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blogtey45 · 2 years ago
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Big Why | Why Do You Want To Write This Book | Summit Press Publishers
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strangebiology · 6 months ago
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Success is Dependent on Secret Information
A lot of career success depends on you and the work you put into it, as well as luck beyond your control, but sadly, it also depends on secret information, magic words, and stupid little tricks.
That's not fair. I don't like it, but we can help by sharing that secret information--which is the antidote to gate-keeping. That's why I recently wrote this in my Authors of Nonfiction Books in Progress substack:
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It can be really disheartening to realize that, when you thought you failed at something because you didn't do well enough, other people had the magic words. For instance, some injustices I've witnessed (that may or may not always be the case, or maybe not anymore!) include:
A good athletic score doesn't get you into a college sport--having a coach or parent talk to the college coach is mandatory
Many school-sponsored scholarships are often not tightly linked to grades, test scores, or financial need, but whether the student said the right words ("I can't afford that") to the right person (presumably some financial office person.)
Apparently, some aspects of some degrees are cheated on by most students (if that's the case, we should tell all students that it's ok to cheat on that so they don't waste their time on something that apparently wasn't important anyway, or worse, fail out just for being ethical.)
Especially related to books: Few people will mention that you can get grants! Not my agent, not my publisher, not the 1 zillion "pros and cons of trad publishing" articles out there mentioned grants (Grant eligibility is a HUGE benefit of trad publishing.) I got more money from grants than my entire book advance!
Let me know what magic words/secret knowledge you've learned, that you wish you knew sooner. Or: the widespread understanding of what information would make a field more fair?
And please share ANBIP with anyone writing, publishing, or seriously about to start writing, a nonfiction non-memoir book, especially if they're interested in the more practical side (I share more about resources and strategy than craft.)
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damonp304 · 2 years ago
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Big Why | Why Do You Want To Write This Book | Summit Press Publishers
Why do you want to write a book? What is your primary motivation? The answer will influence the genre you choose and your forward momentum.
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thewriteadviceforwriters · 1 year ago
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Master Dialogue Writing Techniques for Engaging Fiction (For Writers)
(Beware, long post!)
As fiction writers, we all know that effective dialogue is essential for bringing our stories and characters to life. After all, the way our protagonists, antagonists, and supporting players speak to one another is one of the primary ways readers get to know them on a deep, intimate level. Dialogue reveals personality, uncovers motivation, and propels the narrative forward in a way that felt narration simply can't match.
But nailing natural, compelling dialogue is easier said than done. It's a craft that takes serious skill to master, requiring writers to have a keen ear for authentic speech patterns, a nimble handle on subtext and implication, and the ability to strike that delicate balance between being true to real-world conversation while also keeping things snappy, dynamic, and laser-focused on the story at hand.
If you're someone who struggles with crafting dialogue that truly sings, never fear. In this in-depth guide, I'm going to dive deep into the techniques and best practices that will help you elevate your dialogue writing to new heights. By the end, you'll have a toolbox full of strategies to ensure that every exchange between your characters is as gripping, revealing, and unforgettable as possible.
The Fundamentals of Effective Dialogue
Before we get into the more advanced nuances of dialogue writing, let's start by covering some of the foundational principles that all great fictional conversations are built upon:
Reveal Character One of the primary functions of dialogue is to give readers a window into who your characters are as people. The way they speak — their word choices, their tone, their body language, their turns of phrase — should provide vivid insight into their personalities, backgrounds, values, quirks, and emotional states.
Think about how much you can glean about someone just from how they communicate in real life. Do they use a lot of slang and shorthand? Are they verbose and flowery with their language? Do they struggle to make eye contact or fail to respond directly to questions? All of these subtle linguistic cues are powerful tools for crafting multi-dimensional characters.
Drive the Plot Forward While revelations about character are crucial, you also want to ensure that your dialogue is constantly pushing the story itself forward. Each exchange should feel purposeful, moving the narrative along by introducing new information, triggering plot points, creating conflict, or prompting characters to make pivotal decisions.
