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bellamybellamyblake · 10 months

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When the Sun Sets - Part 2

Our Job

Characters:

morgan winchester (OC), sam winchester, dean winchester, bobby singer, ellen harvelle

Summary:

the fallout of morgan’s decision.

Warnings (for entire story):

SPN typical violence, so so much suppressing of emotions, vague mention of SA, depiction of torture, a very pro-torture main character, vague mention of not eating for a while, slightly suicidal ideation, SPN typical alcohol abuse, spoiler warning up to the end of season 8, following canon stops after the end of season 2, but things are definitely going to be mentioned.

Word Count:

4.3k ~ roughly

A/N:

you don’t even know how much i hate this part. there's so much dialogue i wanna cry. i tried to rush through all hell breaks loose as fast as possible so i can post my personal favorite part (the next one - the inbetween.)

dean: 27, morgan: 26, sam: 23

Morgan was silent the entire drive to Bobby's. The boys were talking as usual, but as she sat in the backseat, Dean wasn't letting her rest. If looks could kill, she'd have been six feet under before they got in the car. She knew he would demand a talk with her. And she wasn't clueless to the fact that Bobby would too when he saw Sam up and about.

She couldn't look her brother in the eye, but every time she felt his eyes on her, she'd glance up and away just as fast. She tried to think about how Dean felt when he found out about their father's deal to save him. As if he had to tread lightly on borrowed time or that he shouldn't have even been walking around in the first place. Like it was unfair that he was alive, and John wasn't. She had a feeling she'd be hearing about that.

She knew her brother wasn't stupid, and if anything, Bobby was smarter. Once Bobby found out it wasn't Dean, there was only one other person to turn to.

They'd probably try to make her regret it, but she didn't. She didn't think she ever could. Even if Sam felt guilty about it for the rest of his life, he would at least get to live the rest of his life. However long that might be.

Knocking on the door at Bobby's was tense. Dean wouldn't give her a moment of reprieve, his furious gaze staying put on the side of her head. And her not giving in only pissed him off more. She was preoccupied, to put it lightly, almost more nervous about Bobby's reaction. It didn't take long for him to answer the door, and he looked like his stomach was about to fall out of his ass.

"Hey, Bobby," Dean greeted, the same angry tone in his voice. Sam saying the same right after, but looking at his brother, confused. Morgan knew Sam had noticed their demeanors since he woke up, Dean looked like he was ready to commit murder and she looked like his next victim.

"Sam," Bobby stuttered out, pure shock on his face. "It's good to...see you up and around."

"Yeah, well, thanks for patching me up," Sam said as he patted the older man on the shoulder, walking right in like he belonged there. Which, to be fair, they all did.

Bobby was looking straight at Dean as he followed Sam, like he was the guilty one. "Don't mention it." Morgan followed her brothers, but as Dean looked at Bobby, shook his head, and looked at her, with an expression that told him everything, Bobby's bewilderment grew even larger and more obvious.

"Well, Sam's better. And we can get back into it now. So, what do you know?" She didn't look at him when she said it. She didn't miss Sam's confusion as he looked between the three of them, like he knew something was up but couldn't put his finger on it.

Bobby quickly filled them in, it was as if he was rushing to get all the information out in the open so he could pull Morgan off to talk. She could barely even blink before he was telling Sam to take a look at the map and to try to figure out why one single area of Wyoming was untouched by demons. Then he asked Morgan and Dean to help him bring some boxes out from his truck. The 'needing extra hands' excuse was nonchalant enough to get them alone. Dean nodded, and she could tell he was tempted to drag her out by her ear, but she wasn't about to go that easily. She wasn't about to get torn into that easily.

"I'll stay here," Morgan refused. "Give Sam another pair'a eyes."

"No, need all the hands I can get," Bobby ordered sharply. And at Sam's large eyes questioning why she wasn't going with them, she relented. She knew how this would go. They'd yell, act all mad, but then they'd realize why she did it. They'd realize they were more sad than angry and then they'd deflate.

It was only a few moments of stress before they got far enough out of ear shot when Dean shoved her up against one of the cars.

"You stupid bitch! What did you do, Mo?" He accused, holding her still by the collar. But she could see the terror in his eyes as he pushed her against the car a second time. It always came out in some kind of fury at first with him. This wasn't the first time Dean had shoved her. She knew she could take a few of his punches, and if that's what this came to, she'd be able to handle herself. There were very few living humans that could fight off Dean Winchester, and Sam and Morgan were most of them. "What did you do?!"

She didn't even bother fighting back, though, letting Dean keep his hands on her. She knew if she tried hard enough, she could get him off, but she just kept her eyes on the ground. Too much of a damn coward to look at her brother. She couldn't bare to see more pain in his features, see how beaten down he was becoming. How tired he was.

"You made a deal. For Sam, didn't you?" Bobby asked, questioning her, like she had committed a crime and they were trying to put her in jail. Her silence was enough of an answer that Bobby sighed, shaking his head. "How long they give you?"

"Bobby-"

"How long?!" Dean demanded, gripping the collar of her shirt even tighter until his knuckles turned white, as if she'd try to get away. "You look at me, you coward."

She let out a shaky breath, putting off saying it for as long as she could. It was like pulling out her own teeth, but eventually looked at her brother and rasped out the words.

"One year."

Dean ripped his hands off of her, as if she burned him. In some kind of self torture, she kept her eyes on Dean, and it was like watching him catch Sam all over again. He didn't need to speak for her to know how upset he was, how ruined he felt, like he'd never have another win again. It was like watching Sam fall into his arms over and over and over. She could practically hear his heart shattering in his chest.

She finally turned back to Bobby after sitting in that for a moment, biting that bullet. He, hauntingly, looked exactly like her brother. He breathed. "Damn it, Morgan."

"It's why we gotta find Yellow-Eyes," Morgan declared, keeping her gaze away from her brother on purpose. "I can kill him myself, now. Got nothing else to lose."

With that, Dean shoved her again, the despair quickly wiped from his face, replaced with the white-hot anger from a moment ago. He was seething, but she still couldn't tell if it was because she beat him to the punch or if he was genuinely sad he'd lose her in a year. Probably a mix of both, but she convinced herself it was the former rather than the latter. "I should send you downstairs ahead of schedule."

She kept her face blank as she chuckled humorlessly. "Yeah, have fun with that."

"What is it with you Winchesters, huh?" Bobby asked, the emotion making his voice break. "You, your dad, you're all just itching to throw yourselves down the pit!"

"That's not the point, Bobby!" Morgan roared, getting angry now herself. She pushed Dean off of her with all her strength, which was stronger than she thought it was, given how exhausted she was. He stumbled back and she finally returned the death glares he'd been sending her all day. "At least now, Dad can get what he wanted."

"What does that mean?!" Dean shouted back at her.

"It means," Morgan paused, taking a breath, to stop herself from yelling anymore. "You and Sam? Better at hunting than I am. It means, you'll have one less mouth to feed."

"What?" Dean breathed, like he couldn't even believe the words coming out of his sister's mouth. Like he was shocked she could even say such a thing.

At the utter confusion he was doing nothing to hide, she realized they weren't as similar as she thought. She thought he had seen it. The way they were never able to take a break in whatever motel room they had found, even when John wasn't working a case. That it was always about who could follow orders better, who could get closer to the bullseye, who could disassemble and clean their guns quicker and to a higher standard. She had thought, as they grew up, he noticed it, and that's why Dean started backing off. He stopped getting on her case about doing what dad said, he stopped giving her tips on how to aim. She thought that was why he took back the knife he had given her, because he needed all the help he could get in fighting for John's approval.

