#having to tag discourse just in case

[xosnsd]

The r/arcane subreddit used to be the most mature part of the fandom that had really good discussions on the politics of the show, but after season 2 it’s overrun by toxic caitvi stans who watch arcane with a shipping brain and compare the bombing of the council as something that’s equivalent to 9/11 lmao.

Ya’ll are the last people to tell others they watched arcane with their eyes closed lol

[clearancecreedwatersurvival]

Guys :((( we have to cancel all shipping in dungeon meshi :(((((( yeah turns out all the ships are problematic :(((((((((((((

Falin/Marcille is problematic because marcille is only 60 years old which by elf aging standards means she’s a minor :((( yeah I know that she’s actually a half elf whose rate of development is extremely different from full blooded elves, but we can’t be acknowledging any sort of nuance in these things. Plus it’s bad and wrong to eroticize their relationship at all cause then you’re a sapphic fetishizing yuri-enjoyer and you’re disrespecting Kui-sensei. ☹️

Laios/Kabru is problematic because people headcanon kabru as trans which is Obviously fetishizing trans people :(((( plus the inherent power dynamic with a king fucking his advisor? Not okay. 🙅

Kabru/Mithrun is problematic because ewwwwww huge age gap 🤮

Chilchuck/Marcille is problematic because yuck she’s basically his daughter gross

Chilchuck/Senshi is also problematic though because chilchuck is minor coded. Yes I know he’s a grown ass man with an estranged wife and adult children but he Looks vaguely childlike and if you draw fanart of them it would look Super Bad! Children who don’t know who the characters are could see that and get groomed!!!! Think Of The Children!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway in light of all of this it’s clear that the only non-problematic ship is obviously shipping the Touden siblings together.

Stay safe and Always moralize shipping!!! Because dangerous evil people are out there right now waiting to force children to read their inappropriate smutty fanfiction, and We Must Think Of The Children. Yes even when it is clearly marked as explicit content for adults, we simply can’t allow anyone to have freedom of expression in fandom.

I am very smart and morally righteous. 😇

[queefsencen]

ALSO i see people saying that sophie didnt like keefe until stellarlune or that her switch happened too quickly but my two cents that nobody asked for is that i think she's liked him since at least exile and i thought that was kind of the point ??? obviously everybody interprets the series in their own way but personally i thought that we were supposed to know she liked keefe for pretty much the whole series especially during the sofitz era ?? something i think is sooooo interesting that i never see people bring up is cassius's head vs heart theory. when i read it i thought that it was supposed to be very obviously implied that it was relevant to the love triangle with fitz being head and keefe being heart but everyone seems to forget about it </3 . i feel like it makes perfect sense that her feelings would "switch" to keefe so quickly because she it was already keefe!!!!! she just didnt realize / was in denial / had a 3-ish year long blonde moment

[alchemicaladarna]

Bad is so valid rn. It definitely helps to be like vindicated cuz I can't speak for every ghsotie, but I've been feeling this for like weeks now, so to have it out there kinda feels like a little relief, personally.

Idk hearing Bad crash out and like walking away from his desk was kinda funny ngl 😭

Group crash out session instead of being eviscerated on Twitter let's go!!!!

[plaguedpriest]

do people who say that it "doesn't make sense" to interpret gabriel as transmasc not understand what an allegory is 😭

he's a sexless being that had to work to rise in the ranks of heaven and "earn" his pronouns. then when he falls from said rank he's agressively degendered by the council as a means to degrade him, but the narration insists on referring to him correctly even when it wouldn't "make sense" to because it's what he worked hard for and learning to keep his agency and the identity he chose for himself rather than what's imposed on him is a major part of his character arc.

you can have whatever alternative interpretations and headcannons you want but saying that it doesn't make sense to read his arc as a transmasc allegorical narrative is not only invalidating people's experiences with a character they might honestly resonate with (most people i see who interpret him as such are transmasculine themselves) but also just. kind of refusing to engage with the text in its own terms?

like sure you can say that it doesn't make sense for gabriel to have enough self realization come out as queer and specifically as a trans man and start holy testosterone or whatever since before the events of the story but that's what an allegory is for. the world and story of ultrakill simply wouldn't allow for a character with modern understanding of queer terminology and culture to go through the same experiences that would be 100% analogous with that of a real life transgender man. gabriel is a fictional mythical being in a heavily fantasious non-modern setting that operates by its own rules entirely.

