#''twink'' is usually to describe gay men

[tea-and-secrets]

i'm a girl and i like feminine boys, twinks, femboys, crossdressers, etc. i'm still confused what's the difference between these termins xD

anyway, i don't know why i like them but i think they're cool and veeery cute. i've never met one before, hope it will happen someday

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[piratecaptainscaptainpirates]

I've seen Stede Bonnet described as a "twink" too many times in the past few days and I'm starting to lose it (my fault for going on Twitter I guess), but I realize some people don't know like actual irl gay terms so I just wanna say: that's not the word you're looking for.

In real life, not just talking about like the words you see in gay porn, "twink" means a very skinny, young, hairless gay man. Stede Bonnet is not very skinny, young, or hairless so the word does not fit. "Twink" is not the only or even the best word to use when describing a feminine or flamboyant gay man.

The word irl gay people use that would fit someone like Stede is "queen." Queens are flamboyant, campy, feminine gay men. People can identify with this descriptor regardless of age, body type, or skin color (whereas twinks are uniformly young, skinny, and typically White).

I get this might seem like arguing semantics, but there's a real problem with using very specific labels like "twink" as the only descriptor for feminine gay men. Because the word when appropriately used only refers to young, skinny, hairless, usually White men, it can easily make gay men who don't tick any of those boxes feel like we don't fit in our own communities or that we might "age out" of it. But there's room for all of us, and descriptors like "queen" have been around way longer than any of us.

Sincerely, a queen who is super tired of "twink" being used like it's the only word that can describe feminine gay men.

[jessejaredstories]

Walk on the Wild Side

Sergio was a walking gay man’s fantasy. He was tall and muscular as fuck. Beefy could barely even begin to describe him as everything from his biceps, chest, thighs, back, and even ass were massive! He made his living off of flexing his hot body as well as fucking other beefy dudes on camera. Sergio was truly living the life many could only dream of having.

But although Sergio was living the good life, he couldn't deny that something was missing. More specifically, something about his sex life. Sergio loved his very active sex life and was more often than not satisfied after every hookup he had. Yet at the same time, Sergio found himself wanting more. He wanted something new, and he knew exactly who to contact. Kris the Kink Witch.

Sergio reached out to Kris through Twitter DMs. Kris, like Sergio, also made his living off of recording and selling the videos of his gay escapades. He was known to be one incredibly kinky motherfucker online, and he took great pride in it too- as evidenced by his self proclaimed title the Kink Witch. But unlike Sergio, Kris took a much more professional approach to his line of work. For Kris, it wasn't about pleasure, it was about money. He meant business, and he never shied away from demonstrating that fact.

Fortunately, Sergio was also pretty well-known in the online gay community. Kris recognized Sergio and responded back to him within a couple of minutes. Their conversation went as follows...

S: Hey, you're the Kink Witch right? I've got a request in mind.

K: Yo. Yeah that's me. You want to film a collab together?

S: Not at all. I was actually thinking you and I can link up and have some fun. No cameras. 

K: Sorry, I don't do charity work. 

S: Trust me, I don't either. I just need to have some real fun and I know someone like you can help me out with that goal. I'll pay you a good amount too if you're interested.

K: Go on, I'm listening...

Sergio and Kris went on to negotiate the deal. In exchange for a kinky night of fun, Sergio would pay Kris $2500 in cold, hard cash. However, in order to earn that money, Kris needed to get Sergio to cum and to feel real pleasure while doing it too. But before they could seal the deal, Sergio gave Kris a heads-up by saying that he had already done almost everything anyone can think of. If it wasn't something new and exciting like he wanted, then Sergio had no problem calling the deal off. Yet despite his stark warning, Kris accepted the deal without any hesitation. It slightly unnerved Sergio how confident Kris was. He was pretty sure they both had more or less the same amount of experience when it came to sex. Could Kris really know something Sergio didn't?

Regardless of the initial unease Sergio felt, it was too late to back down now. Kris was already on his way to his apartment. Sergio passed the time by doing the usual prep work of cleaning himself out, just as Kris told him to. Yet despite his best efforts to distract himself, Sergio couldn't help but wonder what Kris had in store for him.

Does this twink really think he's gonna satisfy me just by fucking me? Ha! I've already taken on plenty of men, there's nothing new he can do there! 

Sergio chuckled at his own thoughts. His curiosity was making his mind run wild. Luckily it didn't take much longer for Kris to arrive. He showed up at the entrance of the building and Sergio buzzed him in. Sergio then welcomed the young man into his home, and although he was excited to hook up, he couldn't help but wonder if he was in over his head by hiring some 20 something year old dude with messy hair and a dirty hoodie. 

"Alright, you ready?" Kris said as he began to strip down to nothing but his underwear. 

"Yeah, do you wanna go-" 

"Wrong answer," Kris interrupted Sergio. "I'll excuse the first mistake but you'll only address me as Sir, Daddy, or Papi from here on out. Got it?" 

Sergio was thrown off by how to-the-point Kris was but decided to just ignore it. 

"Yes, Sir." 

"Good boy, now whip out your cock. Get hard too,"

Sergio did as he was told. Kris did the same. Sergio was impressed with Kris' member. It was long and hairy with some decent girth too. Although his was definitely longer, Sergio's cock was the thicker one. They were both hung, Sergio like a bull and Kris like a horse. Once they were both erect, Kris reached down to his pants. He pulled out two rings out of the back pocket, one gold and one silver. He put the gold ring on, then handed the silver cock ring to Sergio.

"Put this on, then on the count of 3, twist it to the right."

Sergio held the cock ring in his hand. The silver hue of the ring almost seemed to glimmer under the light. He hesitated putting it on. It definitely wasn't the first time he wore a cock ring, but Sergio got an inexplicable feeling telling him that he shouldn't put it on. Kris noticed his hesitation right away.

"C'mon, don't be shy, put it on!" Kris said firmly. Sergio looked up and met his gaze but didn't say anything. A moment of silence passed, then Kris sighed.

"Look man, you paid me to do a job and I plan to deliver. You trust me, right?" 

