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Anon here requesting a part 2 to the recent Telemachus fic. Please 🙏
(Btw- I adore your writing style! Gonna binge your fics later ^^)
Aw, tysm! A lot of yall really want a part 2 so here you go, my loves.
A Lovely Exchange P 2
P1 here
Telemachus x Reader

Synopsis: Telemachus already fights off his mother’s suitors, but what if he manages to become one? To… one of the palace’s servants?
A/N: Ya'll are hilarious in the comments of part 1, dw I hear ya'll I hear y'all loud and clear. Also, don't be shy to send me asks and even suggestions, I don't mind^^

“You like her, don’t you, son?”
Wait… WHAT??
HOW DID SHE KNOW?
Was it that obvious?
WAIT! I DIDN’T KNOW!—
Telemachus was breaking in a cold sweat, his fists shaking as he maintained his eye contact with the ground, not wanting to face his mother.
“I-I…”
‘This is fine, this is fine! Everything will be fine. Just—just lie, right? That seems easy enough…’
He takes a deep breath.
“I… do…”
Athena he has said this once and he shall say it again, please come to his aid.
Penelope’s eyes light up upon hearing that.
Telemachus was holding his breath so much you’d think he was about to pass out. Thankfully, his mother spoke before he turned blue.
“Good, I always knew you had the eyes for her. Honestly, son, I was just waiting for you to tell me! I always wondered why you’d often avoid Y/n, she is always so sweet and kind—mostly the reason why I favour her so much. Then I realised that's why you were avoiding her. You liked her! How adorable.”
Telemachus took a few good seconds (or more) to process his mother’s words.
Seriously? She KNEW?
And she didn’t SAY ANYTHING?
Well shit, he didn’t know he was that obvious. She could’ve spared him the embarrassment on that one but alright.
“Mom, you knew? This entire time? You KNEW?”
Telemachus asked, standing up and going through a crisis right in front of his mother. Penelope nodded with a sweet smile on her blissful face.
“Why did you not say anything?”
“I wanted to see for myself of course. And the way you spoke to Y/n earlier just proved it.”
Fuuuck he was so AWKWARD WHEN HE SPOKE TO Y/N.
Athena can turn back time, right? She's a goddess so she’s definitely capable of that right? Or maybe he can make a deal with another god just so that Y/n can forget that Telemachus ever existed.
God, he wanted to pass out so badly!!
“It’s alright son, Y/n is more than suitable to be your partner! Speaking of which, look at how beautiful the roses have blossomed this day. You sure chose a lovely girl to court, do you think this is her favourite flower? Or Is it daisies? ”
Penelope sounded so blissfully unaware as she put her hands together, excited with the idea of Telemachus and Y/n together.
“Mom! Please! I’m not even able to speak to her in complete sentences yet! Let alone be her partner right now! Y/n is…”
“Yes, my prince?”
A serene voice called out.
Telemachus froze like ice.
His mother on the other hand immediately got up on her feet as she approached the voice.
“Y/n! Just in time, my dear. We were just talking about you.”
…Shit.
Having heard your name be called out from a distance, you decided to see where all the commotion was coming from. Soon enough, you found yourself being approached by the Queen and a very… conflicted looking Telemachus.
Did he tell his mother about what happened earlier? Is he still nervous? Why did he look so… red?
Your thoughts were put on hold as you saw Queen Penelope in front of you.
“Did you need anything, my Queen?”
You asked her, her gaze mischievously shifting from you to Telemachus for a split second.
“My son and I were just speaking of your beautiful work in the garden, my dear. You’ve outdone yourself Y/n.”
Telemachus nodded in agreement, an offputting smile on his lips and a pink hue returning to his cheeks and migrating into his ears, which he tried to hide under his hair.
It was no surprise the flowers you grew were quite a wonderful bunch. Your father used to be the palace gardener and in his spare time, he’d teach you all of his tricks on how to take care of flowers of all kinds. And since his retirement, you unsurprisingly took over.
