#rogue demigods

[aroaceleovaldez]

do you have anymore rogue demigod headcanons? recently i've been thinking of my own rogue demigod ocs and trying to come up with ideas for them

BOY DO I

Okay i have a lot of very niche thoughts about how rogue demigods work and the sort of loose culture they have as a collective group. I'll go over the main thoughts I have and throw some bonus loose rogue concepts at the bottom of the post just for fun if anyone wants oc ideas. Below a cut cause i've thought about this a lot so there's. a lot:

Most rogues take the "names have power" thing a lot more seriously than campers do, since they don't have the protection of the camps to help them. As a result, many rogues go by "rogue names" or pseudonyms. Some chose their names on the spot, others slowly gained a name over time or were nicknamed by other rogues. Some may choose to not go by a rogue name, but many at least have one even if they don't always use it. Some rogue name hcs I have for specific canon characters include: "Hound" or "Hound of Hades" for Nico (cause hellhounds, also rogues making jokes about him being "the camps'/Olympians' dog"), "Rue" for Chris (named himself after Clarisse cause he missed her, though he's too bashful about it to admit it), Luke's was "Titan," and Hylla's being "Twice-Kill" is just canon. It's also fun to play around with how common some rogue names might be ("Wolf" and other animal names are definitely popular), how silly some might be (Just the first thing that popped into their head, their old street/town name, a famous actor or character, a youtuber's name/handle, cryptids, etc etc. "Ender" is also definitely popular. yknow. from Minecraft), and what stereotypes might be associated with rogue names/common rogue names. You can get real funky with it really easily. I'm personally a big fan of there being a rogue joke about people with animal-themed rogue names, just because of how common they probably are. It's probably rare that somebody earns an animal-themed rogue name from the collective community rather than just picking it themself. Also easy jokes about rogues sliding by with youtuber names or similar just cause most rogues can't access the internet, so they don't get the reference.

Almost all rogues knew about other mythologies/pantheons way before the camps did. It's a very open-secret type of thing. It's pretty impossible for them to not run into demigods from other pantheons living like they do. They just generally don't tell camper demigods about it, partially because it's sort of an unspoken rogue agreement to keep it secret from them for general demigod safety and also because most rogues don't like campers, so it's kind of a joke to keep them in the dark. Titan Army demigods were very well aware of both camps in particular.

The Amazons, Hunters, Circe's Sorceresses, and other rogue groups are also fully aware of this but don't ever mention it, even if they're camp-affiliated. The sorceresses just generally didn't run into campers enough for it to be relevant (and the campers they did run into probably never went back). For Amazons they're probably just too focused in profits to bother stirring up trouble by telling the camps about it. The Hunters probably don't mention it for the safety of the camps.

Camp Jupiter is very anti-rogue and hostile towards rogues in general. It's very rare that rogues are able to join the legion, and anyone who leaves to become a rogue is formally exiled and can't ever return. Most people who join the legion have to either be sponsored by a retired legionnaire family living outside of camp or just wholly directed to camp by a god (or representative of a god - see: Nico for Hazel). Rogues particularly hate CJ because of that. CHB on the other hand is perfectly willing to take in former rogues and there are plenty of ex-rogues in CHB who are fully aware of other pantheons. They just. Don't feel like ever mentioning it. Rogues are generally a bit kinder towards CHB because of their more open friendliness towards rogues, and will help direct new demigods towards CHB fairly often. They're still not fans of it most of the time, but they understand rogue life isn't for everyone and that it's safer, at least.

A lot of rogues take mercenary work, or other hired jobs. Technically this one is just kind of canon. See: Lots of TOA rogues, even some rogues from PJO and HoO are implied to have been hired by the Titan Army or Giant Army (or Octavian). This line of work is seen as totally legitimate to rogues, though there's a lot of different opinions within rogue circles about how it should be gone about. The most common opinion is that it's taboo to take or hire hits on those who run safehouses. Rogue safehouses are usually considered off-limits for any kind of targeting, and trying to target them is sure to ruin your reputation. Stealing or inter-rogue violence is generally considered on the table though. It's largely a lawless space. If you're particularly cruel or try to throw your weight around a lot though, you're sure to be ostracized by other rogues. Because of this, groups like the Titan Army who vocally advertised a lot of trying to make life better for rogues were popular, but other groups like the Giant Army or Tri are significantly less popular because they're seen as just power-grabs trying to hire extra muscle because they can't handle their petty squabbles on their own. Most rogues who joined the Giant Army or Tri were either indebted to them somehow or really desperate and willing to take more dubious jobs.