Did he forget the fight they had? The only real fight her and Dean ever had? The only one about something more than the way they bugged each other? She had blown up at him, something she very rarely did. But Dean had cut her off, by saying the worst thing he had ever said to her. Something she'd never forget.

"You wanna know why I'm the one that goes on all the hunts with dad? Because I'm actually good at my job. You're just another person I have to take care of. I mean, Dad tells Sam to make sure you don't do anything stupid when we leave. And I'm fucking tired of it. I'm tired of you."

It was one of the few times she didn't regret punching him.

"Why would I let him die, when I could just...take out the defected one?" Morgan sobbed, overcome with tears she couldn't hold back anymore, that fight so prevalent in her mind. It never left her. And all the stress of the last few days, it all came pouring out. And even if she had forgiven Dean for saying it, she never really thought he didn't believe it. And she saw the realization dawn on him. "Something good can out of it. Maybe my life will finally mean something."

"What, and it didn't before? Have you got that low an opinion of yourself? Are you that screwed in the head?!"

She didn't look at Bobby, even after he yelled at her, she kept her eyes on Dean, and she knew he could finally see the toll their father's words had taken on her. The toll his words had taken on her. She was taking herself out of the race for the crown they had both spent their whole lives fighting for, and he didn't have to ask her why. She didn't have to tell him she knew he would've done it too, and he knew there was no way in hell she would've let him. Her and Dean's relationship was strained, but underneath all of it, they loved each other. They would protect each other with everything they had. And she was exhausted. This way the fight was over. He could officially be the one that ended up in John's best graces, but she would be dead, so she didn't have to worry about it anymore.

Morgan finally turned to Bobby, letting him see how drained she was. How little fight she had left in her. "Dean told me to patch him up but I didn't. I froze, and then he died because I couldn't move. I couldn't leave it-I-I had to fix it, Bobby. He's my little brother."

"Mo, it wasn't-"

"How's your little brother gonna feel when he knows you're going to Hell?" Bobby grilled her. Then he turned to Dean, if only to prove his point, not caring that he cut him off. "How'd you feel when you knew your dad went for you?"

"You can't tell him," Morgan begged, not letting Dean answer. "Whatever you do, just don't tell him. Please."

"He'll figure it out," Dean said, his voice hollow after finally getting the truth. "He's not stupid."

"I know. Just, not yet."

When Ellen turned up at Bobby's, and they had tested her with holy water, Morgan gave her a big hug. It was comforting, someone that didn't know what the last two days had meant to the Winchesters was in their presence. It was like she could finally relax. But when they realized what the yellow-eyed demon's plans were, they had to rush to the cemetery in Wyoming - the only time anyone had ever rushed into Wyoming.

They were already there by the time Jake had gotten into the cemetery, hiding behind tall headstones, staying out of sight. Once he had reached the plot he was looking for, Ellen, Bobby, Morgan, Dean and Sam stepped out from behind the graves, guns drawn and loaded. They surrounded him from all sides, trapping him in.

"Howdy, Jake," Sam said as they all inched closer and revealed themselves.

"Wait, you were dead," Jake said, dumbfounded. "I killed you."

"Yeah? Well, next time finish the job."

"I did! I cut clean through your spinal cord, man." Jake explained. And Morgan didn't miss when Sam looked at her and Dean with a question in his eyes. Morgan ignored it, and she was pretty sure Dean did too as they looked back at him. "You can't be alive. You can't be."

"Okay," Bobby said, trying to defuse the tension. But this guy had five guns on him, there was no way to calm this down. "Just take it real easy there, son."

"And if I don't?"

"Wait and see!" Sam threatened.

"What," Jake taunted. "You a tough guy all of a sudden? What are you gonna do? Kill me?"

"It's a thought."

"You had your chance. you couldn't."

"I won't make that mistake twice."

Morgan's hands were shaking. She didn't like this, she always hated this part of the job. The killing, the traps, the risks. Nothing ever went their way and she didn't think it would magically start now.

If her life experiences had taught her anything, it would be to expect the worst. Always.

Jake laughed evilly at Sam's words, like he was a bug under his shoe.

"What are you smiling at, you little bitch?" Dean seethed.

"Hey, sweetheart," Jake said, turning to Morgan. And she wanted to shoot him just for calling her that. "Do me a favor put that gun to your head." Her hand started shaking even more, as she fought the compulsion. But it was too much, she wasn't strong enough to fight it. Jake was forcing her with whatever powers he had. As soon as the gun was pressed against her temple, Jake laughed again, his voice sour and menacing. "See, Sam? That Ava girl was right. Once you give into it, there's all sorts of new Jedi mind tricks you can learn."

"Let her go!" Sam demanded.

"Shoot him," Morgan whispered shakily, like it took all of her strength just to speak. She didn't exactly want to die. They thought of going to Hell early? Well, it wasn't exactly on the to-do list. But she figured if one of them wasn't supposed to survive that night, it should be her.

Being held under the control of someone else was enough to strip her of all the energy Morgan had left. She couldn't get any more words out, her lips were pushed closed by an unseeable force. "You'll be mopping up skull before you get a shot off. Everybody put your guns down. Besides you, babe."

Bobby, Sam, Ellen and Dean all dropped their guns as Jake thanked them, and ran towards the crypt. Before she knew what was happening, she was pressing down on the trigger, but the gun was knocked from her hand and it went off in the air. The shot rang out, and it didn't take long for her to realize Dean had knocked the gun from her hand. Jake put the Colt in the lock, and the door on the crypt started to spin as Morgan heard four more shots ring out. By the time she had looked up, Jake was dying on the floor and Sam was above him, still pointing the gun at him.

"Please, don't," Jake begged, his voice gurgled from the blood going into his lungs. "Please-"

Sam fired out three more shots, killing him instantly.

Morgan had never seen Sam so bloodthirsty. The look on his face was inhuman, one of a monster that was ready to keep killing. But before she could dwell on it she heard the door to the crypt moving, and Bobby yelling at them to take cover.

"It's a devil's gate!" Ellen yelled at the Winchesters, as her and Bobby ran to it to try to close it. "A damn door to Hell!"

Before she could even move, an invisible force had thrown Morgan and Dean away from the gate, her head bashing into a grave stone a little ways away. The pain shot through her like a bullet. She groaned as she landed, dragging herself up to sit against it. When she brought her gaze back up in front of her, she saw Yellow-Eyes coming at her, and Sam running behind him. "Mo!"

She was too dizzy to move as Yellow-Eyes pushed Sam against a tree. "I'll get to you in a minute, champ. I'm proud of you. Knew you had it in ya."

The demon turned to Dean, as he was getting himself ready to stand, but Yellow-Eyes pushed him back, keeping him down. "Sit a spell. Gotta talk to your sis. Don't mind, do you?" He asked, but wasn't holding his breath to find out what Dean would say. "Morgan, Morgan, Morgan. I gotta thank you," He whispered putting his full attention on her, keeping her still with whatever powers he had. "You see, demons can't resurrect people unless a deal is made. I know, red tape - it'll make you nuts. But thanks to you, Sammy's back in rotation. Now I wasn't counting on that, but I'm glad. Liked him better than Jake, anyhow. Tell me, you ever hear the expression, 'if a deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is?'"

"You call that deal, good?" Morgan asked, keeping her face blank, but she couldn't ignore the blood dripping down her face from the gash. Or the way her head was spinning from being, oh, you know, thrown into a damn gravestone.