Kris seemed slightly more empathetic now. It was just enough to make Sergio trust him. Sergio nodded, then proceeded to put on the ring. He placed it on the tip of his dick and slid it down to the base of his rock hard member. 

"Alright, ready? 1... 2... 3!!!"

Sergio and Kris then twisted their cock rings to the right at the same time. The moment they did, a wave of orgasmic sensations hit their bodies, causing them to throw their heads back with pleasure. 

"UURRGGGHHHHH!!!" They both moaned obscenely loudly. 

Sergio's vision blurred as he felt the wave of pleasure overtake him. His body trembled as the ring grew tighter around his cock, making it engorged. Then suddenly, Sergio became extremely lightheaded. He could feel his very soul leaving his body. As his soul stepped out of its vessel, Sergio lost all physical feeling as he became nothing but a mass of light. He looked ahead and saw the same had happened to Kris. Both of their souls had just stepped out of their bodies!

Sergio was mind blown by what he was seeing. But before he could even react, his soul began moving on its own. His soul was floating towards Kris' body. At the same time, Kris was floating towards his body. During the brief moment they passed each other, Sergio could've sworn he saw Kris smirking. His soul continued its march towards Kris' body, and as soon as it made contact, it began sinking into the soulless body. Sergio's soul aligned with its new vessel within seconds. Every single cell of Kris' was invaded by Sergio's soul, and he could feel ecstasy wash over him as his soon-to-be new body surrended itself to his control. Once it was done, Sergio immediately felt the difference as he longer possessed his jacked, beefy body but instead a hairy twink like Kris. 

"Arghh fuckk.. what the fuck..." Sergio said with his new voice. All of the extraordinary sensations he just experienced made him fall to the ground. While he was busy trying to recover, he could see his body moving out of the corner of his eyes. 

"Bro look at these fucking pecs! These are some massive slabs of meat on your chest!!" 

Sergio watched as Kris bounced and groped his pecs with shameless joy. Slowly but surely, while Kris was enjoying himself, Sergio came back to his senses. He sat up, then kneeled down onto his knees. Well, Sergio was mostly back to his senses anyway. The sight of seeing a burly man play his own chest was filling him with lust. The only thing on Sergio's mind was how to best worship and please his master. 

Kris noticed Sergio was basically drooling and smirked.

"What's the matter, you want something?" Kris stripped down naked, then bounced his pecs again. Sergio nodded his head vigorously. "Then ask for it, tell Daddy what you want."

"I want milk Daddy..." Sergio said with bated breath and dilated pupils. "Please, Sir, let me worship your beautiful pecs!" 

"Good boy," Kris put his thumb on Sergio's chin and flicked it down, leaving his mouth hanging open with his tongue out. "Now show your Daddy what you can do with that mouth."

As soon as he heard he got permission, Sergio couldn't contain himself anymore and pounced onto Kris. He immediately planted his mouth on one of Kris' nipples and began suckling away while Kris enjoyed getting serviced. He was smirking all the while. His plan had gone off perfectly; the cock rings switched their bodies! That was the kink Kris had planned for Sergio, and he knew it would be the fun night he could've never predicted. After all, nobody knew how literal his title of Kink Witch was. But while Sergio was aware that they switched bodies, there was one little detail Kris kept to himself. Both rings would allow a body swap, but only the gold one would let the user retain their original personality. Because Sergio used the silver cock ring, his soul was forced to absorb Kris' hidden total sub personality when it took over his body. It might still be Sergio in mind and spirit, but it was now Kris in personality. With Kris possessing Sergio's muscular body with his mind still intact, the conditions were now set for him to complete the request Sergio made. 

"FUCK yeah, just like that!" Kris moaned. He could feel as Sergio alternated between licking, sucking, and flicking his nipple with his tongue. His warm mouth felt amazing against his sensitive nipples. Kris pressed Sergio's face down into his chest. Sergio let out a muffled groan of pleasure as he motorboated Kris. They were both having the time of their lives, filling the room with their sensual moans. 

Kris let Sergio worship his chest for a while longer before moving onto the next phases. Within the span of the next half hour, they made out passionately and intensely. Kris stuck his tongue inside Sergio's mouth as they grinded their bodies together, sharing their body heat together. Kris then began moving his mouth down Sergio's body, covering his neck and torso with hickies as he bit and sucked on his body. All while Kris had his middle finger firmly set inside Sergio's ass, massaging his hole and making him squirm while he claimed him as his sub. 

Then, before the final act, Kris tore Sergio off his body. He had a hand wrapped around his throat, lightly choking the panting young man. Sergio's eyes were lit with an intense lust, begging and desperate for more. Kris smiled internally. He had him right where he wanted him.

"Fuck, Boy!! You really know how to please your Master, I wanna give you a reward... Are you ready? Are you ready for Daddy's present for his favorite sub?" 

Sergio whispered "yes Sir, please Sir." Kris then pulled out a couple more things he brought and gave them to Sergio, who put them on enthusiastically. 

Sergio laid there with his ass perked up. Kris came up from behind and laid his big, strong hands on Sergio's perky cheeks. He massaged him first, letting Sergio's bubble butt jiggle in his hands for a bit. He then spread his cheeks apart and leaned down to stick his tongue deep inside his ass.

"Nghh..." Sergio groaned. He could feel Kris' tongue swirl and flick around inside of him and it. Felt. AMAZING. 

Kris ate Sergio out for a while, making sure his ass was nice, wet, and ready for his girthy cock. Once he had enough of using his tongue, Kris got back up and positioned himself just above Sergio. He let his dick rest in between his cheeks and moved it up and down, making Sergio squirm in anticipation. Then, with a wide grin on his face, Kris stuck his dick inside of Sergio. He let out a silent "fuck..." as he watched his cock head penetrate his bound up sub. He thrusted slowly, letting inch by inch of his fat member disappear into Sergio's hole. Kris was proud of his tight and warm hole, and now he finally got a chance to fuck himself in a very literal way. He waited a bit to let Sergio's wall expand to accommodate his dick, then began pounding away at him. 