Dialogue that feels aimless or extraneous will ultimately bore readers and detract from the forward momentum of your story. Every line should have a clear intent or function, whether it's uncovering a hidden truth, setting up a future complication, or escalating the tension in a high-stakes moment.
Establish Distinct Voices In a story featuring multiple characters, it's crucial that each person has a clearly defined and differentiated way of speaking. Readers should be able to tell who's talking just from the rhythm, diction, and personality of the dialogue, without any additional context clues.
This doesn't mean every character has to have an over-the-top, hyper-stylized way of communicating. In fact, the most effective character voices often feel grounded and natural. But there should still be distinct markers — whether it's word choice, sentence structure, tone, or speech patterns — that make each person's voice instantly recognizable.
Convey Subtext While the literal words being spoken are important, great dialogue also traffics heavily in subtext — the unspoken emotional undercurrents, power dynamics, and hidden agendas that simmer beneath the surface of a conversation.
The most compelling exchanges happen when characters are communicating on multiple levels simultaneously. Perhaps they're saying one thing out loud while their body language and tone convey a completely different sentiment. Or maybe they're engaged in a subtle war of wits, trading verbal jabs that reveal deeper wells of resentment, attraction, or vulnerability.
Mastering the art of subtext is key to creating dialogue that feels layered, lifelike, and imbued with dramatic tension.
Strategies for Writing Snappy, Realistic Dialogue
Now that we've covered the foundational principles, let's dive into some specific techniques and best practices that will take your dialogue writing to the next level:
Omit Unnecessary Details One of the biggest mistakes many writers make with dialogue is bogging it down with too much extraneous information. In real life, people rarely speak in perfectly composed, grammatically correct full sentences. We stumble over our words, interrupt each other, trail off mid-thought, and pack our speech with filler words like "um," "uh," and "you know."
While you don't want to go overboard with mimicking that messiness, you should aim to strip your dialogue of any overly formal or expository language. Stick to the essentials — the core thoughts, feelings, and information being exchanged — and let the subtext and character voices do the heavy lifting. Your readers will fill in the gaps and appreciate the authenticity.
Master the Art of Subtext As mentioned earlier, crafting dialogue that's rich in subtext is one of the keys to making it feel gripping and lifelike. Think about how much is often left unsaid in real-world conversations, with people dancing around sensitive topics, conveying hidden agendas, or engaging in subtle power struggles.
To layer that sense of unspoken tension into your own dialogue, consider techniques like:
• Having characters contradict themselves or say one thing while their body language says another
• Utilizing loaded pauses, interruptions, and moments of uncomfortable silence
• Injecting subtle sarcasm, skepticism, or implication into a character's word choices
• Allowing characters to talk past each other, missing the unspoken point of what the other person is really saying
The more you can imbue your dialogue with that layered, emotionally-charged subtext, the more it will resonate with readers on a deeper level.
Establish Distinct Voices As mentioned earlier, ensuring that each of your characters has a clearly defined and differentiated speaking voice is crucial for great dialogue. But how exactly do you go about accomplishing that?
One effective strategy is to give each person a unique set of verbal tics, idioms, or speech patterns. Maybe one character is prone to long-winded, flowery metaphors, while another speaks in clipped, efficiency-minded sentences. Perhaps your protagonist has a habit of ending statements with questioning upticks, while the sarcastic best friend always punctuates their barbs with an eye roll.
You can also play with differences in diction, syntax, and even accent/dialect to further distinguish how your characters communicate. The key is to really get to know the unique personality, background, and psychology of each person — then let those elements shine through in how they express themselves.
Lean Into Conflict and Confrontation When it comes to crafting gripping dialogue, conflict is your friend. The most compelling exchanges often arise from characters butting heads, engaging in verbal sparring matches, or working through deep-seated tensions and disagreements.
Conflict allows you to showcase the high stakes, unresolved needs, and deeper emotional currents that are driving your characters. It forces them to make bold choices, reveals aspects of their personalities that might not otherwise surface, and generates the kind of dramatic tension that will really hook your readers.
Of course, you'll want to avoid making every single dialogue scene a full-blown argument. But learning to sprinkle in well-placed moments of friction, confrontation, and clashing agendas is a surefire way to elevate the energy and impact of your character interactions.
