#mogai discourse

[willows-woes]

"cringe culture is dead" okay then what's your opinion on xenogenders. neopronouns. furries, both sexual and nonsexual. alterhumans.

do you support them, too? they're not hurting anyone. they're just enjoying themselves. but do you support them?

[posting-stuffies]

Original | Exclu comments

Exclus went full circle.

"I'm attracted to one gender" -> "I am bisexual". Lolgic!

[truthfully-system]

"anti-endo safespace" "anti-proship/anti safespace" "Battleaxe bi safespace" "Anti-mogai safespace" "transmed safespace" Can ya all stop calling it a safespace- you guys don't need a safespace, what are you gonna do? huddle up and hide away from the minorities that are smaller then you and never try and attack your community unless in self defence? OoOoOoOoOoO! How dangerous! How scary! Just like the cis allohet white priviledged men! Endos, Proshippers, mspec gays/lesbians, mogai, trans peopel/transtrenders, ect, are not your enemy, we are all fighting against REAL issues, those of you who act like we are the issue? Are stalling

[the-firefly-jar-system]

hot take, but i feel like so much discourse is completely redundant at this point. people aren’t arguing anymore for the betterment of their community or to further their own understanding, they’re just arguing to argue

there are so many interesting conversations to be had about these topics, but people have become so hostile and closed-minded that we can’t even have them. there are flaws in every community, and it’s so important to discuss these grey areas and conflicts. there’s very few people i’ll actually talk to about my opinions on these topics, and it’s because i know these people will listen to and discuss with me.

if we can’t realize that our opinions are not objectively correct, then we don’t have any chance of furthering progress in our communities. we are further separating our communities by the hostility we show each other. we need to listen without interrupting, speak without unnecessary hostility, and do all of this with the intention of molding and evolving our perspective. if you don’t think you can do this, then don’t get involved in discourse.

everyone who involves themselves in discourse needs to ask themselves: what their goal is, what would change that goal, and what would change their process to reaching that goal. if your goal will never change, neither will the topics that we’re arguing over. lack of adaptability means lack of evolution

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[baradyke]

the individualism that has seeped its way into the lgbt community is so nasty because it's gotten to the point where "any label is valid" because "it's how they choose to identify" without people taking even a second to think of how labels can and will affect other people. not to mention people gathering as many microlabels as they possibly can like they're pokemon badges and treat people who have "simple" labels/identities like they're lesser simply because they do not choose to express every aspect of their identities (using unnecessary made up internet-exclusive labels) or oppression levels to every stranger on the internet.

[stormy-mogai]

Hot Take:

Truscum are just Diet Terfs™

[identidiary]

another day, another round of disappointment at MOGAI blogs having "mspec gays/lesbians DNI" in their bio. You are the "make up your gender do whatever you want forever" community. Remember this.

[xqueerneurosisx]

Sorry not sorry, but do y’all not understand what a spit in the face to closeted people in our community it is to announce that “passing as straight,” is some kind of fucking advantage above you that what? ~deserves less resources~ or some bullshit?

It’s not “passing as straight,” you selfish fucking buffoons, it’s called survival.

People still need to stay in the closet to survive, and y’all are acting like a dating partner is gonna- what, “shield some of us” from bigotry? That’s the most backwards shit I’ve ever seen.

[chaos-in-one]

" Isn't it telling how the only people defending mspec lesbians are mspec lesbians?"

A. Wrong, there are mono lesbians who support mspec lesbians (case in point, I'm a mono lesbian myself, I'm literally homoromantic, exclusively same gender attracted. It can't be reasonably argued that I'm mspec.) you just assume anyone who supports them must be one because it makes it easier to dismiss our opinions and say all mspec lesbian supporters "aren't real lesbians"

B. The main people defending a minority being the minority themself is not "telling", most if not all minorities have gone through this stage at some point in fighting for acceptance.

[maddie-zylophone-hatter]

Can pointless queer discourse end? No, pansexuality is not biphobic or transphobic, and bisexuality is not panphobic or transphobic. The creator of the pan flag is not lesbophobic, they just support people who use mspec or bi lesbian labels, which aren't lesbophobic. The creator of the pan flag support kink at pride, which is fine. kink is still an important part of queer history, so queer people who partake in kink should be at pride. Truscum rhetoric is transphobic and usually excludes nonbinary identities. Asexual people aren't just straight people and they do get discriminated against. Aromantic people are human, and they don't have to explain how their relationships are important. The battleaxe bi tag is becoming a mspec exclusionist dog whistle tag, like why are pan and bi people fighting? Similar labels can coexist without being queerphobic to the other label. Solidarity isn't "clearing your concise of knowing that x label is y phobic". If you don't like the word queer for yourself, use LGBTQ. if you feel like queer is a good description of your identity, use the word queer. Mogai identities are just as valid as any other identity. Even if you dislike someone's pronouns/ think they're "fake", use them. Unlabeled and queer can be synonyms if you want them to be, if they have different definitions to you then use them how you understand them. People can use the term bisexual if they only have an attraction to 2 genders, or it can be attraction to all genders. Don't be rude to someone who you think has "confusing/contradicting labels"

Yes, this shade to a post I saw on my dash that was purposely panphobic.

