#essenceofthought

[nudgeride]

AIN’T. NO. FUCKING. WAY

Lily… Lily… I CAN’T WITH YOU!

[britts-galaxy-brain]

What do you think about EssenceOfThought's trying to get money from VangelinaSkov over the latter's video on Lily Orchard? I haven't ever interacted with Ethel, but you have, so I feel like you're a more unbiased source for opinions on this. Vangelina's video discussing Ethel's actions, her emails and how everything went down here: h ttp s:/ /w ww.yo utub e.co m/wa tch? v=R KP-FJhgT9c

I'm pissed. Vangelina didn't plagiarize shit. Ethel's been MIA for at least a year after ghosting Onion and I. Now as soon as a bigger content creator covers the darker aspects of Lily's online history, Ethel pops up demanding fucking compensation over screenshots that are supposed to be shared and that Onion and I provided most of.

Ethel doesn't give a shit about warning people or protecting victims. She's driven by ego and nothing more.

[werewolf-cuddles]

Honestly, I'm glad Josh and Ink have both spoken up about the grooming allegations, because while I honestly didn't believe that narrative was true for a second, when an allegation like that is spread around, it's good to have both the alleged perpetrator and alleged victim speak out to debunk it.

But the fact the entire basis for that narrative in the first place was a trivia entry from a badly written now-deleted fan wiki page, one that completely failed to differentiate between Creator and OC, is honestly kinda infuriating to learn.

This is why you should not just blindly trust anything a YouTuber says. If they use bad sources, they might as well not use sources at all.

But it's also interesting that it took Lily so long to latch onto the "Josh groomed Ink Rose" narrative. If it were true, and she'd known about it the whole time, you'd think she'd have brought it up way earlier. Like... during the whole ToonKritic debacle, for instance?

[luxiomahariel]

more plagiarism on youtube? its more likely than you think

[lilies-in-the-attic]

Once again, I am wondering how the fuck Poppy interviewed Courtney about her abuse from both of her siblings, and still came out of that thinking "incest is hot tho."

The TL;DR is that everyone who’s spoken with Courtney outside of the Sai gang and Malcolm does not give a flying fuck about Courtney outside of what she can give to their “brand”.

Poppy brought Courtney to talk on their podcast, with Poppy knowing full well she has an incest kink herself, so she and Zena could jump on the Lily Orchard view spike train. Once Poppy had her claws in Court that’s when she started dumping all the fantasy talk on her.

Ethel (EssenceOfThought) only cared about Courtney and all of Lily’s younger victims because it meant Ethel was the first one to have access to this information in the YouTube sphere. Once Courtney stopped being a Useful Idiot in Ethel’s eyes, she slandered them publicly on her channel. Same reason Ethel went so hard after Vangelina Skov for using the same screenshots in her video that Ethel had used previously: she wants the monopoly on all things Lily.

We haven’t seen how KP and LioConvoy has played out yet, but KP is making obvious moves to distance Courtney from anyone in Sai’s circles that actually gave a shit about them as a person and not as a view machine, and LioConvoy is… LioConvoy. Suffice it to say this will not end well for anyone involved.

I’m starting to think the reason Joon never contacted Courtney directly is because he saw the writing on the wall with all the chucklefucks before him and didn’t care to exploit Courtney further. All of this shit is exactly why their mental state has deteriorated as far as it has.

[weaselbeaselpants]

Want to say this outloud so that the rest of the tag+comunity knows it and knows it well: not all the Lily Orchard-critical blogs and people HAVE to be buddy-buds with each other. It's always nice to have unity and no-infighting but you need to understand we are all adults talking about how we and other people have been hurt/set-upon by her base, or even preyed on by Lily herself.

Barring shitty transphobes and KiwiFarms (I 100% get why someone would go there, espec when receipt trails are getting harder and harder to keep up and are reported as harassment in sites like this one; I personally wouldn't trust the farms and the bozos there to handle my info well or with good faith. Other people who are using farms for receipt-tracking? Sure. The Farms themself? Fuck no and fuck Null) and obviously predatory people in their own right like Zena and Poppy, we're here to tell our stories and make sure other people's stories get told. Beef, even particuarly ugly beef like accusing each other of dismissing ab*se, zionism, or being angry that we're on servers w people we don't like - it's valid to not be chummy and mad at each other. Still, none of that will ever make us what Lily (or Zena and Poppy) is.

