#npd devaluing

[the-label-sanctuary]

・₊✧𝘈 𝘱𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘭𝘴𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘮 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘢𝘥𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘳𝘺｡｡｡ -`♡´-

♡Devalued Person♡

✧A Devalued Person (Devp), otherwise known as a “lowlife”, is a term for those with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) to describe those that are on this level. This is the rung on the ladder of a person with NPD (pwNPD)’s 'ranking system' (explained below) that is below average. While devaluing people will bump them down the rankings, it’s possible to go even further past the average into this category. The pwNPD considers this person to be severely beneath them and everyone else for one reason or another,✧

✧Within NPD there is a mental “Ranking System” in comparison to the pwNPD. This can also occur naturally, if not chosen by the pwNPD themself. This ranking system is by no means the only kind, but it sets a good example.✧

✧Chosen Person (Chp): Someone of higher status than the pwNPD✧

✧Equal Person (Ep): Someone of equal Status to the pwNPD.✧

✧Respected person (RP) : Someone the pwNPD respects✧

✧Worthy Person (Wp): Someone worthy to be a Chp or an Ep but not there yet.✧

✧Adequate Person (Adp): Above average.✧

✧Average Person (Avep): The average human being.✧

✧Lowlife/Devalued Person (Devp): Described Above✧

✧Unranked Person (Unrp): Someone who isn't part of their hierarchy system.✧

For a full list of Special Person terms, I made this doc for a comprehensible list. If you'd like to use my PD flags as emojis, I made this discord server with them as heart emojis! (Originally made to react to my SPs messages)

DISCLAIMER: All of these terms already have existed in the community before I posted them. If you have genuine questions or concerns, feel free to reach out and I will try to work with you! These terms are meant to be inclusive of ALL experiences I have heard of or experienced myself, so I have no issue adding things if necessary. These posts are meant to be short and sweet descriptions, not full deep delves on what each means! Feel free to make your own deep dives posts about your own experiences with these and @ me, I’ll definitely repost as long as they’re done in a respectful manner. 

[meowgar33-2]

bill dickey narc crash representation and his broken percieved self 🔥(coughcough this is based on my npd headcanons of him)

[equalperson]

people mostly talk about splitting as literally all-or-nothing--"I love you" or "I hate you"--but I personally experience an in-between point sometimes.

I don't know what I'd call it other than "thin-ice devaluation" or something along those lines.

like, yes I devalued you recently and I realize now that I was being irrational, BUT if you say something even slightly suspicious, hurtful, or incorrect, I'm going to assume that you're evil and/or useless again much faster than I would have before.

[dodgeryy]

What idiot is spreading the false info that narcissist Will leave you if you are "too strong for them" and this grey rocking bs like. Pop psychology I will never understand you

I value approval from people who are hard to get praise from / set strong boundaries it makes your approval actuslly worth something way more.

[red-lights-and-realities]

hate !! NPD splitting !!! fym im randomly convinced my husband and eveyerone else hates me literally just because im not being complimented or given attention !! why dont i care abt him anymore. i hope it ends soon.

[ersatz-introspective]

bcs i'm aware of how i automatically percieve people, i earnestly try to give the benefit of the doubt a lot. i tend to believe people are Actually Just That Dumb™ when they're joking about something, so i try to get ahead of that & tell myself people are joking when they say something stupid, so that i don't look stupid

all i've learnt in doing that, is most of the time, people aren't joking. they actually did mean what they say, & i made the situation 10× worse by laughing at what they said.

not only does it reinforce the idea in my head that people are Dumb so i need to take the reins on literally Everything, but it also leads people to believe i'm making fun of them for saying something silly & talking to me less, when, if i knew it were a genuine thing they thought, i would have gladly explained it without judgement

but i don't really know how to stop treating them as jokes, because what if they ARE joking so they laugh at me for how Stupid i am for taking the bait? i can't handle being made a fool of, i think i'd rather die

[schizowitchic]

npd version of "gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss" be like

Disgust

Devalue

Discard

[god-of-knk]

Like. I'm only allowed to enjoy talking to two individuals at once. If I add another one to that mix, then one of the others becomes boring. I would like that not to happen but I don't have any say in it and neither do they. It just fucking happens.

[vain-creature]

When you get attention but not in a way you want

(I made a post on another sideblog but I kinda hate it now. But lots of ppl keep liking it and following that sideblog. And I just hate that I can't get that level of attention for my good posts)

[rqplurf0rever]

Admittedly I’m a little jealous of everyone else you give attention to, I mean like wdym I’m not your favourite kiddo?

