#doomed snily

[thatsillything]

Day 3: Haunt

Snapetober

[imonthatgayshit]

I’ll join you on the hill of unpopular Snily opinions. They were terrible to each other - him because he had no knowledge of how to be a good friend and her because deep down she didn’t particularly want to be once she got to Hogwarts and met other magical kids. I don’t think Lily was all that great tbh from the little we get of her, and think it’s pretty tragic that Severus was so love deprived that he hangs everything on to a relationship in which he’s treated…with a fair amount of disdain? Even in early childhood before his politics become a far more supportable reason for her contempt? But them not being soulmates doesn’t make it any less important, because the details of their friendship don’t really matter. What’s important is that the experience of Severus loving someone transformed him, and allowed him to claw his way to some sort of moral framework despite never having received any sort of guidance.

why do i lowkey agree w everything you just said

also "What’s important is that the experience of Severus loving someone transformed him, and allowed him to claw his way to some sort of moral framework despite never having received any sort of guidance." ATEEE.

[sobsel]

I'd be a snily fan if it was yuri

[comradekarin]

I remember your pro jily posts and how they literally set off a snape stan and they tried to tag their buddies to jump you. Blud this is why harry should've murdered snape

LMAOOOO i had to go back to my tags and you’re talking about this post?? like who do they think they are??? they really tried to jump me because i said how much i hated those ‘lily had a baby with snape’/snape is harry’s father/girl-who-lived (looks like lily and he’s protective of her) aus because snape’s a bigoted loser that got rightfully dropped. tagging their buddies as if anything they said was gonna change the fact that he was still a bigoted loser. and then they never actually jumped me! i blame harry for naming his son after that loser that helped put his parents on a t-shirt…..

[crowflickers]

Oh God this song is on my doomed Snily playlist. Please let me rest bro

[starrylayle]

what are your opinions on Severus snape and lily evans, as individual characters and as friends?

oooh thanks for asking!! i love talking abt hp characters and their relationships with each other ajhkasgfi. warning tho, this is very looooooong.

ok let's start with severus first because i feel like my relationship with him has been the most... turbulent lol.

SEVERUS SNAPE

i was pretty neutral on snape's character when i was first reading the series, perhaps leaning more to dislike. It wasn't until DH where it was revealed that snape was in love with lily the whole time 13 year old me was SHOOK. i became the biggest snape stan and snily shipper. I hated both James and sirius (still loved remus tho lol). and i remember watching so many snape youtubers and yeah i would write praragraphs defending this man and how lily should have chosen him. lmao now u all know abt my snapie past.

However, during my next reading, in about 2018, i began to see snape's flaws more. I was also very active on the wattpad hp fandom (yes shhh ik) and a lot of my friends loved the marauders as characters (they were not in the marauders fandoms, they just liked the characters) and a lot of them hated snape. And then i began to hate snape too lol. However, i really enjoyed reading and watching videos that dissected his character. and i still watched videos from snape stans

i then joined the marauders and atyd fandom in 2021 and now was a pro snape hater. like mans was now the definition of pure evil. Made hating snape a personality trait lol. Though he was the worst of the worst.

it wasn't until late 2023/early 2024 when i became fed up with mauraders fandom and how they fanonise everything. especially considering so many of them stan regulus (which the way they characterise him in fanon is how canon kid snape was depicted anyway) and barty and evan and all those fucking death eaters who were wayyyy worse than snape ever was -- but no, snape is sill for some reason the No.1 evil.

now, i feel like snape is a much more interesting character than people give him credit for, and especially as a kid, was not as bad as marauders fans depict him to be. However, I don't really interact with the snape fandom so much because i feel like they either ignore excuse the shittier things he did as an older teen/adult. I am also of the opinion that James and sev were rivals, and it wasn't a bullying situation but yeah. i wish there were more people who enjoyed both the marauders and severus who didn't make either or both to be saints lol

LILY EVANS

Ok, I'll be honest, Lily's character did not really interest me until I read atyd. To be fair, jkr spent a a lot of time characterising harry's dad and his friends, but we were not given too much info on Lily, and almost no info on if she had any other friends besides severus.

I loved Lily's friendship with Mary and Marlene in atyd, and of course with Remus. and i loved how her personality in that fic to. I don't consider that fic to be canon compliant now and don't agree with a lot of the characterisations but it was still pretty good.

