#Tw programming mention

[ghost-jester-sys]

shout out to programmed / ramcoa systems who...

- can never fully mentally mature

- were made to mature too young

- know and remember nothing or just snippets

- know and remember everything or most things

- can't currently access therapy for safety or personal reasons

- are currently in therapy

[cccat-in-a-meat-sack]

Top three most insane end0 posts I've ever seen:

This one needs no explaining

It's the last paragraph, plus the "resetting" the system part (PROGRAMMED SYSTEM TERM)

Also needs...no explanation

[blue-arsenal]

Light switch

[pt: light switch. end pt]

Requested by anon

A light switch is a type of alter in a RAMCOA system (whether this alter is programmed or not) who intentionally or unintentionally triggers sexual programs of any kind. Programmed exclusive.

[disabled-sysboxes]

[TEXT ID: this system may become extremely tired / drowsy after talking about certain things due to programming]

[IMG ID: a light teal rectangular box with a light blue outline with an icon of a person's head with a thin swirl in it to the left, with the text 'this system may become extremely tired / drowsy after talking about certain things due to programming' on the right.]

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[canis-constellate]

remembering how, literally just days after we found out we'd been programmed (and that the current iteration was also programmed specifically to be amnesiac to said programming, hence why we didn't find out about it for a decade), we found out one of the followers on our main (who we were already vaguely uncomfortable with but didn't pop up often enough in our notifs for us to care) believed that RAMCOA/OEA was just exo/xenotrauma. like their actual dni was "RAMCOA survivors DNI. if you have exo/xenotrauma then just say that lol"

at the time we just silently blocked and didn't say shit about them (because (A) again, found out just days earlier, and (B) this was the same timeframe as the snowchester bull that happened), but. holy fuck man.

(that was also the incident (combined with us beginning to figure out our own shit) that actually spurred on our "hey btw we support and believe folks who went through RAMCOA" post, because it hit just a liiiittle too close to home and we felt like. idk. Tainted. since this was someone who'd been following us for months and we never knew/realized. we're pretty sure they specifically added it during the snowchester debacle since we'd read through their whole pinned post before and hadn't seen it, but we're also dyslexic and have other vision issues so it's possible it was always there and we just didn't notice/see. idk.)

[system-hottakes]

TW : mentioning we are a programmed system (without any other detail)

Other systems should NOT criticize how different systems manage their own recovery.

We are 6 years into therapy been diagnosed for C-DID and a lot more stuffs but like.. Therapy for Dissociative Identity Disorders just don’t exist in our country. We are way too late on psychiatry, and even getting a CDD diagnosis is a battlefield here. Finding the right therapy is just so rare it basically never happens or you have tons of years to pass on a waiting list.

So yes, we are digging into our own traumas by ourselves (still we go to therapy and never stay alone but with closed ones) because we don’t have a choice and we want to heal ! Yes even if we are a programmed system ! We know this is highly dangerous, we know more than you can ever imagine ! But we don’t have a choice and healing’s not an option, it’s mandatory ! Yes our healing process will be much more complicated and instable, but is this truly worse than doing absolutely nothing ‘till the end of your life ?

If therapy for CDD doesn’t exist here, therapy for programmed system less exist. Basically health professionals don’t even know that’s actually a thing. Neither does our whole country population (only those involved and/or closed ones of survivors).

Stop telling us how we should heal when basically we don’t have many options and you know nothing about our situation here. A lot of countries are factually privileged when it comes to access therapy and health in general.

Stop telling people how they should act on their recovery. You don’t know anything about random people on the internet, you don’t know what they’ve been through and you don’t know what they have to go through in order to access therapy and how they need to manage their OWN recovery.

It depends on where you live, it depends on every individual. Everyone is different, not everyone got the same chances in life. And you should not assume the opposite.