Hearing the Queen’s praise warmed your heart.
“In fact, you have done so well that Telemachus would love to thank you with a quaint little dinner with him! A lovely exchange isn’t it?”
A dinner? With the prince? How sweet of him, perhaps he does like you a little bit. It doesn’t explain why he’s looking at Queen Penelope in disbelief like she just betrayed him.
Because she did.
He just said that he still couldn’t talk to her in coherent sentences.
And she sets him up with her, on a date, alone, just the two of them.
This is it, he couldn’t believe it.
His mother, his own mother, wants to kill him.
There was no other explanation as to why she would EVER suggest this.
Except if she wanted to actually kill him.
“Telemachus!”
Penelope called out to him, snapping him out of his daze. He fixes from looking at her back to you, with a genuine little smile at him.
“It’s settled then, yes? You will mar—I mean, dine with Y/n tonight correct?”
The boy managed to let out an awkward and voice-cracked “Yes’.
Penelope couldn’t hide her smile at the two as she put her hands on your shoulders.
“Wonderful, You’d be a delightful daughter-in-law!”
You quickly turn your head towards her, daughter-in-law. Is she ensuing…
Meanwhile, Telemachus was for sure about to give in on his own knees.
“I mean—oh well, we shall prepare for your upcoming date now. Come along Telemachus! We have much to discuss! As for you, Y/n, I shall have a tailor for your clothes shortly. We have a special dinner to prepare!”
Penelope moves with a quick pace, dragging Telemachus by his arm which was soon to break from her force.
“AH! Mom! I almost tripped!”
“One must endure slight pain when they are in love, my son.”
“I could’ve gone limp!”
“Same thing, Telemachus. Come along now! We have much to discuss.”
It was a bit confusing, but nonetheless, the exchange brought a sweet smile to your face.
Perhaps Telemachus is a sweetheart.

Sorry if it was a bit rushed, I wanted to work on other one-shots for a bit.
(Aka I'm writing a dark romance Antinous x Reader one-shot since that man has been in my head for so long now and I need to feed my delusions)
Don't expect a part 3 to this btw, I have other fics to write.
(Like the Antinous one, I swear please just let me get this one-shot out PLEASE)
Anyway, hope you liked this one.
-Fatal-thoughts
#epic the musical#epic the musical x reader#epic the wisdom saga#epic telemachus#epic penelope#epic x reader#epic wisdom saga#telemachus#fatal-thoughts#fatal-thoughts ask#telemachus x reader
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you wonder why I'm bitter?
#ask hurtful questions get hurtful answers#what if irene got to see Teresa after she “came back"#ive always subscribed to the idea of Irene being quietly and bitterly in love with Teresa her whole life but never telling her#and giving Clare her remaining arm in what she thought would be a fatal decision as means to repent for surviving Teresa’s death#(survivors guilt)#while also passing off the responsibility of avenging her#she’s complicated...I have more in the tank I’m just saving it for future posts#irene claymore#claymore#claymore manga#quicksword irene#teresa claymore#teresa x irene#teresa of the faint smile#stillindigo art
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im OBSESSED with you saying Xisuma's fatal flaw would be arrogance, i never would have thought of it and it tickles my lizard brain. could you go into more details about that vibe?
It's a couple things! Granted, I haven't watched Xisuma regularly in about a year, so I've atrophied a bit when it comes to him and his personality. Take what I say with a grain of salt.
I want to note that I don't mean arrogance in the sense that he thinks he's inherently better than people. He tries really hard not to do that -- I've listened to a few of his vods, and a lot of them have to do with deconstructing his worldview, changing assumptions he's made about people and politics, walking back and forth down a line of thought until eventually he settles somewhere on that road.
