#CSA in fiction

[cosmileech]

Hii, can you explain is term "child porn" is not valid and why?

To refer to real life stuff, it's obviously valid. When your calling fictional art CP though it's disgusting.

New people seeing this, hey! I'm a snuff film survivor and use pro shipping to cope. So please listen to me as someone who has been in many of these CP films that calling fictional art CP is just wrong.

The reason is because CP isn't a fictional issue. It's an issue that ruined my life and many other people's. So while you can hate art that shows kids sexually, don't call it CP. Because We're not fictional characters. We're real people with real lives who have to live with the fact that there's recordings of us at our most vulnerable floating around online. A fictional character can't experience that.

Again. Hating it is totally valid. But call it what it is- lolisho. Not snuff and not CP. Thanks.

[vampyrsins]

Do you ship to cope?

THATS OKAY!

Is your ship problematic/immoral

THATS ALSO OKAY!

As long as you keep your fantasies in fiction, no ship is wrong! have fun with fiction! if you think a pairing is cute, go for it!

You are valid! no matter what you ship! ⸜(♡'ᗜ'♡)⸝

[oneangstymotherfucker]

Tw for vague csa/abuse mention

Sometimes, yeah, I "get off to" the fics I write. And I definately like hearing that other people enjoy them, because I think everyone deserves things they enjoy and it truly makes me happy to provide a little of that for others.

But the reason I write what I write is so my brain has a place to spin out scenarios to try to make it okay. And by that I don't mean the things that happened to me. By that I mean the fact that I exist as someone who those things happened to. The fact that I live every day with the rammifications of one man's evil decision, wrapping themselves up and weaving themselves into every aspect of my life. And when I write I come at it from all angles- including sexual because I was a prematurely-sexually-awakened kid and that can make a person's relationship with sex a little confusing to say the least- to try to figure out how to live with it.

Fic writers don't write to normalize abuse. We write to normalize suvival. And survival isn't always pure and pretty and fluffy. I was not healed by a wholesome loving relationship, I was not healed by friendship or forgiveness or by trying to banish all darkness from my life and mind. I am healing myself by looking it in the eye. By getting elbows-deep in the darkness, letting it coat my skin again now that I am grown and safe. By forgiving myself for the tracks it left in my mind and body, accepting that it is part of my story and trusting myself to keep me safe.

That's what I'm trying to normalize. That it's good you survived, and it's okay to be "messed up by it". You are normal, and your existence isn't bad or tainted or dirty or wrong. You are good and innocent. You deserve to be here and you deserve a full, satisfying life with all the things you enjoy in it.

[coockie8]

The worst part about tumblr for me is that you absolutely cannot escape a popular blogger, even if you block them. The most you can do is blacklist their username, but you're still gonna see it all the time.

Doesn't matter bogleech once told me I deserve to be murdered because I don't think lolisho is comparable to the literal CSA I experienced; I still have to see them everywhere 🙃🙃🙃

[this-world-of-beautiful-monsters]

Saw someone bitching about how "puriteen" is "embarassing" because it's "rude and condescending..." and--it's supposed to be rude and condescending, for heavens' sake. I try not to use it for that very reason, but I understand that people are using it to express their frustration with children who refuse to take the opportunity to learn how kink or fiction or literally anything works and the many, many profoundly immature (and breathtakingly irresponsible) adults who encourage them. It's not supposed to be nice, it's supposed to make a point; it's an admittedly harsh reminder to grow up and get off the internet before someone gets hurt (and stop invalidating CSA survivors while you're at it).

[dead-dove-dolly]

With the Hazbin Hotel leak going around, as well as a certain person on this hellsite saying that any media containing SA is glorifying/fetishizing SA (or even CSA or RAMCOA), please know this is what you're doing.

You're making victims/survivors feel dirty and like their abuse was their fault.

You're demonizing talking about SA/CSA/RAMCOA, making it more difficult for victims/survivors to come forward.

You're making it more difficult for victims/survivors to cope, because some of them cope with exposure therapy.

You're pushing this idea that coping should be private, even though publicly coping can help a lot of people. Not everyone can draw or write, so they rely on OTHERS to make said content for them to cope.

And saying that someone is coping the "wrong way" is incredibly harmful, because what's healthy for them, may not be healthy for you and vice versa.

Victims/Survivors are not all uwu pure babies that have Normal Emotions™. Some of us are violent. Some of us romanticize what happened to us. Some of us are emotional. We need access to ways to cope with what happened to us. Fiction happens to be a great outlet, as long as it's not distressing to us.

And if you fucking DEMONIZE coping via fiction, whatever it is, you are making it MORE difficult on survivors.

We're allowed to openly cope. We're allowed to be angry. We're allowed to vent the complex feelings we have towards abusers.

Quit making us feel DIRTY and like it's OUR fault we were abused. Let Victims/Survivors COPE.

