuck Chaggie hate. We need more wlw long term relationships like this onscreen. I'm tired of being seen as deviant and likely to be toxic. And I'm not saying they need to be perfect. They're obviously not and have some issues but that's a good thing. Every couple has issues.

I'm just saying not all gay onscreen need to almost destroy their relationship in order to repair it.

I just really find it incredibly annoying that some will slap the "boring" label on Chaggie when it's more likely that a long term healthy happy wlw relationship is just that bizarre to them. Just let women actually love women for fuck's sake.

[radsplain]

no but when you really sit down and think about it, you have to be actually batshit insane, mentally unstable and depravingly dangerous to be a man who actually feels comfortable walking into women’s spaces and taking up space as if you were ever welcome there. like physically and confidently walking into women’s restrooms, locker rooms, changing rooms, sports teams, lesbian bars, gatherings etc and not feeling an ounce of shame or embarrassment or guilt, but instead entitlement. like as a woman, this absolutely fucking baffles me. even hypothetically putting myself in the shoes of the men who do this makes me feel physically sick. like i literally had a full body cringe thinking about it. as women we’re taught to feel things like shame and guilt and embarrassment for taking up space in almost any public setting, so I guess this feeling just comes naturally to me, but like. how can you feel justified and righteous enough to demand to be let into these spaces where you aren’t fucking wanted? where is the self awareness and empathy?

like they keep telling us that these TIMs who “just want to pee” are supposedly less of a threat to us than other men but, the kind of man who feels entitled enough to pull shit like this is probably even more insidiously dangerous to women than your average man. it’s just so sick and twisted. they’re narcissistic, egotistical, porn-sick depraved men who are fetishizing us enough to want to emulate us, invade and use our spaces, date us, piss and change beside us, all while demanding to call them one of us, or else be silenced and labeled a bigot. as if we’re indistinguishable from one another and should be respected and treated as such. it’s terrifying when you actually think about it.

[kragehund-est]

i honestly strongly prefer dating other bi people to any monosexual. sick of hearing them say they'd be more hurt if i left them for someone of a different sex, or that i'm more promiscuous, or that i inherently have some sort of lesbian/straight bias, or that my relationships aren't "real", or some weird fetish stuff, or etc etc 10k other such bullshits i don't need to deal with.

[wordwovencackle]

I never felt so uncomfortable about the voices of other bisexual people until trans rights activists, the majority of whom are bisexual, have become so comfortably homophobic.

There have always been bad apples. But now, when lesbians aren't even allowed their own spaces to talk about being solely attracted to the same sex, I've frequently felt sick to my stomach. There is no reason why those can't exist alongside a shared space for homosexuals and bisexuals, but here we are! I see many bisexuals who are so deprived of talking about their same-sex attraction, experiences, struggles and joy that they are desperate to connect with openly homosexuals but homosexuals are rightfully wary of risking what little they have left. There are barely any lesbian spaces in real life or online left!

I'm sick of bisexuals dictating what homosexuals should or shouldn't be attracted to and yes, I'm also pointing at trans rights activists for being insanely homophobic and going too far by spewing conversion therapy rhetoric like saying someone's sex doesn't matter during sex, or going stealth until clothes come off and traumatising or triggering the other, or lying to trans people in general that their "masculinity" or "feminity" changes their sex or that they can change their sex through surgery, which trickled down to calling homosexuals transphobic at the drop of a hat.

Since when do homosexuals owe you affirmation? Since when do you feel entitled to their spaces? Why did the majority of bisexuals see this happen and just shrug because they aren't monosexual and thus not the target?

"Genital fetishists," are you all daft? A fetish is a form of sexual desire in which gratification is strongly linked to a particular object or activity or a part of the body other than the sexual organs. The attraction towards genitals is intrinsic to sexuality and sexual attraction. I feel like I'm perpetually talking to first graders.

I'm so disgusted with the online bisexual "community" for blindly nodding their heads like spineless, "no infighting please" puppies. Do you think none of this matters? How safe must your life be to not care about others?

As a bisexual, what occurred that made you think you could comment on the experience of monosexuals? And I'm well aware many call themselves "gay," or "lesbian," while being bisexual. If you have a vagina and you would have sex with someone with a penis, you're not a lesbian. If you have a penis and you would have sex with someone with a vagina, you're not gay. If neither of you have the same genitalia, it's not homosexuality.

"Labels don't matter," was for those who weren't sexually awakened and were figuring themselves out. But this is what it has led to: the utter deterioration of homosexual spaces, and it's vile and there should be a lot more shame about it.