But during those reconstructions, I noticed they generally came from very heavy assumptions first, things he says with his full chest, and then has to walk back. There is a certain amount of arrogance in assuming you know what you're talking about, when you have only a handful of facts and perspectives at your disposal. This makes the vods interesting. He can talk back and forth with his audience about something he's learning about, and it becomes entertaining watching people discuss with him, and watching his opinion on that thing actively change. But that doesn't change the fact that he tends to start with: "So I saw this thing recently, and I think it's good/bad/morally ambiguous, and here is why."
There is a certain amount of arrogance in assuming you know something correctly automatically.
Which is, actually, my second reason for choosing arrogance. It seems like a lot of Xisuma's "derp" moments, his simple and silly mistakes that he makes when making machines or doing building, etc, stem from moments of arrogance. He assumes he has done something right, doesn't double check it, and then later when it breaks, he figures out something small and simple has gone wrong. Most of the time, this is funny. Look, Xisuma has made a silly mistake again! But sometimes these simple mistakes add hours of frustration, cause complete rebuilds of parts of a structure or machine, or inconvenience other people. It gets harder to justify, then, that little moment of, "No I'm sure it's fine. I won't double check."
There is an amount of arrogance in assuming you know something correctly automatically.
He is very proficient. He is very good at checking himself when the moment strikes him. But he often forgets to make that check, or dismisses the need for that check, only for it to come back for him. And, if we're talking about Fatal Flaws, the idea that there is something you do repeatedly that builds, until eventually it's your undoing, I think it would be those small moments of assumption and arrogance. One day, they come back around.
#answering asks#anonymous#fatal flaws#xisuma#hermitcraft#i actually have thought about this a lot#there was a fic i eventually wanted to write#that had to do with sculk as a plague#and the reason the server gets infected is because xisuma makes one arrogant assumption#his fatal flaw........#actually im back in the tags#one could argue his latest evil X arc had to do with arrogance#Evil X says 'please forgive me ive changed'#and im sure there was a little animal in X's head that said#'well... even if he hasnt changed - i beat him last time didnt i?'
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Dunno if this is weird, but I think that some of the comments pregnant women make about their own bodies would be super sexy if they were coming from preds who had eaten me.
An older woman staring in the mirror and huffing, distraught at the size of her gut, groaning and complaining about “I’m so big now” or “ugh, I’m massive…”
All while I’m still alive and squirming weakly 💖
#I just wanna be a whining bulge digesting inside woman tummy#is that too much to ask?#v.ore#v0re#soft vore#vore talk#nom’s thoughts#vore scenario#wlw vore#female pred#same size vore#implied fatal#implied digestion
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someone anyone PLEASE spam my asks or even just message me i’m so bored and i just want to talk about nothing with a stanger

#🪩#spam my asks#girlblogging#girlblogger#girlhood#just girly posts#manic pixie dream girl#hell is a teenage girl#coquette#it girl#coquette aesthetic#indie sleaze#girl interrupted#cinnamon girl#im just a girl#this is a girlblog#this is what makes us girls#sophia coppola#black swan#star girl#just girly things#to be a woman is to perform#femme fatale#lizzy grant#lana del rey aesthetic#the lisbon sisters#just girly thoughts#you blog for girls like me#2014 tumblr#tumblr aesthetic
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percy jackson and julian blackthorn are essentially the same in the sense that both their fatal flaws are personal loyalty, and in this essay i will-
#ali’s thoughts & opinions 📼#i don’t actually have an essay pls don’t ask me to elaborate more#percy jackon and the olympians#percy jackson and the olympians#pjo#percy jackson#julian blackthorn#tda#the dark artifices#tsc#the shadowhunter chronicles#fatal flaws#loyalty#personal loyalty
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And finally:
Knockout threatend him with dental work, so predaking keeps a healthy distance between them at all times.
Soundwave is just scary. Like he never even tried, he just knows it wouldnt end well for him on like, an instictiul level.
The spider looks gross, he may be a giant metal street dog but he still got standarts!
