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The effect these two idiots have had on my fucjing gender identity is RIDICULOUS, I’m taking that bounty for compensation gob bless
#my rambles#trigun#LIKE#these two cringefail ass losers showed up. beat the shit out of my cis (well. questioning cis) ass and ran away w it#lIKE. PLEASE#WHY WOUKD U DO THAT#my desired gender..#did. did I ever say I was going by he/her on here yet. did I forget to do that. is this a weird time to say that agsjshsj
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even dogs pass the mirror test
#hello again everyone. how's it going#isat loop#in stars and time#isat fanart#in stars and time fanart#isat#lucabyteart#isat spoilers#so. had this idea Before getting my hands on the artbook and being validated. literally have a voice note from 4:30am on the 8th where#i frantically noted down this just horrid horrid horrid caption because i'd been musing on the sasasap Dress line all day i suppose#just kind of rotating in my brain the way any kind of first time trying on new clothes for them would be .#just absolutely mental breakdown material and not one i think would be recovered from quickly. they hate being in their own skin#like. a lot? like a lot. the collateral of any kind of transfemme read was barely in my mind until it ended up relevant again while i was#actively working on this. because christ that's a bad combo. 2x different forms of body dysphoria in one. maybe even 3x somehow#plus any scenario where they get clothes is... likely gifted. something they react viciously negatively to in game and i doubt#would improve thereafter. just a veritable katamari of disgust and self-loathing#like i was mostly just thinking abt how a lot of our collective depictions of loop being alienated from their body are rather abstract#in a body horror way mostly. on account of loop being more of a metaphor than a person half the time. so i think i wanted to depict#something closer to just. a human level of body dysphoria. no focus on the whole duplicate thing just... raw disgust for the self#but with the addition of recent discussion and playing ball more with the she/her loop and transfem loop angle...#scenario of leaning into femininity to try throw off suspicion on who they are PLUS realising they might want that PLUS the party#trying to use this to bond with them PLUS body dysphoria PLUS new!gender dysphoria PLUS the usual revulsion for wanting and desire#like. that is a catastrophic combination . not coming out of that one without it getting worse for a few weeks thereafter#that's a real lash out at everyone around them and then recede in shame type breakdown. which im sure looks interesting from#the party's pov because jesus christ that touched a nerve something awful (<- they only have half the context AT BEST)#. so . there's your free scenario to ponder on if you'd want to. seeing as ive done a picture without a shitload of words on it for once#ALSO don't get smart with me in the tags about the mirror test being an absolutely ass test in most regards re: self-awareness#or that things like minnows pass it. i'm a fellow pedant dont worry. it's just that minnow doesn't really have the same ring as dog yknow?#this is supposed to be like an absolutely excruciatingly self loathing thought spoken aloud of a caption. it's pithy and cruel on purpose#and more than a little inspired by (reblogged yesterday) liminal space's 'there is no other dog. it's just you'
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kitty of some sort
#been doodlin...#oc#original art#cat#illustration#digital art#artists on tumblr#only rly drew these to satiate my desire for a long skirt. one day i will find u#edit: RAGHHHH the last one feels so plain i wanna add more to it... oh well.... just know its not to my Standards >:T#edit edit: WOWIE ty for all the love on this one!!!! and to everyone saying gender in the tags. u get it u get it <3 <3 <3
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really unpopular opinion but if ur trans u should probably lie to ur doctors. not all of them necessarily, but like you could and should especially in the er/urgent care, specifically if what youre having treated/checkups for has nothing to do with your transition. i had chest pain from binding for years that wasnt addressed because i was told it was just anxiety, until the first time i stealthed at the er. suddenly they wanted to run tests on me and said that my ribs were fucked up but they didnt know from what. ive had chest pain for years and i thought i was binding safely but i was also binding for 6 1/2 years before my operation and youre not really supposed to do that
also, even if youre getting gender affirming care, they do not need to know all the details. gay/lesbian/st4t? they dont need to know. transfem top/transmasc bottom looking for srs? dont tell them that. nonbinary/nondysphoric /otherwise gender nonconforming? dont fucking tell them that. a lot of trans people that arent t4c heterosexual and binary trans people, or just trans people who dont follow traditional gender norms during sex/in general are discriminated against all the time. you cannot lie to your doctors about everything, but theres a lot of things that you honestly should just keep to yourself when seeking care as a trans person. as far as your doctor is concerned, youre a binary trans person who isnt comfortable disclosing their personal sex life and its none of their business. letting them think ur a binary trans t4c heterosexual is the smart thing to do