Lily was a bit too sensible in atyd, and whenever we're given descriptions about her from slughorn for instance, or her personality in SWM, she's presented as 'vivacious' and cheeky' so i like to think that she wasn't really a hermione 2.0 but rather more similar to snarky and sassy harry, tho perhaps more popular and well-loved. Her and James were totally academic rivals to lovers omg.

SEVERUS SNAPE & LILY EVANS

ok now onto what i think u really wanted me to address - sev and lily's relationship.

No, i don't think sev was 'obssessed' with Lily, i think he truly loved her but he was also a selfish person. (however tho, how would sev convince voldy to spare harry,, like that was literally all voldy was after like....)

anyways, as kids, they were very close -- maybe a little codependant. I imagine Lily was always facinated with Sev his talk about magic, and to sev, Lily was an escape from his abusive homelife. I think they both may have had a little crush on each other pre-hogwarts.

As they went to hogwarts, they grew apart as they were placed in different houses. Snape was surroundd by pureblood facists which slowly radicalised him, and Lily began making friends in Gryffindor. A war tensions grew, i can imagine snape and Lily's relationship became more tense and strained, and no one knew why they stuck together. But they knew things about each other that no one else did and understood each other in ways no one else could. However, after SWP, it was clear that they were heading down different paths so lily cut him and that was that.

Lily always felt hurt after their break up, but she had supportive friends to keep her afloat. Snape however, was filled with guilt, bitterness and regret and thus became deeply radicalised. I don't think tho that Snape was very high in the death eater rank until the search for harry/prophecy was on.

anyways still mulling things over but yeah, i think they're both facinating and i'd love to see their relationship explored in complexity in more fics!

[lilithofpenandbook]

Yes yes YES!

I'm not kidding, this is exactly how I choose to interpret the Patronuses.

James looks like he should be perfect for Lily, and the doe and stag to an untrained eye look like they're just a lovely natural couple. But it's only when you understand what does and stags are, only when you know how James and Lily are, and like you said about how the stag will hurt the doe, James is probably hurting Lily.

Meanwhile you have Severus, and you'd think surely two does can't mate, surely it's against their nature, but no, they can. And these two, Severus and Lily, despite all else were each others' soulmate. For better or worse. Even though they were in a world where neither of them may have been safe to come out of hiding, so they remained hidden like frightened deer.

Okay, but why is the fact that stags and does aren't the same deer species not more widely discussed in this fandom? Stag refers to larger deer species (red deers, sambars), and they mate with hinds. Bucks are smaller deer species (mule deers, whitetails, brockets, roe deers, fallow deers), and they mate with does. I wouldn't want a stag anywhere near a doe – they are way bigger and more aggressive than bucks. The doe would likely just end up hurt.

I understand that Doylist explanation is just Rowling not knowing what she's doing again, and Watsonianly we can say that Harry doesn't understand the difference or something. But maybe James' animagi form and Harry’s patronus (because we don't technically know the forms of James' and Lily's patronuses, they're just assumed) have nothing to do with Severus' patronus. Just like Umbrige's with McGonagall's. Or Nymphadora's with Luna's.

[ulltraviolences]

me when the only way I’ve been able to get behind snily is if I see them portrayed as doomed yuri

[aeligsido]

Also!! Opinion on snape x marauders ships?

Snape/Marauder(s) uh? 👀

If it's not toxic, I don't want it. The hate/contempt they have toward each other is what is interesting to me here, if you try to turn it into something wholesome or healthy I will be out of here faster than the speed of light lmao. It should be all about hate (mostly for Snape/James and Snape/Sirius), control (the two others but mostly Snape/Remus, perhaps a bit Snape/Peter too), humiliation even (all of them but even more Snape/Peter I feel).

I talked about it with @alwaysyouuuuuu a bit ago, but I could totally see Sirius and Snape hatefucking at some point during OotP and both being completely disgusted about it LMAO. The aftermath could be a fun fic to write for me, but also I would take sides and by that I obviously mean Sirius' side 😂 I can't see them having some sort of relationship beyond a hookup once (1) that they refuse to talk about ever again. So, yeah!!

HBP is a fuel of Snape/Peter that could be very interesting to explore, but also I wouldn't really touch it beyond talking about it or sharing a random thought about it, I think. I'm not attached enough to the characters to want to write about it/think about it more.

I never thought too much about Snape/James. I can see it/the appeal, but also to me it's Snape having a crush and hating it (lot of frustrated wanks here) and James being oblivious to it/not caring about it 😂😂 I don't think I can see them in a relationship and even less hooking up fidkkd It could be fun as an unrequited thing (rip Snape, doomed to never be loved back, you probably deserve it), but really nothing beyond. Likewise, I could probably write something about it, but not much.

