#pro problematic ships

[shaftking]

“Caught proshipping” is such a hilarious phrase I just saw someone using lmao like “caught being anti censorship and harassment” “caught being an adult who doesn’t give a fuck about dumbass pearl clutching fandom drama.”

[denamelesshuman]

Whenever antis attack, saying proshipping is a real crime, the Truth is...

[theweeklydiscourse]

No, actually. It is not “shaming Katara’s femininity” or her “maternal traits” to critique the ways in which her character was relegated to a the passive role of the Avatar’s grieving widow and largely ignored by the narrative post-ATLA. Oh my god, we are not “degrading” Katara by pointing out the sexist implications of how her character was handled and to suggest such a thing is just so…infuriating and very revealing of the underlying sexism in the fandom.

No thoughts, just people endlessly glorifying Katara’s maternal tendencies without bothering to question or investigate the adverse effects of her parentification. Apparently anyone who criticizes the writing of Katara’s character is just denigrating “traditional femininity” and THEY are the true misogynists! Not the male writers or viewers who consistently minimize Katara’s significance to the narrative and mock fans who ship her with anyone other than Aang.

Not at all, really we should just accept the conditions of the narrative uncritically and never question the biases of the creators. How dare we criticize them and point out the underlying sexism in their writing?

[skumhuu]

Proshipper = you're against censorship and harassment over fiction & curate your experience on the internet to have a healthy distance from things that make you uncomfortable

Antishipper = you're okay with and even encourage harassment towards "freaks" and "weirdos" you deem morally acceptable to hurt

[acourtofthought]

"But it was Elain's fault too!"

How did Elain enter the Lucien vs Az drama? Can there not be a single post where someone doesn't feel the need bring her name into the conversation just to drag on her?

The initial argument was some accusing Lucien stans of "applauding" his rakish ways (nobody does that) while then claiming Az's behavior in the bonus was problematic (it was, hence why Rhys was pissed). But somehow, some also need to put Elain's name into the conversation because the fandom can never just discuss the male characters and leave it at that.

Between Elain and Az, which character is currently asking something of Lucien?

If memory serves, it is Azriel who personally asked Lucien to permanently station himself in the Spring Court to be their eyes and ears. Azriel who gathered information from Lucien on the Autumn Court.

Memory does not serve Elain asking Lucien for a single thing. Would it be nice if she talked to him about their bond? Absolutely! Is she required to talk to him about their bond? Nope, he hasn't talked to her about their bond either. Bond or not she is a free agent and if you're going to say she's in the wrong for deciding to kiss someone then you're basically saying she has no choice but to be with Lucien just because they were given a bond neither asked for.

Az is also a free agent but why, when he's the one who is asking Lucien for HIS help to provide information to HIS court would he decide to say "Fuck that guy, he doesn't deserve his mate and even though I don't want a real future with her, I'm going to hook up with her anyway." You can say Az can also do whatever he wants but this is where the gentlemen conversation comes into play because a true gentlemen would not do that to someone else, especially not someone he is asking something of. Azriel and Lucien have business dealings with one another whereas Elain is actively trying to have no dealings whatsoever with Lucien at this point.

And if Elain is asking nothing of Lucien, has zero expectations of Lucien then why should we blame HER for Azriel's actions on Solstice? She didn't force him to reject her. She did not force him to flippantly declare he'd kill an ally to the NC. She did not force him to say Lucien would never be good enough.

We don't love that both Elain and Az wanted to kiss (or more than that for him) but the kiss was not the problem. It doesn't surprise me though that some walk away thinking "sex" is the most important conversation to be had. It's the attitude that Az had about Lucien that is the issue and the way he handled (or did not handle) everything with Elain afterwards. The only thing Elain has ever said about Lucien is that she doesn't want a male or a mate, she has never said anything disrespectful about who he is as a person or his worth.

But Az being an ass to an ally, not showing respect to another males mating bond when he himself is so desperate for one then expecting Lucien to continue giving him the information the Inner Circle counts on? Yeah, it's ok to make this an "Az" thing and not try to absolve him by once again blaming a female instead. Yes Elain is an adult but there is a huge difference between 24 and 500 plus. There is a huge difference between someone who is VERY new to this world versus someone who has lived it for centuries. And there is also a very big difference between Elain trying actively not to engage with Lucien versus Az who is actively asking Lucien to rearrange his life in order to help the Night Court out while he then turns around and has no remorse for wanting to bang his mate while barely blinking at the thought of killing him.