He ate bulkhead once but he was really hard to get down and his round bulky shape made it really awkward to move after, a fact that miku abused endlessly by blasting him with heavy mettal until he gave up his prey in favor of a quicker escape.
Arcee looks really tasty, a perfectly sized morsel, but shes just too damn slippery for him.
Its a work in progess.
Wheeljack just resulted to the old ' stick an upright sword in their mouth to keep em from closing it' trick everytime he tried, until he realised the maniac carries a live grenade on his hip at all times and is not worth being exploded from the inside.
Bumblebee gets a freebie.
After the optimus incident, starscream mentioned that predaking looked like one of those human pets after they eat a wasp, to wich predaking went and asked the ship computer what a wasp is and subsequently learned that black and yellow striped things are apparently not edible. Now he's not sure if that applies to cybertronians, but either way, he ain't risking it.
honestly, I love this, our man predaking is a brilliant pred and I wish he appeared more in the show.
#safe vore#extreme cuddling#soft vore#tw vore#non fatal vore#g/t vore#vore thoughts#Asks#minors dni#transvoremers
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Ur type?
Dangerous women who can make anyone shit their pants with glare
#femme fatale#dark feminine aesthetic#femme#women#mine#txt#dark academia#light academia#spilled ink#spilled words#quotes#dark acadamia aesthetic#spilled thoughts#words#evara.answers#asks#ask#anon answered#anonymous asks#love#relationships#relationship#couple#confessions#couples#women loving women#wlw#wordpress#writersblr#poetscommunity
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Okay you know what?!!?!?!
*Places Aven, @mystic-menagerie and @bnuuwitch in a pillow fort with lots of plushies and blankets*
You all are having a hard time so it's time to chill out. Get some of your favourite drinks and snacks, watch a comfort film or play a comfort game, and rest yourself tonight. Everything will be okay, nothing is going to hurt any one of you and you will survive. I know it.
I know times are tough, and that everything is looking bleak and dark in terms of... Well, everything. But listen to me: You have lived through so much already, you have survived despite all odds. You're a miracle and you're amazing. You'll live to see another day, week, month, year and decade. You'll survive any hardship that comes your way. You got this, I know you do.
And even if things seem terrible, always remember that there's someone who loves you; who waits for your voice (or text) every day, someone who loves to talk to you and thinks about you when they're sad, who gets excited to see your work. Remember that there's things to see and learn. Remember that this world is a world worth fighting for.
I love you all, and keep on being amazing people.
~ 💫 [Umbro]
#OCTAfan says stuff#Fatal Ordeal#Solarstorm starfolk#positive thoughts#positivity#Ask to tag#Spurred on by me realising how terrible Aven is (mental health-wise) right now#Dw I'm trying to comfort him with the help of some friends
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Reading something about "why won't the CoS open the borders will Almyra?"
Disregarding the fact that the only CoS controlled territory is Garreg Mach and the Locket is located in the Alliance, why won't the Alliance open the border and welcome Almyrans with open arms?
Well, it's basically showcased (tfw show not tell) in a certain paralogue in FE16.
To start, this is one of the few "defend" maps in the entire game, iirc we have this one, the "protect GM" version of chapter 12, Shamir's paralogue and, iirc, Chapter 14 when Randolph tries to earn "merit".
Basically, the objective of this map is to protect the locket from Almyran forces who are raiding them for some reason.
Hilda starts with :
"Most of our allies have fallen."
So confirmation that Almyran forces aren't only coming with mock weapons to play bowling with their Fodlan neighbours, or are asking politely if they can pass, House Goneril's allies were killed.
"He's not here?! Oh... I'm sorry. You must have been absolutely terrified."
She tries to reassure her random (a Goneril soldier) that she will help, so they don't need to be afraid/to panic anymore.
"That's you, Professor. Please help us save our allies and protect Fódlan's Locket."