Loud obscene moans, guttural groans, and boorish grunts filled the room as the two men fucked. Kris found the perfect rhythm to move his hips, fucking Sergio like he was a jackhammer. Sergio closed his eyes as he took the dicking down like a champ. Somewhere in the back of his head was the vague memory that he and Kris had switched bodies. The thought of getting fucked by his own body made his pleasure increase tenfold. It was his own cock stretching out his hole and rearranging his insides. It was a strange thought, but Sergio didn't care. All he could think about was how he was Daddy's personal fleshlight and how much he was loving servicing a big, strong man like Daddy. 

They fucked for a while longer until Kris couldn't hold his load in any longer. He pulled out, flipped Sergio over, tore off the jockstrap, then stuck his cock back on.

"C'MON! CUM FOR ME! COVER ME WITH YOUR- FUCKKKKK!!!!"

Kris finished mid sentence. He rammed his throbbing dick deep inside Sergio and let out all of his loads inside of him. Hearing Kris' satisfied groaning as he cummed along with the sensation of getting filled with his seed made Sergio shootout ropes of warm jizz all over. Within seconds, they had both become incredibly sweaty, potently musky, and drenched in Sergio's spunk. Sergio got his walk on the wild side and Kris completed his job.

Once they cooled down and cleaned up, Sergio collapsed onto his bed. Aside from the mind blowing sex, he was also exhausted by swapping bodies. He was a first time swapper after all, it was only natural. 

But just before he could drift away into a deep sleep, he noticed Kris was still moving around with his body.

"Hey... what are you doing?"

"Daddy's gonna go have a night out with his bros. Don't worry about it, just go to sleep."

Kris hopped into bed with Sergio. He kissed him on the forehead, snuggled with him, and watched as he fell asleep in his embrace. Sergio was way too tired to question it, and Kris was glad. Kris then hopped out of bed and let Sergio rest inside his body while he went out to complete his next assignment: find a hairy, muscle bear with a big ass. Now it was his turn to bottom, and although Sergio woke up the next morning not knowing where Master was with his body, he had no problem patiently and eagerly waiting until Daddy returned home.

[justastrugglinghotchocolate]

I was reading through the tv tropes page for tpodg and one of them was that Basil was not aware that he was gay until he met Dorian, which is laughable, but then I thought about what Basil says in his gay little speech in chapter one.

He definitely describes his gay panic, but notably, he repeatedly insists on not knowing why Dorian has such an effect on him—in the novella ver he even says that he has never let someone else influence his life in the way he was willing to let Dorian do. Which I think points to one specific thing:

Basil was never into twinks until Dorian. His gay panic isn’t just because Dorian is beautiful, but because men like him aren’t his usual type. More likely, he was into men like Henry, despite never letting them influence him (so he claims).

Which brings in the fact that unlike Henry, Dorian is easy for Basil to worship through objectification; he can easily, guiltlessly worship Dorian as art which he cannot do with Henry. To worship Henry (even through art) is 1)fucked, 2)admitting to things he isn’t ready to admit to, 3)fucked. Dorian is pure where Henry is sordid. Dorian is naive where Henry is corruptive. Dorian is safe, Henry is not.

So Basil, in his societally imposed cowardice, chooses a man he thinks is not like Henry, only to be pointedly made aware that his taste in men is shit, regardless of their twink status.

smh he should’ve just gotten a cat/hj

[genderstarbucks]

i have a request

xenogender for ppl who r pro stoning mspec lesbian/gays or ppl who believe male lesbians exist, also dawg half of the stuff in ur intro isnt real and just made up so you can feel special just put "I am gay/queer and trans" nobody needs to know that you are an otter attracted to twinks and bears 500+ fetishes n shit , gay ppl didnt die just so you can sit around and say "guyyyyssss ughhh lesbians can be attracted to men!! they can they can!!!" and trans ppl didnt die just so you can say "guys dont see me as a girl pls it makes me sooo uncomfy but im a female ftm woman trans man pussy vagina cunt man BUT DONT CALL ME A WOMAN GIRL PLS PLS DONT USE SHE HER ON ME!!!!!!!! IM JUST A SHEHERWOMAN BOY!!!"

Usually I ignore hate like this but this is so fucking funny to me

Nowhere in my bio does it say I'm a woman you dumbass LMFAO, it says I'm female, which is different than a woman

Saying I'm just gay and trans does not explain the entirety of my experience, I can use whatever fucking labels I want to describe myself whether you like it or not you wet sock

"That's not real it's made up", yeah all words are you fucking idiot

The fact that you would stone people based on an identity that literally doesn't affect your tiny brain at all says a lot about you

YOU'RE the one who's disrespecting the trans people who have died to transphobia by caring so much about the fact that this is how I experience my transness

I think they'd be proud of the fact that me and so many others are reclaiming slurs that have been used against us

Have you ever even heard of cistrans people? Probably not considering your brain implodes at the thought of male lesbians

Also where the fuck are the "fetishes" in my bio you're speaking of? Those are just my dating preferences fuckface, what? Are you mad that you don't fit those preferences? You're just mad you can't be with me because I'm so great

You are actually so fucking stupid it's funny, you think I actually care about your opinion?

Mspec gays, lesbians and straights will and have always existed, no matter what your tiny brain thinks

Lesboys and turigirls still exist too you idiot

Oh boo hoo a butch lesbian is calling themselves a lesboy, and you're getting offended over that? That's really fucking pathetic

Gay and trans people died for my and other weird queer people's rights, and the rights for us to identify however we want

R you rlly gonna support xenogenders but not other niche queer identities? Stupid ass

Nobody ever said all lesbians like men or that lesbians have to like men, lesbians only like men if they're attracted to men while also calling themselves a lesbian you dumbass

Irl literally nobody cares if you identify as an mspec gay or lesboy, it's people like you who keep pulling this stupid discourse back up WHEN LITERALLY NOBODY CARES