"Well, it's better than the one your dad got," He said, as if conspiring with her. "And you never wondered why? I'm kind of surprised at you. I mean, you saw what your brother did to Jake, right? Pretty cold, huh? How certain are you that what you brought back is a hundred percent little Sammy?" She wouldn't admit it, but he practically read her mind. Honestly, he probably did. Powerful demons could do that. She let her eyes fall on her younger brother. "After watching your brother come back and watching daddy drop dead, you of all people should know that what's dead, should stay dead. Anyway, thanks a bunch. I knew I kept you alive for some reason. 'Til now anyway. I couldn't'a done without your pathetic, self-loathing, self-destructive desire to sacrifice yourself for your family."

Before she knew it, the Colt was pointed at her, but something stopped Yellow-Eyes from pulling the trigger. Some spirit came up behind him and practically pulled the demon out of his vessel. The spirit was wrestling with it, trying to keep it in his hold, and it suddenly hit her who he was.

It was John.

Her father's spirit.

He got the demon back into the body, but by the time the vessel had stood back up, Dean had the Colt pointed right at his chest and shot him right in the heart, killing him instantly.

At the same time, Ellen and Bobby had gotten the gate closed and John's spirit was made obvious to everyone in the graveyard. He put his arm on Dean's shoulder, in a silent thank you and to tell him he was proud of him. Then he looked at Sam with the same expression on his face.

Then his gaze fell on Morgan, and it changed a little. Like he knew exactly what she did. She imagined he did know, and she almost thought he'd reprimand her for putting herself at risk, even if it meant it kept Sam alive. But then she remembered her father and who he really was, and his face morphed into gratitude. He was thanking her, for keeping his favorite child alive, even if it was at the cost of her own life.

A part of her resented that, but the other part hoped he'd finally be able to rest after this. And in a haze of white flame, he disappeared.

There was a few moments of quiet between the siblings, in awe of what had just happened. "Dad really climbed out of Hell, huh?" Sam asked lightly, breaking the silence.

"The door was open," Dean said. "And if anyone's stubborn enough to do it, it would be him."

"Where do you think he is now?"

"At peace," Morgan whispered, unsure, but her brothers nodded. "Hopefully."

"I don't know what to say, I mean, our whole lives have been leading up to this."

"I do," Dean said, before squatting over the vessel that once held the demon that ruined their lives. "That was for our mom, you son of a bitch."

It didn't take too long to clean up. Sam helped her sanitize the open wound on her face, declaring it wouldn't need stitches, just some careful maintenance for a few days. Bobby took Ellen back to his car while Sam, Dean and Morgan went back to the Impala, as always. The air was somber and eerily quiet after that massive explosion of demons coming out of Hell. She knew that wasn't something they'd ignore, but that was tomorrow's problem. Tonight, they would recuperate.

"You know," Sam said as Morgan opened the back door to the car. "When Jake saw me, it was like he saw a ghost." She slammed the door loudly at his words and walked towards him. She looked at Dean, and he already had his eyes on her. There was anger she knew he wouldn't keep in check for long in them. She needed to get ahead of it. "I mean, you heard him, guys. He said he killed me."

"Well, he was wrong," Morgan denied, trying to leave no room for a dispute.

"I don't think he was, Mo. What happened after I was stabbed?"

"We already told you," She said sharply, hoping he'd take the damn hint.

"Not everything."

"Dean just killed the demon, Sam!" Morgan's voice rose, but she tried to put on a small smile. "Can't we just, I don't know, celebrate for a minute?"

"Did I die?" Sam insisted, switching back and forth between his older siblings. He wasn't dropping it, and Morgan knew that. But she really didn't want to have this conversation. She didn't want Sam to know. She didn't want him to feel the guilt of knowing she would be dying for him in a year's time.

"Sam-"

"Did you, or-or Dean, sell your soul for me? Like dad did?"

"Oh, come on," Dean said, finally entering the conversation. Maybe to help his sister, maybe to let her reap what she sewed. "I didn't."

Oh, fuck off, Dean.

"Mo?" She scoffed, not wanting to admit it. "Morgan, tell me the truth." Shaking her head, she rubbed her hand down her face, almost wincing when she hit the gash on her forehead. She had to look away, keeping her gaze down towards the ground, not able to face her little brother. She knew her silence was her answer and he didn't ask again. She might know both of her brother's tells, but they knew her's too. "How long do you get?"

She chuckled humorlessly, shaking her head, silently telling him she didn't want him to know. The emotion in Sam's voice had her ready to cry, but she pushed it down. And when Dean cleared his throat, telling her she wasn't getting out of it, she finally looked at Sam. Who looked like his heart was being ripped out of his chest. The middle Winchester closed her eyes and took a deep breath.

"A year."

Sam let out a sob, "A year?" She looked back at him, and this time it was him that couldn't handle the sight of her. "You shouldn't have done that. How could you do that?"

"Don't get mad at me. You don't get to do that."

"Oh, we don't?" Dean spat.

"Screw you, Dean, I mean seriously!" Morgan argued, her voice rising as she turned to her older brother. "You were gonna do it, too. Don't pretend you weren't. You're just mad 'cause I got there first. And Sam," She looked back at him and then at the sky. It was black and dreary, something she'd always hated. Night time was when the monsters crawled out of their caves and started fucking shit up. It only made her angrier at her situation. "How was I supposed to just let you die? When I knew there was something that could bring you back, I was supposed to just ignore that?"

"Yes!" Dean yelled back at her. "If it means it's gonna kill you, you ignore it! Absolutely!"

"I had to look out for you." She didn't relent, but her voice had lost the volume it once held. "That's our job."

"And what do think my job is?" Sam asked, his voice raising a little as well. But before he went on, he took a breath, calming himself down. "You've saved my life over and over. I mean, the two of you sacrifice everything for me, don't you think I'd do the same for you? You're my big sister. There's nothing I wouldn't do for you. I don't care what it takes, I'm gonna get you out of this."

No, Sam. You won't.

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November/December 2023 Angel Fish Awards

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Every month all of you fantastic writers work your asses off to post some truly incredible stories. Our Angel Fish Awards are the way for all of us, as a community of writers and readers, to lift each other up and give praise to those who have captured our attention and deserve a few kind words. (Click here to learn more about how to nominate a fic for an award!)

Nominated by @deanwinchesterswitch

Five-Finger Discount by @talltalesandbedtimestories

This story is so smartly written - so many fantastic descriptions and lines of dialogue and it flows so beautifully. I didn’t want it to end. If you don't already have an obsession with Dean's hands, you will by the end of this fic.

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Nominated by @annahmiraculousmillenium

A New Form by Kenophobia (AO3)

I'm nominating this story because it introduced me to a new tag I really like now: "Shapeshifter Dean" Sam is bossy (and Dean actually obeys!) Bobby is in there! John dies! And other cool things I don't want to spoil. Also, it's gen.

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Nominated by @glygriffe

Said the Salmon to the Sea by @bendingsignpost

A mesmerizing (or mermaid-rising?) Dean-centric story about change, about the fact that it comes whether we want it to or not, and how the heck we deal with it. “If this is as far as we can go, it’s as far as we can go,” Dean says with a heavy shrug. Slowly, Sam says, “It’s as far as I can go.” “Yeah, that’s what I just said.”

The Angel of Emetgis V by Kayliemanlinza (AO3)

I read this as part of the Dean/Cas Reversebang 2022 (with beautiful art by @missaceriee) and the concept of true-form Castiel as an alien meeting "grease-monkey" Dean in deep space is compelling as much as how love is expressed between species. (Here is the original DCRB post that made me discover the story)

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Nominated by @heavenssexiestangel

Unlikely by @apocalypseornaw

This story was written for me for the Secret Santa hosted on the Pond. It's a lovely fic with Ketch/GN!Reader, something there kind of is a lack of (both with GN and Male reader inserts). And like, also with Ketch lol it was a really nice pick-me-up as I'm not having the best of times right now, and it made me read an author I didn't know before, so it's a win-win Situation!