#i mention st4t specifically because the people (doctors) who expect trans people to conform to gender roles also expect them to date#cis people of the opposite gender#in my personal experience#and obviously you dont have to follow any of this advice#also if you can its smart to say youve lived as ur desired sex to the best of ur ability for at least 2 years#even if its just online or not true at all. just dont mention it lol#i understand that a lot of people are deluded into thinking that doctors are the smartest most insightful people in the world#but also every trans person i know including myself has been withheld competent care for being trans#and a lot of the time our transness didnt even need to be disclosed#the average doctor that isnt involved in trans healthcare specifically is not trans informed#they probably heard that trans people exist for like an hour in their schooling and that was it#not every doctor needs to know youre trans to give you competent care#and unfortunately a lot of times if they do know#they will not give you competent care#stay safe out there#trans#t4t#st4t#transmasc#trans man#transhet#t4t mlw#transgender#transsexual#transfem#trans lesbian#trans woman#trans gay#gay t4t#lesbian t4t
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This scene never fails to crack me up!
VINCENT PRICE - HIS KIND OF WOMAN (1951)
#vincent price#his kind of woman#comedy#water#boat#sailing#sinking#sinking ships#funny#hes so gender#and so so sexy#i desire him carnally#that is all#bicon#bisexual#god#horror#old horror movies#vintage#movie#actor#handsome#gif#gifs made by me#gifs#my gifs#gif set
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Happy Birthday colorful prince~
#touhou#touhou project#toyosatomimi no miko#eyestrain#miko helped me come to terms with my gender much love for her#ten desires
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When browsing through the wares of a newly opened magic shop you passed by an item that caught your interest, a massive mirror
You peaked inside expecting to see yourself, but instead you saw, a girl? About your height, quite pretty, good taste in fashion… Maybe your mom when she was younger?
It feels weird, in a good way, to see this girl follow all your movements, you couldn’t help but smile, and her smile is radiant
You felt an odd sense of relief… until you looked down to see that, you’re you, of course you are
Why do you feel so sad?
…
“Quite the item isn’t it?”, the Witch tending the shop noticed your interest and started talking to you “a magic mirror that shows you what you’d look like if you were born the opposite sex”
You stare into it
Why do you feel this deep dread?
“But that’s not all it does!” The witch continues “want to see a magic trick?” The witch asks laying a hand on your back
You’re curious to see where this is going, so you nod your head
In one swoop the witch pushes you against the mirror and as you brace yourself to slam into it, stumbling on your feet across the floor, you find yourself slamming into the witch face first
She laughs “I probably didn’t need to push that hard”
As you lay on the ground you feel different, you look as you prepare to push yourself up from the ground you notice your hands… are they smaller?
As you get it up and oriented yourself you glance at the mirror, still the same showing girl you, but how did you get turned around did… did you get
“Sorry” the witch says as her laughter days down “that’s the first time I’ve pushed someone through a mirror, should’ve seen that coming”
You look down and see the dress you’re wearing
“Now cutie” the witch claps her hands, and jumps up! She has a grin you don’t trust “I hoped you enjoyed the trick! If you ever want to become a guy again And I hope you have some savings! Gender-bending magic is quite expensive!”
You stumble back, you can’t turn back? The mirror is showing yo- Girl You, not the real Guy You, so… that’s a no go? You’re way to poor for anything
“But don’t worry cutie, we pay quite well here and just so happen have an opening for a maid and I can assure you, you’ll look just adorable in the uniform”
#though the Witch did “forget” to mention that the only hard part about gender bending is involuntary changes#if you want to force a girl into the body of a boy#then that will be very difficult and expensive#but if the subject deeply desires to have the opposite sex#whether consciously or subconsciously#well then all you need is a simple visit to your closest magic mirror!#.#gentle#forcefem#i-like-talking#..#I want to start a series on the one hand#but on the other I should probably work on my school projects first#so hard to prioritise#that said I hope you cuties still enjoyed the writing I got out!!!#I hope you have a good day cutie!#or sweet dreams if you’re reading this as late as I’m writing it!