Norse rogues are actually significantly more common than Greek or Roman rogues, as they don't have any options for a camp to train at instead of living as a rogue, and get hunted down by monsters once they become old enough often regardless of specific parentage. Norse rogues are often more willing to take more dangerous work, as they hope it will either attract the attention of their godly parents to help them or if they build up reputation and die valiantly it will be enough to get them into Valhalla.

Safehouses are rare, but not unheard of. They're mostly just rare because their success rates vary wildly, and many try to build one but fail. The successful ones are often widely known in rogue circles, and there are some that are trade/gathering hubs to find work or restock supplies (and catch up on news). Most are considered peaceful zones, though there are some where combat is allowed, or may even have spectator sports like gladiator battles or etc where rogues can try to build up their reputations and notoriety.

Not every demigod benefited from Percy's deal that the Olympians had to claim all their kids - for some, they could have otherwise slid under the radar, but being claimed caught the attention of monsters and forced them on the run. Some got claimed in the middle of doing something in their mundane lives (with the gods doing some mass-claimings after the war) and had to run away on the spot, and resent Percy/CHB/The Olympians for it.

Free to use rogue demigod concepts:

Amazons and Hunters count as rogues! Anything with them is always fun. Ex-Circe sorceresses are also very fun.

Titan Army, Giant Army, and Tri rogues are also always very fun to play with.

Rogue satyrs, fauns, and nymphs! Or monsters/part-monsters, even!

Cursed rogues! Maybe they're part-monster, and/or the curse is part of them being banished/exiled somehow.

Rogues who run safehouses, or rogues who don't run safehouses but live there. What's their community like? How does it function? What are the rules there, and what's life like there? What's their role?

Think of a rogue name and then make a character themed around that. It's VERY fun I highly recommend it, especially if the names are leaning silly. Rogues stealing youtuber names, or their favorite anime characters, or some other pop-culture reference and hoping nobody notices. Rogue named Vriska or Sans or something. Rogues named after Pokemon. Get funky with it.

Rogues who work with monsters, or have alliances with them! How did their alliance come to be? Is it reliable? Why do they work together - what do either of them get out of it? etc etc.

Mercenary rogues, or other rogues who do hired work. Who are their clients, and what does their work entail? How does that impact their reputations?

Rogues who were revived with the Doors of Death. what were their lives like before they died? How did they die? How did they come back? Were they ever part of the Giant Army? What's their second life like?

Multiple generation rogues! Second-gen or third-gen rogues who were born into rogue life outside the camps but have always known about demigod communities.

Demigod who got claimed unexpectedly from the post-Titan War mass-claiming stuff and was forced on the run.

Norse rogues! Rogues from different pantheons! Or even rogue magicians! How do their lives differ from Greek/Roman demigods? What do they get up to?

[thegoldenappleofdiscord]

"you're ethan nakamura's mother" him addressing nemesis as ethan's mother first makes me think that he was a lot more familiar with ethan than the books implied. you have ten/eleven year old nico trying to repress all signs of silliness and then he sees this kid who has an eyepatch and the pirate obsession kicks in and he just has to ask.

[massiveladycat]

quick pjo oc meme

[stygianoaths]

no but sometimes i think about son of mercury luke and think that he would have been more ruthless than his greek counterpart because he'd grow up with lupa's words in his head:

"conquer or die."

and by the gods would he conquer them ALL.

[rhaenyratargeryn]

Running around Balder's Gate with my good-girl cleric Tav, Karlach and Wyll while poor Astarion is forced to play voice-of-reason babysitter.

[sonic-journeyofthewind]

Tails key art sketch... I haven't talked much about Mr. Miles Prower in this AU, but he's a student at Spagonia University, majoring in Hyper-Go-On Technology (aka "HGO")! The university's currently on break, leaving him with some free time.

Tails also has a degree in Extreme Gear Engineering (EGE) from back when he was studying at the University of Metal City. And he's enough of a natural at weapon-and-aircraft technology that he isn't sure if he wants to pursue a degree in those. I mean, he could learn something new, but he's got enough on his plate as it is...