The first thing she says is to please "save" her allies/her randoms, and then to protect the locket. Emphasis again on "saving" lives, because Almyrans are raiding not only houses to bring souvenirs, but take lives too.
"Support! We're saved!" "Ah, things are looking up. Let's keep going, and save the others!"
Yep.
If a loldier dies :
"Oh no! They got one...but we can still rescue the others!"
Hilda still wants to "rescue" the others. She worries about the lives of her soldiers who are defending the Locket, but not only the locket!
If they all die, a soldier says this "We must defend here, or else... Our house... The Alliance...".
And if the line is breached, an Almyran soldier will say this :
"Yeah! We took Fódlan's Locket! With this, we'll be able to invade, no problem!"
:(
So bar this chapter blowing a hole the size of a 7 floors building in Claude's character across both games, we see here that, well, Almyra uses weapons and isn't afraid to kill Goneril soldiers who want to protect their homes and houses to "invade".
So who is behind Fodlan's general apathy towards Almyrans, the CoS like Claude says in both games (even if he seems to reconsider after discovering water is wet in VW), or Almyrans themselves???
Or, in other terms, who are we supposed to believe, Claude who tells us the CoS is the reason why Fodlan people don't like people coming from Almyra, or the game, showing us Almyrans are trouncing Fodlan people to happily invade ?
#random thoughts#I swear this verse is really something#it's the show vs tell but pushed to its paroxysm#we're shown something and told the inverse#and apparently the world believe what is told instead of what is shown#and we're supposed to support the ones who tell us something that completely contradicts what we're told#the lack of Claude's reaction in this paralogue is baffling especially since he got a random one in the Alois one#and even if he later plans to change Almyra's mindset#you don't ask first the victim to welcome their abuser with open arms#logic commands to ask the abuser first to stop abusing the victim and only from then you can try to talk to the victim??#FE16#3 Nopes#sort of#Re-reading Hilda here made me appreciate her again somehow#in the even the kindest people you know can have one fatal flaw#of course the games never do anything with it
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ARCANE S2 SPOILERS
btw 🤗🤗🤗 to me being right about jayce using the hexcore to save or "save" viktor after being deadly (or apparently *dead* I think) injured after the attack against the council and it leading to jayvik divorce 🤗🤗🤗 happy birthday to me 🥳🥂
#lmao to me and celebrating divorces lately hahh 🥂 to loustat and loumand out there#I mean. not that it was that much of a shocker. it was def one of those big likely story line options#jayce managing to break 2 of his promises to viktor before he even wakes up rip#oh I just have a LOT of thought about... everything here really. the parallels and everything.#there's something specific felt here in the disabled sense though. esp w the progressive fatality aspect (personally the latter's not me)#“I never asked for this!” neither did he <3<3<3 no but 1 disability thing here. I was thinking abt ppl overriding your wishes & your consen#also just- lowkey funny his name is *viktor* & then here's jayce frankensteining his viktor#I admit I've yet to read frankenstein. But I've got the novel in my shelf. got cool illustrations too#so far I don't feel the worst about their little plotline here. but I feel like I'm gonna feel curious about it as we progress depending on#how it's handled#arcane s2 spoilers#arcane spoilers#my rambles#arcane
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kind of obsessed with your list of hermits fatal flaws (Grian and Skizz's are spot on), very curious what you think Scar's would be if you have an opinion on that?
Oh hmm.
I'm going to go with Idealism as his fatal flaw.
Scar is a person [and character] of grand plans, whether they be good or evil. He goes into every one of those plans with the assumption it will not fail. That quote of his whenever he starts a new project he's excited about comes to mind: "This is gonna be amazin'!!" And, unfailingly, it all goes wrong at some point. It's part of Scar's charm that he seems cursed with bad luck. When he fails, he fails spectacularly. When he doesn't, even he sounds surprised.
I think idealism was already his fatal flaw at least once in the life series. My brain immediately leaps to the scene in 3rd Life where he betrays Grian, and seems genuinely surprised when Grian comes back sword swinging, screaming "Betrayer!"