I'm glad that in personal relations and daily life, the connection between bisexuals and homosexuals is a bit better. But the physical gay and lesbian spaces we were once proud of are now paradoxically wary of homosexuals for fear of being called transphobic.

And I'm also blaming bisexuals for not being critical. For prioritising fetishes and kinks before sexuality. For not listening to the experiences of people with a sexuality different from their own varied, but not exhaustive, experiences. I'm blaming bisexuals for not standing up for homosexuals.

I'm not ashamed of being bisexual. I've never been ashamed of it and I never will be. I'll post this post and continue like normal - and isn't that a privilege?

I will always love other bisexuals who aren't homophobic. There are plently, but there should be more. And louder.

[coalswriting]

murder and rescue ii - natalie scatorccio

summary – ghostface makes a return with a bit of help (approx. 1.6k words) >> part i <<

tw; murder, mentions of sexual assault, slight homophobia/fetishization of lesbians, natalie, reader, and misty are evil in a Fucked Up Way

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finding out that natalie scatorccio was ghostface was not something that existed on your yearly bingo. you hadn’t talked much about it since the night at the party, and some twisted part of you didn’t seem to mind that she was a murderer. in fact, you found it energising, exciting, intriguing. these, you decided one day as you listened to music and stared at your bedroom ceiling, were not the words you should have been using to describe your girlfriend. maybe you were as messed up as she was.

natalie had killed a few more times since the party. there was a guy that misty was having trouble with. he had felt her up in the middle of a lab and he didn’t stop even when she pushed his hand away. she couldn’t tell anybody because he was the son of a well-respected teacher. misty wasn’t his first, nor last victim. she found out who ghostface was (seriously, the girl was basically a detective), and instead of handing the information to the police, she actually asked nat to take care of him. this is how misty, natalie and you became a trio; your house was the hideout, natalie was the killer, and misty was the medic and brains.  

every time nat would show up outside your window at an obscure time, you always unlocked the door for her, let her run a hot bath, and hid her outfit. then, the two of you would passionately make out and love each other until dawn; the thrill was sickeningly addicting. this system had worked for a few kills, but eventually natalie stopped. justice was served, and you assumed that the predators of wiskayok high had ceased their ways. that was until two months later.

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natalie pushed you into a bathroom cubicle, pinning you against the wall. you moaned as her lips attached themselves to your neck, kissing you down to your shoulder of which she pulled the hem of your shirt to reveal. “nat,” you breathed heavily, warmth pooling into your stomach. your girlfriend smirked, bringing her mouth to your ear.

“shut up,” she whispered huskily before nibbling your lobe. your hands clasped themselves onto her hips as you pulled her closer. suddenly, a hand covered your mouth as natalie went stiff. you heard three or four voices enter the bathroom and then the unzipping of (presumably) a makeup bag.

“what is it that you wanted to tell us, allie?” one of the girls said, “you’ve been looking nervous all day.”

“well”, you heard allie’s voice, “you know patrick johnson?”, followed by a few ‘mhhmms’, “he forced himself on my sister at a party a few nights ago. i couldn’t go and protect her, i was sick. she’s been closed off ever since and she won’t tell me exactly what he did. i’m so worried…”

natalie’s eyebrows rose in curiosity as the both of you listened. you heard the girls reassure allie before one of them piqued up, “he’s really evil, i’m sorry. he did the same to tamara too… nobody believed her so she dropped out to avoid him. she was so lovely too.”

after consoling allie for a few minutes, all the girls went back to their classes. natalie finally took her hand off your mouth and whispered to you, “we need to get that bastard.”

you only nodded in return.

“i’ll tell misty to meet at yours tonight and we can plan it?”

“yeah,” you murmured, “looks like ghostface is back.”

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the three of you stalked your prey over the period of a few weeks. you found his phone number and took note of his patterns: he always arrived at school ten minutes before assembly and used his locker first, after third period, he always went the bathroom, and he walked a friend home every day. most nights, he was home alone because his mother worked the night shift. his lights were off by 11pm most nights, and he almost always forgot to lock the back door.

it was 3am on a tuesday when you rang his phone. with the help of misty, you had installed a voice changer into your own device, and he answered after the third ring, voice sleepy and tired.

“uhhh, hello?”

you smiled as you spoke, “is this patrick johnson?”

you heard a shuffling on his side before he finally answered, “who is this?”

you watched from the bushes as natalie slipped her way towards his garden, hugging the wall. she was donning the ghostface costume, knife hidden under a fold of fabric. “you need to tell me, are you patrick johnson? this is serious.”

