#tw shipping discourse

[crimson-rain-smoked-flower]

I’m not trying to attack you, but do you know that proshipper means someone who supports and romanticizes pedophilia, incest, and abuse? Your reblog on that post seems to read that you think antis just hate on people for having ships they don’t like. But it’s completely different than that. Just looking on the proshipper side of Tumblr and the internet and you can see people happily shipping children and adults and making nsfw content of such things.

i appreciate that you're not being outright hostile, but i have to say, that on its own put you above basically every anti i've interacted with.

i understand where antis are coming from, i really do. there are a lot of things on the internet that make me deeply uncomfortable, including the minor/adult ships that you mention. i don't want to anything to do with those kinds of ships and i would be happiest if i never saw them again. which is why i'm proship.

nine times out of ten, if i see that kind of ship brought up on my dash, it's because i was following an anti without realizing it, and they brought it up unprompted and untagged, to talk about how bad it is that they exist. they are the ones putting that kind of content in front of my face and making it harder to avoid.

the thing about people who ship those ships is that they're generally very aware that not everyone wants to see that kind of content, and so they tag it. they make sideblogs to talk about it. they don't go out of their way to shove it in people's faces. that means i, and everyone else who doesn't like it, can avoid it.

what antis want is for it to not exist at all. they want the tags to be purged and blocked, and for anyone who uses those tags to have their accounts deleted. and sure, that might get rid of some of it, but do you know what would happen to the rest? it would stop being tagged. people who don't want to see it wouldn't have the tools to avoid it. this isn't just a hypothetical, that's what's happened any time a fan space has tried to do that.

that's not even getting into the rabbit hole of what should be banned and what shouldn't. obviously any content that depicts real children or real life abuse shouldn't exist and shouldn't be allowed to be posted, but basically any platform that people use already enforces those policies, and there's not much of a slippery slope to go down there. if it involves real living breathing people being abused, it's bad. end of discussion.

but the same can't be said for fiction. ask ten antis for a specific list of all the content that should be banned, and you'll get ten different answers. what about kink? what about roleplay? what about horror and murder and anything that involves fictional characters being graphically tortured? what about people using art to process terrible things that have happened to them? what about art that uses dark themes as a horror element? if you just want to ban anything questionable to anyone, that's the line of thinking that gets any mention of lgbt existence banned. and again, this isn't just a hypothetical, this has happened before, and that's generally where it leads.

i know, from personal experience, that antis do, in fact, send harassment to people just for shipping things they don't like. i've gotten accused of absolutely vile shit for shipping two fictional characters who were both consenting adults. i've seen ship wars turn into moral battlegrounds, over ships that an average person wouldn't bat an eye at.

the thing about "romanticization" is a whole other can of worms. the anti logic goes like this: if someone sees something (even if it's very obviously fictional) in a positive light enough times, they will start thinking it's okay in real life, and go on to hurt real people. the problem with that is that it's just. blatantly untrue.

if it were true every horror movie fan would be a serial killer, every person that studies dark media would be an unhinged psychopath, and everyone who is into ddlg would be a pedophile. but they're not. they just aren't. people have directed movies just as fucked up as the darkest shit on ao3, and are still capable of being normal human beings who know right from wrong in real life.

even if someone is that impressionable, scrubbing away the existence of every piece of questionable content isn't going to solve their problem, because they're still going to be vulnerable to con men, scams, and cultists. the only thing that would actually materially help someone like that is developing their own morals and critical thinking.

children are also more impressionable, and there's a lot of content that's not suitable for them, but that doesn't mean that content shouldn't exist. it just means that they should stick to spaces designed for them (which most social media sites, tumblr included, are not) or, if they're old enough to be responsible for their experience online, they, or a trusted adult in their lives, should block and filter out things that they aren't comfortable with.

which is what everyone on the internet should be doing. it's what i do, and it's made the internet a much more pleasant place to be. and it's why i sometimes worry for antis mental health, especially teenagers, because they're being told it's right and moral to seek out content that makes them uncomfortable and to engage with the people making it. and that's just. really bad. it's not good for the creators that they're harassing obviously, but it's also really bad for them! it's not healthy to seek out things that make you feel bad, and it's a terrible internet safety lesson to teach minors that it's okay for them to seek out and engage with people making adult content.

individual harassment and crusading is never going to succeed at removing dark content from the internet. it just isn't. at best you might get a small percentage of people who create that content to stop sharing it, at worst you're just going to make people stop tagging it, and either way, you're exposing yourself to things that make you feel bad, when you don't have to.

if you want to materially change the type of content you see, you can. the block button is your friend, use it liberally. same with content filtering and tag blocking.