It's not affecting you assfuck

I'm pro stoning people who are like you, specifically with big boulders

[queer-advice-hotline]

hello! found this blog and thought it would be the perfect place to ask this so here goes lol

so, i'm a trans man if that helps. i'm about 99.9% sure that i'm gay and i like men and men only, but there are some exceptions and i was wondering if there was a label for that? i feel like gay or mlm is a bit too narrow for my identity, but queer is way too broad. also, i'm not desperate for a label or anything, just genuinely curious and looking for suggestions so i can express myself properly :) but, like i said, i'm attracted to men and masculine people first and foremost, but there have been more and more exceptions to this that it's becoming a very reoccurring pattern lmao. for example, the men i usually like are tall or skinny or just generally not heavily masculine if that makes sense? take viktor from arcane as an example. of course i still like short and fat men, but i can't help myself with twinks /silly but recently i've noticed that i've become attracted to people of varying identities and there doesn't seem to be a common factor for why i'm attracted to them- at least one i can express other than vibes. for example, there's been an amab genderfluid person who uses any pronouns and has started estrogen and has gotten breasts that i'm highly attracted to, an amab any pronouns user who is trans fem but still has a completely flat chest, an intersex person that uses she/he and is extremely feminine, etc. i'm sorry if this ask is weird or unanswerable, but i'm genuinely looking for any sort of label that could describe me. and thank you so much for reading and giving me your time

You could use omnisexual/romantic, if you wanted. One definition of it is being attracted to all genders, but having a preference, or taking gender into account with your attraction.

[pinene]

When you talk about the 'allowed homosocial model', what do you mean? Aren't gay friendships already something that exists outside the allowed homosocial model? What's with the fixation on bros? Isn't it a loaded term in terms of the required gender performance to be a bro?

I mean the way that men are in some sense allowed to form really deep emotional bonds with each other but in a way that's described to be unique and different than the way they connect romantically with women

I have no clue what you're referring to or asking here. If you mean strictly ~platonic~ gay friendships, I never even mentioned those in the post? But.. sure?

There's no fixation on bros. I understand that a lot of gay men are foaming at the mouth over heterosexual dudes because of some weird inferiority complex, but that's not what's happening here, there's just a passing resemblance. I just genuinely like connecting with other men in a way that's usually described as broey and I'm adding my homosexuality into that. It's like a grafted citrus tree

If bro is a loaded/problematic term for you because there's a required gender performance, I wonder how you'd feel about "butch", "femme", "twink", and "bear", lmfao. I hope you understand that it's literally fine to categorize people and patterns as long as you aren't enforcing them and being weird about it. The angle I'm working from is not "gay men! we must renounce our femininity and rejoin masc society!" but rather "hey if you like wearin boots and you'd rather connect with other men in a more bromantic way but with emotional safety and sexuality vs a traditional idea of romance/relationships, youre valid and this is how it's been working for me"

[orions-bolt]

14, 33 54 and 62

14. How and when did you realize you weren’t straight?

i grew up in a devoutly Roman Catholic household so i was sheltered and a bit of a late bloomer with this. growing up i envisioned a straight relationship for my future but something about it always felt off. i always had an attraction to men but i don't think it fully set in until high school. one day i had a wild hair and decided to throw on some gay porn and the sensation that came from that was like nothing i had felt before. the journey with discovering my sexuality from there was bumpy to say the least (y'know, catholic guilt), but there you have it!

33. Who’s the oddest person you’ve fantasized about?

there's a short twink with a mustache and a deep voice that works at the dispensary i go to and i've definitely had some dirty thoughts about him.

54. Describe how you like your genitals to be touched.

a light grip with lots of stimulation on and around the head usually does the trick. the part on the back of the shaft just underneath the head is the most sensitive 👀

62. What’s your favourite position in which to receive oral?

answered this one here!

ask me these!

[ijustthinkhesneat]

Not to put myself on blast but I just wanted to take a break from my batfam brain rot and expose my Mystic Messenger Brain rot!!!

First and foremost none of these people are straight! It is physically impossible. Like Zen can be this much of theater kid and only like women. 7 is canonically bi. Jaehee is not straight in canon either. Does Jumin Han is Gay? V and Rika are into some freak shit. Yoosung, he could potentially be a heterosexual.

Pairings Zen/Jumin, 7/Yoosung, MC/Jaehee. I could be convinced of Zen/MC because he has huge wife guy energy.

All the men are thinks in the game which feels wrong. Zen at the very least based on the text should be buff as hell. Yoosung I don’t think would be over weight at all but like he definitely wouldn’t have an up and down pole body. Jaehee seems accurate enough to how she is described. Jumin is hard to place since he is super attractive in canon but he never really talks about working out so Twink could be accurate. 7 is also canonically super strong so again maybe made him a bit too skinny. (I’m aware Otome love interests usually look like Jack Skelington but I like some variety in my boyzzzz).

V and Rika deserve and eachother that’s all I will say on that. Saeran deserves better. I know he is like a murderous criminal but it isn’t his fault. I am a Saeran apologist.

[toseebirds]

I don't usually sleep with straight men; the ones interested in me tend to be attracted to trans men in ways that are incredibly off-putting. Chasers who can't seem to distinguish between trans men, trans women, and like... just cis twinks? are a very strange type of people.

But there's always an exception and he's a goddamn delight. I took him home from a friend's party a few weeks ago and we're settling into a "friends who also have sex" situation. I'm the first guy he's been with and it's so charming to have a cis man in my bed who's excited to discover queer sex and wants to play with femme roles and presentation for himself.

Another lovely part of this story is that the couple who introduced us are two trans ladies who find it hilarious that their straight* cis friend fell into the arms of their queer trans friend from literally the moment we met.

*I'm calling this guy "straight" because that's how he's been describing himself to me so far, though we're having some very interesting conversations about what queerness might mean for him. I don't personally have a problem with a cis partner identifying as straight while having wildly enthusiastic sex with a gay trans man, as long as he isn't treating me like some different flavor of "girl" or treating our friendship/hooking up as something shameful.

[syncopein3d]

I used to do a lot of novella style text rp, first on Skype and then Discord, with people I picked up from mostly reddit, rarely here, and occasionally on Barbermonger. It wasn't because of ghosting that I quit looking. Ghosting is a frustrating inevitability of the process. It was mostly because of conflicting expectations. You see, to me there are two primary groups of rpers: storytellers and fuckers.

Storytellers want there to be a plot with a planned ending and for the characters to, if not change over it, do some interesting stuff during it.