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Finally found my male face claim for any realities I'm a man in 🤭

thanks random man named Micheal that I do not know. Can't wait for the boner experience 😼
#what does thing mean about my gender identity?#dont know dont care#i just want to be a man#and a woman#so who cares#reality shifting#shifting#shifting community#shiftblr#shifting motivation#shifting stories#shifters#shifting blog#shifting consciousness#shifting realities#shifting ideas#shifting antis dni#shifting awareness#shifting dr#shifting is easy#shifting is real#shifting journey#shifting mindset#shifting progress#shifting script#shifting to my dr#shifting to desired reality#shifting update#shifting visualization
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it's interesting talking to young men on the internet because they are, by a large majority, motivated by a gleeful and unfocused ressentiment towards basically everyone and everything. there is really very little concern for truth but more notably there is a semi-concious rejection of usefulness of action and of making things better.
the appeal of policies, actions or rhetoric is that punishment and cruelty are inflicted, that people and entities are laid low. they are not motivated by a desire for better things to happen, but for worse things to happen to those they resent. And they like being angry and resentful, they like it more than they like any hobby or activity or product.
#eg they would rather specific game developers suffer and even be killed than for good game developers to succeed#a huge appeal of AI art to young men is that it creates the desired consumable output while causing suffering.#they specifically like that it makes the lives of artists worse because they hate them more for “bad” art/behaviour#than they like the creators of “good” art#even if these people had money and power. even if they felt they were on top#they would still prioritise making those they resent suffer over benefiting themselves directly#it's obviously not all but wow is it a large portion#and the thing is you can actually have normal conversations#if you can break them out of their constant and self reinforcing outrage loops#the gender politics gap among zoomers is real my friends
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sammy is trans because of the many ways you can read her arc within the show but most importantly she is trans because in early development they considered making her a boy before going nahhhh
#what is more trans than changing genders in production#she doesn't have a deadname bc she's always been sammy btw#she was the first person out as lgbt in her family and they didnt get it really but they supported her desire for hrt#so she got to only experience girl puberty#that is MY headcanon at least#jurassic world#sammy gutierrez#jwcc#jwct
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transmasc flag combined with butch flag just for me but im sharig bc why not. use it if you want!
transmasc flag and butch flag for context:


#its the blues from the transmasculine flag and the bottom half of the butch flag with a slightly warmed up bottom bar#i personally love using both butch and trans/transmasc to describe myself#and i like the trans flag but it rlly feels like. too pastel for my gender? i dont dislike it but i want something that includes the#butchy bearness so ppl KNOW im fat and hairy yk. this is the fat and hairy trans flag i desire#i know theres so many flag alts out there its just for fun!!! its for FUN#i like the colours on this one
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hi Silver! o/ because that fanart made me wonder - would you happen to know when/where Dick's stuffed elephant plush Zitka turns up in the comics?
GREETINGS CAM <3333 THAT ART WAS SO CUTE
Yeah, I think your instincts are right - it's a truly adorable bit of transformative fandom, but I'm 95% percent sure it's not comics canon. Barbara has canon plushies, but I don't think anyone else does.
I got kinda invested in the investigation (it's hard to prove a negative!) and I ended up typing out an entire History of Elinore/Zitka, so, uh, if you're curious, meet me below the cut for:
Where does Elinore / Zitka - the animal - appear in comics?
Did Dick ever have a stuffed elephant toy in comics?
Where does Elinore / Zitka appear in comics?
We're gonna go in chronological order!
Dick's circus elephant friend was first created for practical reasons: in Batman 436, Marv Wolfman does a big expanded flashback to Dick's circus backstory as a way to subtly show us Tim before officially introducing him (so that we can have a technically-solvable mystery-of-Tim's-identity in LPoD). In this comic, there's an elephant named Elinore who loves Dick:
Aww. Such a cute elephant!