-🦷🥩

you're not the problem actually, its just personal stuff and i did not feel like posting an ask tagging my boyfriend. sorry if it came off that it was personal towards you sweetheart i didnt mean to hurt your feelings at all /gen. you're wonderful don't worry about it, i still adore you very very much 🦷🥩 anon <333

[the-label-sanctuary]

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♡Lowlifetive/Devaluedpersontive/DEVPtive♡

✧Lowlifetive, Devaluedpersontive, or DEVPtive is an introject of a pwNPD’s Lowlife/Devalued Person. The Devaluedpersontive may be part of a NPD System, or a NPDbased system. They may be considered factives.✧

✧These terms were coined to be exclusive to systems/individuals with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.✧

✧Made in collaboration with @the-crystalized-cosmos✧

Tagging: @the-iris-network-mogai @radiomogai

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For a full list of Special Person terms, I made this doc for a comprehensible list. If you'd like to use my PD flags as emojis, I made this discord server with them as heart emojis! (Originally made to react to my SPs messages)

DISCLAIMER: All of these terms already have existed in the community before I posted them. If you have genuine questions or concerns, feel free to reach out and I will try to work with you! These terms are meant to be inclusive of ALL experiences I have heard of or experienced myself, so I have no issue adding things if necessary. These posts are meant to be short and sweet descriptions, not full deep delves on what each means! Feel free to make your own deep dives posts about your own experiences with these and @ me, I’ll definitely repost as long as they’re done in a respectful manner. 

[patricia-taxxon]

personally im willing to believe you have npd because you can never conceptualize a situation in which you might be in the wrong, constantly deflect criticism by playing victim, gaslight your fans and followers into believing you can do no wrong, never own up to to your mistake and instead spin them into a false reality where you never actually said the thing everyone saw and has proof of you saying, shift the blame onto alters whenever it's convenient with no proof that you had actually switched, speak on subjects you know nothing about with undue authority, brush off people who try to interrogate your belief system as being poisoned against you also without proof, sic your follower base on people who criticize you, constantly cry about how no one could possibly understand your thought process while also believing unquestioningly in your own ability to interpret anything, and genuinely seem to hate other people to the degree that you're more than willing to put minors into dangerous situations in order to justify your actions and worldview. y'know. like someone who can only feel even a modicum of self respect through the systematic devaluing of all other people in your life so that you can stand on a pedestal of sand under which every last one of your bad actions has been buried to make yourself look better to outside observers

You know what, throwaway sideblog, you're right in a way. It's too late now, if I'm going to be scrutinized and misbelieved and attacked and betrayed then I simply can't be wrong anymore. If I cannot trust others to give me basic grace and respect, then I will cultivate a space that gives it to me in excess. I'm 25 years old and so underdeveloped that morality is still whatever keeps me from being punished. I'm not here. Thanks.

[frothingbeerbottles]

As a borderline, I love narcissists so much and cannot understand why some people are like “bpd is the result of narcissists/narcissistic abuse” when the term narcissistic abuse was coined by an israel defence solider, who yes, did have npd, but he also blamed his narcissistic tendencies for three counts of securities fraud. He also believes that narcissists “cannot be healed, because they do not exist as real persons, only as reflections” and exist as a false self instead of that just being them or having these be adaptions for survival in stressful situations, all of his takes on narcissists are self-cop outs to demonise other narcissists and make him unaccountable for his actions. And you guys fell for it hard because you didn’t even know that it was made by a narcissist or even the integral history behind it like you guys seem to do with EVERYOTHER thing.

I LOVE it when narcissists are high and low, i LOVE it when they devalue people because they’re being unreasonable or ableist assholes, or even just because they’re being grating and purposefully ignorant and no one wants to say anything. You guys who hate on narcs for being disordered, ESPECIALLY if you have bpd, are just assholes, point blanc. All you want to make a group of people who are already hated on and targeted specifically because they are not your idea of perfect victims which makes you look more victimised in comparison.

TL;DR: you guys fell hard for the term “narcissistic abuse”, clung to it like a baby sloth and didn’t even know the history behind it or that it was made by a narcissist, and you guys definitely don’t know or care what being a narcissist entails or how it forms in people so maybe think twice before you flap your lips and speak up on shit you’re clearly uneducated on. Don’t throw your narcissistic siblings under the bus to get validation from neurotypicals who wouldn’t spit on either of you if you were on fire.

[epsiphi]

so i saw THIS image online courtesy of twitter user @/offpridbird and it inspired me to look into the criteria for each of these disorders, and how they might fit him, so…

welcome to

My Analysis On Whether or Not Goro Akechi Has a Cluster B Personality Disorder (According to the DSM-V)

(this is a long post that took up TWELVE pages in my notebook so the nitty gritty is under the cut. tl;dr, there’s evidence in favor of all these)

now you might ask: what are your qualifications? to that i say: i’m a psychology student* who also happens to be a big fan of goro akechi. which is to say that i am not an expert; i just really like this fictional guy. my analysis is also based on my personal understanding of his character. so, you know, don’t flay me alive if i get a part of his character wrong. or do.

*high school

in case you don’t know what a cluster b personality disorder is: it’s a subset of personality disorders characterized by “dramatic, emotional, or erratic” behavior. it includes:

antisocial personality disorder (ASPD)

borderline personality disorder (BPD)

narcissistic personality disorder (NPD)

histrionic personality disorder (HPD).

this post covers ASPD, BPD, and NPD, because those are the disorders i’ve seen most ascribed to akechi. i might cover HPD some other time.

(also yes i seriously perused a copy of the dsm-v for this)

Borderline Personality Disorder

1. Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment: we’re looking at mr. “I was extremely particular about my life…my grades…my public image…so someone would want me around!” over here. it’s made pretty clear that akechi’s perfect persona wasn’t something he just started doing when he became famous; it started after his mother died, once he was being “passed around from foster home to foster home��. he tried to be perfect so they would want him. it’s clear that none of them did.

2. A pattern of unstable and intense relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation: the only real relationships akechi has are with joker (no canon name discourse here) and shido. it goes without saying that neither of these relationships are very normal; on akechi’s part, both are characterized by his obsessions and love-hate feelings. akechi does also kind of have an idealizing issue with joker (putting him on a pedestal—which is admittedly something most characters do, but i feel like akechi is not any more normal about joker than anyone else)

3. Identity disturbance (markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self): i feel like this guy cycles between “i was cut from the cloth of god” and “i am the scum of the earth”. in thirdsem, he does not seem to have much of a self beneath his detective prince persona (by which i mean he’s very…blank? just look at his default portrait. very blunt and to the point)

4. Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g. spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating): none of these apply in canon. he does seem to have issues with food (forgetting to eat, apparently eating little, not caring about the taste of what he eats vs. the appearance of it, he runs a food blog but it appears to be mostly for show). choosing to become a hitman for a comically evil politician who is also your father at age 15 would qualify for self-damaging, but might also fall under…

5. Recurrent suicidal behavior/gestures/threats, or self-mutilating behaviors: his revenge plan is so bad it’s borderline suicidal—not in the sense that he actively planned to kill himself afterwards or anything, but in the sense of he spent so long fantasizing about getting revenge that he literally never stopped to think about the day after. not envisioning a meaningful future is also suicidal.

6. Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood: this confused the hell out of me at first. it essentially means rapid, intense mood shifts. i’m…not sure, actually. (i guess you could count the insane difference between his self in battle vs himself out of battle in thirdsem as this, but i’m not the guy who can answer that).

7. Chronic feelings of emptiness: remember that thieves den conversation where yusuke mentions how difficult keeping up an act for a long stretch of time is (in reference to the pts pretending not to know the truth about akechi in sae’s palace) and akechi responds with “Is that so? Well, you stop feeling things once you get used to it”? because i do. (note the use of a word as general as things) (also veering into hc: i’ve seen people say akechi’s sin, had his palace not been cut, likely would’ve been acedia, which is…indifference. emptiness.)

8. Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger: have you seen the engine room. i think it’s always there, it’s just that he’s good at controlling it 98% of the time.

9. Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms: kind of on the fence about this one—leaning towards yes. i think this sort of applies to the interrogation room? he moves through a lot of it vaguely shocked + a few subsequent tv interviews. in the one soonest after 11/20–the “same strategy used in romance” interview—he has an oddly flat affect, which is funny given the context of how he’s being lauded as hero. like…he can’t even pretend to be happier. in the interview that occurs during the infiltration of shido’s palace (“none of these people know i was an undesirable child”) he mentions how the news of joker’s suicide was dizzying—obviously he’s lying about WHY it was dizzying, but he still appears to mean it.

Total criteria fulfilled: 7/9. (Criterion 1, 2, 3, either 4 or 5 could be considered fulfilled but not both at once, 7, 8, 9)

for clarification: any suicidal behavior under criterion 5 cannot be counted in criterion 4. so if you consider “becoming a hitman for his scraped-off-the-boot-of-the-devil father at 15” as self-damaging but not suicidal, then criterion 4 is fulfilled. if you consider it suicidal behavior, then criterion 5 is fulfilled.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance: not sure how to describe this one other than “you know it bitch”

2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love: in my notebook i literally just wrote “yeah” for this. because i don’t have any articulated reason for this belief, i won’t count it as fulfilled criteria. but know i believe it

3. Believes that they are “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or associate with, other special or high status people: by his own admission (confidant rank 2), akechi does not have friends—or as he says, “people i’d actively choose to see in my free time”. it’s not for lack of people who’d want to be his friend; this is in june, people are raving about him. so he probably has a million connections and people who’d love to hang out with him, but he doesn’t want to hang out with a bunch of nobodies. his trait in the artbook is that he gets distracted in conversation, which is a very light way of saying that he doesn’t pay attention to people because they’re boring and not worth the time. joker falls under “other special people”. also, on “believes they’re special”: there’s something to be said about how akechi awakens to his persona 2 years before canon, and how he was totally on his own. like, as far as he knew, he was the only person with these powers—the only person without a shadow, and as such, the only person without distorted desires. so naturally he would consider himself special. (ignoring that he literally kind of is)

4. Requires excessive admiration: guy who has spent whole life internalizing that he is inherently unlovable and worthless becomes a celebrity and puts up a perfect front because he needs people to love him; more at 9. (dsm-v also states: “Their self-esteem is invariably very fragile. They may be preoccupied with how well they are doing and how favorably they are regarded by others”. obviously. hello, 8/28)

5. Has a sense of entitlement (i.e. unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment): great time to bring up Relative Deprivation Theory—the belief that someone will feel deprived of or entitled to something in comparison to another. in akechi’s case: deprivation of acceptance/love in comparison to joker and entitlement to the same (“How does someone like you have things I don’t?!”). it’s interesting that he uses his fame as a reason why he deserves what joker has, when it’s why he doesn’t (fame is not love).

6. Is interpersonally exploitative (i.e. takes advantage of others to achieve their own ends): the core of his charm is manipulation and inherent dishonesty, so i kind of feel this is a given.

7. Lacks empathy (is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others): there’s Word of God that akechi is just like, “whatever” to anyone who isn’t joker, as in he doesn’t particularly care about anyone else on a deeper level (not a ship thing; just an observation). also does not seem to care about most of the people he kills or who get hurt as a result of his actions (i.e. psychotic breakdowns).

8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of them: i mean…do i really have to say anything about this.

9. Shows arrogant or haughty behaviors: do i really have to say anything about this (2). it’s kind of everywhere in the third semester. if you want more evidence: look at his thieves den conversations (crazy)

Total criteria fulfilled: 8/9. (All criterion but 2)

i think goro akechi might be the most covert narcissist in fiction.

Antisocial Personality Disorder:

this one’s a little different than the others.

A. A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (3) or more of the following:

1a. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest: i’m no lawyer but i think murder is grounds for arrest.

2a. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure: this guy lies as easily as he breathes. inevitably he’s lying all the time, considering no one is bringing up the fact that he’s a magic assassin until november 20th.

3a. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead: well, no, akechi is the type to overplan ahead. i do think he’s kind of impulsive, by virtue of the fact that he’s more emotional than logical.

4a. Irritability or aggressiveness: he hides both of these pretty well for the majority of the game but once third semester starts? irritability is off the charts. aggressiveness is usually confined to battle (despite many many many fan interpretations that would say otherwise)

5a. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others: murder and psychotic breakdowns that wreak havoc on public safety sure does suggest a disregard for others’ safety. choosing to become a hitman for someone you know is evil as a teenager also implies a certain disregard for self-safety.

6a. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or financial obligations: nope.

7a. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another: as i mentioned under NPD criterion 7–absolutely. emphasis on rationalizing (“My targets were all doing the same damn thing in this eat or be eaten world. All I did was remove their evil from society. How is that any different from the Phantom Thieves?”)

B. The individual is at least 18 years of age: well, yeah. he’s just barely 18 when you formally meet him on june 9th.

C. There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years: unfortunately akechi is not real, so we don’t have this information. i highly doubt it, though (specifically i doubt there would be evidence, if we believe he was already putting up the perfect front before he was famous).

D. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder: no (but uh. bipolar disorder is another topic for another day)

Criteria A fulfilled: 5/7. (Criterion 1, 2, 4, 5, 7). Criterion B and D are also fulfilled.

SO! conclusions:

the possibility of akechi having any one of these disorders is plausible

the real common enemy are the people who try and say akechi has no longstanding trauma/psychological issues. clearly, he’s got…something.

goro akechi is the cluster b final boss

[narcissisticpdcultureis]

npd culture is trying your best to keep from pulling your partner into the idealization and devaluation cycle because you genuinely really love them. even though i don't feel emotional empathy for them i try really hard to. it makes me nervous that i see them as a bit lower than me sometimes :( i'll always think of them as a person just like me for as long as i can

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[ersatz-introspective]

nobody in the group chat acknowledged what i said abt the crazy thing that happened today i'm cutting them all off because they're worthless to me & i'm too good to need any menials.