Fuckers want to get their character laid.

There are a lot more fuckers. Sometimes they overlap. I would rp with both despite being largely in the story category because I'm aegosexual and I don't care if the characters bang or not, or in what combo of genders/sexualities. I would be looking for a good writer first, and if that meant I would be writing sex scenes, fine, sometimes those are hot. I've always loved writing dialogue and relationships, and romance and sex is a subtype of that.

The fact that I'm indifferent to my character's sex, gender, and orientation means I've written men and women both. (I always said that I'd happily play third genders, but no one asked.) I would ask partners up front what they preferred, they usually wouldn't admit it, and then I would pick the opposite gender to their stated irl one because most were straight people. People wanting queer relationships were more likely to write or respond to queer prompts, so that usually worked out. Playing gay women with a straight man was my least favorite, but in their defense, a lot of straight women wanted to play absolutely the worst yaoi twinks imaginable, and I didn't love that either.

To be clear, I love bottoms and subs; I'm a top who will reluctantly switch occasionally. My problem with these specific situations was that they ended up with me topping for characters who wouldn't exercise any agency in the story. They would want to be dragged everywhere. They wouldn't introduce lore. They wouldn't describe a room, let alone an interesting conflict or antagonist. What happens next? My character is the bottom, so it's not my problem! I asked someone to help me write a conflict once and they wrote, "then they fought some bandits, killed them, and moved on." Great. Thanks. I'll write with the bitchiest high maintenance brat in the universe before I'll write with a dead fish.

So you're probably wondering what's wrong with me that I haven't mentioned yet, like a perfect rp ad with suspicous adjectives in the partner description (open-minded towards what??). I'm a monsterfucker, kind of. I didn't care what species the other person was. I wanted to play nonhumans or humans that are altered. The closest I've come to playing a regular human was a woman with a red mutant eye she hid under a patch, and a human man with some severe scars from surviving a plague.

Basically picture a woman whose characters are never regular hot humans, who doesn't care which genitals they have, but does care intensely about story and grammar. I also wrote OC only, meaning we'd both make up characters rather than, say, the other writer playing Guilliman and me playing Yvraine or vice versa. I preferred original universes, but would write in Warhammer 40k, Fallout, and Elder Scrolls, all settings with broad, deep, relatively complicated lore.

Already you can see why it usually took me a while to find partners. I was about ninety degrees off from what most rpers wanted or were interested in, and I was picky as Hell. Frankly it's amazing I found as many partners as I did. I would end up talking at cross purposes a lot, because the other writer was focused on how to get the characters rubbing their bits together while I was trying to figure out how we get to the city where the big multispecies council happens. Eventually I found people who could do both, but I had to take the attitude toward rp ads that some men take toward dating, where you fire something off a hundred times to get one reply. Except I had it easier than straight men trying to date, because I would get at least one reply of some kind to most ads. Oh, and I'm also absolutely insufferable, if this essay so far has failed to make that clear. Like just a huge fucking twit. This has been less of an obstacle than you might suppose.

The sock puppet people were pretty funny when they were obvious. OC Only in an ad weeds out the people who want you to be Loki or Widowmaker so their horrible self-insert can knock boots, but I would still run across prompts that were very obviously someone looking for dubcon daddies and trying not to admit that directly. Originally I didn't understand why they wouldn't just say what they wanted. I eventually learned it was because actual erotic rp sites are revolting, and they were hoping to recruit someone without a lot of existing gross fetishes who would service their fetishes instead. They definitely wouldn't think of it this way. I think they probably were thinking something more like "can't we just have fun without it having to be about (X thing I'm super not into)?"

Normalcy is a shaky concept on the internet, my friends.

In the end, it ended up being easier and more fun to write and publish my own stories most of the time, whether as a novel no one reads on Kindle or a series of erotic and non erotic stories several people read on AO3. (The erotic ones get more views. By like, a lot.) I still write with a couple of friends, but I can't see myself doing public rp ads again. It's not just that I'm too old, although I really am at this point. I think the fact is that roleplay is different from writing, and I've never been very good at it.

[pespillo]

a reminder for every kid out here that just regurgitates terms they see on the internet because they think they are funny, “simp”/”simping” is AAVE and its basically an insult towards guys who defend girls entirely to get their attention at all costs , but if you just use it in a general manner it means to “thirst for” someone, it doesnt mean to just “like” someone.

to “peg” or “pegging” someone, is a sexual term it means to have sex with someone, usually one person dominating a guy , it doesnt mean something funny or whatever like, just dont use it if youre a minor or with teenage or minor characters literally dont.

dont call minor characters “twinks” like, its really fucking weird considering its to describe grown gay men with a certain body type , dont use “top”/”sub” or “bottom”/”dom” terminology for neither yourself if youre a minor or for teen/minor characters , its sexual terminology , not a personality trait .

[imeengoldberg]

yall shouldnt be surprised when i can give you a dictionary length book full of just story titles of mlm stories written by cis straight women ive seen not looking for them, but can count on my hands and toes all of the (male character) x male reader stories ive found while looking for them.

its all fun and games until i also tell you, hey, theres even less (girl character) x girl readers, or just wlw stories at all. It’s starting to sound a lot like fetishization. 

im not saying you cant write mlm stories as a cis straight woman- obviously not. part of being a writer is writing stories far from your own personal experience. It’s just like what we call bad representation. those people (very flamboyent gay men specifically) do exist, but they are the only gay men every shown because they fit comfortably into hetero-safe stereoypes.

if you only write mlm stories, and youre not an mlm yourself, and you always have the same heteronormative dynamic (one uwu twink sassy girlboss and the alpha badboy in detention who coUldNt bE gAY, hE plAyS FoOtbAlL anD hAz MeAn GiRlFwIeND- but thats all an act? like geez, just say ur biphobic and ask random gay men to be ur gay best friend??) it just starts to lead me to the conclusion you dont have the queer community in your best interest.

honestly, the fetishization is disgusting. it reinforces already harmful stereotypes. Also, I have never, and I mean NEVER- found a mlm story about a trans man in love with another man that wasnt practically porn without plot, save for one kiribaku fic that i wish i could find again. That definitely does not put us trans men in a wonderful light. we are not to be sexualized for our bodies, and neither us nor mlm should be fetishized for loving.