Batman 436 comes out in August 1989. New Titans 60 comes out a few months later, in November, and guess what? When Dick visits the circus, he is suddenly surprised by an unexpected blast from the past! It turns out that even though it's been years, Elinore still remembers him!
Here's the part where Elinore remembers Dick:
SUCH a cute elephant. I love her.
(Guess who else still remembers Dick even though it was so long ago. Guess which other character is about to be an unexpected blast from the past. Guess which character Elinore is directly paralleling guess guess guess sorry everything is about Dick and Tim in my mind but I can focus I swear)
Four years later, in 1993, Batman: The Animated Series retells Dick's origin story. They like and keep Wolfman's elephant, but they change her name to Zitka:
Wolfman doesn't return to the elephant beyond those two appearances, and a few years down the line, New Titans gets cancelled and Wolfman's not writing Dick anymore anyway. So the animal gets abandoned for a while, until Devin Grayson, a fan of both Wolfman and B:tAS, revives the Wolfman-era Titans team in JLA/Titans and then the ongoing series Titans 1999.
Grayson then brings back the elephant in a flashback to Dick's past in Titans 16 (Jun 2000), where she imports the B:tAS name. Sometimes I'm skeptical of TV-to-comics imports, but honestly, I endorse this one. You lose the alliteration, which is a shame, but IMO Zitka is a better elephant name than Elinore.
Here's Dick with the newly-christened Zitka in Titans 16:
Grayson also briefly references the elephant in Gotham Knights 20 and - in a final angsty callback - in Nightwing 88 (Feb 2004), where Zitka tries futilely to comfort Dick in the midst of his trauma conga line:
... And... honestly, I think that's it for comic appearances? The two Wolfman comics plus the three Grayson comics.
Both Wolfman and Grayson are writing multiple titles - Batman, New Titans, Titans, Gotham Knights, and Nightwing between the two of them, spanning a big chunk of Dick's post-Crisis canon - and both writers use the elephant for heartwarming moments of nostalgia, which means if you're doing a post-Crisis readthrough for Dick, Elinore/Zitka feels memorable. But I don't think she actually shows up that much.
For post-2011, I am not as well-informed - throwing this out to the dash? anyone know? - but I feel like Zitka the heartwarming symbol of Dick's heartwarming circus past is, uh, thematically very at odds with the Court of Owls evil!circus vibes, so my instinct is that this story element was almost certainly dropped in the reboot.
Did Dick ever have a stuffed elephant toy in comics?
In WFA, yes; in main comics continuity, no. Technically, I have not read every comic ever published, so I could be wrong!! But I don't think so.
Below, find my rambling reasoning on the tonal vibes of pre-Crisis, post-Crisis, and post-2011, and why this particular story element doesn't seem right to me for the first two.
Pre-Crisis (...okay, mostly the Silver Age): stuffed animal, yes or no?
tl;dr no, requires too much background knowledge on the part of the reader, plus the elephant wasn't a thing until later
Elinore doesn't get created until post-Crisis, but also just generally, pre-Crisis callbacks are more along the lines of this reference in Batman 129 (published in 1960), where, wow, Batman and Robin are hunting jewel thieves - and it turns out Robin recognized this strongman! BUT HOW?!
The comic goes on to recap Dick's entire origin story in flashback, on the assumption that you may not know it.
(BTW, if you'd like to know more about Haly's Circus throughout the years, nightwingology has a great post here summarizing a lot of fun plotlines and characters!)
Basically: Silver Age comics are very self-consciously episodic and kid-friendly; they're not generally gonna do overly-elaborate callbacks because they don't know what comics their kid readers may have randomly picked up or remember.
By the time of post-Crisis, comic books were being written for an adult audience buying from the direct market, i.e. readers who are collecting whole runs & don't need or want Dick's origin story to be recapped to us in full every time it's referenced. That's why in post-Crisis, we get stuff like "hey, neat, this particular soda brand is getting mentioned in several different books!!" or "in order to understand this story arc, buy SIXTEEN DIFFERENT COMICS in FIVE DIFFERENT RUNS and read them ALL ACCORDING TO A NUMBERED ORDER and also you better be following the individual plotlines and recognize these five minor characters who we don't bother to introduce!! Good luck!!" But the elaborate post-Crisis plotlines - and subtler worldbuilding like a stuffed animal callback to Dick's backstory - don't make a lot of story sense UNLESS you're imagining your readers as completionist adult fans.