Lily Orchard-

wrote CP (her 'Stockholm' series). It may not have involved real children so it's not punishable by law in many states/prefectures, but y'know writing graphic cp is not a good thing. Most annoying proshippers defend the semantics of 'drawn material' out of fear that those rules will be abused and used to silence non-vile art: BUT, they don't support it and they don't want it around;

also, Lily up and lied to her audience, first that she ever wrote Stockholm then that the videos were she admitted to writing it were deepfakes and that the fanfiction's graphic bits were edited in by bronies who were mad at her.

stole (ie. copy-pasted other people's writing) other people's words and passed them off as her own

CONSTANTLY talks over people of color and other queer people. I'm too damn white and not native to dictate if Lily is truly 'native' or not. What she does/say though in the name of fighting for other lgbtq and bipoc folk is really scummy.

and that's JUST the tip of the iceberg!! Lily-

had PatchworkHearts make graphic p0rn of her behind her[Lily's] partner's back, most of which Patchwork was not comfortable with making but did so out of desperation that Lily took advantage of, including drawing r@pe-bestiality of on of Lily's x's ocs.

is quite possibly is a serial sock-puppeteer; creating accounts to live out her darker fantasies. On the offchance that Tara Callie is somehow a real person, than that real person is vile as hell and was just as much (longer so) a friend of Lily's than she was Britt's, so it's cruel of Lily to act like Britt was complacent in Tara's crimes and not her.

has been accused of lying about medical ailments to get money from her audience.

immediately dumped ILoveKimPossiblealot for having the gall to talk to LIly's accusers and get their stories, rather than just take Lily's word.

keeps instinctively misgenders people and only stops when she gets any heat for it like she did to EssenceofThought. By contrast every one of her main critical blogs has not misgendered or deadnamed her, and the one who initially did has actively avoided deadnaming and misgendering her since.

in now deleted videos and older tumblr posts, told friends of abuse victims not to care about their abused friends and parents of incestuous siblings to accept their children's incest.

is being accused by her sibling of CSEM. Lily has said it's the other way around but then also draws her sibling as the darvo'd sister from an incest game, dismisses said siblings abuse at the hands of their half sibling because Lily 'loves' him, and also proudly has mentioned beating up said sibling and slying saying she 'ran off with a pedophile' at 17 as though being taken advantage of (I know, Courtney does not view said relationship like this) is the sibling's fault.

And that's all I could remember for a single post. Im going to go back and post links once this headache I'm suffering from is sated.

[nudgeride]

Ethel you are full of shit

How dare you say this and demand money from this woman

And then you bring up your past trauma and injuries has a manipulation tactic like that has nothing to do with anything

And Courtney Peet has stated you have been avoiding her and not trying to reach out

You don’t care about bringing lily to justice you want money it’s clear by you trying to get money from Vangelina and making a video

Scaring Vangelina because you don’t know when to stop

Now there won’t be another video bring lily’s action to light

Victims of lily thank Ethel for fucking up everything

[britts-galaxy-brain]

Wait. Are you telling us that the screenshots Ethel is basing her plagiarism claims over weren't even originally provided by her? That's hilarious, she's basically implicating herself in plagiarism then considering the use of those screenshots was her entire basis for the claim in the first place.

Yep that's what I'm saying. Those screenshots have been circulated for years now, and most of the ones she had were provided by me, Onion, Cypher, and others who have made the effort to sort this stuff and get it out to people.

Ethel didn't spend hours scrolling tags manually looking for things on her own. She had us helping her. Onion and I were in a group chat with her during the making of at least some of those videos.

I'm not even concerned with being named or acknowledged, but Ethel trying to accuse someone else of plagiarism over it is utter bullshit. And it makes it HARDER for people to want to cover Lily. They already risk Lily and her fanbase going after them. We don't need to add anti-Lily content creators pulling this shit too.

[misstah-joe]

No. Sophie LaBelle did NOT draw CP. Sure, she used stock photos of children for references in her diaperfur art, same with most artists when drawing child characters but you never see them accused of endangering children. Also, diaperfur art is not nor ever has been CP. Sophie is a proud member of the Furry community but that does not make her some zoophile child-predator. In fact, the whole idea that Furries are zoophile child-predators is nothing but fear-mongering bile spread by far-right online hate groups in order to demonize one of the most queer-friendly communities on the planet.