...Such as this Chaos Emerald that his friend Amy, and her mysterious new friend named Sonic, apparently found in a hidden temple near Little Village?! HUH?! EVERYONE THOUGHT THOSE WERE JUST LEGENDS‼️‼️

[gashaconmagnum]

i think it would be funny if my version of ace actually Is 2000+ years old. and he still was on bandom tumblr and making zero friends as a theater emo in high school

[viscerism]

just had the most stressful dnd experience of my life

[lotusmoonbunni]

Updated ref for Esen. Got inspired by a few outfits. He's changed so much and it's all been fun to document

[puppetmaster13u]

You know what I need more of? The Batkids completely fucking with the Justice League and their rogues and coming up with stories for their existence.

Like I am talking about the creation of demigods sort of stories, like Loki sort of stories.

Duke has convinced all of Gotham that he's the Bat Signal brought to life and that's why he's never seen at night and why the signal literally doesn't work during the day. He's waiting giddily for the story to spread outside of the city.

The batkids have convinced half the League that Nightwing is quite literally Batman's lovechild with Justice. Hey, Constantine had a one night stand with the manifestation of a city and they've dealt with gods before, so surely it's not that surprising? Right???

I need more of the Batkids being little shits, of Alfred the-greatest-enabler Pennyworth backing them up and Bat(the-biggest-troll)man to never confirm the stories, but he doesn't deny them either.

[iceandpeaches]

Heyy I was wondering if you could do a Luke castellan x Child of Apollo Reader, where She’s loves her dad so much but gets disappointed by him and joins Luke into joining Kronos and they’re like the evil power couple?

sorry it took so long! also.. sorry for how short it is i’m in a bit of writing block..

you loved your father. you were awfully loyal toward him, defending him at any opportunity that others tried to dull him down. you looked up to him greatly, praying to him everyday and thanking him for everything. some could say you were apollo’s favourite child. there were times that your father disappointed you though.

he had sent you on a quest to retrieve a sacred lyre to restore the balance in the mortal world having to confront rogue demigods who were disrupting this balance. you had picked out luke and another friend of yours to go on this quest with you.

the quest didn’t succeed. you and luke barely made it out alive, but your friend died.

you came home to camp with scarring on your face, which destroyed the sweet apollo child look you always had. your blonde hair was dirty and bloody, dulling your appearance. your brows were furrowed, permanently creased into an angry frown. you were angry, furious even. you hated your father. you wanted nothing to do with apollo. you had lost respect for your father, ranting your distaste to luke.

luke empathised with the dislike, which made you bond with him closer than you had before. so it was no surprise when luke decided to recruit you. destroy the gods, he said. take back our glory, he said. your loyalty towards your father was lost and your loyalty towards luke had grown. of course you joined him. you wanted your revenge.

when luke had revealed himself to be the lighting thief, you were ready to depart from camp to go on the run. you had met up with luke in the woods, escaping with him. for months, you both spent your days recruiting other demigods while having a spy at camp, eventually finding the princess andromeda as residence and base of operation.

years go by and you’re basically luke’s right hand woman. every moment you by luke side, leading the army along side him. there was no turning back for you anymore, you were no longer the sweet and kind apollo girl you once were at camp.

[aroaceleovaldez]

THE WINNER FOR WHAT I WILL BE INSANE ABOUT TODAY - cause jokes on you all i’m insane about this topic every day - DEMIGODS LIVING OUTSIDE THE CAMPS (suggested by @pjoandgreekthings)

Okay so canonically, we know of technically 4 established demigod “groups” outside of the camps - the Hunters of Artemis/Diana, the Amazons, the Waystation, and as of post-TOA, Meg’s little group. Former groups include the Titan Army, Giant Army, and Circe’s Island. Other than them we have the vague notion of “rogue” demigods, which all of the aforementioned groups are technically, at least categorically. “Rogue” demigods just refers to demigods who aren’t “campers” at either camp - Nico is probably the most prominent rogue demigod in the series, though recently he shifted more into being a proper camper. I say specifically “campers” because retired legionaries from Camp Jupiter who no longer live there are still considered members of Camp Jupiter, and we have quite a few examples of rogue demigods who are affiliated with either camp or Olympus in general.

We know very little of rogues, but what we do know is pretty interesting. There’s also some potential things we can infer - like, due to the presence of the Amazons, theoretically that implies the Gargareans are also somewhere. The existence of the Waystation also confirms that rogue demigods are fully capable of creating independent safehouses (and we also know Annabeth, Luke, and Thalia created safe campsites during their travels together) so the Waystation is most likely far from the only one (though possibly one of the few with a particular divine patron). We also have examples consistently throughout the series of monsters working alongside demigods peacefully, so there’s plenty of precedent for miscellaneous monster/rogue demigod alliances, which is a very fun potential dynamic.

