#pronoun discourse

[autismvampyre]

i fucking HATE when people have a moral objection to it/its pronouns and refuse to use them based on principle

"oh but it's dehumanizing!" THATS THE POINT. that's literally the fucking point. i personally use it/its pronouns because as a neurodivergent person i feel a disconnect to other neurotypical people. i don't feel quite human, and not in a bad way, just in a "im not quite human" way. some people straight up just don't identify as human, and thats fine too. it's their business.

"it makes me uncomfortable" ok. and?? that's not my problem. if my queer identity - that does not fucking affect you - makes you uncomfortable; that's a YOU problem. can you imagine if we gave every transphobe a pass on misgendering because using the correct pronouns "made them uncomfortable"?? i see a lot of fellow queer folk using this excuse to not use it/its pronouns as if its not the exact same talking points used by bigots.

not everything that makes you uncomfortable is automatically evil and bad. i feel uncomfortable wearing lots of colour, does that make it morally bad for other people who do like colourful clothes to wear what they like? no! that would be insane. people are gonna do stuff that personally makes you uncomfortable, that doesn't make it automatically bad. if someone peacefully existing and using it/its pronouns makes you uncomfortable then that seems like something you have to work on to get over, because people are not gonna stop existing in the way they feel most comfortable with just because you dont like it.

TLDR; get over yourself. you are not the center of the universe and someone else using it/its pronouns DOES NOT AFFECT YOU.

[socialjusticeinamerica]

[rejectionofhumanity]

Long rant ahead about it/its pronouns. Like, long.

 I don’t like being seen as human. It makes me uncomfortable. I primarily use he/him pronouns. It’s what people think when they look at me, and I’m cool with that, I guess. But I want to embrace my nonhumanity more. And it/its is so appealing that way. But of course, since my brain likes to torture itself, I decided to look up the discourse. And there are so many people who think it’s an affront to everyone who ever lived. I’ve seen, “Oh? You don’t think trans people are human? You don’t think they deserve human rights?” Fuck you. When did I ever say that I think all trans people aren’t human? No. I never said that. And if a trans person hypothetically is nonhuman, why does that mean they don’t deserve basic rights? Is this how you treat animals? They’re not human, so it’s okay to abuse them and treat them like shit? That probably is what you think, isn’t it. Or I’ve seen, “Using it/its pronouns is a clear sign of mental illness!!” That is like one step removed from saying that using pronouns not assigned to you at birth is a clear sign of mental illness. And that’s transphobia! Like actual transphobia, not “using it/its” transphobia. I can’t believe these people! Where does their logic come from? Why are they like this? Are people like this in real life? Is this what I could potentially run into as an it/its user? My god I hate these people. Honestly, if the people I’m talking about find this post, I want you to tell me why you are in any way in the right. Why. Just why.

[chaos-in-one]

Anyways friendly reminder that just because it/its has been used to dehumanize minorities does not make it ableist/racist/transphobic/etc. to use them for yourself as a part of one or more of said minorities. Reclaiming something used against you for yourself to make yourself more comfortable is not bigoted, and saying it is is both ignorant and victim blaming because it puts minorities reclaiming things for themselves from their oppressors on the same level as the actual oppressor.

[ritzy-dream-boy]

i will never understand the argument of ‘but it’s so hard to use different pronouns, these ones just come naturally/i’ve used them for so long for you/i don’t get it’.

i use ‘bestie’ daily, one of my friends doesn’t like it so i never call sun bestie.

i regularly use slurs because i reclaim them, it makes me comfortable and brings me joy. several of my friends aren’t comfortable being called a faggot or a tranny, several of them are. so i remember who’s on which side and i don’t call them slurs even if it’s natural to me. because they don’t like it.

i use ‘girl’ ‘girlie’ ‘dude’ constantly to refer to people, some of my trans friends don’t like them because it causes dysphoria so i don’t use it, i use what they’re comfortable with.

i use various terms of endearment all the time with my friends, some of them are uncomfortable with being called babe, baby etc. so i don’t use it.

using people’s names doesn’t come naturally to me, it always feels weird in my mouth to call people by name. but some people don’t use pronouns, some people just prefer hearing their name, so i make that effort at my own discomfort and i use their name in place of whatever i use normally.

some of my trans friends change their pronouns when the old ones don’t work, i make the change instantly and tell them to correct me as soon as i use the wrong ones and i listen and i do it right. it’s not that hard.

maybe it’s different for me because i’m surrounded by people under the trans umbrella. maybe it’s different for me because i have 18 names and 14 sets of pronouns, so remembering one change or remembering someone uses he/she/they with that preference isn’t that hard. but even if that’s true, it doesn’t make it any less true that when someone changes their pronouns or their name or finds new ones to add to their list it’s not that hard to remember the change and to do it. idk man. i just hate hearing that argument.

[brettdoesdiscourse]

It's very easy to tell who uses she/her pronouns for Trisha because they're okay with she/they and who uses she/her pronouns for Trisha because they don't respect their identity.