Follow That Car! by Mrs_SimonTam_PHD (AO3)

A really nice, short Ketch/Dean story with a side of murder. "I wish to fuck you, Dean" is forever embedded in my brain.

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Nominated by @mrswhozeewhatsis

Spotless by @stusbunker

This is a Dean x reader AU with SO MUCH DELICIOUS PINING!!!! And now Bela's involved! And the reader gets to watch Dean and Bela make heart eyes at each other!! SO MUCH YUMMY ANGST!!!

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Nominated by @salt-n-burn-em-all

Care and Feeding by foolishgames (AO3)

Sam is somehow turned into a cat. The best stories are the first and last ones if you are not an S/D reader, then can be read as mostly Gen.

Dissecting the Bird by nigeltde (AO3)

♥♥♥ Just right.

The Witch and the Wolfen by meus_venator (AO3)

I love everything about this story- meus has an amazing talent and this is one I reread often- plus, it just got a second story!

Sounds Like Truth Feels Like Courage by Sprinkle888 (AO3)

Well-written SPN story. Gen, no pairing, but it doesn’t need one. Sam binds them together with some MoL magic rings and finding out how they work is a riot. Some angst, temp character death, but ends happily. 10/10 recommend. Also posted on my Tumblr.

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Nominated by @spn-fanfic-reblog-writes

Slither by Tiamatv (AO3)

I absolutely love this story! The show of cultural differences between Dean and Castiel that even the reader will miss the cues. Lol! The conversation about sex was hilarious especially since Dean doesn’t ask. 😂 Wait until you read the word “clasp”. Poor Dean. Look up the word: hemipene. This stems all the hilarity in the fic. Just wait. Just wait. It’s hilarious!! SPOILER: Castiel is a naga refugee that is half human and half beautiful snake, and Sam basically “adopted” him as a charity project that turns into Dean’s charity project that ends up making him very happy very quickly.

Rubber Duckie Boots by Hexentaenzerin (AO3)

This such an adorable meet-cute. I love it! I also love that Dean wears rubber duckie boots while videoing carpet cleaning videos for his business, which Castiel absolutely loves to watch. Just can’t get enough of seeing Dean in those boots. Castiel even buys a rug to try to get Dean to notice him. **squee** It’s great! The ending is so Dean and Castiel. ❤️❤️❤️

Weighted by Tiamatv and amireal (AO3)

I absolutely love this fic because I actually sleep with a weighted blanket and when my kids are sick, they love their own. I even have one in the car. It’s light but enough to feel it. This is just so fluffy and romantic all thanks to our favorite redhead introducing weighted blankets which helps so much. It’s been shown to even help babies but blankets aren’t great for them. Anyway, they’re so cute and that scene where Dean opens his eyes all slow and gentle with “hey”, just broke me. My husband and I do that periodically and it just means more snuggles and sleep. lol. Poor Castiel thinking he couldn’t have Dean which I understand since Dean has said so much he is straight or implied it rather often. Ugh. This was done so well. I admit I wish there was more especially with Dean exploring this new aspect of himself and with Castiel. Curious to see what their bumps in the road are and how they handle it.

Close Encounter of the Fourth Kind by Fathersalmon (AO3)

First, this is smut. Second. It is fucking hilarious! I rarely find crack in smut. You have to read this hilarity. Dean’s sassy mouth is just amazing in this while Castiel just ignores him. 🤣 If you want to laugh, read this!

Firelight Glow by bleuzombie (AO3)

I just love how it progresses and the ending is great though. It’s so sweet and fluffy. Their connection is so tangible the reader can feel it like the characters do. It also has Trans Dean Winchester, which I always love to read, especially by @bleuzombie who knows how to write them so authentically and truthfully.

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Nominated by @spencereliotwinchester

Stray Hearts by blujay44 (AO3)

It's definitely a weird one, but I really like how fluffy it is. Really, though, it's weird... but it's a feel-good one, especially when Jensen comforts Jared.

Pastiche (orphaned work on AO3)

This is literally one of my favorite SPN fics ever. I reread it a lot. Features Autistic!Jensen and loveable goldenretriever Jared who just wants to get to know his neighbor.

Flash by ellia (AO3)

Short, sweet, almost possessive... Also features my two favorite boys: Jensen and Christian.

For the Taking by veronamay (AO3)

Steamy, sexy, bdsm, Jared and Jensen. What more could you ask for??

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Nominated by @mariekoukie6661

House of the Rising Son by @kittenofdoomage

I really love the idea of Sam and Dean being the bad guys! The story as a whole is so goood!

Blood and Honey by @kittenofdoomage

Dark!Winchesters are my favorite kind of tropes! This is such a great story, very well written!

Baklavas For Your Birthday by @cloverhighfive

This is very cute!!!

Muddy Soul by @impala-dreamer

This is so good! Its very dark at times and you absolutely need to mind the tags! But this is such a great series!

Strangers by @smellingofpoetry

Very cute story!! I liked it!!!

I am my beloved’s and my beloved’s mine by @heavenssexiestangel

Very cute! Very fluffy!!!! I liked it!!!!

THANK YOU ALL, KEEP UP THE AMAZING WORK, AND AS ALWAYS, HAPPY WRITING!

- From your Admins and Manta Rays, @manawhaat, @mrswhozeewhatsis, @mariekoukie6661, @thoughtslikeaminefield, @spencereliotwinchester, and @heavenssexiestangel!

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sam-winchester-admiration-league · 5 months

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Why Carry On was the best possible ending

Complete review here (X). The following are excerpts:

I’ve heard the complaints, Dean deserved happiness too. Trust me when I say, he got it. All he ever wanted was for Sam to have a normal life. His entire life mission was to assure that. He also knew the life would get him.

Dean took on that role of protecting Sam proudly when he was only four years old! Remember season two’s “What is and What Should Never Be?” In his ideal world, Sam and Jessica were together and he went to law school. He couldn’t live with the thought of Sam being dead, thus triggering the demon deal in “All Hell Breaks Loose Part II” where he essentially sacrificed himself so Sam could live. Everything he did through most of the series was to protect Sam. He had an angel posses Sam in season nine so his brother could heal from his mortal wounds, knowing it went against Sam’s wishes. Then he did the unthinkable, he said “Yes” to Michael in season 13’s “Let the Good Times Roll,” something he would have never done if Sam’s life wasn’t at stake.

At the same time, Dean only ever saw hunting as the life for himself. He tried family life with Ben and Lisa because Sam made him promise during “Swan Song,” but it didn’t work out. It never felt right to him. Or how about this crucial piece of dialogue season 8’s “Trial and Error?” (Which happens to be an Andrew Dabb script). He pretty much spelled out where he saw both of their futures.

They established in the Pilot right away that all Sam ever wanted was a normal life. That was constantly reinforced through the series. There was season four’s “After School Special,” where young Sam talked to his teacher about not wanting to go into the family business. Even one of the more recent episodes, “Drag Me Away (From You),” reminded us of that desire. In season 8, after Dean was gone, Sam went after that normal life and enjoyed it, but was pulled back into hunting when Dean came back. When he had the chance to go back to Amelia and have that domestic life, he chose to stay with Dean because they still had more work to do. He stayed with Dean out of duty to his brother, but the hints, like him pursuing a relationship with Eileen, were always there that he wanted more.

There has also been mention through the series, like season 8’s “As Time Goes By,” about legacy. The Winchester family name was important and was meant to continue. There was Mary’s family, The Campbells, who were a hunting family. The tradition of hunting and saving people went too deep into the family blood. It would have been nice if both Sam and Dean could have children, but it was often foreshadowed that would be Sam’s destiny. It seems fitting that it would be Sam, since he was the one doomed from the start by Mary’s deal. He was the one that John and Dean fought so hard to protect. He was the one that ultimately could pull off that life because he was the one that desired it.