“fuck off”, is all he said before he hung up his phone. your eyes darkened as you rang again, and he picked up faster this time.

“seriously, who is this? don’t mess with me.”

“patrick,” you said, voice barely a whisper, “have you seen any horror movies?”

“uh, yeah, a few. why?”

you ignored his question, continuing with yours, “do you know what motives the killers normally have?”

“they’re normally insane, like you,” he growled, and you heard him hang the phone up again.

so, you rang again.

“fuck off, leave me alone. i’ll come and kill you,” he threatened, seething from anger.

“you’re right,” you said, darkly, “they normally are insane. but they can have motives too. have you heard of ghostface?”

when patrick didn’t reply, you continued to talk, “ghostface only kills people that deserve it.”

his voice was shaky as he cut you off before you could talk more, “is this ghostface?! i didn’t do anything!”

“i’m not ghostface”, you said simply, “but you did, patrick. you hurt a lot of young girls, didn’t you?”

“wait, listen to me! they never said no! leave me alone-“

“i didn’t finish,” you growled, shutting him up, “as i was saying; i’m not ghostface, but look behind you.”

you heard shuffling again, and then a muffled scream through the phone alongside the sound of the device being dropped. there was an audible struggle as he pleaded for his life. your smile grew wider. the tussle appeared to last about three minutes until everything fell eerily quiet. then, you heard someone pick up the phone, and the voice of your girlfriend rung out, quiet and still, “come in.”

you sauntered in through the back door, entering his kitchen. the phone he had used to call you was left discarded, a few feet away from the counter. you stomped on it, breaking it to pieces before turning to your girlfriend. she stood over the body, breathing heavily. stepping over the corpse of patrick johnson, you ripped the mask off ghostface, watching as her hair cascaded down her shoulders like it had the first time she revealed herself to you. she looked like a goddess, basked in an omnipotent light. you felt your heart flutter, watching blood drip down her lips.

“he got me good”, she said, smiling at you. she then looked down at the deceased, an animalistic grin painting her features. her eyes were wide; not with fear but with fascination – the adrenaline of the hunt was taking her over, as if she wasn’t herself.  

snapping her out of her admiration, you wiped her bloody nose with your thumb before you brought your lips to hers. the kiss was passionate, and you could taste the metallic taste on her mouth, though that didn’t deter you. her hands trailed down your body before resting on your hips and before you could escalate the kiss, you heard the jingle of keys coming from the front door. you pulled away from your girlfriend as she put the mask back on and you pulled your hood over your head. taking the knife out of the corpse, she ran out the back door she had come in from, you following her. nobody saw you.

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you closed the suitcase that contained natalies now clean costume, sliding it under your bed. she met your gaze as you entered the bathroom, slipping into the bathtub with her. natalie pulled you into her chest, brushing your hair with her hands as you both relaxed in the hot water. you hummed relaxingly, before looking up at her.

“i love you”, you confessed. though this was not the first time natalie had heard you say this, her heart still began to beat a little harder than before and you chuckled, “i can feel your heart!”

“shut up,” she gave you a playful slap on the thigh before sighing gently, “love ya too.”

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the next morning came faster than you had expected, and as you, natalie, and misty sat in your assembly, an announcement came through the speakers.

patrick johnson was dead; a suspected murder.

misty, natalie, and yourself gave each other fake confused looks as you peered around the classroom, a small hint of amusement in your faces. everybody burst into chatter and discussion, theorising who killed patrick. not many seemed to be particularly sad, moreso than they were curious. misty continued to doodle in her copy whereas natalie shrugged her shoulders at you.

“people seemed to be kind of hopeful”, you stated later, as you walked natalie home, hands interlocked.

“yeah, it was weird. i thought people would be at least a little sad that he died but i guess he wasn’t too popular with anybody from the beginning. he really did deserve it”, your girlfriend said, a small smirk on her face.

a car drove past you full of football players. they stopped on the road a few feet ahead and began catcalling you.

“why don’t you two make out? let us see some girl on girl action!”, someone yelled out. the boys erupted into laughter before continuing to drive on.  

you groaned, disgusted.

natalie squeezed your hand a little tighter, a reassuring glint in her eyes. “hey, hey, it’s okay. ghostface will get them,” she whispered deviously.

you looked ahead, watching the car drive off. maybe ghostface would get them; maybe he was back for good – or at least until you’d all get caught.