[nebulo-philiac]

Browsing the megastar tag is so funny because there's always one or few posters with "PROSHITTERS DNI" on all the posts and it always amuses me like ah yes, megastar, the most universally healthy relationship dynamic in all of tf and definitely not problematic and absolutely not considered a proship by 80% of the fandom

[averysherwood]

A guide to determine who are siblings and who are not on the example of TOH

Follow the instructions below and don't harass people for nothing

1. Do they have the same parents?

Yes? Congratulations, they are siblings! ✅

2. Do they have one same parent?

Yes? Cool, they're siblings! ✅

3. Is one of them adopted by another's parent(s) / Are both of them adopted into the same family?

Yes? No questions, they are siblings! ✅

4. Do they have the same parental figure who raised them / Do they call each other brother/sister?

Yes? Then... It's complicated. They're not siblings in the usual sense, but it's still really wierd to see them in a romantic way, even if they don't have any other problems (king x luz clearly does have other problems, don't get me wrong)

5. Is none of the above list suitable for characters in question?

I have some news for you, they are NOT siblings! ❌

You can headcanon them whatever you want, but it doesn't give you any rights to harass people who doesn't see them in the way you see!

[hed-romancer]

Not proship not anti but a secret third thing. And I’ll tell you the secret. It’s that it’s been YEARS and i still don’t understand the argument.

Here’s what i know and can someone please help me figure out what’s even happening???

Antis argue that writing adult/minor or other problematic ships can romanticize them and influence people (especially minors) towards them in real life. Okay, yeah, life imitates art sometimes and it is strange to be an adult and see two characters, one an adult and one a child, and think they’d be cute romantically.

Proshippers argue that fiction isn’t reality and there’s tons of other problematic themes in fanfic that no one takes issue with, like murder for example. Yes that’s also true. I’ve read dark stuff about murder and didn’t feel more likely to kill someone.

And no one can agree on what’s actually problematic.

Like both sides are right? It’s common sense that people are influenced at least somewhat by the media they read. But a lot of people who write problematic ships are either minors themselves or they’re people who’re trying to process their own experiences through fanfic, which is what we’re all doing.

And we should be having conversations as a community about when something is okay and when it’s not, but also why harass someone in their comment section when you can make your own (non-harassment) post about a trend you’ve noticed and the situations in which it could be harmful and how to protect against that harm?

Like i don’t agree with the proship attitude of “anything fictional is automatically okay because it’s fictional” but i also don’t agree with the anti attitude of “problematic ships are automatically not-okay because they’re problematic” and i especially don’t agree with some of y’all’s definition of problematic, but then some of yall don’t agree with mine either and thats how life works.

Did i get something wrong? I’m genuinely uncertain what this debate is or what side i should be taking here. I was just staying out of it but i am still curious.

[denamelesshuman]

Antis who throw insults and harass others online over fiction really never learn that the more you do that, the more you show you are the problematic ones and that your harassments only fuel us to create more to show our love to our ships that you hate. We're just here loving our own fictional ships with fictional characters and do our own thing and they will be so affected and riled up out of the blue. It's actually really funny how much energy they spend on hating and cursing strangers online but it doesn't do anything to us 🤡🤡🤡

[familymeansnoonegetsleftbehind]

I just saw someone on TikTok joke about Nemlei being doxxed, saying she deserved it and “that’s what she gets for making The Coffin of Andy and Leyley” and I just… no matter what you think about problematic fictional content, how messed up do you have to be to think that someone (a real person) deserves such a thing?

[vagrantcallisto]

"This fanfic is disgusting!"

Bitch, nobody Clockwork Orange'd you into reading it.

[billdickeyz]

WARNINGGG

I AM PROBLEMATIC!!!!! I DO NOT INTEND ON CHANGING!! This is NOT me saying I'm an asshole, I just like stuff considered "problematic"

[catgirl-catboy]

Types of problematic ships:

This is problematic in-canon, and is explicitly addressed as problematic in-canon by a character or narrator.

This is problematic in-canon, but it isn't directly called out. Characters still directly experience negative concequences as a result, but the author expects you to do the math.

There is evidence that this is problematic in-canon, but nothing bad ever comes of it. This could be because the author doesn't realize the implications, or simply doesn't want to go there.

The problematic subtext is there, but not everyone is looking for it or cares about it.

This ship COULD be read as problematic, but it could also be read as perfectly normal. It's ambiguous.

This would be horrible in-real life, but relationships of this nature frequently go unaddressed in canon, so it's very likely it wouldn't be seen as such in-universe.

A sequel came out, and retroactively made a ship problematic.

The author retroactively made something problematic on twitter.

Someone who isn't the author made something problematic on twitter.

The FANDOM decided they didn't like it.

This would be problematic in CANON, but we are playing a very different game than canon was, so who cares?