if youre unsure you can accurately write a queer love story accurately, do not do it. if youre worried at all it will come off bad on the lgbtqia+ community, do not do it. it will not hurt you if it’s bad rep, but it will hurt us.

are you good at writing queer romance as a straight person but notice that you have an odd amount of mlm & straight romance and an abandoned desert for wlw or trans/nonbinary love stories? write some! we really need it!

also, there are not enough people of color in stories in general. i notice that a lot of the time, they’re shoved off as one of the side characters- at most, a best friend. why? well, we know why, its racism, but why in my fanfiction. like, this fanfiction was so good, until i realized every single character was described as a western/eurapean with white skin, when, listen, this is an anime and they’re all japanese, jessica. although it’s not something i can speak in depth about as a very white pasty mf, it’s something ive definately noticed and its very annoying tbh. all these mcs look the same. give me some actual people please.

speaking of actual people!

why are there no chubby mcs? ever? like wtf? i get it, skinny people aesthetic or whatever, but it’s actually so frustrating when every character is a size 0 and an unrealistic representation of average people, despite usually starting out as ‘average’. I’d like to feel good about my stomach instead of comparing it to a paragraph in a fanfiction.

finally, ive gotten to something good! 

wlw stories are finally getting as mainstream as mlm! not there yet, but it makes me smile every time i see a wlw story on my feed cuz it means were getting there :)

all-in-all, this is the reason I stopped reading fanfiction regularly a while ago.

this time two-five years ago, you couldn’t pull me away from the fanfiction. I would read main characters (women) who were only ever ‘tomboy’ enough to fall into a safe view of heteronormativity that I held. I’d never even seen the word transgender until middle school- and because my entire life I was conditioned to believe that that stuff was weird or gross, I rejected it hard.

It took me years to get to where I am, and it was a huge struggle. Not that this is one fanfiction/story writer’s fault. This is an entire community’s fault. I just dont want the next generation of queer, chubby, or poc kids to think they’re weird or lesser than like I did. If it’s something I can help to stop, I will.

So, if I ever write an original story, or original characters into a fic, you bet your ass its gonna be the most realistic representation of the real world i can get into a story. now, fuck jk rowling, and have a good night. au revoir, bitches.

[i-did]

hi hello i couldn't sleep last night so i was scrolling thru all ur asks and stuff and ur opinions and analyses are so interesting!!! and then afterwards i was thinking about what u were saying about mlm smut and i'd also been thinking about such things a little bit recently bc like.....at a certain point it becomes quite clear that the vast majority of smut-writing is just imitation. like there's the sex noise verb list and all and the whole general mechanics of the sex and those things just .... replicate over and over. and the whole thing w people writing mlm vs wlw smut regardless of their own sexual orientation..... like i feel like a big part of that is just a self-perpetuating thing. like if u have not had sex and u r getting all ur (pleasure-related) sex ed from fandom (even if u do watch porn, that doesn't rlly tell u how to describe stuff? idk) regardless of What fandom , the majority is going to be mlm smut. which is itself majority imitation of other mlm smut, imitating and imitating back to whoever knows what the first smut fanfic was etc. there's just way More to mimic than there is on the women side of things. which then becomes a self-perpetuating thing, bc the mimicry continues and generates more and more. and---if there are fundamental misunderstandings of anatomy involved---those self-perpetuate as well. and maybe even exaggerate. and yeah. does this all make sense? idk i was just thinking about it. like all the stereotypes and stuff continue bc writers are getting their inspo from other writers rather than their own brains. or something. idk!!!!! it's just all... divorced from reality? bc words. or something!! i hope u get what i'm trying to say. just thoughts i've been thinking. anyway i think ur thoughts are cool. and ur writing. ok bye have a good day!!

Okay yeah this is kinda messy but hope u see this, uhh yeah I think you're right about the echo chamber effect fr about stuff. I think it's a mix of projecting too sometimes. talk more under the cut and also link to a video essay since I love video essays.

Here’s a video that sort of touches on this topic: 

“Gay fanfiction” by Sarah Z. (has CC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8E_C00dKwI

This video begins to talk about fetishization at the end, but also… not really. The words “gay fanfiction” is used as a catchall, when really gay fanfiction is largely mlm written by non-mlm.

Fandom is a largely women's space dominated by the female gaze in a media industry world that is dominated by men and the male gaze. I'm really glad women have this space to explore creativity and queerness, and I don't expect the female gaze to go away, but I am still ultimately bummed out I can’t read most fanfic or interact with most fandom spaces without having fetishization in my face. 

So about 80% of fandom is women, and most of those women aren't straight, but 90% of those women prefer mlm ships. Why don’t they prefer wlw ships? Well definitely part of it is the fact that queerbaiting is centered around white straight men, and then there is also the fact that women tend not to be written as well charcter wise. But the fact still remains that you get jerjean getting priority over Layla and Alvarez who are in canon just as much and are a canon wlw couple who actually interact as well as Alvarez could likely be a woc because of her Hispanic last name. Korasami doesn’t get nearly as much hype as zuko and saka, despite the fact that they are 2 fully dimensional characters who canonly kiss and hold hands, something the creators fought for and ended up having to sacrifice another reboot for. 

I do believe the fandom echo-chamber is largely responsible for… a lot of things, like you're saying. But what's interesting is that the complaints I've heard about visual porn from non mlm in the fandom space is that they can’t get off to it because its for the male gaze and misogynistic usually. But they also don't seem to notice how the mlm smut circles has the female gaze and is also… almost always mlm. If it was a pure anatomical not knowing thing, I get that, but I also think that leads to the question of “then why the male body for porn, and not your own? The one you know and are familiar with?” 

I know some people want to get outside of their own body for porn and don’t want to think of their own anatomy at all, but overall I'm still uncomfortable. If an anglo said “well I watch porn of only Mexicans so I don't self insert” I'm gonna be like … hhhh in a similar way. I understand people “like what they like” but I wish they also noticed said patterns in the first place. I understand the t4t tumblr porn circle, and how it's different from cis people who only watch trans porn. 