The independent rogue demigods we know the most about are: Nico, Alabaster Torrington, Luke/Annabeth/Thalia from pre-CHB, Mimi (from Camp Jupiter Classified), Chris Rodriguez (though we don’t actually know much about Chris’ time as a rogue or in the Titan Army), and the presumably escaped sorceresses from Circe’s island. Based on Hylla and Reyna, we can presume most of the sorceresses who escaped either joined the Amazons with Hylla or ended up commandeering pirate ships to go do whatever. Between the Waystation and Alabaster, we have a pretty strong implication that Hecate/Trivia kids in particular are skilled at creating and maintaining demigod safehouses, though this skill isn’t exclusive to them (and also, magic isn’t exclusive to them either - since we know the sorceresses were learning magic). Because of Nico (and also the Hunters, and Reyna to a degree) we can also infer that most rogue demigods were actually fully aware of the Greek/Roman split, and particularly with the Waystation we know they’re also probably fully aware of there being non-Greco-Roman pantheons as well. In fact, it’s actually very possible that most rogue demigods are actually Norse, as there is no formal Norse demigod space - at least for the living - which means most Norse demigods would be forced to become rogues until they die and possibly end up in Valhalla. Grim!

We also know most rogue demigods are either non-Olympian demigods or Olympian demigods with very few if any powers, because of how monsters tracking demigods works. The less powerful a demigod is, the more they can avoid monsters. The more powerful a rogue is, the more difficult it is for them to survive due to being hunted down constantly. The only known exception to this is the Hunters of Artemis/Diana, with which it seems Artemis’ patronage overrides the aura of the demigod’s divine ancestor or something similar to protect them. Basically any other demigod is going to find it extremely difficult to survive. A lot of rogue demigods are also heavily implied or directed stated to be rogues because their respective camps didn’t respect their divine ancestors - Mimi and Alabaster are both examples of this - or because of some situation actively relating to their divine ancestor (such as is implied with Chris).

Anyways I have so many thoughts about rogue demigod groups.

[thegoldenappleofdiscord]

pre-hoo nico is friends with everyone not in camp. ghosts. rogue demigods. various deities. "hey nico you were MIA yesterday, where were you?" shadow traveling to check in with alabaster, chatting it up with the Brontë sisters in the Underworld, and having a healthy conversation about the mechanics of revenge with nemesis.

[massiveladycat]

tell us about your pjo ocs!! tell us your headcanons, their appearances, if you feel like they might get along with other ocs that you or others have !! this is pretty much a judge-free, get your ideas out space i have my own pjo oc and i'll share him just to get it started!! Hector Campbell is one of the many sons of Athena. As a twin, Athena created him to be the battle half; he isn't good at reading emotions or reading other people, but give him a task and a battle zone map and he's got it all figured out. He's even apart of a rogue demigod group I'm willing to talk more about (literally, my mind is 30% this man and his friends). He has a lot of street smarts and is trained in cityscape mobility as an errand runner and sentinel for said rogue demigod group. Since the rogue demigods are all practically homeless, Hector is a little ratty and scrawny. He's malnourished, so his height has been progressing much later and much less than it would if he were healthy. He has dirty blond, tangled wavy hair, a leather cap, a camera, and usually a black jacket. And, if you have a PJO OC, to me, you've gotta have a weapon for them too . . . So I picked up a stop sign. Yes, this man is walking around with a massive stop sign strapped to his back. Yes, he gets weird looks. He absolutely gets asked if he stole the stop sign. He actually got it from a pile of scrapped metal. Hector’s a moody, snarky little guy. He’s a demigod; the son of Athena. He’s skeptical and cautious, with a biting sense of sarcasm and slightly dark humor. As expected of all children of Athena, he’s very intelligent and witty, but he also has not-so-good morals. He's a good guy, he's just strange. He does what he needs to survive, and he was raised to not be warm and cozy because he didn’t trust others, and they didn’t trust him so go ahead and share your own ocs if you want!!