Then they do the circle to determine the winner, fists falling, and some of Scar's last words are, "How am I not hitting you?"
He may not have expected to win, but he expected this to be easier.
Yeah! Final answer, Idealism.
[Though "Inability to tell the difference between Good and Evil" was near the top of the list of a hot minute there.]
#answering asks#goodtimeswithscar#hermitcraft#fatal flaws#an interesting little thought experiment: fatal flaws#my fatal flaw is Optimism#if you were wondering
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I noticed that Cucho can speak Spanish. Is he himself Spanish/Latino?
He is! Like how the Unleashed Hub Worlds are based on certain regions in real life, there's an area that's the Central American equivalent where he originates. (Tho he specifically is based mostly on Mexican culture.)
And since the Ancient Echidna's are the Mayan/Aztec equivalent, perhaps they had some connection to Chucho's ancestral peoples. The former was a massive world power at their peak....
Who's to say?
#food for thought lol#Chucho Fatal#Shadow and Jolt#anon#asks#Knuckles the Echidna#Knuckles Clan#Strike's Crew#Sonic OC#Sonic FC#onlyart#sketch#fanart#fancomic#Fancharacter#dog
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bud you gotta elaborate on why qPhil would be such a bad option for the rebellion to recruit, there are a couple reasons why that I can think of but I'm curious as to what yours are
tumblr mobiles being weird and not letting me post links but i did reblog the og post with elaboration
but basically the gist of it is that phil is so so so attached to his eggs that if it came down to a choice between selling out the resistance or his eggs safety he’s choosing his eggs 100% everytime and the federation knows this. and that’s a liability i don’t think the resistance can afford
#like the other parents r def attached to their kids but phil would burn himself alive to keep them safe#idk if uve ever read percy jackson but there’s a bit that’s stuck with me#abt how his fatal flaw is loyalty#it’s kinda like that#i’m interested if ur reasons are similar to mine or if u have something i haven’t thought of#qsmp resistance#qsmp#qsmp lore#qsmp philza#qsmp eggs#asks#posts from the ocean
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what's some predcrushes you don't really get to talk about as much?
ones that i already have mentioned are like, hellboy, fatgum, I’ve only mentioned billy butcher one time and like, my own ocs but I can’t talk about them publicly because I need to make a comic about them and actually get it to take off.
although I haven’t mentioned a few, mostly out of shame, but beelzebub from good omans, Brandon from the wildwood books, falin from delicious in dungeon and just…paladins, like, they just have gentle pred energy, idk, also some cookie run characters
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So the ask got deleted accidentally, but @autisticharrywells asked me about SANGYAO for toxic ship bingo, and now that I have forcibly dragged them through all 50 episodes, i can at last go off---- you FOOL! you have fallen directly into my trap!!! Muahahaha

I do not know how I ended up here. I don't know WHY I ended up here, except that I'm some kind of masochist.
Like I was all prepared to be 100% team wangxian otp and read all the fic and shit, and I started out so promising. (And I do love them...) But then. Then. That little demon brought a bird to class. And the other little demon protected him during the Wen thing. The stabbing ?? The warning as Meng Yao was leaving to huaisang DESPITE actively bleeding. The pleading to Mingjue to let Meng Yao stay despite no evidence of Huaisang ever really standing up to question NMJ decisions before like that (esp in front of other clan members) (other than with things like blowing off Sabre practice) THE FAN CLENCH. MY HEART. And THEN they committed their various atrocities during which the no turning back point was hit for them so many times and yet i do believe the remorse was there and so too was some affection still, twisted as it was by time and hatred and isolation and i... I just....I slipped?