Snape/Remus is pretty fun to me, in a Remus-is-my-blorbo-and-look-how-i-can-make-him-suffer-this-time kind of way lmao. I said earlier that I can see it as controlling, but mostly like... I feel like Snape would use Remus as a perceived revenge against James & Sirius specifically. It could make for such a fascinating dynamic to explore (aka I'm cackling while I'm making Remus suffer), but I really can't see it as healthy/requited either didjdjjd. (I tried once to find toxic fics about them but for some reasons all the ones I found were with Remus being the horrible one so I stopped searching dkdkdk)

Snily is another beast of its own 💀

In any case, I'm a Snape hater first and a person second, so he would never come out well if I ever write any of those ships 😂

So like, I don't specifically ship those but I could definitely play with it. I will also absolutely silently judge people shipping them as something wholesome and/or healthy though dijdjdjdjd sorryyyyyy

send me a ship!

[thatsillything]

One of my headcanon's on Snape it's that he saved everything that Lily gifted him. From small birthday cards to the book bag she gave him before the school year the year they had a fight. After their argument, he never appeared again with that bag, so it remained in good condition. That's why adult Snape has a box in the far corner of the closet with a bunch of gifts from Lily, like it's a time capsule.

I'm not normal about it and it's also would be interesting in Severitus settings because Harry would definitely found this box while snooping around a house

[threecatsinacoat]

It's so funny to me to think that if Snape was a woman, a lot of more people would be angry at Lily and Snily would have been just a tad bit more popular bcs "doomed yuri" or whateves

[maxdibert]

snily low key being glinda & elphaba coded .. let’s wake it up! love doomed best friends

Severus is 100% Elphaba coded. I can see also a Lot of Glinda’s traits on Lily but idk if they’re actually too much alike

[dufferpuffer]

Unpopular opinion: had JKR died after writing OotP, the series would have been better that way. The last two books have rather poor pacing, do not add much to the setting or characters, destroy all of the credibility of Voldemort as villain (for the adult leader, at least), and probably do more harm than good to Severus Snape's character. Yes, we wouldn't have had Grindelore (or Grindelwald in general), Snily and Kreacher redemption, but... these are still not enough to redeem the existence of HBP and DH. And fans would almost certainly came up with a better series continuation/finale.

I read this as "Unpopular Opinion: JKR died after writing OotP"

For HBP - I'd say that is unpopular. I like that one, I like how everything went in it, I think she finally worked out how to write a decent mystery... and it was great for Dumbledore's arc.

I'm not saying the Author is particularly good, she was just fine - but she did a decent job in specific ways I don't trust fandom to: I like that she is a nasty, biting, distrusting, traumatized little weirdo that knows what its like to suffer and be trapped. I like that she knows what its like to be deeply mentally unwell, crippled by it - and how fame and money don't change that. I like that Harry Potter is a miserable, nasty, darker version of the Muggle world - and I think most things since the books ended just... forget that. Make it cozy. The love softens the hurt. But she never did that. She made Love a theme - but allowed her characters and her world to be brutalized at every turn. It's great!

This fandom? Handling Dumbledore after OotP? Handling Draco Malfoy? Handling the recent death of Sirius Black? Handling the sheer concept of Harry being a doomed child-soldier...? Shit, we can't do that now, with all the hindsight. All the expanded world-building we got in the last two books, now that Harry was older and given more independence...? Gone? Like 70% of who Snape is and why he does things is in those last two books. And he was one of the few things done perfectly: He is the thread knitting the entire story together. it might be called Harry Potter - but the story is about Severus. He was everywhere doing everything, and you don't realize till right at the end... yet can go back, through every book, and see it quite clearly, now that you can look back on them with Harry's adult eyes and not his kid eyes. She pulled it off really well. It makes a re-read of the books almost mandatory just to go WOAH. It's not One Piece, but it's good - especially for childrens fiction. I'm pretty happy with what we got, especially in HBP.

DH... eh. That one dragged its feet... I like most of the ideas and set-pieces: Starting the book with Moody's death shattered the entire concept of the Order - Hedwigs death was a nice touch, Harry's complete loss of 'Home'... the death of Charity... the wedding getting interrupted... the idea of these kids camping and starving and getting captured over tiny mistakes... But yeah - the way they are executed and tied together is lackluster. Especially the final conflict and the goddamn epilogue. It feels like it was rushed. That there were dot-points and they were strung together and said 'good enough' - because ending something is hard. But HPs ending was unsatisfying. We can do better.