Read Your Dialogue Out Loud One of the most valuable tricks for ensuring your dialogue sounds natural and lifelike is to read it aloud as you're writing. Hearing the words out loud will quickly expose any clunky phrasing, overly formal grammar, or inauthentic rhythms that would otherwise go unnoticed on the page.
Pay close attention to how the dialogue rolls off your tongue. Does it have a smooth, conversational flow? Or does it feel stilted and unnatural? Are your characters' unique voices shining through clearly? Are there any spots where the back-and-forth starts to drag or feel repetitive?
Actively listening to your dialogue — and making adjustments based on how it sounds in the real world — is an essential part of the writing process. It's one of the best ways to refine and polish those character interactions until they feel truly alive.
Hopefully, this can help you all!
The key is to always keep your focus on authenticity. Ask yourself: how would real people actually speak?
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r-aindr0p · 1 month ago
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Oh yeah like two days ago I woke up and I instantly remembered this guy for no particular reason
Green bike guy.....
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poorly-drawn-mdzs · 2 years ago
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Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girl found dead in a hidden room.
[First] Prev <–-> Next
#poorly drawn mdzs#mdzs#lan xichen#jin guangyao#jiang cheng#wei wuxian#qin su#EDIT: Tumblr published an earlier draft with only half the notes I wrote so: late entry on my JGY thoughts.#Unlike the mystic powers of the stockmarket (what the OG meme is referring to) I think this situation calls for more active investigation.#qin su is such a deeply tragic character to me and I really wish we got a bit more from her.#Love everyone who sent me messages about her after the last time she appeared.#I think she needs a spin off of her being a transmigrator SO badly.#MDZS has so many interesting characters - but it sometimes fails to give them the proper room to really develop past a role in the plot.#That's just the consequence of writing a story like MDZS. Not every character in a book *needs* to have a rich inner life and backstory!#To do so would bog down the story and obliterate any notion of pacing. It's just not possible.#Jin Guangyao (nee Meng Yao) is unfortunately not free from this leeway rule. He is the culprit of this murder mystery plot#and thus NEEDS to encapsulate the themes of the book. And personally he's a 7 out of 10 at best on this front (in the AD).#MDZS is about rumours twisting reality and working towards truth. And about how people & situations are rarely ever black & white#JGY has his motivations. He's well written in regards to his actions making sense for his character.#What started as good traits (drive to succeed & improve his image) became twisted over time (do anything to maintain his image)#and it's a good parallel to WWX! He has the same arc (with different traits)! Bonus points for IGY in that regard.#but man....by the time we confront this guy for murder there's not a lot of grey morality. He's just...deep in the hole *he* dug.#There's a beautiful tragedy to it! More on JGY in later comics - this is getting pretty long already!
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thenecropolix · 7 months ago
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I don't know who to send this ask so I'm gonna leave it out here for the public because it just came to me out of the blue: locomotive literature
And I don't mean literature about locomotives, but rather literature written by locomotives
Train biographies detailing their lives on the railway and documenting how things have changed since they were first built
Ghost writers publishing literary works written by trains
Trains with human editors sitting on their buffers as they write down what their engines say and making adjustments for those especially picky or who's words cannot be transcribed because they will be banned otherwise (looking at you Duncan)
Just
Train authors you guys
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gennyrthewriter · 8 months ago
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After TWO YEARS, the sequel to The Backwater is finally out!
Check out These Other Coasts on Amazon!
(Or, as always, hit me up for a PDF. It's MY book I'll distribute it how I WANT!)
If you like colonial-era inspired low-ish fantasy with political intrigue, moral ambiguity, and a whole cast of queer characters, give it a chance!
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multi-fandom-lunatic · 2 months ago
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Shannon update - Book 10 status
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wartime-flowers · 21 days ago
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Percy could have and should have gotten into any college he wanted
This started out as a hc and then I took it and ran.
Full disclaimer, I have not read the new pro trilogy about the college rec letter adventures. I do not think this is necessary as im not actually talking much about them.