There's so much there!!! (and please keep in mind I'm mostly talking from a cql/the untamed perspective, though I have seen the donghua and am aware of book cannon, I just kinda prefer the show as the version I take to heart (with some notable jgy or Huaisang based exceptions bc i'm nothing if not willing to excuse their pretty boy mid-divorce war crimes))
These two have such a deep shared history that spans the entirety of the cannon, and their relationship is extra fascinating on rewatch as you can more clearly track the downward spiral of events.
There's also the tragedy that it COULD have been avoided, was so close to being avoided several times bc JGY is not really EVIL, (any one who says this is being super reductive imo) but he does preserve himself above all other things and people through sheer learned necessity (with the exception of xichen and isn't that also a beautiful part of sangyao tragedy?? That so clearly xichen and JGY were destined to be the tragic counterparts to wwx and lwj's relationship not nhs and jgy? That xichen was the only thing JGY ever sacrificed true parts of himself for, that huaisang knows that he could have done the same for him, but didn't? Because there was too much history with Mingjue to let it go, and also bc the devotion or affection he held for huaisang when they were both on the mountain never surpassed that point. He had too much caution to truly be himself, and Huaisang, I don't think could ever truly see past JGYs status in the way that xichen was able to since he served as his big brother's vice general and also his appointed companion to a degree. ) And where does that leave huaisang? Where he always is. ALONE. On a mountain he never fit in on in the first place. Where does it leave JGY? Stuck in a permanant customer service role to his awful father and branded further untrustable as a spy. Humilated and broken down to the point of just. So much murder. (Some of which I still maintain tain as a public service coughcoughJinGuangShancoughcough)
They are so much alike and yet so different in such key aspects, that I also have to believe they were meant to act as parallels to one another, just like wwx and jgy, or xichen and wangji. The planning and manipulation they both do (in their own ways bc i am in the camp that while huaisang is smarter than the average bear, smarter than he ever wants to let on bc it makes his life easier, he isnt able to truly outpace JGY's ability to craft a situation. What he is good at is manipulating people and social situations, and adapting his outlined plan extremely well on the fly- with the exception of maybe xichen. I dont think he meant to truly hurt xichen like that. I think that was a natural panic that if JGY was allowed to live it would mean Huaisang actually had to die at some point instead, Though I do also think perhaps there is some lingering resentment there that leads to it to bc why is JGY worth pardoning after his crimes to xichen? Doesn't this mean he inherently valued JGY over Mingjue, over Huaisang’s own pain and anguish? (he did, but not maliciously, lans are love blind we know this))
The tragedies of nie huaisang are inextricably linked to the tragedies of jgy and vice versa! Technically, huaisang, as a bastard of the clan leader with one of his concubines, (I think that's right) should be discounted as a noble son, esp considering his weaker nature and lack of talents dictated to be valuable by the standards of the nie clan. He should have the same status really or at least a status more closely similar to jgy who is constatly looked down on because of his mother's position and bastard status, despite his constant hyper competency, as we see so vividly. And yet Huaisang is given title and rank and (some) respect where JGY gets trodden into the mud and shit of life, even as he succeeds in raising the jin clans success through his actions and talents. Meanwhile, huaisang is thought to be a useless leech by others, untalented in the ways of ruling or anything that's deemed an actually respectable skill by clan leader standards. A pathetic little dude who doesn't know how to do anything, and yes, he does get cast as a headshaker in the eyes of the people, but it's never his background thats brought into question as to why he might be failing. It's considered a result of his personality, not his upbringing. And even then he doesn't get shit talked as much as JGY does. Huaisang has all the privilege that JGY was never afforded, and does that color JGYs view a bit? Does it make him just bitter enough that, when combined with his father’s looming threats and taunts, and Mingjue’s inability to ever let anything JGY does go, that he's willing to hurt huaisang in such a way, even just as a byproduct of his mission?
Huaisang’s plan is successful, bc people discount him as incompetent, yes, but also bc they still see him as a noble, as someone of enough inherent value, diminished though it may be, that he weilds that influence even when playing the fool. JGY doesn't get that respect even at his height of his power and competency as a ruler.