So IMO a stuffed animal wouldn't be a pre-Crisis thing unless it was The Episodic Story Of the Week, and I don't think a stuffed animal is action-adventure-y enough for the fast-paced storytelling of the Silver Age. (Unless it, like, came to life and tried to eat you or something.)
Post-Crisis: stuffed animals, yes or no?
tl;dr: no, Dick's a manly tough guy, he's not gonna have a stuffed animal, that'd be lame, like something Tim might do
Part of the edgy grimdark adult vibes in 80s/90s comics is that some characters who used to be kinda silly & goofy & lighthearted - like Batman and Robin - get reimagined as Serious and Angsty and Edgy in a Tough Cool Manly Brooding Way. This massively affects characterization for Bruce, Dick, and Bruce and Dick's relationship.
(I obviously love this change & love the tense Bruce-and-Dick interactions, but plenty of fans of the earlier fluffy comics really disliked the edgy retcons of Miller / Wolfman / Starlin / et al.)
The upshot is that post-Crisis is a period when you could have a recurring reference like a stuffed elephant, but you wouldn't have a stuffed elephant, not for Dick. I think a toy like that would be too cutesy / childish / effeminate to give a male character in post-Crisis, unless you were poking fun at him.
Now, you could probably let Tim have a stuffed animal, because Tim is sometimes cool but also sometimes a tryhard loser who is faking being cool and not entirely pulling it off (see e.g. the Robin comic where he practices tough-guy faces in the mirror, or the Teen Titans comic where Conner discovers his cringy Enya CD, or when he's fanboying over Connor and it's awkward, etc etc.). A stuffed animal would be deeply embarrassing, and you'd have to be careful to compensate by having Tim do something cool afterward - but Tim's character concept allows for "he's kind of a loser sometimes."
But Dick isn't!! In post-Crisis, Dick's a tough / impressive / "cool guy" character, the kind of guy anyone would want to be, even in the flashbacks where he's Robin, and even in the stories where he's more lighthearted than angsty. It'd be kinda lame for Dick to have a stuffed elephant, so he wouldn't. I feel like Dick would be more likely to poke fun at it if someone had one, like when he's making fun of Wally for liking the Hardy Boys. Dick could have a Batman action figure, at most, and if he had one he would have it ironically.
Basically: in post-Crisis, a male character hugging a stuffed elephant feels more likely to be a punchline to me, not something poignant. (Even with Tim, Tim could have an embarrassing stuffed animal, but he couldn't hug it when sad - that's too far. Maybe Booster Gold might do this. Probably he wouldn't, but spiritually, he would. Sorry Booster ilu! <3)
Instead, Dick instinctively deals with his inner turmoil like the TORTURED ACTION HERO he is: by punching things and brooding and yelling and joining the mob and sleeping on rooftops and going on obsessive secret missions and acquiring Angsty Stubble!! Just like Batman!
(Technically I don't know if Bruce ever joined the mob but you know he would.)
Anyway as you know this is my favorite continuity and I am poking fun affectionately, but uh, yeah sdfsfdsfs. No stuffed animals.
Post-2011 / Infinite Frontier / Wayne Family Adventures: stuffed animals, yes or no?
tl;dr it's in WFA! Probably not anywhere else, but it could be.
Post-2011 stuff tends to be cutesier overall, most of all in the current Infinite Frontier era. So I don't feel like this would be tonally out-of-line with IF comics. Taylor tends to go for more meme-y references rather than fanfic references, though.
So the obvious best fit is WFA, which is aiming for a rough approximation of Silver Age family-friendly vibes - wholesome, episodic plots, Teaching Good Moral Lessons For The Youth, etc. - plus lots of Easter eggs for fanfic readers and some comic references.
And look, here we are:
Aww.
Whew - that's everything I could find!