Dean’s last heroic act was making sure Sam would get his normal life. He broke the cycle of the Winchesters cheating death, paying the ultimate sacrifice so Sam could move on. This whole saving each other started with season one’s “Faith,” and each rescue from the jaws of death proved to be more and more catastrophic to the natural order. They were always living on borrowed time. Dean knew that Sam would never have the life he wanted with him around. He finally did the right thing and let go and made Sam promise to let go as well. By doing that at the end they both found peace, just in different ways.

#sam winchester #supernatural #dean winchester #spn #Carry On Anniversary

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hello please expound on "he wouldn't be proud"

Hello! Alright, so, a couple of months ago there was a bit of analysis going around about the first half of Devil's Trap, specifically about how Azazel had possessed John to use as bait, etc. (If anyone knows what I'm talking about please send a link my way). And I remember thinking, isn't it strange/interesting that an extremely powerful demonic entity spent 24+ hours in John's brain, presumably scraping data, and still couldn't come up with something to fool Dean in the cabin? And you could say, well Dean knows his father better than anyone. And I love that-- not only because I'm invested in their relationship but also because I think that's true. Dean is John's longest relationship/partnership, and I think by the time John dies Dean is adult enough to have a more mature/nuanced understanding of his father, Dean is his confidant, they share all sorts of secrets that Sam is not privy to and which are revealed continuously over the course of the show (up to s14), Dean looks up to him and studies him and for that reason I would even say that John is probably the person Dean knows best, at that point in the narrative. So, yes, Dean is the person who knows John best in the world.

But I find this take not fully satisfying, because, actually, what Azazel says should have worked. This is how the dialogue in Devil's Trap goes:

Almost everything Azazel says a) is true and b) Dean knows is true. 1) "I won't miss" is the reckless bravado we see John exhibit throughout and which Dean actively calls him out on so --- sounds like Dad, and it's not crazy to imagine that he would want to take the kill-shot after he dedicated over two decades to hunting Azazel; 2) "Sam and I get obsessed" --- Dean himself has said this multiple times, and "You look out for this family" is what we observe to be true by watching the show, and we know Dean agrees --- and this actually could have been the weird un-Dad-like thing to say, but that's not what Dean singles out. It comes down to "he wouldn't be proud of me," --- and I actually think Dean is wrong here!

Maybe John wouldn't say "I'm proud" outright, but he surely wouldn't "tear [Dean] a new one," and we know this because pretty much every time we see Dean stand up to John in person, John folds.

We see this a couple of times in Dead Man's Blood.

After which John just turns around and gets back in his car and there is a momentary truce. He doesn't lash out at Dean, he doesn't try to instigate a physical fight, he doesn't say anything humiliating or try to undermine his position as mediator, etc. It's stark how differently he reacts to Dean and to Sam in this scene.

There are also the more obvious moments where the camera pans to Sam's face to show that "oh shit Dean is really stepping out of line here":

Sam is doing his oh shit face, and you can tell Dean is close to shitting his pants (if he hasn't already) --- but but again, there is no explosive reaction here. John just explains that 1) Azazel is extremely powerful, 2) John expects to die, and 3) "I can't watch my children die" --- he's vulnerable with them and expresses his anxieties and pretty much confesses his willingness to die for this mission. This conversation ends with a "this is an order" and they leave having (silently) agreed to follow John's plan. Of course, they don't, and we get this moment at the end of the episode:

Look at their little freaked faces--- and not only is John cool once again, he also agrees to their plan.

Next episode, Salvation, we have this interaction:

and Netflix doesn't transcribe this fully for some reason but John says, "You're right. I'm sorry," at the end there. Is he being dismissive? Sure. He doesn't clarify that "in fact, I was there in Lawrence," which leads me to believe that if he were there somewhere off-screen in Faith he wouldn't have mentioned it either. But, point stands, this guy is not getting off the bed to start a fight, he's not shouting, he's not throwing insults, etc. He's consistently mellower than we and Sam and Dean expect him to be, from the first time we see him interact with them in Shadow and reconcile with Sam (Sam is anxious about this moment throughout the season, but not Dean! He knows Dad is proud of Sam.)

And this scene in Salvation ends up with him going off with the decoy gun and giving up his shot at Azazel because he trusts his kids. He thinks they're competent! He respects them as partners on the job! And maybe he didn't always think this but after the events of the past year he's changed his mind. He's proud of them and he's proud of Dean, and he tells him in In My Time of Dying.

Is it 100% certain that John in the specific event of shooting-possessed-man-to-save-Sam would be proud of Dean? It's far from a sure thing, but we know Dean thinks his priority is always Sam's protection, as dictated by Dad. Why would Dad not be proud of him doing his job? Specially when he and Sam agree that there was no other way, it was Sam or the other guy? And when we know John is ready to shoot whoever comes through the door to kill Azazel, including the human victim?

Azazel's bit in the cabin should have worked. The reason it doesn't is because Dean doesn't believe Dad would say that. No matter how their dynamic ostensibly changes, it's too little, too late. Dean has already internalized a certain idea of where he stands in the family and what his dad believes about him --- that's the crux of the confrontation with his dream self in Dream a Little Dream of Me. Two years after John dies for him, Dean's innermost self believes that his father "didn't care if you live or die"!!! That's crazy! And I don't mean to say that Dean is delusional or exaggerates the trauma he experienced at his father's hands-- I'm saying that's how deep that shit runs. It's simply irrational and counter to the evidence. (And obviously even before we get to that point in S3, Dean articulates this same belief in S2 when he deals for Sam's life, believing his life would be meaningless otherwise).

The reason Azazel doesn't win that day is because Dean's daddy issues/ abysmal self-esteem win out, and that just makes me a little crazy! It's not that John wouldn't be proud of him, it's that Dean wouldn't believe him even if he said he were.

Yes, Dean knows his father intimately, and he knows him better than anyone, and still he doesn't know his father would die for him; he sees John sitting by his bedside in 2x1 and thinks that his dad is going to let him die. (No wonder Azazel mocks John with the sentimentalist line-- another thing he knows from being inside his head!). The profound failure to communicate on John's part here is staggering. After raising them single-handedly for twenty-two years, he has somehow left his kids, and his right-hand man/sonwife, with the impression that he would just let them die if it comes to it!!! It's so heartbreaking to watch their interactions and think about Dean's memories with that level of fucked-up-ness in mind--- because I can't help thinking that if Dean had spoken up earlier, as he was growing up, John would have listened. I don't think John deliberately raised Dean to be his dog; I think John's failure is not doing anything to cultivate Dean's personhood separate from himself, which is like, a parent's main job, and withholding the affection he does genuinely feel.

#I think I actually saw a little clip of pink? or drew barrymore? talking about this specifically- like deliberately asking their kids #to rebel against them bc they were too good #anyway-- tumblr deleted about half of this and I had to retype because I'm committed :|#john winchester

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20 questions for fic writers!

tagged by @monstersinthecosmos

1. how many works do you have on ao3?

seven on the account that i use now! but i have another account i used in high school that has a few on it as well.

2. what’s your total Ao3 word count?

49,591

3. what fandoms do you write for?

currently it’s just TVC!

4. what are your top five fics by kudos?

june bride, red with need, save a horse, you come in so hard, and gold rush!

5. do you respond to comments?

yes! when my brain lets me open up emails i love responding!

6. what is the fic you wrote with the angstiest ending?

you come in so hard isn’t finished yet but when it is. oh boy. apologies in advance.