Okay first of all I do know about the "this is your debt for existing" bs and if I was percy I would tell the gods to go screw themselves and never lift a finger for them again.
second of all I understand the appeal of NRU because of the safety it provides. that is the only counter argument I will accept.
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Percy could have and should have gotten into any college he wanted.
Like okay, maybe not an Ivy League, but come on. The dude is smart!
And we know he’s on the swim team, so he for sure could’ve gotten a scholarship. (Do American universities look at swimming as a scholarship sport? They can in this world)
Also I dont know much about the American college admission essays, but one girl wrote about her parents dying I think? Like hating the letter 'S' So like it’s really random and personalised?
Dude’s literally famous. He’s known to have been kidnapped at 12 and was the ‘hero’ of the situation by getting into the ‘gunfight’ with Ares. Also he’s an insane story teller. You cant tell me he wouldn’t write a hell of an admissions essay about that.
AND he’s a published author. All while he’s in high school. I feel like universities should be knocking down his door begging him to study there.
Hes actually got an insane application. And okay, he might not have the best marks. But that is because what we've seen in majority of the series is him not being taken seriously because of his disabilities, and not being given any accomodations. You just know after Paul got involved, things got better for him. And you know once he got some real support, teachers would right him such good rec letters for a hell of a lot less than the gods are asking for.
Also! Percy is a talker. he may be an introvert, but he's a people person all the same. He knows about to talk to people, and get the outcome he wants. And he's got personality, and he's pretty easy on the eyes, so ive heard. Not to objectify or anything. I think he would actually kill an interview if he had to do one. (this ive only seen on tv, I have no idea if its real or not)
Paired up with whatever advocacy work he does with Rachel and grover. (you know he does) Hes actually such a well rounded student.
To sum up:
percy would have a hell of a college application
he could probably talk his way into getting enrolled in an interview
he would get better and easier rec letters from mortal teachers
he should tell the gods and their extra conditions to F off and pursue a college with real life credentials that the rest of the mortal world knows exists.
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
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blogtey45 · 2 years ago
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physalian · 5 months ago
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Beta Reader Checklist! (Suggestions)
Beta reading is highly, highly subjective, so take this whole post with a massive grain of salt. IMO, in short, more feedback is always safer than less feedback, unless the author states otherwise.
Like, if they ask you to do a final read through for any lingering issues, you can speed-read your way through the manuscript for general vibes and enjoyability. If this is the first round of edits and beta reads, the more you can give them, even if you think you're over-reaching, the better.
Thank you to all my betas thus far, absolutely no shade meant with this post. Everybody's got different expectations. This is meant to help anyone who's unsure about the task before them.
So I'm going to use some snippets from my seasoned beta reader's feedback from my upcoming novella for the variety of commentary you can give.
Positive vibes/reader reaction
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Even if the manuscript is a hot mess, sending back a beta read with 0 good things to say is going to demoralize the author. Even if all you can say is "this is a cool concept that can benefit from a better execution," letting the author know that they've written something salvagable helps, especially if you can do it in the first few paragraphs.
Grammar and Syntax
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You are not a line editor and should not be expected to line edit someone's first draft (and this beta got the ~7th draft). However, if you do see something while reading, there's no reason that you can't leave a suggestion.
Fun commentary
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We authors like to know that the reader is connecting with the story. These comments tells me absolutely nothing helpful about bettering the manuscript, but they're human responses from a human reader and it's just nice to see. Beta readers are casual, you should be allowed to stay stuff like this.
Developmental edits
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Beta readers generally come before the big expensive editor (if you ever hire one at all) which means the goal is more big picture, developmental commentary over splitting hairs about punctuation. This comment got me to add about half a paragraph's worth of extra narrative to expand upon, because I liked the suggestion.
Continuity and reader comprehension
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This novella happens to be about a niche subject that not every layman reader will understand, so I have to find the line between overexplaining to those who know, and underexplaining to those who don't, without reading like a textbook. The top line I ended up leaving as I didn't think the risk of confusion was worth the added technical detail. The bottom line was a continuity error that I did have to fix.