[optimisticsaladalpaca]

Honestly, I'm sick of queer men being treated like this in media. Especially in Viv's point of view. Vivziepop. Not all gay men think about cock or sex every single day. In reality, they are just like straight couples and lesbians. Not an obsessed dick freak. Understand? You probably don't. How come Charlie and Vaggie's relationship get treated like a actual decent couple they are, but you can't even make two gay males actually love each other without acting disgusting for about 5 minutes? I understand Angel Dust a little I don't fucking know, but everybody else? Oh hell no. Honestly, it's fetishizing. And I don't give a shit if it's hell. This is getting ridiculous. Stolas is the worst inspiration for gay men I've ever seen in my life. That one tweet you posted saying that 'nobody understands queer media, yet your version of LGBTQ rep is honestly silly and insulting. Any adult show can do better than this shit.

[tothe1ighthouse]

Posts like this feel like assault to me.

Men will always try to force women into liking dick no matter what. A lesbian is not a "non man" who loves another "non man", she is a woman, a human female. SEXuality is legitimately based on sex, not "gender" . A self called lesbian man with a slong doesn't say anything to me.

The phrase "suck girldick" has to be one of the most degrading phrases I have ever heard. It is the best example of men being men no matter what they look like or identify as. The fact that he had to bring up a sexual act to define what makes one a "true lesbian" really proves that men will fetishize every little thing in this world.

"Lesbophobes are legitimately so disgusting" (sic). People who understand how sick and twisted this situation is are not "lesbophobes" they are in fact woke and know how to respect boundaries. Every human being on earth with critical thinking knows that no fucking lesbian likes dick and will never do so.

YOU are the and disgusting one, not lesbians, including myself, who try to protect themselves from male predators, who will not miss a chance to invade our spaces. We are not lesbophobes, you are. Fucking pervert.

[metabolizemotions]

The show seems to be almost fetishizing sex b/w gay men while having an aversion to a stable relationship b/w them. Ironically, they have an aversion to sex and intimacy b/w 2 women in a stable relationship. Queers can't seem to have both.

Representation matters. Maybe a dad comes to accept his gay son. Or a lesbian finds a way to come out to her mum. But it would also be nice for representation on network tv to go beyond queers just existing.

Positive representation doesn't mean the queers make no mistakes or not go thru life's messiness like other humans. The framing of the narrative is important too. Use the tropes, but also subvert the tropes.

What is the entire purpose of this Pride episode? Highlighting the negative queer stereotypes - hearing Beckett's views and proving him right is most definitely important, isn't it? Straight allyship? To state the obvious that queer-phobia is a fact of life? To showcase yet another awful man in a position of power? What about celebration the positive of queers? What exactly are they celebrating at the station? Definitely not the happiness of the main, longstanding queer couple. That, they want it to show in isolation, quickly, including very far-away shots. Like an afterthought.

It is both a bug and a feature of S19 to focus on the negative. Granted, it is a tv show, n conflicts are nec for plot dev. But it is also a fundamental guiding principle of the show to give more screentime and emphasize - even relish - the struggle, never the triumph. On big systemic issues they can do nothing about. On women struggling against toxic men. On people struggling to be happy - and when they are happy, queer women's joys are excluded and/or minimized exclusively.

There is no timeline for grief or coming into one's queer identity. I empathize with Travis's struggles. But this is one of the many stories about queerness. What about those of queer women? That has been the case for seasons now. Not even the mere mention of the struggles about where Carina came from? Of the trepidation surrounding Marina's marriage rights in this political climate? Of their feelings about having a baby together - thru ivf or adoption?

I am sick and tired of people telling us it's only in our narrow, biased perception and our deluded imagination that there is a disparity in the treatment of w|w n m|m. That other stories are not told at the expense of Marina's. We did not say we want theirs to be the only story, queer or not, only that it be given comparable screentime, importance and care. Even after taking into account the call sheet, it does not make sense.

Just like showing Marina's queerness exclusively would be wrong, the same goes for excluding it. Almost every aspect of it. How do you justify every decision to keep shortening and overlapping the scenes depicting the momentous changes in Marina's lives with others?

Those are very conscious and deliberate choices made. Even with a shortened season, even after including everything they wanted, they could have tightened up the longer scenes to properly give Marina's scenes a more reasonable length. Have them voice their feelings about Pride, about everything happening in their lives. Even just a few lines. But they didn't. And they wouldn't.

But what we have of Marina, is what D & S built over the years, I love and cherish it, and I will hold onto it. No matter what happens.