Instead of fighting about useless shit, lets fight for reproductive rights and making sure lgbtq+ rights aren't stripped away.

minorities can still have bigoted views.

you cant take our queer rights.

-A

Quick edit, it's in the tags, so I thought people might see it: Radfems, panphobes, biphobes, aphobes, transphobes, homophobes, truscum, and queerphobes dni.

I realized trying to change people's minds and fighting is fucking stupid so sincerely, no discourse please?

[shrimpmandan]

I’ve been skimming Strange Aeons’ video about MOGAI (it’s a pretty good video I think I just have a short attention span lmao) and something super interesting during the first half of the video jumped out at me and I wanted to talk about it.

The people trying to invent "more inclusive" terms for the LGBT community (GSM and then MOGAI) were also exclusionists in their own right. There was paranoia about if the term "GSM" would invite paraphiles, kinksters, and even cishet crossdressers into the community, which people (ESPECIALLY back in 2014 Tumblr) had a visceral hatred and disgust for. If someone tried to propose that a sex worker is a sexual minority, how would that conversation go over? Who counted as a sexual minority that we should care about? And that's SO fucking fascinating to me on so many levels about how the 2014 MOGAI / GSM inclusionists weren't nearly as inclusive as they painted themselves to be.

Do I particularly care about inclus/exclus discourse nowadays? Nah, not really. Do I still think it’s super interesting that even the most inclusive of people would inevitably find reasons to attempt to exclude people from the community that they personally found revolting, strange, or, in a word, ‘too queer’? Abso-fucking-lutely.

[emuphobic]

Rant!!

I can't believe I have to say this

USING THEY/THEM ON PEOPLE WHO DO NOT USE THEY/THEM WILL ALWAYS BE MISGENDERING AND YOU ARE A TRANSPHOBE

"But I feel uncomfortable calling someon-" Don't interact with us? Im not changing MY pronouns that there to make ME comfortable so that YOU feel more comfortable when reffering to me, you can either use my pronouns or not interact with me it really isn't that hard to understand

Nobody is required to change their set of pronouns because they make you uncomfortable, you need to grow up and realise that not everything is centered around you and unfortunately other people are going to live their lives and not cater to you

In conclusion, grow up and realise nobody is required to change things about themself to make you happy

[just-take-my-hand]

hi, to the mogai community specifically, longish post please read

its under cut, forgive how speak its how i text.

others stealing your typing quirks isnt a big deal. even if someone mimics how yous texts down to atom you cannot do anything other than askings to stop. they also dont have to stop, its texting.

you cannot steal sources because systems can inj anyone/thing, even if they dunno source well! someones saying they're a character w/o knowing source doesn't harm you!

you guys are very queermisic towards biles, panles, etc; how can you say "gender is whatever you want it to be; labels are dumb!" whilst also hatings queer people that dont fit your perfect queer bubble

some, not alls, of yous need to understand if one is texing weird like me or omitting word its 'cause of autism processings or just how one texts; some of us cannot drop "typing quirk". typing quirk are controllable for most, for the ones that arent controllable get called ablest and ives literallys been told to kms over it befores. it's ridiculous. (tryings to say "its excuse" is ablest, in my opinion. you cannot dictate ones mind yourselfs.)

also a lot of yous need to understands pwnpd and other cluster b disorder arent evil and bad. us pwnpd n whatnots have issues with empathy sometimes (it depend on individual) and arent bad just for existing.

im usuallys dont use the terms "chronically online" often, but these are very chronically online arguments and actions. if you get genuinely upsets at someone copying how you text or share source please talk to someone irl if you can. it's genuinely not healthy to get upset over something so genuinely trivials.

(alsos this no discourse blog, just stating personal opinions on topic matters! please be civil towards me and others!)

[sophieinwonderland]

It's interesting how people who claim you're a singlet and a faker still gender you as a girl, even though you are open that your host is a cis man. It seems to be the standard in this circle of Tumblr to not touch people's gender identities even if you want to attack them, but it doesn't extend to other parts of personhood.

Mostly.

(Note: I got this ask at the beginning of the month before that post. Trying to catch up on some asks I missed today.)

Misgendering doesn't happen often. And more in anons than anywhere else. A lot of the people who send hate anons are just aware enough to not post their opinions on my gender in public in a way that can be linked to their account. (The Survivors' Network admin being an exception.)

I even saw some similar asks sent to anti-endo blogs about me, and the anti-endos basically told the anons to knock it off. 😁

[crabbykat-discourse]

When your only response to an opinion you don't like is to bash neurodivergents for their hyperfixations instead of having any valid arguments 🙈 Thanks for proving my point about ableism, though (as well as demonstrating the absolute lack of critical thinking yall have)

[random-schit]

Block people if they're affecting your mental health. Don't read comments if they'll affect your mental health.

Internet discourse is just that- on the internet. Half of this shit people argue about online really doesn't matter in the day-to-day or presents completely different.

Echo chambers aren't healthy but if interacting with certain groups of people is causing you serious anxiety or stress, you are under no obligation to engage, to answer their demands, or to fall into their pleas for attention.

Prioritize your own mental health first before you worry about making other people feel better.