Anyway as you can probably tell, I LOVE the elephant, so this was a very entertaining rabbit hole to go down, thank you <3
#dick grayson#anyone with more info feel free to chime in & we can crowdsource <3#i do think the toy elephant is awfully cute though <3#total digression but i was thinking about it as i was writing:#i'm fascinated by the ways that the post-crisis batboys & their stories can intersect with 90s masculinity and all its issues with stoicism#and i'm pro-queering and gender-bending - 90s comics were a total boys' club so i think it's neat that transformative fandom isn't#but i do love 90s masculinity and All Its Issues too & one of the things i find compelling about the dick-tim-bruce trio#& especially dick's place in it - is the unspoken hierarchy whereby bruce is manlier than dick & dick is manlier than tim#and so dick's in the middle as this somewhat softer-character who aspires to be a harsher & more stoic & ultimate manly-man character#caught in the middle between robin & batman & what each role represents#and like. batman is both manhood & the only desirable thing to be AND ALSO it represents this immense narrowing of possibility#because so much of stereotypical masculinity is about reducing the range of emotions you're allowed to have or express#and dick is both incredibly conflicted about bruce AND wants to be just like him & by extension is conflicted about masculinity writ large#so a lot of dick's interactions with tim veer between trying on a frat-boy-ish 'I'm The Manly Guy' persona vs. giving up on it#or trying on imitations of Bruce's Batman persona but also trying to backtrack out of it bc he doesn't like how it feels etc etc#ANYWAY i think what i am trying to say is that if tim had a stuffed animal dick would be entertained & poke mild fun at him#and call him 'teddy' for the next hour or something while tim got increasingly defensive about how the teddy bear was steph's#and/or about how the teddy bear was OLD and tim doesn't even care about it and also WHATEVEr i'm above this#and to an uninformed observer this might look like bullying BUT ACTUALLY#this ritual would IN FACT be very reassuring to both of them + tim would feel WAY better afterward than if dick had ignored it#because by poking fun at him dick shows he still respects tim enough to tease him thus subtextually exorcising the threat of wimpiness#plus allowing tim to defend himself & demonstrate that he can take a joke so they've both reaffirmed their masculinity to each other#& they don't have to be scared of the teddy bear and all it represents anymore#however also afterward dick would have a brief nostalgic flashback to when he was a kid & had a teddy bear & feel weird about the memory#because he would be unable to articulate to himself that what he misses is a past when he allowed himself to be vulnerable#anyway this wouldn't actually happen in comics but it's what would happen in my soul. you know.#ask tag#zitka
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Shifting so I can wear dresses and not feel perception dysphoria <3
#I don’t feel a lot of gender dysphoria from just my body#mostly because half the time I don’t register my body as my own anyways#I get dysphoria from being perceived as a girl#like I enjoy wearing dresses and looking pretty sometimes but hate being perceived as a girl while wearing them#if that makes sense#reality shifting#shiftblr#shifting community#shifting antis dni#trans shifters#shifters#shifting realities#desired reality#shifting consciousness#shiftingrealities#shiftinconsciousness#shifting thoughts#shifting reality#shifting#shifting blog#reality shifting community#shifting motivation#shifting diary#reality shift#shifter#shift#shifting to desired reality#reality shifter#realityshifting#transgender
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Nemuri feeling so comfortable around Hizashi and Shouta she’s not afraid to pass out drunk on their couch or burp loudly or take her bra off from under her shirt once she’s in one of their homes to hang out. Complaining about her period in detail. None of the bullshit appearances women feel like they need to keep in front of men lest their womanhood, their humanity, be too gross for men to handle.
But more than that she feels completely safe with them. No fear of judgement or harassment, complete trust to be open and vulnerable in front of them without a single itty bitty drop of fear that they might take advantage or be predatory.
And they accept all of this and never once let her down.