7. what is the fic you wrote with the happiest ending?

what if i said gold rush. it’s a happy ending to ME.

8. do you get hate on fics?

no! not yet anyways. i was really nervous when i posted my first marimand fic bc i know the climate isn’t.. great. when it comes to that ship. but no i can’t say i have! which is good bc i’d probably cry lol.

9. do you write smut? if so, what kind?

i mostly write smut hshshs. mainly stuff like breeding kink and/or omegaverse. imagine coming from the fandom that invented the omegaverse to here. i was scandalized to say the least. so i became the omegaverse i wanted to see in the fandom 😌

10. do you write crossovers? what’s the craziest one you've written?

so full disclaimer i was deep in the superwholock trenches back in the day. so ofc i’ve written that. as for fics i’ve actually posted. well. the crucial thing to note is that back when hannibal was still airing it was very common to see crossovers between various characters played by mads and hugh. there was a popular ship referred to as “space dogs” which was a popular crossover ship. i wrote an omegaverse au of it (naturally) and i still, TO THIS DAY, get kudos on it.

11. have you ever had a fic stolen?

not to my knowledge!

12. have you ever had a fic translated?

the aforementioned space dogs omegaverse fic was actually translated into spanish years after it was published! it made me so emotional that someone cared enough to want it translated 🥹

13. have you ever co-written a fic before?

no! but @waffles-for-brunch and i keep talking about how we’re gonna write a destiel fic together someday. we had an amnesia fic plotted out and more recently a genderswap fic. i so graciously offered to write the lesbian sex for it.

14. what’s your favorite all time ship?

no ship will ever be destiel i’m sorry.

15. what’s a WIP you want to finish but doubt you ever will?

this one genuinely makes me so sad but i have a supernatural rewrite where mary never resurrects john thus sam and dean are never born and so ruby has to groom mary to be the lucifer vessel and it fucks SO hard. it’s so fucking cool. but i doubt it will ever be finished bc A) it needs to be So Long and B) literally nobody else would care for it except for me. but like. i put so much time and effort into plotting it out. and what’s written so far is So Good.

16. what are your writing strengths?

i think i write good smut! lol but also i’ve been told i have good little descriptors that pack a lot of punch? idk.

17. what are your writing weaknesses?

i don’t think i’m very good at pacing. you come in so hard is the longest fic i’ve ever written and it feels like such a mess hshshshs. also i NEVER feel confident in my dialogue.

18. thoughts on writing dialogue in another language?

/holds up google translate with tears in my eyes/ this is all i got

19. first fandom you wrote for?

i wrote twilight fic when i was just a wee lass, before i even knew what fanfic was. the first fandom i purposefully wrote fic for, after learning properly what it was, is supernatural femslash. to no one’s surprise.

20. favorite fic you’ve written?

i have an unpublished annamary fic that’s collecting dust in my drafts that is genuinely the best thing i’ve ever written. in my opinion. and i always think about posting the first chapter bc like, it deserves to be seen bc i think it’s really good. but i’m not planning on finishing it anytime soon so idk if i wanna drop it and dip. but like. you guys don’t understand how proud i am of it. ITS GOOD.

tagging: @waffles-for-brunch @fofoqueirah @cinnamonclove @aunteat @butchybats & whoever else hasn’t done it but wants to!

#kenz.text #ask game

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FIC RECS

i've never done a fic rec post before. think it's time i changed that.

below, in no particular order, are my favourite daddycest/johncentric fics:

John/Dean:

Colarado, what now? by egipci - 3000 words, Mature, tw: incest, non-con

I will never stop thinking about this fic, because it killed me, and I am writing this having resurrected myself from the dead. This is an ugly story (affectionate), with one of the most powerful explorations of Dean's devotion to John, and John's instability, that I've ever read. Can't recommend this one enough if you can manage the subject matter.

The Witching Hour by tenyearsgone - 5805 words, Explicit, tw: incest

I admire this writer greatly for being able to tell such a juicy story set over four years in so few words. The prose is also generally delicious. Explores what happens between John and Dean after Sam leaves. I'm sure you can use your imagination about what that is, but it's done so compellingly.

Won't You Tell 'Em I'm Mad by deandatsgay - 6775 words, Explicit, tw: underage, dub con, John being a creep

This is from Ellen's viewpoint re a teenage hooker!Dean soliciting punters at the Roadhouse, John's very blase reaction to it, and Dean trying the same thing on his dad. There's so much more to it than that though, it's really unsettling and creepy and good and the tone is the good kind of nasty. Ellen is also written so well.

As if we'd never met by thatotherperv - Words: 6685, Explicit, tw: references to child abuse, incest, underage (Dean is 17)

This fic takes the accidental incest trope and makes something beautiful out of it. Two hooker! Dean fics in a row haha - he gets picked up by John and ends up staying with him for a while. The dynamic is great and I love this kind of "outsider pov" on John, which it is, because Dean doesn't know they're related. I think about this story often.

Such Patient Beauty by Polly_Phemus - Words: 3248, Explicit, tw: incest, BDSM

So this isn't explicitly johndean, but shit is so beyond inappropriate/fine line and I hate how canonical this fic feels lmao. John finds a way to make some money, Dean does all the actual work. I feel like it's harder to say much more without spoilers but this is such a fucked up and fun read.

Isolation by cestlestialbeings - 1020 words, Explicit, tw: incest, depression

This fic holds a special place in my heart as it was the first johndean fic I ever read and it hooked me on the ship so hard. This fic is heartbreaking - Dean feeling lonely and unwanted and trying to replace John with strangers. It's a lovely piece of work.

What do we call what we have but love? by vintagedean - 23895 words - Explicit tw: covert and overt incest

This appears on every johndean rec list I think, and rightly so, because it's a work of art. The insidious covert incest in the first few chapters is so well structured and unsettling, and I love how unreliable a narrator Dean feels throughout the story. Also John is crafted in such an unstable way that feels so true to me, and I love that. It's also one of the few slightly longer johndean fics out there so there's more to love. Huzzah.

tell me your heart will never change by amiwritesthings - 5618 words, mature, tw: incest, angst

A story with established samdean and Sam's vp. This is a rollercoaster. Sam finds out about John and Dean after John's death and what ensues are some of the most heartbreaking lines and dialogue that I've ever seen in any fic. Its just beautifully done and the pacing is great and I have read this over and over again.

Learned Behaviors by artbabe - 1465 words, Explicit, tw: incest

This is such a unique take on johndean. It's difficult to say much more than that without giving spoilers but I don't think I've ever seen the dynamic written quite this way before and I'm in love. Just read it, you'll see what I mean.

Sam/John:

Favored Son by astrangerfate - Words: 1337, Mature, tw: incest, dub con

Creepy ass story. Dean essentially finding out why John treats Sam better than him.

The sound of dead leaves by unhappy_ghost - 2303 words, Mature, tw: implied abuse, covert incest

This is probably the only horror story on this list. Creepy, creepy shit. The tone of this fic is really unsettling from the outset and then it just kind of gets worse from there. John is a dark and predatory character here and there's some serious covert dead dove going on. Its brilliantly done though.

John/Sam/Dean:

John/girl!Dean:

Ami's Daddy's Little Girl series - amiwritesthings - Several parts, Explicit mostly (?all), tw: incest, dub con

WHY IS EVERYTHING SO MUCH CREEPIER WHEN DEAN IS FEMALE. Anyway this is a great series of John/Deanna plus Sam as well, they are all kinds of dysfunctional and toxic and straight up terrifying sometimes and the smut is A Lot. It's addictive!