[ikeasharksss]

here's the thing. i think will in mortal aus would be a good doctor. a solid, in character choice. but canon will? hm. that's a bit more complicated

none of the demigods we meet in the rrverse are, like, Thrilled about their godly parent's guardianship. like percy isn't a marine biology freak who spends every summer at the beach before he realizes he's the son of poseidon. & even after he realizes, he's never like "oh my GODS i have such a PASSION for CONEY ISLAND!!!!" we don't see that in anyone else either: piper doesn't care for beauty much before & after she is claimed, nico didnt show any hades traits before bianca died & he goes rogue, and frank was actually afraid of showing aggression (around others at least) before he was claimed if i remember son right. the only exception i can think of is leo bc he worked in his mom's garage as a kid. but even then, he isn't a mechanic bc of his dad, he's a mechanic bc of his mom. (we don't know how academic-oriented annabeth was before she came to chb. it's possible that, bc she came so young, she formed her childhood personality around athena, since she had nothing else to hold on to.) so, therefore, i don't think demigods are enthusiastic about their godly parent's guardianship specifically bc of their godly parent. i don't think will would be enthusiastic about being a doctor just bc of apollo.

being a healer at a summer camp & being a field medic in a monster war is very different from being a doctor in a clinic, hospital, or private practice. the type of illnesses, injuries, & disorders a doctor sees in the field would be very different from what will sees in his healer career. we don't actually see much of the healing process in the books outside of ambrosia & nectar, but it's obvious that will would never use them if he became a real doctor. i don't think his healing skills would translate into doctor skills.

additionally, ive seen a lot of ppl in the fandom point out that will would have to relearn all his medical knowledge if he went to med school. that's true! add in his adhd & i don't think will would be to happy to sit through 7(?) years of school learning things he either A) already knows or B) would never use bc he has healing powers.

sure, i think will would CONSIDER becoming a doctor. it makes sense! that's the only life he's ever known! but i think he'd go get a bachelor's in biology & realize after like 3 semesters that it sucks.

"but tumblr user ikeasharksss!" i hear you say. "what profession would will go into if he isn't a doctor!!!!" oh don't worry. Don't Worry. he'd go into pharmaceutical sciences.

hear me out! ive already said we don't know much about healing outside of ambrosia & nectar. & those are basically just the demigod equivalent of mortal medications. will already works so closely w/ them, so it'd make sense for him to be interested in creating an alternative that is safe for mortals. in pharmaceutical science, will could research & make mortal medicine!! it would scratch his innate need to help ppl while also engaging his mortal side!!!!!

thanks baes

[yourplayersaidwhat]

How Not ot make friends: A guide by the paladin.

Literal first session. 

Me (DM): Alright, you all awaken and find a human woman standing over you. You’re in a forest area. Once she wakes up she says “Hello. You lot ok? You all just fell from the sky it seems”.

Paladin: *Immediately Suspicious for some reason* Who are you?! What do you mean fell from the sky?!

Me: Uh. You fell. From the sky. I really don’t know what you want from me there.

Paladin: IF we actually fell we’d be dead.

Me: Uh the lady just shrugs. *Curious as to how this is gonna go*

Paladin: And isn’t that convenient. Who sent you!

Me: *Remember that it was in the background that the paladin was on the run from his old knight order due to corruption*. The lady shrugs and just says “Really I don’t know what you want from me man. I just saw something fall from the sky. My farm isn’t too far so I walked over here." 

Paladin: WHO HAS A FARM IN THE FOREST!? I’m attacking. 

Me: *Chuckling* *Pulls up the character sheet for this LEVEL 20 MONK WHO IS JUST SHORT OF A DEMIGOD AND IS LITERALLY SUPPOSE TO BE THEIR BIGGEST ALLY AGAINST THE EVIL GODS THEY’RE PLANNING ON FIGHTING* Alright. Whacha get? 

Paladin: 18! 

Me: Miss. I’ll give you a surprise round because she probably isn’t expecting to be attacked. 

Party: O.o

Paladin:… 6. 

Me: Oddly enough that misses too. Alright. Guess it’s her turn. She’s just gonna slap you. 26 hit? 

Paladin: *Starting to laugh, realizing what’s going on.* Yeah. That hits. 

Me: So she slaps you for 8 damage. You still standing. 

Paladin: Barely. 3 HP left. 

Me: She’s gonna just slap you again. Unless a 29 magically misses take 9 damage. 

Paladin: Time to roll some death saves. 

Me: This could have gone better. 

Rogue: MEDIC! OUR PALADIN JUST GOT BITCH SLAPPED TO DEATH!

Me; I hate to tell you this but i mean this is more of a ‘oh you’ slap instead of a 'How dare you’ slap. Anyway, she’s gonna carry the paladin to her house and leads you all there to recover.

Paladin: That was fantastic. I was hoping he’d literally get some sense knocked into him. Didn’t expect it this way.