Repetition and style
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I'm an author who will always look for ways to lower my word count. Sometimes cutting a random line is better for the narrative than doubling down and trying to justify it with extra details. In this case, I over-used a motif, and happily saved myself 7 words.
Potential for extra detail
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If you struggle with lengthening your word count, you can ask your betas to focus on where the narrative is thin and can benefit for more immersion and backstory. This beta leaves me comments everywhere suggesting places for extra sensory details, as I write very lean narratives with little fluff, and my consistency with sensory details varies widely.
All told, over 21k words of story, this beta left me exactly 100 comments, and a couple quick line edits within the text itself. It shows me, at the very least, that she was engaged with the story. The only time she doesn't leave me comments is when a scene is so intense that she forgets to make one.
The Reader Report
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The reader report is a separate document from the manuscript copy that compiles and condenses the beta's thoughts into a much shorter format so the author doesn't have to scroll up and down constantly for a big picture takeaway. It also expands upon any commentary the beta had, but didn't want to put in a single tag within the narrative and is typically written after most of the manuscript has been read for overall thoughts.
This beta in particular knows what I like, which is breaking down the report by chapter (or parts in this case). The only thing missing from her delivery is a final conclusion that will answer the three big questions:
Did she like it?
Would she buy it?
Would she recommend it?
But it was also done in a rush and in her email she said I made her cry so I count that as a yes for all 3.
I did not implement every suggestion from her, but I did acknowledge where other readers might feel the same and weighed the pros of trying to satisfy everything vs maintaining my clear vision.
The benefit of the beta process, if you work with multiple betas, is having more than one reader's opinion, and why I don't think anyone should pay ridiculous fees for a developmental editor. My betas all had different opinions on this manuscript, and I can treat their feedback like a scatterplot, deciding on revisions with an average throughline.
At the end of the day, you write for yourself, not to please any one beta reader. They're suggestions, not rules, and even if your beta tells you they hate it, you at least learn who your target audience isn't, and what naysayers wouldn't like.
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thewriteadviceforwriters · 9 months ago
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🕯️ Shadows & Symbolism: The Gothic Writer's Grimoire 🦇
Hello writers! I hope you're all doing well. Autumn is my favorite time of year, and I'm sure many of you love it too. With Halloween just around the corner, I thought it would be nice to start getting into the spirit a bit early. For those of you working on a gothic or fiction book, I wanted to share some themes and symbols to help bring that spooky, gothic, and dark vibe to your writing. 🦇
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🕸️Themes and Symbols for Gothic & Horror Stories🕯️
🌙 The Moon 🌚
Symbol of mystery, the unknown, and the supernatural
Represents the cycle of life, death, and rebirth
Can signify madness, hysteria, and the primal forces of nature
🕷️ Spiders & Webs 🕸️
Symbolize entrapment, deception, and the unseen
Represent the intricate, tangled nature of evil and darkness
Can foreshadow impending doom or the unraveling of secrets
💀 Skulls & Bones 💀
Signify mortality, the fragility of life, and the inevitability of death
Evoke a sense of the macabre, the morbid, and the occult
Can represent the lingering presence of the dead or the afterlife
🖤 Darkness & Shadows 🌑
Symbolize the unknown, the subconscious, and the mysterious
Represent the hidden, sinister forces that lurk in the corners
Can signify a descent into madness or the loss of control
🦇 Bats & Ravens 🦇
Portend ominous events, death, and misfortune
Symbolize the supernatural, the occult, and the Gothic
Can represent messengers from the underworld or harbingers of doom
🕯️ Candles & Flames 🕯️
Signify the fragility of life and the ever-present threat of extinguishment
Represent the struggle between light and dark, good and evil
Can symbolize the human soul, spirituality, and the afterlife
🧠 The Mind & Madness 🧠
Explore the depths of the psyche and the fragility of sanity
Represent the battle between reason and the irrational
Signify the descent into obsession, delusion, and the unknown
🏰 Crumbling Mansions & Castles 🏰
Symbolize the decay of the old order and the erosion of power
Represent the weight of the past and the burden of history
Can signify the collapse of the elite and the rise of the macabre
Use these evocative themes and symbols to craft your next Gothic or horror masterpiece and chill your readers to the bone! 💀 Let me know if want more post related to everything spooky!