Lullaby by egipci - 1500 words, explicit, tw: incest

This one speaks for itself. Beautiful prose and characterisations and John having sad boi hours, not being an asshole, but knowing he could be. This one is a headfuck (affectionate).

littledeer by vintagedean - 3465 words, Explicit, tw: incest

This series is unfinished but still definitely worth a read, the dynamics are that perfect johndean mix of absolutely fucked up and awful and really sweet. And there's added Sam which is always a bonus (for me anyway lol).

NB: I read a gorgeous, short john/girl!Dean fic a little while ago involving Dean going out to drink after Sam leaving and then coming back and coming onto John, or the other way around, I can't quite recall... I wanted to rec it here but I can't find it... if anyone knows the fic I'm talking about please let me know, I'd love to read it again!

Perhaps, Perhaps, Perhaps by Hope - Explicit, 3385 words, tw: incest

Basically Sam and Dean ganging up on John. John isn't mad about it.

State of Emergency by Perpetual Cookie - Explicit, 3612 words, tw: incest, underage

Unique situation and compelling writing. It's a PWP on the surface but its actually so much more than that... so many underlying dynamics and the kind of fic where its terrifying being in John's head. I feel like I can't say much more without giving stuff away.

#fic recs #johndean #samjohn #samjohndean #open to suggestions!

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the winchesters s01 e01 review

Hii! I just watched the pilot of The Winchesters and these are my initial thoughts. It’s not too spoilery, I don’t think, but if you want to go in completely blind you should be careful!

tl; dr: so far I like how they are handling the connection between the two shows. I enjoyed this episode a lot. If I had to give it a grade, and I’m being very conservative here because I anticipate future episodes being even better, I would go with a solid 7.5 out of 10.

story and intertextuality

So far I like how they are handling the connection between the two shows. Whatever the in-story explanation is for Dean narrating, so far he sounds like he’s directing addressing the audience and our concerns which might not be to everyone’s taste but I personally loved it, it feels respectful and thoughtful, like there’s a continuing dialogue between the show and its spectators, which I think is appropriate given the relationship Supernatural has with its fanbase.

Now for the story itself: I like the continuing theme of lost fathers, search for fathers etc. It sounds like they’re really going to set up the intergenerational trauma and the cycle of abuse/neglect that goes on with this family. I surprisingly love that Mary and her dad are just discovering the Men of Letters now because to me it feels like–monster hunting is so fraught with peril and trauma that there are big chunks of history that keep going missing, and even a hunting family like the Campbells doesn’t have the full picture.

They’re being very careful with how it all ties into main Supernatural canon via Dean–not saying anything yet but they explicitly reassure the audience more than once that this is going to lead somewhere in regards to Dean, the apparent retcons etc. for now, this is enough for me.

Something that jumped out at me, and I think I enjoyed it all the more because it was such a subtle call back I honestly can’t tell if it was even intentional, was Millie telling John to ‘come home’ in the end, which echoed the iconic Woman in White catchphrase in the Supernatural pilot: ‘you can never go home’, which in hindsight was a thesis statement of the whole show. The fact that they parallelled it in the Winchesters pilot? Makes me go absolutely feral.

the core characters

John

He looks like young Sam!

I do not love that he monologues his feelings all the time. Feels like a tell, don’t show. His best moment was probably when he dug the silver shard out of his arm (insane. Loved it.) and threw himself in front of the Rugarou to buy Mary time. Feels like a hint of the self-sacrificial, violent bastard we all love to hate. That one sequence also leaned into a Supernatural tried and true staple–pretty men covered in blood, which he wears well.

I like that they made him pathetic, although the ‘stop helping’ scene was a bit too much for my taste.

This is probably too much to hope for but I kinda wish they’d expand on his reasons for joining the Marines–specifically, his political worldview. Like, beside the fact that Vietnam was a horrific and traumatic experience for him obviously, what are his actual thoughts on the war?

Mary

At first she came across to me as a bit too cool, too aloof, too quippy, too ‘not like other girls’. Her dynamic with Carlos and Latika was really what made her come alive: I enjoyed seeing her being so mean to her friends and pushing everyone away and them pushing back. It’s kind of reminiscent of Dean that way, without being too on the nose. It also speaks to a deeper issue than just skin deep action-hero.

Latika

Before I watched the pilot I predicted that this show was going to owe a lot to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and it shows a lot in Latika, she’s clearly the Willow of this series: brainy, babbly, shy, scared but wanting to fight anyway. She wears it well though and her reluctance does balance out the other characters, and she is charming.

Carlos

I LOVE him. Yeah yeah basic bitch behavior, I know. He is a bit stereotypical, but I think his dynamic with Mary is especially good–he brings up that hidden side of her, the genuinely mean one, which is interesting to see. I’m also loving the rapport he’s building with John, both because they’re a classic odd couple–flamboyant Carlos and square-jawed, all American boi John? We love to see it. I am also very much hoping that he’ll try to hit on John at some point because that would be HILARIOUS.

the ship

I am on the fence about the fact that they’re obviously immediately captivated by each other. On one hand, I prefer slow burns and chemistry developing slowly and naturally; on the other, I get that this is the John/Mary show so the focus is on their relationship from the start and also, they’re both young and hot and have a connection, so I can see them acting like that from the very start. Also, it’s fun to watch Mary’s reluctance and her inevitable thawing to John’s relentless charm. Watching this I realized that we got very little John/Mary interaction in main Supernatural, comparatively, and that made it a bit difficult to reconcile Mary having fallen in love so strongly with John, known trash fire of a man. However, watching all this play out in The Winchesters, I get it. It’s like watching a car crash, you’re like girl, NO, but also yeah, I can see why you’re falling.

acting

Best one was John’s mom (Bianca Kajlich). I was instantly captivated. When he came home from the war it seemed like they were setting up for a banter-y reunion then she crumbled and RAN to hug him and there was real, raw emotion there.

I was extremely curious to watch Drake Rodger as John and I think that, while he was a little over-eager in some moments, he found his sea legs over the course of the episode. I feel like there’s potential there and I look forward to watching him grow into the character even more.

I don’t have any specific notes about the others, they’re all generally good enough so it doesn’t register that they’re acting, Nida Khurshid is very charming as Latika and Jojo Fleites is a screen-piercer.

aesthetics

Love ‘em! They went for a defining look, which is nice–based on the trailer, I thought it was gonna be a bit too sleek and polished but they leaned into a specific visual vibe which gives character to the show.

miscellaneous

Shout out to the opening sequence! It was a delightfully on-the-nose Indiana Jones homage. Something I love about original Supernatural is how unapologetic it is in its loving and referencing other pop culture staples (mainly through Dean). I like that they are keeping up this in The Winchesters, the writer and director were clearly having a lot of fun there, and I’m always going to enjoy honest fun.

closing thoughts

I enjoyed this episode a lot. If I had to give it a grade, and I’m being very conservative here because I anticipate future episodes being even better, I would go with a solid 7.5 out of 10. It was fun, it was interesting, it was clearly made with love and care and appreciation of the source material. My main issue with it is that it’s actually a little too careful: from John laying out all his issues in the text, to the way the final action sequence was shot trying to give each character space, to slot all the pieces together–that was a bit awkward to watch. While I greatly appreciate the thoughtfulness with which they’re handling this show, I think that eventually it’s gonna have to trust itself a bit more to really grow into its full potential.

#the winchesters #spnwin #the winchesters pilot #spn prequel #spnwin review

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The Mark & Hell, part 5

(Previous posts: Intro post; Dean & Hell, season 4; the Mark & Hell, part 1; Dean & Hell redux; the Mark & Hell, part 2; part 3; part 4.)