#mostly just platonic appreciation#but can be EraserMicNight if you want#present mic#aizawa shouta#kayama nemuri#mha#headcanon#my thoughts#look if you can’t burp and fart in front of a friend are they really a friend#also it’s bullshit that society expects women to maintain an air of mystery around themselves in front#*in front of men#idk I just desire this closeness in all of my platonic relationships regardless of gender#also these three have been giving me emotions lately and no one includes nem in their shit#as always I miss my wife tails#but also I don’t think Nemuri really cares how others perceive her#but any final layers are shed with Shouta and Hizashi#these tags are a mess I’m so sorry#I’m not sorry lmaoooo#nemuri kayama
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so you’ve mentioned before the trouble with frazel raising a child. BUT, what stuck in mind was you said they’d have conflicts with having a son and not a daughter.
what do you think would happen if frazel had a son?
what do you think would happen if frazel had a daughter?
so this is informed by my own analyses of frank's canon material and upbringing, but at the end of the day this is my own interpretation, so you don't have to take this as like a fact or anything!
but the crux of my thoughts on this subject boils down to this: frank didn't grow up with any male role models that we know of, positive or negative. his household has always been highly matriarchal, especially after emily went to war and he was left in the care of grandma zhang, who is stern and unforgiving and absolutely impossible for frank to relate to at all. in an ideal world "male" and "female" role models wouldn't be a significant distinction at all and positive role models of any gender would be equally accessible for all children - but realistically kids often prefer people that resemble them in some way (gender, race, ethnicity, etc) as such, and frank appears to have had no men to help him develop and navigate his masculine identity. we can also note that in western pop culture asian men are most dominantly represented in two forms: martial arts action movie heroes or... brainiac nerds. frank is neither. like I'm not gonna get into this much (because it's a big topic) but like we know how asian men are stereotyped as and deemed less than for being """less masculine""" in the west so I think that might be a thing to keep in mind when considering frank's feelings, i.e. why he might care more than others about his own masculine self-image
anyways, there's this one line from grandma zhang in son of neptune that I've always found very poignant, and honestly kind of chilling:
Men do not cry. Especially Zhang men. You will endure, Fai.
it isn't made 100% clear when exactly she said this in the books but I believe the implication was that she said this to frank during emily's funeral - which is fucking crazy lol. his mom just died and his grandma is pulling a "boys don't cry" on him. I can see that she just wanted him to be strong but the complete lack of tenderness during the worst time of his life and emphasis put on his expression of sadness as a detriment to his masculinity would make any young man feel like shit. we aren't given any insight as to how frank felt about this line specifically in this chapter but we do know that frank almost never pushes back against the things his grandmother says, because emily zhang is quoted as once saying to frank:
There is no arguing with Grandmother. It'll only make you suffer worse.
now the line "especially zhang men" was probably quite meaningless to frank in the moment because he did not care even a little bit about his family name or his chinese ancestry - and he certainly doesn't see himself upholding his grandmother's notions of what a zhang man is supposed to be, but a man in general? what's a young boy to think when he has no men, no male role models in his life and his grandmother is telling him that men don't cry? he has no grounds to push back against that. and I think this teaching is exacerbated heavily by frank going to camp jupiter, which appears to uphold the same general principle that showing weakness is unacceptable - not for men specifically (as far as we know), but validating that idea at all is just. not what I think frank needed to be hearing
funnily the first positive male role model that we know frank to have had is percy, who is slightly older than him - and frank immediately attaches himself to percy and likes and admires and respects him so so much. and although percy is put through the freaking wringer in son of neptune, frank doesn't ever actually see percy shed tears (percy does cry/almost sheds tears/gets emotional to the point of his voice breaking about twice in son, but both instances occur in front of hazel, not frank). the only time he really sees percy showing emotional weakness is the scene where he gets so freaked out by evil centaurs that he gets triggered and can't move - and that wasn't even a voluntary moment of vulnerability, he was legit triggered and got physically sick over it. I'm not gonna go so far as to claim that percy becomes frank's image of what an ideal man should be, but ehhhhh from the way frank talks about percy throughout hoo and especially son I don't think that would be the biggest reach either
and there are several bits and pieces throughout the books where frank expresses a desire to assume a role of conventionally masculine importance. I'm not gonna go to the trouble of singling out like all of them but here are three instances that I consider most noteworthy:
frank in son:
Whenever [Hazel] wanted something, he had the irrational urge to provide it. He wanted to be the old-fashioned knight riding to her rescue, which was stupid, as she was way more capable at everything than he was.