[kaleidoscopic-quiddity]

hyped for the chainsaw man anime but dreading the exponential increase in dudes who think makima is this sexy domme who denji is lucky to have the attention of and not an adult woman who endangered, groomed, and psychologically abused a 16yro kid

[jayzelnut]

The saddest part about seeing people getting swept up in anti rhetoric is knowing how many of them are hating themselves for no reason.

I used to be full in the anti mindset from about 16 to 21-ish, and it made me feel as if I were inherently a horrible human being for something as simple as shipping the ninja turtles or finding an anime character attractive.

It took finding the right community and discussing at length with my therapist to accept that fiction is indeed fiction, and the fact that I can explore certain things within a fictional space is okay and healthy.

ESPECIALLY as a CSA survivor (though I think it's bs that people feel required to share their trauma with strangers in order to justify enjoying "problematic" fiction, cause hot take: someone does not need to be a victim of SA to enjoy non-con fiction. They just don't.)

If you are hiding part of yourself because you're afraid it makes you a bad person, or that the people in your life will find out and hate you for it, I want you to know there's nothing wrong with you.

There is a community for you. Space for you. People who will not judge. People who will understand.

The worst part about the anti community is that they make you believe no one will accept you. They make you believe you are a monster for something so unbelievably human and then tell you anyone who disagrees is out to hurt you or others.

It's manipulative and almost impossible to escape from without feeling like you're doing something horribly wrong.

If you're reading this and you don't understand where I'm coming from, that's fine.

Kink is not for everyone. You don't need to enjoy media like that to accept that there are people who do and that kink can actually be incredibly positive and healthy when explored safely.

Extreme gore in horror isn't everyone's thing either, but that doesn't mean it's wrong or that the people who enjoy that content are actually serial killers.

It's fiction. It's not hurting anyone.

If you're an adult and you've got some problematic fiction you love and you can't talk to anyone about, I'd love to hear about it. I won't judge.

If you're a minor, please talk to an adult you trust about this topic. Don't take these things at face value (including this post. I'm just a stranger on the internet, my opinion should hold no weight for you. The purpose of this post is to get you thinking, not to brainwash you lmao)

And if you're a big ol' freak like me? I see you. Enjoy your day and keep being freaky :)) 💕

[shrimpmandan]

I think at this point anyone who calls themselves a proshipper but is like, staunchly aggressively no-matter-what anti-RPF is either deluding themselves or thinks that the concept of "real people being reimagined as fictional characters" hasn't existed for decades at this point.

Everyone was fucking raving about Hamilton and Clone High barely a few years ago. A lot of extremely famous, influential movies are based off of real people, such as The Wolf of Wall Street. Every single fucking cartoon you've seen that references a real life historical figure like Cleopatra or Napoleon is technically doing RPF to some degree. THE MAGIC FUCKING TREEHOUSE IS RPF.

All this is ignoring how much we WORSHIP AO3, but-- but but, the founder of AO3 very much supports RPF. And by supports I mean they actively WRITE RPF. Tons of American Idol stuff that's all obscenely popular!

Now of course, there's gonna be some people who have a kneejerk rebuttal about how it's "different" with historical figures, that it doesn't matter because they're all dead, or that movies and books are different from fanfiction that may or may not be sexual. Except all of those arguments make absolutely zero sense when you think about them for more than two seconds.

Shouldn't the subjects being dead make it... more disrespectful, on a base level? You could made a valid case that with historical figures, nobody is left alive to mourn them. In comparison, people who have died relatively recently still have loved ones alive to mourn their deaths, and who would very likely be negatively mentally impacted by stumbling across an RPF fic. Understandably so--

but wasn't our whole argument that other people's feelings are their own to deal with, and not our responsibility?

You can make a similar case for serial killers, too. The victims of Jeffrey Dahmer still have friends and family that are alive. I would imagine they wouldn't want to see posts sexualizing or glorifying him-- but I doubt they're seeking out anything related to him /at all/, frankly. And then we're back to point one about how all that matters is that shit is consistently tagged and that people simply don't read what they don't like.

In my opinion, the sole, sound argument against RPF would be sexual RPF of minors. Even if no contact or even grooming is happening: that is still sexual content of a living minor. That is CSEM. That is a completely valid thing to be against. I honestly fail to see why sexual drawings of real minors are illegal, but not writings. Still, writings and drawings do not involve the same amount of /direct/ abuse as 'regular' CSEM and CSA, but making the argument of psychological harm is fair, especially when this is a case of a child being directly sexualized against their will.

But then we're still back to square one.

Don't like don't read.