I actually wished that instead of fandom focusing on mlm ships where some asshole guy hits on bottom troupe charcter for top troupe character to save, was instead… a wlw character experiencing said shitty getting hit on and other wlw swooping in. what's interesting is fandom writes a lot about misogynistic experiences without often realizing it. Ive read fanfic where guys get called sluts for sleeping with people or called bitch for speaking their mind, these arent things men usually experience, but rather women. Fandom has a lot of internalized misogyny and also queerphobia imo. Women characters often get pushed to the sidelines and men become the canvas for female fans to project onto. 

There is this natural inclination to mlm. When people are talking about “gay shipping” or “gay books” or “gay feels” or even just “gay” mlm is what’s largely in mind. I honestly am kinda saddened by this because if gay fanfiction was really solely about writing more to feel represented, then you would see a lot of bi and ace and lesbian rep, but this isn't the case. Queer women are seriously underrepresented, and I want to hear their stories and read them in fanfiction as well as published. 50% of lgbt literature is mlm, and of that its largely written by women. Becky Albertalli, Rainbow Rowell, Maggie Stiefvater, are the YA big names and are all women writing mlm. Red white and royal blue is written by Casey McQuiston and Captive prince (which is not YA) is written by C. S. Pacat, who is non-binary, but is also TME and not mlm. These are all the big names in mlm lit, behind them is some gay men, but honestly their stories aren't preferred, they're not the right “flavor” for the consumers usually, who are largely women. In general YA consumers and authors are women, but I wish that they… just wrote about women too. I think there is a certain… snowball effect to the overrepresentation of mlm representing the whole LGBT community that leads to fetishization, as well as misogyny playing a factor in: less women characters being written well to write fanfic on, when they are written well they're taken less seriously or the audience struggles to relate to them, they're less marketable then men. 

Idk I never feel “seen” or “represented” by any of the books above, which don't address boyhood and manhood and queerness intersecting really, and AFTG doesn’t either. I relate to AFTG as a trauma victim who has experienced a lot of what many of the characters go through and have gone through in the EC as well as them just overall being very well written characters, but I don't relate to it as a mlm really. I've never seen like.. gay voice or being straight passing or femphobia or how boyhood can be affected from a young age by those around you sensing you're ‘other’ or if you didn't experience this you feel outside the mlm community. Let alone sub cultures like bear and leather and pup, at most you see the word “he's such a twink” in fandom which... i fr hate non mlm using that word because it's usually used to replace the f-slur essentially, used derogatorily or to call him “such a bottom” and stuff like that. It’s like a joke or an insult.

Long story short, idk mang this was a ramble and I think I'm coning down with something. I wanna see more queer women rep and women authors writing about being a queer woman too. I think it's a complex web of fetishization and a bit of forbidden love yaoi culture (or it used to be in the BOYXBOY days) as well as misogyny on an industry level, creator level, as well as reader/consumer and fandom level. I don’t think it’s inherently wrong to explore other peoples stories and what we read has to be segregated, “only mlm are allowed to read and write mlm, only wlw are allowed to read and write wlw,” but I also think author’s intent and audience and background is telling, as well as overall statistics. Like about an hour ago I was looking for cookbooks in spanish or in english, and I was looking for some mexican food cook books, but I had to look for them using words in spanish because otherwise what came up was a bunch of “fiesta party, easy as uno dos tres authentic cooking!” and I was like… hm. Since I could tell they were marketing to anglos. (also the author’s last names were like michelle smith, james cooper, and this could be for a variety of reasons, but I trust Hispanic names more tbh and deadass would look at the authors pictures and if they had other books in Spanish or what their specialties were.)

anyways. not sure how to end this. uhm if anyone has any book recs (my to read list is like 500 books tho no joke) preferably not YA white mlm written by a white lady, hopefully queer women written by queer woman, LMK, I need more wlw and queer women stories on my list. I have a decent amount but always looking for more. I kinda wanna link my goodreads or my storygraph but I also don't want to get doxxed and it has my legal name on it so.

Also, I'm dyslexic and using spell check but if there's like some wild typos my b.

[guysofeurovision]

Who are prime examples of esc hunk,twunk,twink, otter, bear, and wolf?

Let’s see if I get these definitions right (I already hear complaints...! ahah)... Holy Urban Dictionary please, help me!

HUNK (an attractive male, usually with nice chiseled abs) ->  Mahmood

TWUNK (a boy from late teens to early twenties wth the slim structure of a twink : the primary difference is that they work out a bit and have slim muscle) -> Brendan Murray

TWINK (a "twink" is usually considered a homosexual male with attractive, boyish qualities. Typically from the ages of 18-25, and often thought as a young, white, fashionable male)-> Eliot

OTTER (a gay man who is very hairy all over his body, but is smaller in frame and weighs considerably less than a bear)-> Mans Zelmerlow

BEAR (a term used by gay men to describe a husky, large man with a lot of body hair)-> Eythor Ingi

WOLF (a younger, muscular hairy man with facial hair, predatory by nature, more lean than a bear and more muscular than an otter)-> Chingiz

[skypagex]

it’s sky.

Is that SKYLER PAGE? Wow, they do look a lot like DECLAN MCKENNA. I hear HE is a NINETEEN year old SOPHOMORE who are studying FILM STUDIES at Luxor University. Word is they are a REGULAR student who is AGAINST The Unhinged. You should watch out because they can be PESSIMISTIC and SENSITIVE, but on the bright side they can also be COMPASSIONATE and CREATIVE. Ultimately, you’ll get to see it all for yourself.

hellooo people new & old, this is sky! he is a mess lol. like this if youd like some plots with him & below is some more infoooooo

i heard he lives down a river somewhere // basics

Full Name: Skyler James Page

Nicknames: Sky, Sarah Jessica Parker (by his sister), Hippie Twink (Jack)

Date of Birth: January 9, 2002 (current age 19)

Zodiac: Capricorn sun, Scorpio rising, Cancer moon (also Aquarius mercury, Pisces venus, Taurus mars)

Birthplace: Chicago, Illinois, United States

Nationality: Dual American and Irish citizenship.