Ethel Thurston (of EssenceOfThought) lied about Sophie being a "predator" all because of her personal hatred of her. She lied about Sophie just so she could throw her under the bus to Neo-Nazis just so she could score moral brownie points. Ethel is no hero of the LGBTQ+ community, she will hurt anyone who isn't an assimilationist model minority like her. Hell, she even became a part of the "No Kink At Pride" movement to hurt people like Sophie. Ethel Thurston is a vile right-wing reactionary cosplaying as a woke progressive. Find better role-models.

You say that. But stock footage or not, it's still a thing that is very looked down upon in the furry community when it's treated like a fetish. I find it really weird, but most people are disgusted by it and treat it as CP and you aren't going to change people's mind who think it is. And people are VERY quick to think of you as a person if you are gonna use real kids as a reference for your artwork.

Sophie wouldn't be having this huge infamous reputation. Especially with them admitting about this kink on Twitter among other things.

And lastly, since when did I ever mention or source Ethel in anyway when I made that post talking about Sophie and Mikaila reblogging them? I have never watched any of Ethel's videos. The only times I ever did was people talking about Ethel and having NONE of her bullshit and lies.

And here's the thing I have to tell ya, I STRONGLY dislike Ethel a lot for all the terrible and slanderous crap she's done. So thinking that terrible person is a role model of mine, you are very mistaken pal.

But you are right about one thing, she is no hero at all. For any community for that matter.

[ladyloveandjustice]

Who’s Lily Orchard?

I'm really jealous of your innocence! She's mostly famous for her 'Steven Universe is Garbage and here's why' thingy, where she said she wouldn't blame anyone for thinking Rebecca Sugar (who's Jewish) is a Nazi sympathizer and called Rebecca a "fucking creep" because Lily is convinced fusions equal sex (wild when you remember Steven fuses with his dad) and various other bizarre takes, (as well as her thread of "writing tips" that involved the idea that sex scenes can never be included in anything)

but her behavior toward her own fans and allegations of abuse are probably the biggest thing to be cautious of. Quoting Wikitubia which has a good overview of her:

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In 2016, her former friend & fellow YouTuber Josh Scorcher released the video "Response To Lily Peet", revealing how she was abusing him during the productions of some of his videos. The video was well-received, though Lily's reaction only enforced his claims by calling him "malignant human cancer" that needed to die in a ditch & wished his wife would break up with him in the ugliest way possible once they got married. This caused him to file a cease desist after she apparently engaged in online harassment and defamation across multiple accounts, which she just laughed off in one of her videos. Around the same time, several people came out about their experiences with Lily such as her ex-friend Brittany who got harassed by her for leaking Skype logs, Bombastic Blake in his video on her and even one of her relatives, Lizzie who she gaslit & alleged that she tried to murder her on several Tumblr posts.

She also encouraged a friend to groom a minor. Two victims, under the names of Glade and Mackenzii, have come forward as victims of Lily Orchard grooming them as minors through EssenceOfThought.

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So yeah, not a person you want to get involved with, which is why I blocked immediately.

[opinated-user]

Sort of a nuanced take so bear with me here-- I honestly think its a little weird that you obsessively post about every trans woman that happens to be poorly behaved. Not saying that Lily Orchard, Sophie Labelle, whoever this Poppy person is aren't doing bad things. It's just I don't know kind of strange that you have a blog all about documenting trans woman misbehavior as a non-binary person. Speaking as a trans woman you come off as transmisogynistic some times. I'm sorry it is. The only people who's bad behavior you post about are trans women. That's weird.

this blog started off talking about LO because i have seen evidence of her abusive/predatory actions to the point i felt worth talking about. she's the main focus.

P&Z came to the picture because they talked and responded to LO's lies about them. turns out they were abusive, as i have seen evidence myself and believed on their victims, and that felt worth talking about. especially since thanks to their videos on LO, the people who watched those and supported them deserve to know the kind of people who made them.

sophie labelle is a big name in trans/progressive spaces. massive even. i was a fan of her work and supported it fully until everything to do with using a irl toddler for lewd furry diaper art came out. i have only ever brought her up on that post in months to make an example of LO having a bigger issue with queer acceptance and usage than with pictures of irl babies being used for porn, so it was relevant.