I don't really know what you mean by it destroying Voldemorts credibility as a villain. Like he wasn't the most compelling villain overall, but I don't know what in the last two books was particularly bad. Maybe I'm forgetting something. I don't think about Tom much... But as an egocentric manipulator, only interested in his life story, using prejudice that already exists in the world for his own gain despite not caring for it himself...? I think that went ok.

Please don't take this wall of text as like angry at you or anything - I just blab! It's an interesting idea, Harry Potter without the final two books. You're right in saying 'not wanting HBP' being an unpopular opinion... I dunno if the same can be said about DH :^9

[seriousbrat]

do you like romantic snily?

I do, though depending on how you see things it might seem like the answer's no haha, since I don't really think they should have been together in canon. Maybe an angsty kiss or two. But I've definitely read it and enjoyed it, I just like sort of doomed tragic unresolved romances in fiction. So in that sense, absolutely! I also think that if things had gone differently, Lily could have developed romantic feelings for him. I believe jkr said this at one point but I agree tbh

[smr7k4]

since I'm not doing any fucking studying anyway rn I'm curious what are peoples fav hp ships besides scorbs 🤔🤔 mine is grindeldore (greatest minds of our generation ruined by 2 month situationship) and snily only where snape is a lesbian (REAL toxic doomed yuri)

[starrylayle]

been thinking abt how the marauders era relationships would pan out in every universe and here are my thoughts!!

Wolfstar — lowkey controversial but I don’t think they’re soulmates — they’re more, kinda-wrong person, right time. I think they’d only end up together when things go to shit. Which is part of why I love them so much and why I love them in the canon universe. James and Lily are dead, Peter is a traitor, remus is unemployed and sirius….poor sirius. So yeah, They’re just two fucked up lads trying their best to love despite the world being against them. In universes where they don’t fall in love, can imagine they think the other’s a little off-putting or perhaps no really strong emotions. I think that’s why their connection in the canon universe is so special to me, because I just don’t think they’re relationship would be as prominent if circumstances were different (in other universes).

Prongsfoot — they’re literally soulmates. In every fucking universe. Sometimes, it’s platonic (tho never strictly), sometimes, romantic, sometimes an intense sexual bond as enemies?? Either way they’re always a little bit in love with each other. I do hc James as straight in the canon universe but yeah they definitely made out. And in other universes where James is queer they’re having the time of their lives. Anyways so yeah. Soulmates in every universe.

Jily — Love Jily! I see them as a first love situation. Some universes (like the main one) their love becomes immortalised. However, in others, maybe they move on and find other people, but since they were each other’s first love they always have a special place in their heart for each other <33

Jegulus — …………………………………………………………..

Prongstail — always doomed in the long run. Kinda childhood friends to lovers to ……. . A bit of unrequitedness because I don’t think James could ever love Peter enough. And in every universe Peter always has an inferiority complex and bottled resentment. They’re relationship rarely ends well.

Snily — ooh this is an interesting one. Similar to prongsfoot, I think they’re also a kind of doomed childhood-friend-to-lovers. Except I think that in the universes where Sev does not end being a bigot, they could probably date for a bit. They wouldn’t last tho and would remain as friends. In one universe Lily is an out and proud Lesbian and Sev is a closeted t-girl and they date for a bit but eventually decide to become friends (Lily still supports transfem!Sev in her transition tho). Canon universe tho,,, Sev had a crush on her and maybe Lily did too, but fifth year and James lol.

Nobleflower — ooooh love me some sapphic friends-to-star-crossed-lovers! I feel like in every universe they’d be on opposing sides, depending on circumstance.

Marylene — Friends to lovers, right person wrong time in the canon universe, but in other universes they’re thriving. They still would have had some sort of codependent, homoerotic friendship leading up to it lmaoo.

Dorlene — I like to think they’re always rivals in some context. Sometimes it leads to a fiery relationship, and sometimes it’s just aggressive sexual tension while they’re on opposing fields.

Jeverus — oooh people hate this but. Toxic rivals/enemies to lovers. Sometimes it works out, most of the time it doesn’t. The hate they hold for each is very strong but so is the sex

anyways this was fun!! Lemme know what u guys agree/disagree with! Maybe I’ll do a part 2 lol.