[littlespoonevan]

i think the thing for me and the thing that's actually bothering me the most in general is that i don't think any show in 911's category that i've ever watched (that is: network tv shows that run on a weekly basis for most of the year with no definitive or planned ending until cancellation) has gotten better after killing off a main character

[starheirxero]

PLEASE become evil on main your thoughts are always very interesting !! :3

Anon I need you to know I was debating just only making that one post and then biting my tongue about the rest but this ask was genuinely so relieving to see that I teared up a little bit thank you HDKSHDJD

I did, however, uhm. talk a Lot. and I'm very much being more honest about my feelings on this than I usually am, so it's going under the cut bdjshdjdnf

Ahem ahem. So. From a meta standpoint? I just have a very, very weird feeling about what's going on with tsams now that they've Also changed Lunar's name. The only information we have on what's happening is from Discord, where Kat mentioned it wasn't her choice to change Earth's name and the mods reassuring everyone that the changes are for a good reason. I've been seeing theories that the changes are to make them more sellable for merch? But I,, don't fully know why they'd have to change their own OCs for that? So idk

From a story perspective though? It doesn't make sense and it's just another vein of Lunar having no choice in what happens to them.

Just because Libra asked "do you accept this permanent name change?" doesn't mean that "no" was a valid answer, because then what would have happened? They say "actually, I like my name, Lunar feels fine" and then what? The astrals, of which are famously judgy and pushy, say "okay, we'll continue to call you Lunar then! (Even though we just said that Lunar is an unfitting astral name)" like?!?!!??? And Lunar just immediately goes home to be like "uh. I guess I have a different name now? and I don't wanna deal with two names, so just call me Cosmos too."

They didn't make this choice. And honestly! They couldn't have because Lunar wouldn't have ever changed their name of their own volition!!! You can't tell me that Lunar—the character who is known for trying to cling onto a sense of identity so hard that it causes more problems for them in the long run—would be willing to let go of their own name? That is the one thing about them that actually hasn't changed since the beginning, the one thing that's consistent in the face of everything.

Plus, on a more personal note? I had an experience with my old username where everyone was calling me a nickname derived from my url instead of my actual chosen name, and the realization that only one person was calling me my actual preferred name made me have a messy identity crisis. If Lunar wasn't just, a character who is unfortunately the subject of bad writing lately, this choice would probably hit them at some point. They'd probably have that same awful, dreadful feeling of "oh god. no one even knows me."

It's just. Earth made sense because she at least gave her own reasons. She said "yeah I'm tryna be my own person now, so I'm Terra!" but Lunar's reason was just "uh. Libra gave it to me sooo.... 👍 yup." Like. augghhh. They could have gone by both Lunar and Cosmos too if the writing wasn't being so weird but !!! ugh. deflates. it's whateverrrrr

[castleofravens]

unpopular opinion but you're allowed to say that characters such as fitz or keefe or sophie exhibit toxic behaviors.

teenagers can be manipulative. teenagers can be cruel. teenagers can be jerks sometimes because they are still learning how to be people.

and saying they exhibit toxic behaviors isn't calling them toxic, just as saying a kid did something naughty (drawing on the walls, breaking something, etc.) doesn't make them a bad kid, you aren't defined by your behaviors because those are things you can change.

however it is still a perfectly valid thing to say "hey this behavior isn't healthy and they should be held accountable for this" because that's... something that is applicable to real life as well?

i'm a little older than a lot of the main keeper crew but still a teenager and i've dated people my age who were manipulative/toxic. you can absolutely have those behaviors as a teenager, and a shitty home life or mental health issues are explanations but they should never be excuses for that behavior.

topics such as this especially when they deal with trauma, mental illness, abuse, and interpersonal relationships should be looked at with way more nuance than a lot of people give it.