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Happy Writing! - Rin T. 🍁🎃🍂
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communistkenobi · 6 months ago
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there is 1 mention of transmisogyny in this entire book (three mentions if you count the two times the word appears in the bibliography). I can’t think of a text that is less worth anyone’s time
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aroaceleovaldez · 11 days ago
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Hiii! I hope this ask doesn’t come off as rude or pushy but I just have some questions about your opinion on Rick Riordan since I’m new the space of author critiquing.
I guess I’ll add I’m pretty young and a bit sensitive when it comes to things I like, so I automatically assumed since you post so much PJO content you liked his writing. But based on some of your posts, was I wrong? Again, I don’t want to sound pushy, I’m just new to being critical and honest when it comes to authors I like and would like to know your opinion on Rick Riordan specifically. Is he a bad writer? I just got wrath of the triple goddess and I’m not sure if I want to read it based on some of your posts.
Entirely focusing on writing itself and not the content within: I like Rick's old writing. His style when writing first series is dramatically different from his newer material, which I feel has significantly dropped in quality. A lot of the newer stuff feels very unpolished and gratuitous (towards the audience for marketing purposes, not his own interests) and he has a serious bathos problem that stunts the majority of the humor and sincerity that once existed in the franchise - and often severely gets in the way of a lot of attempts at inclusion and representation, to its detriment. Not to mention how condescending it feels towards the reader/presumed audience. It's also very clear he's trying to riff off of his previous success, including directly lifting previous sections and minorly rewriting them to try and achieve the same effect (not in a call-back manner, but just copying his own work).
I won't say his old writing is like, my 100% favorite or the end-all-be-all of literature. I have plenty of authors whose writing is more something that I think is structurally admirable. But Rick's original series writing is good! It became a pop culture staple for a reason! But the quality has dipped so severely as the series progress that it's hard to ignore and it's becoming increasingly difficult to enjoy the books for me because of this. Particularly very recent books like TSATS to me are so excessively full of simple structural errors and similar that it's baffling to me how it even got published or how we got here.
I think out of his post-first series writing, his works I've enjoyed the most are MCGA and Demigods of Olympus - particularly leaning towards the latter. It's simple but very enjoyable to me. TKC to me is mostly fine and enjoyable, and HoO is Just Okay. TOA is tolerable. TSATS and the marketing trilogy though are kind of unbearable for me.
I do love the franchise as a whole and it means a lot to me, which is exactly why I feel so strongly about the drop-off in quality recently. It feels like an insult to something I love and know can be better and has been better in the past - not from a personal perspective, but from as much of an unbiased perspective I can give as someone who has studied writing. So if he's a "bad writer" in general is kind of up to discretion i suppose.
#pjo#riordanverse#rick riordan#rr crit#ask#straightasaaro#unfortunately it's difficult for me to articulate a lot of specifics#i literally have a condition that makes it difficult for me to articulate concepts/description :( which is very ironic for how much i yap#so forgive me for not being able to describe it better#its curious how he's shifted writing styles cause it definitely feels like he's shifting it because of presumed audience#but the presumed audience hasn't actually changed? his target demographic is exactly the same#there's just been a shift in how he views that target demographic#and a shift in his intent with how he's writing#which is interesting and i personally suspect that's due to him being further removed from being a teacher#and because his kids are adults now so he no longer has a direct connection to his audience#so his perception of his audience is getting skewed further from before#audience in question being middle grade readers#which is actually why i like to point people towards animorphs because i think part of it is also a cultural shift at least in publishing#towards a popular ''style'' in writing in general but also attitudes towards middle grade publishing in particular#versus that like 90s-2000s publishing style you see with Animorphs and PJATO#cause animorphs is technically is aimed for younger middle grade! so leaning a bit younger than PJO's target demographic!#and that makes sense! the animorphs books are really short and written in simple language! but they handle the writing so differently!#particularly pacing and themes. its all very interesting.
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bikananjarrus · 6 months ago
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wait. remember how hera called kanan 'love' in the pilot ep? yeah me too
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