So you can glitch Sun and Moon to exist at the same time
Which is fuckin PHENOMENAL because omfg look at them???
There's just something so cathartic about seing them next to each other???
Idk but!
They both doing their lil skrunkly scrimblo dances compared to the other is SO CUTE.
Im gonna cry i love them so much.
Link to see it yoself below
(I use this clip to support my own personal headcanon which I explain below the link, but if you dont care and just want to see the funny skrumbly boyos, feel free to ignore!)
Not my game clip, here's the sauce:
@ 17:42
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I also love this lil' glitch because by GAME standards, technically this means Sun and Moon are separate entities.
Okay, lemme elaborate before I get jumped in the replies.
Yes, I know their AI is canonically in the same animatronic.
But what I'm talking about is using this as a way of backing the "They are separate AI's/Beings" theory
Here's my math okay
To my knowledge, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but Vanessa and Vanny can't exist in the same room together, even through game breaking mechanics.
If you use the debug menu and fill the "Vanny Meter" to make Vanny appear while Ness is still in the area, Vanessa will turn INTO Vanny.
(Furthermore, did y'all know Vanessa's "shattered" form IS Vanny? Thats p cool imo)
So by games standards, Vanessa and VANNY ARE the same entity.
So, logically, if Sun and Moon are supposed to be one AI AND you only really encounter Sun during one specific sequence in the game rather than multiple times, then shouldnt it work the same way?
(Dont worry, I know its because they have different functionalities in the game. But still.)
Canonically, this means the game doesn't recognize Sun and Moon as the same entity!
Which meeeaaannnsss
SUN AND MOON ARE SEPARATE BEINGS IS CANON
and you cant tell me otherwise.
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some people are so weird about talking about opression as if its just a very cut-and-dry idea that ONLY EVER affects These people and never anyone else. when thats. really just not how anything works.
and then people act like saying this is trying to silence people and not let them have a word to define their oppression or something and its like ??? thats not what is being said ??? have words for certain types of oppression absolutely! its good to be able to have a term to use to spread more knowledge about what certain groups tend to go through!
but oppression for different groups overlap. to claim that x thing only ever happens to y people is just fucked up, because then YOURE the one trying to silence other peoples experiences.
and of course, just having a word to define what oppression a certain group goes through isnt inherently saying no one else experiences it, but some of yall certainly act like thats what it means and that perception is only going to divide you from other people and what things they also go through that are the same or similar to yours.
and it can easily influence the idea in ones mind that x people is The Most Oppressed and everyone else is The Oppressor (when oppression is an action, not an inherent quality of any individual of a non-ideological group), even when theres so many people that are hurting right alongside you and yall can be supporting one another and FIGHTING FOR EACH OTHER instead of with each other. remember, people that are actively trying to oppress others will ALWAYS benefit from people being divided and infighting.
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I genuinely cannot vibe with people who are like "but the messages of the persona games are to accept yourself and other people and be kind to one another and care about things etc etc, bigoted people who like them are stupid and incorrect" because while the first part is true and they have a lot of good messages! everything that bigots are looking for are there. none of the modern era games are particularly revolutionary and none of them really challenge reactionary thinking at all and despite them talking about things like self acceptance and justice, it's very clear that they believe those things should still adhere to the status quo. I love them and the good parts of the games are very good, and they are otherwise fun and well made, but it is very very clear to me why conservatives also get satisfaction from them
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