^^ we don't have much to add here, but this is very correct. Do not criticise people for how they chose to recover, don't try to tell them they're doing it wrong, everyone is different and everyone needs different things to recover

[dolphinrostrums]

(under the cut largely for our own sake; talking about protogens and being an alien. cw for mentions of OEA programming as well)

we've always had a deep and intense connection to the stars. is that it?

it's not just that. repeatedly, we've come to the conclusion that we're an alien, and that's why we're so strange--and then we back off, for one reason or another. Snail always gets antsy and afraid when it comes up. there's been times where it got dangerous for us. protogens are aliens. is that it?

it's not just that. protogens, according to their lore, are created; and, according to their lore, mechanical things are attached to them. we often feel like we were created by others, and we feel that the human facade has been attached to us. is that it?

it's not just that. protogens are made for a specific purpose, and they are meant to be subservient--because of our programming, we've felt very similarly, and some part of us longs for a return to that kind of simplicity, in spite of all of the trauma that came with it; some part of us wishes that we could have that, but in a not-harmful, not-abusive way, somehow, even though it's almost inherently abusive. is that it?

"you don't have to label it," we try to tell ourselves. "it can just be." but it can't. trying to understand what and who we are is a Sisyphean task, both in its futility and its inevitability. there is no world in which we're comfortable with simply being.

there's a lot of reasons why we, at the very least, relate to protogens, relate to the idea of being one. it feels like an answer to a degree, even though it really isn't one.

we hate being afraid of what we are--what we might be. being an alien means we couldn't have been born to the body's human parents--unless we could have been, somehow. unless we were implanted, somehow. but if we weren't, that begs the question of how we got here. were we swapped at birth? during some examination later on? is there a human out there that carries the same features as our facade (or similar, if they haven't [yet] gone on testosterone), completely unaware of who their biological parents are?

was some sort of swap done in our early years, through programming? how would we have the memories that we have, then? unless the programmers themselves weren't human, or otherwise had access to advanced technology humans don't, in order to swap memories, to place a facade over us. unless the facade is more metaphysical in nature?

we believe quite intensely in an infinite multiverse. every universe that could exist, does. as such, naturally, there is a universe--maybe many universes--where protogens exist.

if only we could reach out across the stars, through the edges of the universe itself, and hold hands with an alien who has been created for a specific purpose, who was abandoned when it could no longer perform as it was intended, who is lost and afraid and trying its damndest to make the best of things. if only we could hold hands with it, and it could know that we are one and the same.

[thatonefurryartist]

You say your normal about systems

But are you normal about RAMCOA systems/ Programmed systems??

[ghxsts-haven]

Our system was fakeclaimed by those awful subreddits. A bit ago and even a few weeks ago. We didn't see the one from a few weeks ago. But like. It's made us seriously paranoid of posting anything about our tbmc, programming, ramcoa. That we feel constantly watched. When those accounts were made as safe spaces for that shit.

That now if we dare utter it, we just get so paranoid of being watched. Terrified that our programmer will see it and find us.

But we NEEDED that safe space to be able to process it. And it makes us feel so isolated and alone. We aren't experiencing worse denial or anything. But it triggers our paranoia so bad. Especially since we have a history of harassment online, unrelated to things, most useless stuff like fandoms and all. But still. We've been fakeclaimed a lot for too many disorders, for being a programmed system, for having our fictive alters be the main Frontera and venters for this shit. Yeah. Cause every non-fictive alter is extremely personal and often more related to our tbmc and shit. The fictives are the easiest to front because they're more of a representation of our trauma and don't hold any actual trauma most of the time.

And just. Being posted and fakeclaimed, misconstrued and made to seem like we're saying every single possible alter we have is programmed, and other bs like that. While also being infantilized as just a seriously messed up probably autistic person led down the DID rabbit hole has fucked us up. It has given us worse issues and worsened our silence. When we have no professional help. When we are reliant on online safe spaces to vent and rant.