EssenceOfThought made videos following on LO and then was unabled to continue doing them out of her own circunstances, so that clearly was relevant for this blog. she apologized to both Brittany and me in private for not telling us about that earlier and i have absolutely no ill will towards her or Levi. i'll probably not going to talk about her again in this blog except to say just that.

regarding all of them, i have never, ever, encouraged or supported any kind of harrassment, misgendering or transphobia against them. if anyone has any issue with any of them they can quietly unfollow or unsub. on my pinned post i put link to sites where you can download videos from youtube without giving anyone views if so people want it, encouraging, once again, to not go after any of these people for any reason.

i'm sorry that existing on the internet as a trans woman means being constantly demonized for merely existing. being used constantly as an example of a predator when you haven't done anything to deserve it it's incredibly tought and demorilizing. nobody deserves that. i don't blame you one bit for having a negative reaction when seeing transfemme being called out precisely for that, because so many bad people are going to use that as fuel to keep believing all transfemmes are the same and i hate that, i wish i could change it. for every transfemme that i discuss here i also met so many transfemme who were the sweetest, most considerate, smartest and kindest people that anyone can be.

but keeping quiet about these people is not an option either. it just isn't. they're bad people, dangerous people, who happen to have platforms where they have influence and power over vulnerable people, traumatized people, marginalized people who are desperate to feel safe somewhere. they're bad people because they chose to take advantage of the trust put on them, because they manipulated, lied and abused, not because they're trans women, and if i ever implied that then i'll dennounce it because that couldn't be further from the truth.

these people should never be used as any kind of example of how trans women are. they just happen to be trans. anyone using my blog or anything on it to further that narrative is no ally of mine and i'll block them whenever possible. if there's anything else you think i could do, please let me know.

[soaringlark]

If you've heard of Vangelina Skov I recommend watching this

Not going to tag this with anything, since- not in the mood for fighting, just want to spread the awareness to my followers/mutuals at least

Also if you want, I recommend EssenceOfThought very highly if you want well referenced coverage of situations involving exposing anti-trans rhetoric and predators when relevant

Their channel is run by a trans fem person, her wife and a friend of theirs who helps with editing! I find them to be my favorite creator, not because their content is fun; their content is very dark because of the subjects they cover, but they really truly have earned my respect from how they have stuck with their morals for years now even with heavy backlash

Anyway, that's the post, just wanted to spread the word

[troythecatfish]

[monsterroonio]

Hello! I rly like your content and appreciate the reblogs about Gaza. I wanted to just check in and ask about one of the reblogs u made (not retaining to Gaza or Palestine). I wanted to know if you're aware of who Lily orcher is. While I agree with the post she made I also think it would be good to point out how hypocritical it is to talk about why proshippers are bad (i don't like them either) while in the past she has shipped a real life adult and child together, written incest child rape fanfics for mlp and has made a mlp game where if you choose an option to 'break' the NPCs you are rewarded with rape art of that ncp. A lady on the YouTube by the name EssenceOfThought has made a videos providing proof of Lily's involvement in these creations and in her uncomfortable actions around minors. Idk if you follow Lily or just saw that post and agreed with it but I think it's important to inform you so you're aware of who you are boosting and showing on your blog.

Oh! Thank you for letting me know anon!

No, I had no idea who this person was, but I thought their tid-bit on pro-shippers was interesting so I rebloged it! I appreciate you letting me know, I will definitely go take that down, because I don't want anyone like that anywhere near me or my blog. Thank you so much again anon, I really appreciate you letting me know!

Another example of asks I love and appreciate, please, if something in my blog seams amiss or if I don't seem to understand something, please send an ask, or a message! I am always looking to learn and I am much more open to potential uncomfortable conversations than I am actual harm being done.

[nudgeride]

I see ya changed the title again huh lily? I love how you say you’ve been “harassed” yet no one has sent harassment against you. They’ve called you out on your shitty behavior. That’s not targeted harassment. And lies? There’s evidence of you doing the shit you were accused of like I don’t know.. WRITING STOCKHOLM! AND THEN LYING TO KP! Ok lily? lies?

[samasmith23]

Yeah, that entire Google Doc was complete and utter garbage!

Like… did Ethel FREAKING Thurston write that crap or something?! Because it feels uncomfortably reminiscent of the kind of hyperbolic bad-faith moral absolutist rhetoric Ethel is known for engaging in!

Thoughts on Fennec's Courtney post?

Could not have been handled worse.