Honestly, I'm neutral on RPF. I'm against anything that involves a sexualized depiction of a real child, and I'm generally not super interested in or comfortable with reading fics about real people, but it's also not a topic I can just disassociate myself from and say that it's somehow disconnected from proshipping. It isn't. Proship communities are built off of the backs of RPF shippers, like it or not. And honestly, I couldn't care less so long as the shipper in question is still respectful of the privacy of the subject(s) they're writing about. The version of the person they're writing is fundamentally not real, and that's a weird thing to wrap your head around. One could even argue my own reasons for singling out child sexual RPF is hypocritical or contradictory, and I wouldn't disagree. I think having mixed feelings on the subject is understandable. But being completely, over-archingly against it due to knee-jerk discomfort? It just seems a bit silly to me.

[beautyconsumer]

 Yet another jaygrant idea.

Body swap where Dick and Jason swap bodies, and whoo this one's packed (I already started this one, it has magical Jason, tho it deals with Dick's canonical past rape, Jason’s implied past csa and Grant and Jason’s daddy issues. Grant's food issues, (I came up with that one, it makes sense trust me) and everyone's insecurities including Barbara's.

[cantstayawaycani]

Can’t Stay Away’s Fic Rec Friday Post #4

12.22.23

My ao3 Bookmarks (if it’s bookmarked, it’s usually a completed fic)

Fic Rec Friday Intro and FAQ

I can’t do multiple posts with elaborate reviews/commentary today. I just wanted to say that over the last few months, while I was grappling with this overwhelmingly depressive sense of doom, profound sadness, hopelessness, and apathy, reading fanfiction was one of the most effective types of escapism I engaged in. 

So, here are the fics that I have been reading, keeping track of, and loving:

Almost anything @bardocksheadband-fanfics, but especially:

1. The Re-Education of Mr. Almehen

Fandom: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Pairing: Nashuri

Summary: “Namor's life changes in all the right ways the day his student's aunt picks him up from school.”

What I Like About It: It may seem lame af to describe something as “tasteful” and mean it as a compliment, not a slight. I mean, this is a Suga Mama Shuri and a Baby Boy Namor (whom I call Ch’ah in my head) but not in the way you think. It’s a rom-com! It’s sexy, it’s funny, it’s adorable. And these two kinky assholes are in love! Also, he’s a kindergarden teacher; a good one. The way he is written with these kids just makes my ovaries quiver.

2. Filthy Mouth

Fandom: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Pairing: Nashuri

Summary: Single father Namor goes on his first blind date and gets his world rocked.

What I Like About It: Almost the same as above, but in reverse! Though more of a straightforward relationship dynamic, not a kept man/woman scenario at all. More of a freak in sheets, lady in the streets situation. But again, there is love and devotion, as there always is with this pairing (well, when writers stay away from the darker dynamics of the ship). This is absolutely amazing. Superbly written, well-paced, tonally balanced, funny, sexy, and somewhat dramatic but not anxiety-inducing. Like, literally perfect.

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Almost anything @zzbottomz, but especially:

unfaithful

Fandom: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Pairing: Nashuri/Loshuri

Summary: Shuri’s world unravels when she discovers her husband Namor’s infidelity, leading to a heart-wrenching divorce. Amidst the chaos, she finds solace in Loki, a charming entrepreneur with a complicated past of his own. As their unexpected romance flourishes, Shuri grapples with co-parenting challenges, the complexities of new love, and unresolved feelings.

What I Like About It: I mean, I didn’t think that a Love Triangle between Shuri, Loki, and Namor would be so intriguing. That it would be utterly confusing as to who you want to root for. That you would feel your heart beat for the plight of each character. There’s so much at stake, but especially the happiness of a little boy caught in the middle of the mess adults can make of their lives. It’s drama personified, and I live for each installment. Plus, Loki is written so well here, it’s hard not to root for him.

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A new writer, or a seasoned one, returned from a long hiatus, inspired by Shuri and Namor:

Before everything by stories_of_grace

Fandom: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Pairing: Nashuri

Summary: A year after her mother’s death, Shuri burns her mourning clothes on the beach in Haiti and wakes up not only back in Talokan, but also back in time. Given the chance to do things differently, can she prevent her mother’s death and convince Namor of a peaceful alliance?

What I Like About It: THIS fic is everything I want in a Nashuri. It is another “What If” scenario, mapped and tread carefully. We’ve all imagined what could have been if it had been different, as Namor lamented on the beach that day just after he speared the Black Panther, right before she almost killed him and forced him to yield to her. Go read this! It is so satisfying!

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There are others, but ta for now! Please enjoy your holidays!

[dead-dove-dolly]

Anti-Shippers: Omg art of a fictional character counts as Child Porn

Proship CSA Survivors: Hey, don't equate our abuse to fictional characters and stop using the term CP, use the terms CSA/CSAM/CSEM instead, because the "porn" label insinuates consent, and children can't consent.

Anti-Shippers: HOW CAN YOU CONDONE YOUR ATTRACTION TO CHILDREN?!?!?!??!

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I literally came across a post like this and it actually kills me on the inside.