Even though it's passed largely, it forever triggers our paranoia. And as we deal with our programming, it leaves us feeling trapped. Unable to talk about it, but needing to. I fucking hate those assholes. And I fucking hate how much it has damaged our system online. When we are trying to heal our fear of online spaces and have a place to be able to vent and open up. We never reveal too much cause of our paranoia, but the fact that we have no choice and can't stop those subreddits triggers all kinds of other issues with harassment and bullying we've had growing up. And knowing damn well trying to stand up for yourself will just yield more mockery. So ignoring them is the best. I'm just so hurt and angry. Especially since it has worsened us a lot. During one of our most vulnerable times especially with a lot of other irl struggles too.

It makes us so fucking mad. And we hate that it's just a reality for systems online and especially ramcoa and programmed systems.

I'm so sorry that's happened.

We had a similar experience being fakeclaimed for our splitting- but never our RAMCOA and Programming (thankfully).

Knowing that people out there seek out people's blogs and posts, just so they can post it and laugh at horrific abuse. At torture. It's very understandable it causes paranoia. It does for us too. The people finding these though, often stumble upon them a few times then move on to the next person to be despicable to. It doesn't change the damage, but they DO move on and forget.

I'm glad it's lessened for you, but I understand the scar that can leave.

I want you to know that even though you get posted to these spaces, if you have Internet safety (never sharing your face, name, etc) your programmers cannot find you. I know it's a terrifying thought and we've dealt with it ourself, but it's not possible to find someone without a LOT of work and knowledge.

Whether you're free of them or not, you'll be safe from them online as long as you keep what may make you vulnerable within safe circles.

I hope that one day you can feel free enough to speak more openly, and you deserve that.

Fakeclaimers cannot take your lived experiences away from you. A small bit of advice I can offer is staying far away from checking those spaces- we used to, to check if we'd been posted again, but it isn't healthy to have a hypothetical in the forefront of your mind, when you should focus on healing.

This will always be a safe space for you, I hope you know that. Anon you're always welcome to come back here.

[animalistic-alien]

we aren't physically a protogen, of course. we're something else entirely, we know that. i think we just find a lot of comfort in protogens and feel a great deal of connection to them (perhaps in a transspecies way? unsure).

between being created, not born; direct parallels in their lore to programming and OEA trauma; the utter lack of control many of them have over their own lives; just the fact that they are aliens is... i don't know.

maybe it's... a little bit disturbing that we want to physically be one? that we wish our facade could shift and mold into the form of one. inherently, they are made for a specific purpose, and are made to be entirely subservient to their creators, and if they stray, they are mind controlled until they obey once more--and if that does not work, they are hunted until they are killed. ones that are deemed useless are abandoned.

we've already felt and experienced much of that before, due to the OEA. why would we want to go back to that?

but we don't want to "go back"--i think, and maybe i am wrong about this, but i think we want to be one of the lucky few that escape, that are free, that get to build their own lives outside of under their creators' thumb.

(and, in any case, universes away, the creators of protogens obviously couldn't get to us. "well, duh," the less spiritually/metaphysically inclined may think, "they're not real, they're from a fictional universe." we're under a belief in the infinite multiverse, that every universe that could exist, does. a universe where protogens (and, thus, their creators) are real has been dreamed up already, and so naturally could exist--and so, does. we won't knock other people's beliefs (or lackthereof) about the spiritual and metaphysical, we simply ask that we not be treated as foolish, naive, or crazy for our beliefs--especially since any human could believe in the same thing and you likely wouldn't bat an eye (unless you're just an asshole that believes you know everything. in which case, you probably won't like it here and should promptly exit))

[ghost-jester-sys]

as a programmed system i feel i need to say this:

if u EVER think being made to be a system is "cool" (@ THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE MORE SYSTEMS????)

