Voice actors are NOT the same as actors.
It takes a specific kind of skill-set and training to be able to warp and meld the voice. It takes a certain kind of talent and dedication to hone that talent into the ability to meld the voice and invoke emotion with one's voice alone. Actors are used to using their voice secondarily to their body language and their facial expressions. It's all mirrored back on camera. They do have nuance. But it's a different kind of nuance and a different kind of training to produce that nuance.
Voice actors might get their likeness transposed on their character's design, and maybe their mannerisms might seep into the character's animation. But when it's all said and done: their presence is in their voice. They are bringing a character to life, showing that emotion in their voice, trying to keep a specific accent, drawl, pitch, tone in that voice and keep it consistent for their recording sessions.
The voice actor is like a classically trained musician who can play first chair in a competitive, world-renown orchestra. The actor (who fills the voice actor's role) is like a moot who played violin in beginner and intermediate high school orchestra and thinks they can get into Juilliard with that 2-4 years of experience.
This doesn't mean that the HS orchestra moot can't play. They can even be really good at it. Maybe they won competitions and sat first chair. But they are not in the same league as the person who's been training their whole lives and lives and breathes to hone their craft using the instrument and all of the training they've ever acquired to perfect it. They are not meant for the same roles. They are not in the same caliber. You do not hire the HS equivalent when you want to play complex music in a competitive orchestra.
Actors are not the same as voice actors.
And furthermore, actors - especially big name actors - taking the roles of animated characters for big budget films or TV pilots makes no sense anyways when - at least in the case of TV pilots - there's not a point to hiring a big budget actors anyways. That money could be used elsewhere (like paying your animators), and the talent that is brought onto the screen for X character could then be hired on to voice said character no recasting required.
I wouldn't say voice acting as a profession is in danger exactly, but it's certainly being disrespected and overlooked for celebrity clout, and this has ALWAYS been an issue. Shoot, even Robin Williams knew that much - which is why he tried so hard not to be used as a marketing chess piece for Aladdin and got royally pissed off when it happened anyways. People shouldn't go to any movie (but especially not animated films) because "oh famous actor is in it". People should go because it's a good movie and the voice acting is good.
People who honest to god think that voice actors are replaceable because "oh well anyone can voice act" or "I like xyz celebrity so naturally it'll be good" ... Honestly I just wish you'd reassess your priorities because you're missing the point and are part of the problem.
Voice Actors ≠ Actors.
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Arthur’s skin is still warm from the bath, the tips of his hair still damp, and he smells faintly of lavender.
“Is Queen Mithian still as beautiful as they say?” Gwen asks Arthur.
She’s lying with her head pillowed on Arthur’s shoulder while his fingertips brush against her temple and her hair — more an absent-minded motion than an actual caress.
Arthur’s fingers stop. He kisses the top of her head. “Never as beautiful as my queen.”
Gwen pokes him lightly in the chest with her finger. “That's not an answer.”
“Are you jealous?”
“No,” she says, truthfully.
There was a time when Arthur could’ve chosen Mithian instead of Gwen, had he wanted — and he didn’t. (Didn’t choose her, and didn't want her, although he might have wanted to want her, and came close to convincing himself that he did). She’s only curious to hear how Arthur felt about meeting the woman he almost married again, after so long.
“I suppose she is. Beautiful,” Arthur answers after a pause. “If everyone’s comments are any indication. I can no longer tell. You’ve ruined me for any other woman.”
Gwen smiles. “You flatterer.”
“It’s not flattery if it’s true,” Arthur says. “Your beauty outshines anyone else’s. And it’s not even near the top of the list of your qualities.”
He says things like that, sometimes — he even means them. Monumental things, uttered with complete casualness, not because he thinks them insignificant but as if he were just stating facts. Something he would be stupid to deny or to resist.
In the early days of their courtship, Gwen used to find it terrifying. She’s since grown used to it. Mostly.
“But I wasn’t there to outshine anyone,” she teases him.
She’s being playful, perhaps a bit giddy from the wine. She expects Arthur to reply in the same vein — to heap more compliments on her until they reach the height of ridiculousness, or to make a silly joke — but his tone shifts.
He takes Gwen’s hand and places it over his chest, covering it with his. “You are always with me,” he says, solemnly.
And their hands aren’t quite in the right place, because Gwen’s head is in the way, but she understands his meaning all the same — my heart. The term of endearment he sometimes uses for her, when feeling especially sentimental.