frank in son:
If he admitted how weak he was, that his whole life depended on a half-burned stick... Hazel would never see him as a hero. He'd never be her knight in armor.
frank in hoh:
Frank was so pleased to be holding [Hazel's] hand, [...] He felt needed--useful. Not that Hazel required his protection. [...] Still, Frank liked being next to her, imagining he was her bodyguard.
all these of these instances are specifically related to hazel, which I find significant - because they say something about how frank thinks he needs to be for a female romantic partner. like the first quote literally has him wanting to be a provider for her and the second has him fearful that if he appears weak (think about the "men don't cry" line) then he won't be good enough for her, so I don't think it's wrong to assume that frank still has some not great ideas in his head about the specific ways in which he needs to be a man. do you guys know those jokes about "the masculine urge to bleed out in the snow" or however it goes. frank retweets the shit out of that post every time he sees it and piper is in his dms like "are you okay???" /lh
furthermore we see frank really taking pride in himself as a son of mars towards the end of son when he's mouthing off against alcyoneus - and I think his godly parentage plays a role in this. mars is a highly "virile" god and considered the second most important deity in cj's roman pantheon. he's a highly significant figure in the roman mythos because he is considered the pater (father) of the romans, the father of romulus and remus from whom all romans are descended - aka the father of rome itself. so there's something inherently paternalistic about frank, the son of mars, assuming the role of co-praetor at camp jupiter. it's the ultimate fulfillment of his repeatedly expressed desire to be able to perform his masculinity in the specific way that he really wants to
and alllll of that is basically just to evidence that I don't think frank would be the sort of father who's going to parent his kids the exact same way regardless of gender. I think I see frank being tougher on his son (if he has a son) in the future than his daughter as a result. not to such an extreme that he would say terrible harsh things like "zhang men don't cry" to his own boy (I don't think he ever wants to make his kids feel the way his grandma made him feel) but just in little ways that build up over time
whereas if frank had a daughter, I think he's more likely to spoil and be lenient and extremely protective her. not necessarily to the point of sheltering her excessively or refusing to let her fight (i.e. I think he'd be happy if his daughter joined the legion or ever became a praetor herself) but just in the way of not having the same kind of, say, rigid masculine expectations that he might have of his own son
and like. I'm worried that my saying this might incur frank hate or whatever but I want to say clearly that I think he'd still be a good dad? good enough anyway. obviously it would be great if frank could unlearn some of this and care less about gender norms but the books kind of just... put all of this stuff on the table and don't resolve/address it meaningfully so I'm just working with what we've got. hilariously despite being from the 1930s I think hazel would be more evenhanded towards their kids regardless of gender so I can totally see this being a thing that they clash over in the future. not in a relationship-ruining way but just as an add-on to the issues they'd have as parents that I mentioned in my other ridiculously long post on frazel child-rearing lol
(and if their kid is neither a girl nor a boy then I think frank would be a little confused lol but still highly supportive and willing to learn)
#I'm not too big on making ocs myself but one day I'll draw the way I imagine a frazel son because I have a clear image of him in my head#again this is 100% me working with what we've got but I don't love how frank or frazel is written in hoh nor do I love the stuff that#they're given to do. like the hoh hazel rescue scene so thoroughly enables frank's gendered desire to be a knight and a bodyguard#but son kinda ended with hazel as the knight in armor riding into battle on horseback and frank admiring her for it so. meh. hoh takes#away from the significance of that I think. anyways it doesn't matter#need a tag for my character analysis stuff#frank zhang#heroes of olympus#hazel levesque#frazel#percy jackson#the son of neptune#baye.txt#asks#pjo character analysis
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Hey so it happened again. I gave in. My new boyfriend is now my wallpaper
#logan howlett#james logan howlett#wolverine#xmen#marvel#wallpaper#phone wallpaper#my beloved#i thought that it was going to be bucky#but motivation hit me while thinkin' of logan#so here we are#i love himb so much#i desire him carnally#need him as my boyfriend#yet also he is so gender#and i wanna be him
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