FUCK. YOU.

i did not get tortured and fucking trafficked for u to destroy the meaning of a *TRAUMA DISORDER*

[cccat-in-a-meat-sack]

Also HC-DID/programmed systems, be really really careful around r/syscringe

id: There has been no clinical proof of the possibility to "program" a person into having DID, as DID is a hidden, covert coping mechanism that only soccurs in a small fraction of extreme abuse survivors. There is no such thing as "HCDID," because DID is naturally a highly complex disorder. HcDID, or Programmed DID are made up terms that dog-whistles RAMCOA. end id

Obviously everyone else should be careful too, but the screenshot speaks for itself.

[disabled-sysboxes]

[TEXT ID: this alter cannot communicate due to programming, please be gentle]

[IMG ID: a light teal rectangular box with a light blue outline with an icon of a person's head with a thin swirl in it to the left, with the text 'this alter cannot communicate due to programming, please be gentle' on the right.]

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[canis-constellate]

although tbh. the worst part about programming is the. programmed self-doubt. "man this probably didn't actually happen, there's no WAY we were programmed in spite of all the evidence! all the 'evidence' is just a coincidence! our childhood was probably perfectly normal aside from one or two things. the programming must never have happened! ignore the triggers, the otherwise unexplainable scars, the other layers, the thought patterns that match up 1-to-1 with an activated program. we definitely Were Not and Could Not Have Been programmed" <- literally a fucking programmed thought process in of itself.

(but at least we know that that, in of itself, is a program. helps us shut it down easier. not that the feelings it produces are any easier, but it's helpful. ignorance is bliss but knowledge is power yadda yadda)

[the-ancient-forlorn]

Sigma, Gamma, Iota, Chi & Kappa

Deconstructing Programming

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Before you read this post, look at my post discussing this series to understand its purpose if you have not already. I will be deconstructing the ideas of more types of programming, continuing with Sigma, Gamma, Iota, Chi & Kappa programming.

See my previous post in this series for more context!

Disclaimer!

I am not denying the reality of conditioning. I am not denying that people will have the symptoms interpreted as programming. I will not deny that, especially when closer to the abuse, these symptoms will be extreme and prominent. The abuse that happens in trafficking, cults, gangs, and similar is very real and extreme. There's just the sad truth that much of RAMCOA stemmed from the Satanic Panic, and a real community of survivors has been caught in a purposeful trap by conspiracy theorists. I am still a trafficking and cult survivor.

Sigma

According to the sources I've gathered, Sigma programming is currently understood as (commonly) anything related to outdoor training and wilderness survival. However, one source by the now ostracized Legion system (source 1) claims that the victim is:

"programmed to split/develop new dissociative parts (such as an alter or schema mode) on a frequent basis, without applying additional torture. This leads to further instability in the victim’s mind and increases the likelihood of other programs being successful and “sticking” to a freshly dissociated part."

For the first definition, one can find a possible example of the predecessor to this idea in source 9, listed as Call Of Wild:

Of course, some people are violently or aggressively trained into survivalism. A great example could be training for the army or growing up in a family of doomsday preppers. However, these examples do not cause programming- rather, they are lessons that people will internalize. As DID includes amnesic barriers, it makes sense that some alters will remember this and others will not.

As for the second definition, I have struggled to find anything useful. However, it is not a stretch to say this is likely another conspiratorial take on the natural consequences of trauma. People who are in the RAMCOA community are often actively traumatized. I was in a cult of personality while deep within the RAMCOA community, for example. This will often lead to splitting more alters. The same can be true with extreme stress. RAMCOA, as a concept, is deeply terrifying for those who believe themselves to be victims of it. Having worsened symptoms of any and all mental illnesses when you're led to believe your abusers are still looking for you and actively have control over your mind, even now, is not surprising.

Gamma

Currently, Gamma is known as a program to be as beholden to your abusers as possible. It is loyalty to the nth degree. Extreme devotion that is tantamount to worship. The abusers become the center of their very worldview.

Svali herself actually mentions this in her book (source 6)

In source 9, Gamma is tied to demonology:

It is also mentioned in more depth in source 10

It seems Svali was the one to change it from some kind of magical spiritual warfare to meaning loyalty. But its origin was in fact the idea of spiritual warfare.