[jayteacups]

Okay I’m gonna say it even if people are tired of ship discourse because this is one thing about extremely delusional and toxic shippers I will never understand. And I’m not saying shipping culture as a whole is bad, because that would be hypocritical of me. I’m a multishipper by definition. I have many OTPs and ships myself. But here’s the thing.

I’ll never understand why some shippers of non canon ships will go to extreme lengths and bend over backwards to prove why their ship is canon, as if that will prove why their ship is superior and why they’re justified in shipping it.

You can ship something even if it’s not confirmed to be canon and there is no shame in your ship being fanon, you don’t have to insist otherwise. It’s so weird that despite their love of a ship, some toxic shippers be so insecure about the fact it’s fanon, and feel like they have to prove it’s canon when they really don’t have to do all that. What’s wrong with shipping something and acknowledging that the ship isn’t canon and never will be? Part of the fun about shipping fanon ships is that you can do whatever the hell you want with them, make whatever you want out of it, because it’s not canon. But insisting that it is just makes the fanbase look insecure and toxic, and it’s exhausting to witness. Your ship being fanon won’t make it any less enjoyable for you, won’t take away from your own personal headcanons and interpretations of the ship. If it makes you feel insecure, don’t make it anyone else’s problem.

[kikarouflames]

Ngl, past these months I haven't read a single eruri fanfic, after actually engaging and seeing how the Fandom is, my interest has almost evaporated. Everytime I see a fanfic the only thing that stops me from reading it is, what if they just totally made Levi into a lovelorn slave, it's really sickening how they treat Levi.

I remember an Ereri shipper saying to me on Twitter ,"a real Levi stan like you won't be able to survive in eruri fandom for much longer" and I think they were right, everytime I see an eruri shippers' bullshit it always ruins my mood. How blind, Delusional and braindead can people be, the best example of clown behavior has to be some toxic Eruri shippers themselves.

At this point imma just ship Levi with anyone but Erwin or not ship him with anyone at all. How is it that in almost every fic Erwin is so glorious and great and Levi isn't. Like why they need to think Levi is inferior to Erwin. I saw someone on Twitter saying they like making Levi like that, and from that point shipping Eruri has become so difficult. Levi is such a great character and this downright degradation of his character makes my brain and heart ache.

I don't see other ships making Levi all about a character as much as I see in eruri. The ship had potential that people didn't notice and made it into some master-slave gross fantasy. Even if I scream facts in thier faces they will still be smoking bullshit.

[little-cereal-draws]

Ok this might make some ppl mad but I want to say it anyway

I don’t like ppl shipping Puss and death

I understand the appeal (enemies to lovers, height difference, sunshine vs gloomy aesthetics, the fact it’s a gay ship) and normally I’m a sucker for all those tropes too, but this one just rubs me the wrong way.

The movie makes a point to show that puss is terrified of death. He’s a constant threat (or perceived threat) to Puss for basically the whole movie, sending him down a spiral of anxiety and depression. He gives up all his fame and ego, he pushes away those who care abt him, he even has a panic attack (and arguably several anxiety attacks too) just bc of death.

As someone w GAD, who experiences panic attacks and self isolation/sabotage on a regular basis, I don’t like ppl shipping him w the thing that’s triggering him. It’s like if ppl started shipping me w the personification of rejection sensitivity or whatever lol Idk if that’s a good example but you see my point? It’s weird.

And yes, I know they kinda made peace at the end but I still don’t like it. I feel like shipping them is like making all puss’ physical and mental blocks, and additionally his growth and strength despite those blocks, not as impactful bc him and death are now close enough to be in a relationship. It’s like saying they’re so close now that really death never posed a threat to him and it was all in his head. Idk, maybe ppl who ship this have some amazing character arcs planned out where they address this and deal w it healthily but all I know is I would never ever want to be in a relationship w someone who triggered me like that, even if it was in the past.

And since ppl like to take things as a personal attack on the internet: NO, I am not saying ppl who ship this are bad or morally wrong. YES, I know it’s all fictional so it doesn’t matter. YES, I know that there are probably ppl w anxiety or are other things that ship this, maybe even as a comfort ship. If that’s you, more power to you. YES, I know ppl can ship what they want, I’m not saying to stop shipping it, I’m just explaining why it’s not my PERSONAL cup of tea.