This wouldn't be problematic in CANON, but fuck you, we're going to talk about this realistically.

This is problematic, but due to the canonical setting, most relationships are. (picture the lack of female agency in historical fiction.) And it frustrates me that these are all considered the same amount of bad. Stop lumping things under "icky" and have an honest talk with how the subject-matter is portrayed. But you won't, because you have no media analysis skills, and make it everyone's problem.

[arottenlust]

I can’t bring myself to support you despite some of your good takes 🥀 you being a goyuu shipper really undermines your points lol

LMAOO yeah ik. my trauma has shaped me and my likes I fear 💔💔❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

That’s why I’ve been posting abt it bc I need the people to remember that my tastes are unfortunately morally and ethically corrupt </3 im not tryna traumatize anyone when they follow me innocently 😭

Do disagree w the second part of this ask tho. U don’t have to support me to agree w my points. My ships and my takes on the whole Toji thing are separate, and it honestly shouldn’t undermine my opinions imo bc they aren’t connected to each other. no matter who says it, being anti racist is the correct opinion 😭??

if it makes anyone feel any better I doubt I’ll post much about goyuu or skit or any of my ‘darker’ interests or whatever (at least for now) bc I don’t rlly read that stuff on tumblr, it’s mostly twitter (edit: ummm I lied there will definitely be freak shit on here...)

I mostly use tumblr for x reader and satosugu fics I think ?

oh but to anyone reading this fair warning that there will be other dead dove shit on here, tho not much, and mostly x reader but yk.

I’m tempted to write abt why I ship them and other similar ships but I doubt the people wanna hear that eek

Honestly I agree that I should try to be normaler but I yam who I yam ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

this made me giggle thanks for the ask!!!!!

[angelsovary]

𖹭 angels roleplay request

🪦🕊

hello! Are you looking for a rp partner? desparate as me but no one you find matches your freak? Please read below! you must be at least proship and okay with any paraphilia or dead dove themes. Im also looking to even make some friends that align with my interests but if you like anime and dark subjects in general, a degen like me and youre profic/paraphile then please be my friend or chat me up, im so desperate aah!

~If i dont reply immediately, i might be busy or asleep. PM ME IF INTERESTED

my name is angel, im 19, and female. Ive identified as profic for some years now, and I've been getting back at wanting to roleplay, but its really hard to find someone who matches me and around my age— but you dont have to be!

I'm into really dark things, and i have no boundries— i mean it! Im a paraphilia freak and i like anything gross , illegal, just downright gross (necrophilia, zoophilia, grooming, necrozoo, emetophilia, hardcore gore, forcful suicide, any fetishes involving death or suicide, cnc or noncon ect.).

*THESE ARE STRICTLY FICTIONAL!! I DONT CODONE

I hope by doing this i could possibly find someone who matches my freak if ykwim ;p

I have roleplayed before many times but not enough to be consistent, but i am experienced, i would say! I am semi literate but i can get into detail (novella ect), and im hopefully looking for someone who can write in a long paragraph, and keep the flow going, but im totally okay with lazy lit or normal one off pragraphs! I'd love for the plot to be slowburn but it can be straight up erp, or something slow that leads to smut. Honestly can be whatever as long as theres action~ ^_^ if your preferance is making a private discord, i can totally do that! I'd even love to have a few rps going at once!

I prefer cc x cc but i can totally do oc x cc as long as im the canon. I have no preference for either character if theyre dom or sub. and i really like ooc and headcanons! Please discuss them with me!!!!

MY MAIN FANDOMS ARE: Naruto and Jujutsu kaisen!

I'm super hyperfixated on those two right now, and im mainly looking for people who are also as brainrotted as me about naruto and jjk, but i can be open to similar anime fandoms, i also like darker fandoms such as mouthwashing, cry of fear, dangonronpa, ect.

I ship literally anything within naruto, and i love all the characters. my main ships are: kakamina, minanaru, kakanaru, kakasasu, sasunaru, sasusasku, gaanaru, itasasu.. and way more.

and as for jjk: goyuu, gofushi, itafushi, choita, sukuita, sukufushi ect...

my main pairing are: mlm, fxm, and fxf. And i love various tropes! im super obsessed with teacher x student, and cheating themes, or angst, and we can totally think of other dark themes. I also love when one of the characters is trans and it can go both ways but of course it doesnt have to be!

this is the jist if it. again, please send me a dm, comment or interact if this fits your criteria and dont be scared at all! And if you dont rp but youd like be friends or talk about any fandoms or any of your fandoms please dm! Please please! I hope this reaches the right person.

[vague-in-vegas]

it's really weird of you to write some of the stuff you do...

Thog don't caare

Thog able to separate fiction from reality