Iota

Iota refers to programming that causes one to self-isolate. This often comes with the idea that nobody can be relied on and that you are truly alone.

Though not named, this concept is present in source 4, something connected to the satanic panic:

Source 6 from Svali also discusses an unnammed isolation program

Source 10 from Fritz and Cisco is also one to mention Isolation as a part of programming:

Once again, nobody is programmed to isolate themselves, however, this is a genuinely common result from trauma. People can feel like nobody else understands them, and if they were neglected in a way that allowed the abuse to occur, they can feel betrayed. It is also not unheard of for people to develop anxiety disorders, including, in some cases, Agoraphobia. Self-isolating in a self-destructive manner is common in many disorders and does not prove that your abusers are puppeting you. It's normal. It isn't healthy, but you're not broken or wrong for something that is natural and often a form of coping with what you experienced.

Chi

This program is also often called Callback. It refers to a program that, when triggered, will cause a massive urge to try to go back to the abusers and the group.

Source 4 describes this without the name Chi:

Svali, once again in source 6, mentions this idea as well:

In source 9, callback in this form is refered to as Chi:

In source 10 it is described as chi as well:

So what's the actual situation these people are preying on? Well, it's a mix of factors. Sadl,y abusers are not just pure evil monsters- they're human people, people who can sometimes be very good and kind. People whom you may find yourself genuinely caring for, then are blindsided by their cruelty. This can happen for things like cults. My mother has many good memories of the cult we grew up in and has red-tinted sunglasses for the whole thing. She was combative when I told her where I was abused and tried desperately to find another place where it occurred. She believed me about the abuse- she just didn't want her precious memories tainted. My father, however, wasn't surprised by where it occurred.

I sometimes want to go back for the nostalgic elements. Sometimes I feel like it was the only place I ever belonged, or what I deserved somehow. Of course, these are self-destructive yearnings, and ones I will never act upon. However, that does not mean I am programmed. I just have a complicated relationship with the two-faced men who were trusted with my care as a child. I also grew up with the rhetoric of the cult, and the cult in general purposefully operated like a second family. I spent seven days a week at that place; it was my everything. I will always be affected by it. The good, the bad, the ugly, all of it has formed who I am today.

There is nothing that indicates your abusers are forcing you back or have planned for this. You are not broken. This is normal, and it's okay to mourn the good parts. It's okay to miss a sense of community. It's okay to be confused about how you feel. You won't magically be forced to go back; you're safe now.

Kappa

According to the few community resources that mention this, Kappa is a program that makes the individual immune to or numb to pain.

This is essentially an offshoot of Zeta, which I covered previously; this has just been essentially rebranded to be specifically the dissociation of pain. Trust me, nobody has programmed you to have a pain tolerance. If you're one of the people who did truly experience extreme abuse, especially torturous abuse, you will likely have a higher pain tolerance. You will also have a higher pain tolerance if you are chronically ill. A lot of people who went through repeated abuse will develop chronic illnesses.

This is not a surprise, nor is it a program. This is a natural result of trauma. DID requires continued trauma for a prolonged period, something that will physically build up stress in the body. This doesn't have to be forced into you; it's just a result of having a high level of dissociation, a high bar for what constitutes pain, or both.

Sources

Here I will list various sources I have used for either knowledge of what these programs are or things that debunk them.

The ABCs of TBMC

A community CARRD

An older deleted CARRD the community re-uploaded into a Google doc

Common Programs Observed In Survivors Of Satanic Ritual Abuse

Pluralpedia on programming

Svali- Breaking Free Of Cult Programming

Svali Old Blog

Svali New Blog

Deeper Insights Into The Illuminati Formula

They Know Not What They Do - An Illustrated Guide To Monarch Mind Control, The Illuminati Formula Used To Create An Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave

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