They are, neither of them, strong cultivators. But that factor only really affects JGY bc it means he has to fight even harder for acceptance and validation. Huaisang also gets the luxury of CHOOSING not to be a strong cultivator. Because his position in life IS secure, he can slack off. He is allowed to try his hardest to avoid the fate of his family and do his utmost not to cultivate in that manner. Which I think, too, causes some of the resentment. On both sides. Huaisang never has to work a day in his life, has barely any expectations to live up to and still gets the respect Meng Yao is constantly robbed of. And for huaisang- On top of killing his brother via musically-induced, full-bodied rage embolism, JGY is now also the reason that huaisang is thrust into a position he was entirely unprepared for way before he was supposed to be.
And we know, we KNOW that JGY is responsible for so many of Huaisang’s pretty little things. His beloved indulgences granted not by his own brother, but by his doting san-ge. Things that got burned or destroyed by Mingjue simplu for the fact that a) they were from JGY and B) they are not the type of things NMJ cosidereds respectabke hobbies or skills. A large number of his fans and painting supplies are gifts from JGY, and he stood up for and encouraged those hobbies against the person he probably fears the most at that point, Mingjue (even if he's already actively trying to kill him by then). And huaisang seemed genuinely pleased that JGY had found acceptance and was getting what he (thought he) wanted. The friendship and affection was real, just not near strong enough to withstand the crimes of the other.
And oh boy that divorce was rough and bloody and beautiful and tragic and I just love the messy nature of the relationship, how deep and how twisted it went and became. And i think, right up until the very end, JGY didn't truly want to believe that Huaisang was capable of doing this to him, I don't think he ever wanted to hurt huaisang again the way he had to when he killed Mingjue. Use him? Maybe. But not in a malicious way, not by his standards.
I am happy to read any sangyao content I can get, however! I love reading about them as companions on the mountain, growing together, bonding. Maybe young and in love? I love reading the gradual drifting apart. The years they schemed and used each other. The final divorce. And what comes after. Or what could never be. Any content, I will take, and it depends on where in cannon we are that a particular square is filled in.
Jgy had to fight for both acceptance and sheer survival, and huaisang never really had to do either. Except maybe during the ~10 years of the gap when Huaisang had figured him out, but was pretending to be useless to achieve his ends. You could argue the mindset that aside from just avenging his DaGe, he was also concerned about his own survival bc what if he became an Inconvienience instead of just the annoyance he was playing up to be? If he actually stood in Guanyao's way? It would be much easier to take him out than Mingjue, realistically. But what would be that threshold to have JGY actually do anything? Are Huaisang’s histrionics and uselessness useful to him? Or a result of guilty indulgence? Or left over fondness from a ti.e they were so close? Some combo of all? Who can say and I fucking love that uncertainty about them
Saying all that, these two are the poster child for OTP I don't want to end up together in Canon, lol. Unless it's one of the many time travel fix it aus, they simply have too much history and shared issues and rage between them to ever make sense working out. But their stories are so incomplete without the other, they are inexorably linked, and I just think they're neat!
(Please don't come for me cql fans. im sure I've misunderstood or posted an opinion that's utterly debatable on here. But like, also. I'm tired and I love them and I don't care.)
I have more to say about them that you'll probably get to hear at some point when we talk, but for now, they have BROKEN MY BRAIN.
Also, to all my fellow sangyao peeps: please feel free to send fic recs if you want. I am so hungry for the content.
#also do if ypu dont want to hear it do NOT ask my opinions on N*M*J* bc i have thoughts#that apparently a lot of ppl dont#and we are NOT invlusing fatal journey. a fun watch for like half the movie but also wildy out of character for everyone involved)#sangyao#cql#the untamed#meng yao#nie huaisang#I am not taking any notes on my taste level atm but thank you for fili g#also thanks to batthew for indulging me and letting me spout nonsense about my two favorite criminals in the jianghu#jin guangyao
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