Languages: English

Sexuality: Homosexual

Gender/Pronouns: Male, he/him

Course: Film Studies major, with a minor in Philosophy.

with six cars & a grizzly bear // appearance

Faceclaim: Declan McKenna

Height: 6′2

Eye Colour: Brown

Hair Colour: Dark brown

Piercings: Four lobe in each ear, plus a helix in his right ear

Style: Sky has kind of an eccentric style. he likes to steal from the 1970s and 1990s most often, with a preference for more 70s androgynous looks, floral prints, and so on. He doesn’t really restrict himself to what is typically expected from “men’s style” and experiments, he usually has his nails painted and he’s been known to experiment with makeup too. Big fan of glitter onstage. Not such a big fan of removing the glitter afterwards. Also his hair is perpetually a mess and he really doesn’t know what he’s doing with it.

he’s got eyes, but he can’t see // personality

MBTI: INFP

Positive Traits: Compassionate, creative, romantic, patient

Negative Traits: Pessimistic, cynical, self absorbed, overly sensitive

Religious Beliefs: Agnostic, he was raised Catholic and to an extent identifies with the faith but also finds himself questioning it regularly.

Description: Sky is someone who’s constantly emotional about something. He’s extremely sensitive, he can be hurt or upset by the tiniest little thing, and then he needs to find a creative avenue to let out those feelings because since he’s afraid of conflict he’ll never tell people that they bothered him and is more likely to internalise it and turn that feeling into months long resentment. Not that he doesn’t get bitchy at times (he does), but he’ll drop snide little hints if you’ve upset him instead of telling you so you can not do it again. He can also be very self absorbed, focussing on his own upset without noticing the struggles of those around him, to the point where he could be described as selfish. This isn’t helped by the fact that he’s very pessimistic and cynical, which can come across as him being grumpy and finding fault in everything in the world, never content. However, Sky at heart is truly a hopeless romantic. He falls in love extremely quickly (and deeply) and will absolutely devote himself to the people he really cares about whether it’s platonic or romantic love. It takes a lot for him to stop liking you, he’s very patient and he’ll let everyone in his life walk all over him forever. Until they realise he’s written a song about them. LOL.

he talks like an angel, but he looks like me / backstory

Sky Page was born in Chicago, the youngest of 3 children. He comes from a pretty rich background, even though he tries his best to act like he’s not a trust fund kid because it “ruins his image.” He has two older sisters who baby him and a cat called Yossarian who he misses more than them.

His family are pretty devoutly Catholic, which caused multiple issues once he began to recognise that his sexuality was most definitely not straight, and when he eventually recognised that he was in fact gay. Sky stayed closeted to his parents for the majority of his adolescence, and would gladly have remained so had he not fucked up and been discovered making out with another boy when he was 17. Cut to Sky being sent first to conversion therapy (as far as his parents friends were concerned, he was “at summer camp”) and then to Luxor to finish high school, with the hope that sending him far away would get him some “better influences.”

LITTLE DID THEY KNOW ... they were sending him to Luxor, home of delinquents & psychotic groups. So Sky tried to balance the final year of high school and his first year of college (which he didn’t even want to do, but expectations) with multiple interruptions from the Circle and Crusade. Which did absolutely nothing for his general sense of woe and anxiety, but somehow he managed to survive the year and a half regardless and now he’s back for his sophomore year of college, ready to die continue to study.

Along the way, he’s had it pretty easy despite acting like his life is 10x harder than anyone else’s. He’s had no secrets revealed, the only real issues he’s faced are those which all students were affected by. Like being stranded on an island. Just the usual school drama. Still, he’s pretty wary about returning for another year, and definitely would have dropped out months ago if it wasn’t for his trust fund being on the line. Guitars aren’t cheap, you know?

oh lord, what have i become? / extra facts

- Sky plays guitar, piano, bass, and drums to varying degrees of proficiency - he’s mainly just a guitarist who dabbles in other things. He writes his own songs and releases them on his Soundcloud, which has a grand total of 129 followers, most of whom are people he begged to follow him on there. (His voiceclaim is also Declan McKenna, yes I know Dec has an English accent, yes Sky puts on an accent to ~ sing in cursive ~ )

- He’s pretty much always stoned. Or if he’s not stoned he’s high on something else. Or if he’s not high on something else he’s probably drunk. Essentially anything to dull the existential dread.

- Also had a kidney transplant at 15. Not a great combo of habits to have. He doesn’t want to talk about it.

- PETTY LITTLE BITCH oh he seems sweet but he’ll bring stuff up for the rest of time if u vaguely annoy him once by accident. Do not test this. Sky does not forget.

- Once left Luxor for a month and in that time Jack Kelly started a rumour that he died and now everyone thinks he’s dead still and Sky really doesn’t know what to think about that and frankly he’s quite confused

- Favourite band is Led Zeppelin, tells everyone he’s related to Jimmy Page even though he’s not.

i’m the face of god, i’m my father’s son / connections

CURRENT CONNECTIONS:

FRIENDS: Juliet, Rhia, Lennon, Rob, Kenzie

CHILDHOOD FRIENDS: Hunter

ENEMIES: Jack

TUTOR: Marcello

EXES: Cain

WANTED CONNECTIONS:

- BANDMATES: Sky has been in bands in the past so it’d defo be fun to plot him and other musician muses starting one together! Whether the dynamic is that they go for success or they argue too much and split up, it’d be a fun one so hit me up to plot this!

- HOOKUPS: Male muses only since Sky is gay, but I’m completely down to hc or plot some hookups. Sky tends to catch feelings even when he shouldn’t, so this could be an interesting one to thread especially if your character feels differently

- DRUG PLUG: Let him be your regular customer, drug dealers of Luxor. Bonus points if they gradually start becoming genuinely concerned and start questioning Sky on his habits because ... yh he probably has a problem.

- CHILDHOOD/FAMILY FRIENDS: Muses who know Sky through growing up together or having their families be close. Maybe they aren’t so close anymore and feel like they have to catch up, maybe it’s now awkward between them - up to you!

- LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE: just hmu im always down for plotssss