After Dean is cured of his demon-ness in 10x03, he manages to mostly hold the Mark at bay. However, at the end of 10x09, Dean is overtaken by the Mark and, after flashing back to previous kills and his time as a demon, doesn’t just kill Salinger and the three loan sharks attacking him, but also Randy, Claire’s shitty surrogate father. Although Randy manipulated and treated Claire very badly, it’s implied he wasn’t trying to hurt Dean at the time, and Claire is further traumatized by Dean killing him. There’s also a subtext of Dean’s killing as not just about Claire but also as a kind of served cold revenge for his own past experience with sexual violence, with Dean’s story about getting roofied at CBGB and then being rescued by John strongly paralleling Claire’s near rape by Salinger before being saved by Cas.

In 10x10, “The Hunter Games,” when Claire talks about Dean’s killing with the murder couple she befriends, she describes it as: “[Dean] didn’t even know [Randy]. Or the others. And he gutted them. And I saw him standing there, soaked in blood. Looking like he enjoyed it.”

Later on in the episode, Dean goes to torture Metatron for information, and we get this exchange:

[DEAN pulls out an angel blade, slams it on the table and goes to close the door.] METATRON Whatcha doing there, Slugger? [DEAN locks the door.] DEAN I’m settling a score that’s taken way too long to settle. Oh, and while I do that, I’m gonna get some information. [DEAN picks up the angel blade and walks up to METATRON.] And I’m gonna enjoy every minute of it. Because you’re gonna tell me everything. All of it. And it ain’t gonna cost me a damn dime. Slugger. … METATRON I repeat my offer. Each step costs you. DEAN You’re confused. See, each step you don’t give me – is gonna cost you. And it’s been a long time coming. I mean, where do I begin? Stealing Cas’s grace. Casting out the angels. Making Gadreel kill Kevin using my brother’s hands. Starting an angel war. And, oh yeah, you killed me. METATRON [scoffs] My morality is being judged by Dean Winchester? How many people have suffered and died because they believed in you? How many times have you lied to Sam, including, oh by the way, when he was possessed by an angel? And you say, ”Oh well, it’s all for the greater good.” But lately, buddy? That greater good thing just went away, didn’t it? Now, people die just because you want them to. [DEAN punches METATRON in the face. METATRON grunts, then chuckles.] Good, Dean. Go darker. [DEAN punches METATRON again. METATRON, bleeding at the mouth.] Go deeper! [DEAN punches METATRON four times.]

While Dean might justify his actions as being about getting info on how to remove the Mark, he’s also hurting Metatron because he can and because he wants to. And Dean wants to hurt Metatron just like Metatron hurt him, quite literally. If the dialogue isn’t enough to emphasize Dean’s vengeance, the ending choreography of Dean beating up Metatron directly mirrors how Metatron beat up and killed Dean back in 9x23, with Dean now in a position to return the favor:

CURTIS ARMSTRONG [who plays Metatron] What happens right here is kind of interesting, because what [Dean] is doing is a direct mirror of what [Metatron] did to him just before [he] killed him [note: back in 9x23]. Staring with the multiple slugs, and then grabbing the face, and the holding the face, and talking into-- and then taking out the knife. It’s an exact copy.

Dean’s beating also doesn’t lead to any real information, just Metatron blurting out a meaningless phrase that has no connection to the Mark at all, with Dean losing himself to his violence and Sam and Cas again having to intervene and pull him away so he doesn’t kill Metatron.

In 10x11, “There’s No Place Like Home,” Charlie acts as a narrative parallel for Dean and his troubles with the Mark. To win the war in Oz, she split herself into a Dark and Good sides, with her Dark self employing, and enjoying violence, killing and torture. For instance, in the cold open of this episode, the audience sees a man running in fear from dark!Charlie. As he cowers, she tells him “I know [you don’t know anything else I want to know]. I'm gonna torture you anyway. 'Cause who doesn't love a little torture?”

On the commentary track for 10x11, Felicia Day specifically comments that Dean liked hurting dark!Charlie, and that enjoyment as being connected to the Mark:

[note: After Dean has beaten up Dark!Charlie very badly but has stopped. He’s looking at his bloody hands while Sam takes care of her.] PHIL SGRICCIA [director of the episode] Look at [Dean]– look at him– FELICIA DAY [actor in the episode] Look at that sad– It’s your fault! ROBBIE THOMPSON [writer of the episode] You bad boy, you. SGRICCIA And again, the hand stuff. It’s not shaking. DAY Not shaking because he loved it.

After 10x11 Dean again manages to hold the Mark in check for a long time, although he is very happy after having killed six vampires alone at the beginning of 10x19, “The Werther Project,” describing it as “a personal best” as well as “the only way [he] can take the edge off” from the Mark.

However, things take a major turn when Charlie is killed at the end of 10x21, with Dean spiraling down into intense violence and leaving Sam and Cas to get his brutal revenge on the Styne family in 10x22.

Dean goes on to kill the whole family, whether they had a hand in Charlie’s death or not, including the teenager Cyrus. Although Cyrus hadn’t been involved in Charlie’s death and pleads with Dean that he’s not like the rest of his family, showing that he’s never taken body parts from his family’s victims, Dean still shoots him.

This murder runs counter to Dean’s usual moral compass. Looking at both Sam and Dean’s moral views codes would be an essay in and of itself, so to simplify, I’ll say I quite like this essay on Sam and Dean’s morals. Postmodernmulticoloredcloak broadly frames Sam as a consequential and Dean as a deontologist: Sam generally acts “based on the results of his actions,“ while Dean acts “based on whether he believes that those actions are inherently good or bad.” A great example is 3x12, “Jus in Bello,” and the question of killing Nancy to exorcise all the demons attacking the police station. Sam considers sacrificing Nancy; if her death can save everyone else, then it’s an acceptable, if brutal, act. But Dean refuses to sacrifice Nancy; he sees killing an innocent girl, even if it will save him and everyone else, as an innately immoral act.

As to how this plays out in hunting, Dean is generally OK with killing monsters or people who have already hurt or killed others, but not before then. For example, in 7x03 Dean kills Amy because she had already killed people, but spares her son, because he said he hadn’t hurt anyone. Although there’s some narrative weirdness and ambiguity around Cyrus – the audience directly sees Cyrus’s resistance towards his family’s evil and desire to escape from it, while Dean doesn’t – if he hadn’t been under the Mark’s influence, Dean would very likely have accepted Cyrus’s word and let him go instead of killing him.

In the last scene of 10x22, Dean then brutally attacks Cas when when Cas tries to stop him from leaving the Bunker. I read this fight as Dean taking his ‘revenge’ on Cas on a number of levels. Dean first hurts Cas and then goes to leave, Cas tells him to “stop,” and Dean then returns to beat him up a second time. Similarly to how Dean acted a demon, he doesn’t like Cas telling him what to do and reacts with violence. In these two fights, many of the ways Dean hurts Cas also directly mirror how Cas has previously hurt Dean. As laid out in this post by nottherealdean, Dean forces his way out of Cas’s hold like Cas had bound him in 10x03, breaks Cas’s wrist like Cas did to him in 8x17, and throws Cas against a pile of books like Cas threw him into the fence in 5x18. Now that Dean is stronger than Cas because of the Mark, he’s finally in the position to “deal out some pain [himself],” and he does so quite viciously.

In 10x23, “Brother’s Keeper,” the act that shows Dean has almost been completely overtaken by the Mark is when he goads a vampire holding Ruby hostage into killing him.

RUDY Dean-o, uh, this is Reggie. We're just gonna talk, all right? And -- and come to an understanding. REGGIE [pointing the knife at Dean] Back your ass out of the room, mister, and leave the blade. DEAN [Dean looks down at the machete] