I have seen some disclosures in the past about how fandoms force a non-existence "found family" dynamic between the characters then forcibly turn that found family into a "nuclear family" where they will make one character be the "dad" while one character is the "mom" and everyone else are siblings when that's not the case and while I definitely know what people mean by that and have seen it happen before, I feel like in the context of the "Batfamily," some people are taking it too far into the opposite direction.
Like first of all, depending on how you divide them, the "Batfamily" is made up by characters who are either literal family or just close friends/lovers, so I can understand why grouping all of them together and labeling them as one big family may sound confusing (but always remember, Wayne family =/= Batfamily)
Characters like Barbara, Stephanie and Duke (I might even throw in Tim & Cassandra, since they both were only adopted at 17) absolutely have an "unconventional" familial ties to each other and to Bruce, so I personally don't think you should be so eager to fit them all into a stereotypical nuclear familial roles, especially since all the characters I mentioned above (except for Cass) have one or two loving parents who have raised them all on their own without the help of Bruce and are still alive and present in their child's life (except Tim, whose parents canonly died a couple of years ago in-universe).
With that being said, sometimes characters just so happen to fit the bill of a stereotypical "nuclear family" in canon and not wanting to accept that because the children are adopted/not related by blood to their parents is fucked up.
And I say that mostly about Dick and Jason, who for for all intent and purposes were both fully adopted at 9 and 11 respectively (ignoring rectons that aged them up or the fact that Dick was a ward at first only because single men couldn't legally adopt in the 40's), so it doesn't matter how you go about it, Bruce is 100% their father and they are 100% his sons, no ifs or buts.
For me, I have seen too many people trying to down-play the fact that Batman is canonly a dad (maybe because they don't think its cool? Idk) by pretending that him and his literal children are just a found family or just partners and accusing anyone who refer to them as parent-and-child of diminishing this found family and forcing them into a "nuclear" family when that's not case with them.
Referring to an adult man who fully adopted a young child to raise them as his own as that child's dad isn't forcing them into a nuclear family, because he's LITERALLY their dad? That's just common sense.
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I think it’s kind of an odd choice to make Steve bad at school. He would have to have decent grades to play sports. Maybe he isn’t the best student ever and he got more slack being a star player, but he wouldn’t be close to failing. At least before his senior year when he couldn’t get into college.
RIGHT!? I was literally going to add to my previous post about how he was in multiple sports, so he would have been kicked out if he was failing more than one class.
But anyway, I totally agree. I don't think he was amazing at school and definitely wasn't getting all A's throughout, but I also don't think he was failing. At the very least, I don't think he was failing at anything math related.
I've mentioned this before, but I absolutely love the headcanon that he's dyslexic, which was what led to my headcanon of him being great at math. The majority of ELA and history is passage after passage with not a lot of time to read them thoroughly, especially on test. So I understand why he wouldn't like those classes and have low grades in them. And as we all know, his dad gave him a lot of shit about school and grades and trying to get him into the best college he could. So in my mind, it would make total sense that instead of overworking and studying for ELA/History, he would spend the most time getting really good at his easiest subject. Which in this case would be math.
So he would study the most for math and science, leading to high grades. At the very least, he had a B+ in math.
I also think that after his first interaction with the Upside-down, it would then make more scenes that his grades would start dropping, due to trauma and head concussions. More of a gifted kid burnout situation rather than a bad student one.
Anyway, sorry for ranting about this. 😞 Just got really excited to talk about this cause I've been thinking about this headcannon for months and I really just need to make it its own post. 🤷♀️
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Ngl I really just don't care for any criticisms of John that refuse to acknowledge that John is not in our world, and he shouldn't be judged like a parent from our world would be. John lives in a universe where basically everyone's worst nightmares are just OUT THERE, and some of them are specifically after HIS KID.
Like yeah he gave a 5th grader a hand gun but like. That 5th grader is being sought after by literal demons AND his mom was successfully killed by the exact same group/type of entity while under John's roof. Why the fuck would he do anything OTHER than arm the kid, given his level of knowledge about demons at the time??
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FUCKING TAG YOUR MADAM YU BASHING POSTS AS "Yu Ziyuan critical," "Madam Yu critical," "Yu Ziyuan bashing," OR "Madam Yu bashing"!!! IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING SHE DID IN THE LIVE ACTION EXCLUSIVELY THEN DONT TAG THE BOOKS!!! GIVE FANS OF THE CHARACTER THE OPTION OF OPTING OUT OF DISCORSE BEFORE THEY HAVE TO SEE IT AT ALL
I can't force you guys to like Madam Yu but my god do I want to be able to block these posts before having to see them
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had talia not been character assassinated do you think she and bruce should have gotten back together?
no. i hate to use the word "phase" bc that would seem to diminish the importance of what's between them, which is something that will always persist esp as their continued dedication to the same causes and their respect for each other remains. but i do think realistically bruce should be a phase in talia's life. at least in terms of consummated romances specifically. i do love the idea of them remaining allies, close friends, and co-parents, but i think allowing talia to walk away from ra's and bruce in the first place has to stand for something in the long term. before talia went her own way i think it was easier to imagine a potential future where she ended up with bruce bc it felt like the desirable option. she was in this very debilitating position where she had little to no freedom to act on her own desires and goals, the embodiment of which was none other than bruce. so when you frame her situation pre-tower of babel, obv wanting to be with bruce was appealing. he was as much the love of her life as he was a means of escape and freedom and talia having the scope to then act on her own desires. i think that's what subsequently makes dc #750 (or is it #570. i never get the numbers straight and i'm too lazy to check) a really clever issue, actually, bc it acknowledges that and the fact that bruce once again setting her free bc of his love for her actually gives her the courage to step out on her own where she never has before. the fact that she has the option to go back to gotham with bruce and presumably have everything she's ever wanted with him, but she leaves it anyway, is a really huge deal. it's a statement. she loves him, but not more than she loves herself. and sure, what talia puts herself through during lex corp era certainly begs the question of whether her version of loving herself is really viable or in any way healthy, and i would love to see bruce help her recognize that she's not alone and that she doesn't have to do it alone to prove that she's capable. all of this i agree with. but i don't think that really means she and bruce have to fall back on their once-imagined dream of playing house. even if talia did find methods of going about her work that were mentally healthier i don't really know what'd be in it for her to play house with bruce in gotham. bc that is what it would have to be, for their relationship to work in any way. bruce will never leave gotham and son of the demon didn't need to explore that issue bc it was never going to get there but trust that corny as the line about naming the baby thomas or martha was it was reflective of a reality: gotham is bruce's entire life. no matter where he goes, no matter what he does, no matter who he works with, in the end he will always belong to gotham. and i simply do not think that would ever work for talia bc there is so much more she is capable of. while her vision is aligned with bruce's her scope of access and ability is entirely distinct of his own and there is so much more that she can do aside from relegate herself to gotham (hence why lex corp as an arc makes so much sense, bc it capitalizes on that scope). and yeah every superhero couple is kinda crazy and they have teleportation and shit but idk i don't think it's really a relationship for each party to go on long missions with ill-defined parameters that give them the worst sleep schedules known to man and occasionally they share a bed. it really isn't. and that's something that bruce and talia have to live with. their duty is always going to come first even though they both have a passion for civilian life. for talia to be in a relationship again she would have to stop having the liberty of being able to go wherever the work carries her and for bruce to be in a relationship again he would have to have the equivalent of a robin-wife. neither of these things is ever going to happen. so
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while he loves driftmark as a whole, he has a... complicated relationship with spicetown to say the least. he loved fairs before laenor's death and would eventually love them again, but he could not stand to be on them for a few years after his death. despite that luke was nowhere near spicetown when he was killed, all he could imagine when he closed his eyes was the knight killing his father. it was all he could see the first time he went to a fair at dragonstone again after his death, that ended in him asking rhaenyra to return home. had laenor left for battle, he would have at least prepared himself for the possibility of losing him ( they were also still mourning laena, who had died very recently, but that is another matter ). but laenor leaving as usual, being at driftmark and being supposed to return for dragonstone as usual ? and then hearing he would not, because he had been killed at full view of others, in a place meant for merriment, in an event he LOVED ? he had difficulty thinking nicely of spicetown for a few years afterwards, even after he returned to visit driftmark post - laenor's death. he would eventually ask corlys to visit spicetown - it was the last place laenor saw and he decided he preferred to see its good aspects rather than have it tainted forever by only the bad memories of his father's death, even if he would forever link it to his death.
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We don't talk enough about the fact everything wwx learned about his parents was bad and then people immediately compared him to those bad things.
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