because yes, keefe (just as an example) does have textual evidence of toxic behaviors regarding his relationships (particularly with fitz and sophie), however that does not make him a toxic person. he does care about his friends and girlfriend (i don't remember if they made that official or not), he's just... inexperienced with relationships? and doesn't have much healthy examples from older figures to go off of for how he should act (just as fitz doesn't have healthy examples from older figures for how he should manage his emotions). (i would love to write an essay on cassius and gisela's relationship and how that affects keefe's relationships) (or the vackers' attitudes towards image and how that affects fitz - and biana's - self image)

i think a lot of keefe hate just stems from frustration that he doesn't really get held accountable a lot the same way other characters do, and i get that, but that still isn't an excuse to claim he's some horrible unredeemable person. he is a realistic and flawed character, you can't fit him in any "keefe good" "keefe evil" box, he simply is.. keefe? he definitely has shit he needs to work through but he's not... forever doomed to be some monstrous villain or whatever, a lot of people need a little (or big) nudge in the right direction to self awareness. people change, that is the nature of... i would say humanity but they're elves but i think the point would end up the same

[bogkeep]

oh my god it's so nice to have a text post getting Fun and Good tags for once... yes Do tell me more about your feelings and favourite examples of the royalty trope/genre.......

[butchreyes]

posting this on my lone star sideblog because i have to complain about og in secret…. i am seeing a degree of insanity the likes of which i have never seen. peter krause is the executive producer of this show and literally said that he wanted his character to die last year. this did not happen because tim hates you and is a horrible writer and is ruining the show that he created. i promise you peter krause wanted to leave.

[54625]

am I hallucinating or are hideduo fans way weirder about fit x sausage than they ever were about pac x guaxinim

[lionheartedmusings]

i actually love that canonically q!wilbur had no choice BUT to leave because whether he remembers it or not, he's contractually obligated to the federation. he can't disobey them, especially when by all intents and purposes lovejoy is keeping the feds money flowing.

idk i just think that q!wilbur gets characterized as an absent parent by choice, or like he just "left" but this means that canonically he had to leave. he had to go, he was forced to, he had no choice. he didn't abandon his child, he was doing what he could to provide for her.

his argument with phil? totally valid, on both sides. phil has every reason to snap at will, and will has every reason to be overwhelmed and angry that his daughter is missing. they both had a deeply emotional moment, processed it, and then apologised.

tl;dr - just because we witnessed what tallulah and q!phil went through, it doesn't make q!wilbur a villain or make him this absentee parent who doesn't give a fuck! layers, people, layers!

[pinkeoni]

I feel as though there is a desire to completely dichotomize byler when they don’t need to be polar opposites in order to fit together. They are individuals, but it’s their differences AND their similarities that make their dynamic what it is

[the-way-astray]

hey everybody. i've seen a lot of people make posts that say something negative about a character, then at the end proceed to be like "this post isn't anti [character], i love [character], so i'm not tagging it anti [character]". and to people that do that: i feel like you miss the point of tagging? you don't have to be a [character] hater to make a negative post about a character. the point of tagging things anti [character] is so that people who don't want to see anything negative at all about that character don't have to see it. we are being respectful. if you make a post that's even a little anti [character], just tag it. just in case. people that like the character may not want to see that, and we need to respect that.

for example, if you love keefe, but you vent your frustration about how much space he takes up in the story or something, that is still an anti keefe post. nobody cares that you like keefe if the post itself is still being negative about keefe. tag it appropriately. this isn't about your personal opinion, it's about the post. some people who love keefe will not want to see any of that at all, and will want to have a purely positive fandom experience, and we need to tag appropriately so that they can block properly.

tagging isn't about whether you like the character. it's about the specific post you make.

[plaguedpriest]

I feel a little bad for playing such a big hand on starting this discourse (i wasn't the one who made the discovery but i was the one who got QRT'd by Hakita originally and it was my tweet on it that blew up) so i might take a indefinite break from making ultrakill content for the time being.

i know i'm taking things too personally when i was never really the target but logging into social media and seeing ppl in a community i treasure so fondly essentially calling me stupid everywhere feels very disheartening regardless ngl

[ko-odi]

atp u could tell me any crazy obscure hyperspecific queer microlabel and 95% of the time id CHEER bcs seeing people argue over even the most basic level 2 lgbt concepts recently has been so frustrating