[maddie-zylophone-hatter]

Can pointless queer discourse end? No, pansexuality is not biphobic or transphobic, and bisexuality is not panphobic or transphobic. The creator of the pan flag is not lesbophobic, they just support people who use mspec or bi lesbian labels, which aren't lesbophobic. The creator of the pan flag support kink at pride, which is fine. kink is still an important part of queer history, so queer people who partake in kink should be at pride. Truscum rhetoric is transphobic and usually excludes nonbinary identities. Asexual people aren't just straight people and they do get discriminated against. Aromantic people are human, and they don't have to explain how their relationships are important. The battleaxe bi tag is becoming a mspec exclusionist dog whistle tag, like why are pan and bi people fighting? Similar labels can coexist without being queerphobic to the other label. Solidarity isn't "clearing your concise of knowing that x label is y phobic". If you don't like the word queer for yourself, use LGBTQ. if you feel like queer is a good description of your identity, use the word queer. Mogai identities are just as valid as any other identity. Even if you dislike someone's pronouns/ think they're "fake", use them. Unlabeled and queer can be synonyms if you want them to be, if they have different definitions to you then use them how you understand them. People can use the term bisexual if they only have an attraction to 2 genders, or it can be attraction to all genders. Don't be rude to someone who you think has "confusing/contradicting labels"

Yes, this shade to a post I saw on my dash that was purposely panphobic.

Instead of fighting about useless shit, lets fight for reproductive rights and making sure lgbtq+ rights aren't stripped away.

minorities can still have bigoted views.

you cant take our queer rights.

-A

Quick edit, it's in the tags, so I thought people might see it: Radfems, panphobes, biphobes, aphobes, transphobes, homophobes, truscum, and queerphobes dni.

I realized trying to change people's minds and fighting is fucking stupid so sincerely, no discourse please?

[xqueerneurosisx]

Bi has always meant-

But gay isn’t an um-

Queer is a-

Lesbian means-

Neopronouns aren’t r-

It/its is dehumaniz-

Do you get it? Do you get the message yet?

[stvrrysev]

HOW THE FUCK CAN U BE A HE AND A SHE?????????????

WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETER !!!!!!!

anyway who even r u and y r u so mad abt this.. lmao

[whatbigotspost]

Ya know, the “I don’t have pronouns” crowd is so dedicated to their transphobia that they will say this nonsense sentence that HAS A PRONOUN LITERALLY IN IT. It’s impressive in the absolute worst sense of the word…impressive in how comfortable they are with their bigotry making them look fucking stupid as hell.

[crypticpine]

Hey. You know that singular they discourse where transphobes will say "you're just one person you can't have they/them pronouns"

By this logic all pregnant people should be called they/them cause in that moment it's two people. You cant have one without the other until the baby is taken out, so they're they for 9 months. We always hear them say "oh she's eating for two" or whatever they know the pregnant person has a secret person inside why aren't we doing this

[svgarfl0wer]

Reminder that he/him doesn't mean cis male, just as she/her doesn't mean cis female. Pronouns don't equal gender. If you assume someone is cis based on pronouns alone and discriminate against them for it, that's still transphobia.

[lilacbestpurple]

“It’s not dehumanising for someone to use it/its pronouns.” Except some people do say “I like using it/its because it dehumanises me/I feel like I’m more of an animal/concept/entity than a person,” which means that these people do feel unhuman and are asking me to be complicit in dehumanisation.

Like, this isn’t really about pronouns or even gender anymore, it’s about people not feeling human. Which isn’t just something that’s not LGBT because anyone could feel like this, but also incredibly worrying.

[the-transgenda-agenda]

General reminder that transphobes don’t actually care about pronouns and that basically all negative discourse surrounding pronouns is just filler non-arguments designed to waste your time and exhaust you. Same goes for anything regarding “making up new words” as a “reason” against trans people. All of that bullshit is just to exhaust and piss you off. No transphobe actually gives a fuck about pronouns, and if they do, they’re probably not worth talking to. It’s just an excuse to be disrespectful and pretend that there is a “logical” reason to not respect trans people. Language changes and evolves over time. Pretending that it doesn’t makes you look like an idiot.

[chaos-in-one]

do you actually have self respect if you use object pronouns? /gen

Yep! I actually use any pronouns but they/them, not just those

Those are just in my bio because they're the only ones the rest of my system where also okay with

And for pretty much all of us who use them on an individual level, we use it/its as a way of reclaiming them from how they where used to dehumanize us

And kit/kits aren't really object pronouns, just a set of neos lmao

None of that shows any signs of lack of self respect. We aren't hurting ourself, we don't see ourself as an object or see our pronouns as referring to ourselves as one. It's just what happened to make us most comfortable.

[queerautisticsys]

“Refusing to call someone it/it’s pronouns when that’s their identity is misgendering and a dick move, regardless of the reason behind it”

And

“You have to accept that, for some people, it/it’s is dehumanizing, and they are not at a point to call you that, meaning they may refuse to associate with you, and that’s within their rights in the majority of cases”

Are two things that need to coexist.