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my clone culture headcanon is that they have almost no traditional mandalorian ties, they picked up almost nothing culturally/linguistically from the mandalorian trainers, but the one thing they DID get were endearments/affectionate and-or comforting words/etc.
b/c 1) that was the only way the trainers could somewhat express affection for their favorites without getting dinged for being too attached to them since no one there actually spoke mando’a 2) kaminoans would be Unhappy if the clones expressed affection openly so secret language words were the only way to safely verbalize caring and loving, so they picked up on those few kind words VERY quickly
(The way I see it working is that the trainers had favorites, would occasionally say something like “chin up, hang in there, good job kiddo,” and said favorites picked up those terms without actually ever getting Direct Translations of what they mean. So they get the words and some context but have to jumble it together themselves and pronunciation and meaning change the further away it spreads from the original favorites - because all of this is spread in private, quietly, until it grows its own legs in different iterations with different battalions imho
like they know adding -‘ika to a name is affectionate and feels like a diminutive but they don’t know what it means exactly and sometimes plug it into names in grammatically odd ways, so instead of “Trap’ika” you get “Trapper’ika” which sounds more like “Trapperka” when you’re talking fast.)
(i’m just a fan of gentle soft pet names and showing affection quietly and how love finds a way and how the clones can take what little scraps they were given and make it their own)
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I don't post often but I'm gonna say it.
All of you thinking Crowley is gonna be depressed and crying his snake eyes out in s3 are WRONG. Yall are forgetting it's still a comedy show (with occasional drama).
I propose: He is gonna pretend everything is PEACHY. Just absolutely ridiculously amazing now that The-angel-who-must-not-be-named is gone. Crowley is drunk, partying in clubs, speeding through quiet neighborhoods blasting Killer Queen by Tschaikowsky and alerting the dogs, living the high life, maybe even being more evil again—now that the judgemental glances of angelic goodness aren't peeking over his shoulder anymore.
And then he gets home, or rather a place he occasionally resides for extended periods of time. And the constant drunkenness is wearing him down, like a mountain at the end of the universe after a bird sharpened its beak on it for millennia.
And even though he swore never to return, he revisits the book shop out of instinct or because the Bentley knew that's the one place he didn't want to think about, which in turn becomes the only thing he thinks about.
And that's where he breaks down. This is where he falls on his knees and prays to someone in the rain. And when nobody answers, he picks up his glasses and performs a minor miracle to separate every happy human couple he passes by — because love is a four letter word, and he has damned them all to Hell.
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I don’t know if you’re still doing this, but I’d love to see your reasoning for ‘Talks’ in D tier. (As someone who also agrees that it’s kinda a weird/bad moment, I want to see your thoughts on it!)
I'm always open to discussing my reasons for liking or hating certain moments so I will absolutely answer!!
Ok so "Talks" was always odd to me as a moment because I never quite understood why Terry and Miranda fought in the first place (and I still don't, or if anything it seems...silly? Like something a young teenager would fuss over not an 18 year old) not only that but the only interesting part about it is if you fight with Cove, and even then I understand Cove's reasonings to get upset and it makes sense character wise but it's so...it feels out of character? Again it is mostly because I don't understand the conflict in the first place because it's so minimal as a conflict. We could have had real conflict.
The fact that the main conflict is about Terry getting stressed over how to get home and Miranda trying to help feels...eh? It took me people telling me what the conflict was about for me to understand. And again it feels juvenile and something you'd be able to discuss with a Friend after a night's sleep, not saying that it can't be realistic but it feels more like something a 14 year old would be hung up over than an 18 year old.
The conflict would have worked ten times better if it was about their immediate future, you're going back into the themes of growing up into an adult and you also make these characters feel like actual 18 year olds. They still wouldnt know how to properly deal with fights, but it's also way more realistic if like, Miranda mentioned a college program while hanging out and Terry getting more and more upset as she talks about it but doesn't want to ruin the evening but Miranda notices and tries to make him talk about it only for them to fight. And I just came up with this and we can still have MC and Cove fight and reflect in how their mental state is about this and also how they both feel about moving out from their childhood homes. LIKE FUCK WHY DID WE HAVE THEM FIGHT OVER WHOS GOING TO PICK TERRY UP RATHER THAN THIS??
I'm especially saying this as someone who is 19, like I'm sorry the conflict in "Talks" doesn't make sense and it feels like everyone is overreacting over something so small?
I don't hate the idea, but conflict in our life is always awkwardly handled, then again I think step 3 is the step Kab/GB Lady wrote while in burnout (same goes for Baxter dlc) so step 3 is just a very awkward step that tumbles between great (charity, reflection, happiness, drinks, planning) to alright (hang (both versions), errands, sightseeing,road trip) to straight up mid (talks, late shift,boating, mountains (though mountains is less that and more like "why the fuck is MC spending nights away with someone they barely know?")). With that said it is my favorite step and it does have good moments it's just a hit or miss most times
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