[pompompuriina]

sending me death threats over a fictional ship is INSANE. the jujutsu kaisen fandom is becoming just like the mha fandom if not more worse. telling me to sl1t over shipping satosugu is crazy. you're entitled to your own opinion but not when it involves harming others. people like this are the reason that the jjk fandom is becoming so hated now.

anyways, while you go screeching in my ear about how satoru and suguru aren't gay, i'm chilling in my bed watching my bae gordon ramsey.

sips tea, go to bed now my dear child, school's tomorrow.

[solmarillion]

i'm not proship or an anti, i'm pro-use the goddamn block button

[ocd-bunny]

Really wish that people would stop using people with POCD as a defense for shipping pedo stuff. or at least stop filling the tag with snarky Gotchas about how being against pedophilia hurts ppl with POCD (it doesn't. you're being ableist and it is incredibly triggering to be constantly compared to pedophiles.)

[abyssal-system]

Hello everyone. It's been a while since I last updated the blog. Things have been very hectic while my system has been very quiet, so I haven't felt the need to post much.

I'm just back to say that I've noticed I was put on a list (still sort of unsure why, the post was a little confusing) and I've gotten a lot of followers recently. Unfortunately the person who had added me to the list was proship and I am extremely uncomfortable with that.

If you came from them and you are also proship, I would greatly appreciate it if you unfollowed and blocked me.

For those of you who aren't associated with them- welcome! I cannot promise I'll be very active, but I'm welcoming to all system types (even if this blog is mainly focused on traumagenic systems as that is what I am)

As a final note- please do not attempt to change my mind or argue. Please leave me be and I will leave you be. I do not wish to fight.

[sparkling-pink-lemonade]

Saw a post of an anti saying that they are leaving AO3, as they are too uncomfortable to post their fics there now. The reason? They found out one of their long time readers was a proshipper, despite their fics having proship dni. And how "that includes silent readers too, I don't want you all looking at my content."

My brother in christ, you are posting on the fiction freedom site. The proshipping site. Dnis aren't god damn restraining orders. They are one tool in helping you display your boundaries. It's still on you to enforce your boundaries. You post something publicly, you forfeit your ability to regulate who can view your work. If you're obsessive enough, you can regulate who actually interacts with your work by stalking each person in the kudos list, comments, or bookmarks and then blocking snyone you don't like, but you do not get a say on who may silently read your posts. Not unless you private your work and only show it to specific people.

And if you don’t want proshippers to interact, get off the profic site.

[locustgirl]

not to be radical or whatever, but i think that maybe calling women and queer people “pedophiles” for fanfiction is actually not the activism you think it is

[ouchiemyspine]

'cop' is new tumblr buzzword. not everyone u disagree with is a cop. u cant make a 'terf' variation for every group that excludes anyone. words have meaning. the world doesnt revolve around u

[el-sandwhichito-de-geto]

I'm so sorry to say this but, your trauma is not an excuse to dictate what other people can consume in fiction or not.

Your abuser was a proshipper, I'm so sorry you had to endure that, but before being a proshipper, they were, simply, a piece of shit!

The problem is, they'd have been a piece of shit whether they consumed that kind of content or not. People are not black and white. You don't exclusively consume content that you think is right to replicate in real life (you would leave like 90% of anime and fiction out that way), nor do you suddenly start think problematic content is okay to replicate just because you consume it already.

What you experienced is horrible. It was wrong and I'm so so sorry you had to endure that, I really fucking am. But this, applying your trauma-born logic to a bigger population and liking a bunch of strangers online to your abuser because of the media they consume, is not how you cope or deal with the situation.

[profictionoverhaul]

Anti-shippers DNIs are so stupid.

You don't want to talk to yourself? YOU'RE THE HATEFUL ASS PERSON DUDE!!! Telling people to die IS hateful!!!!

[pompompuriina]

your fucking disgusting and that stupid "satosugu" you and the snowflake rainbow blue haired kids need hospital 💀 this is mental illness, find god devil worshipper

i'm assuming that you're the same person in my dms threatening me to sl1t my wrists. honestly i have nothing more to say to you other than smd. calling me a snowflake but getting this triggered over fictional ships is wild. go to bed child, you're 13. you'll get over it someday.

[ursie]

Ok just saw a tweet that said Ashton deserves their chronic pain (among other ableist ones) for upsetting Fearne and being “selfish” so new rule if you’re not PHYSICALLY DISABLED you no longer get to talk about Ashton unless you personally pay every cripple you know five dollars-if you don’t know any cripples? Never speak again. I’m not joking I’m taking him away from y’all until you learn to behave.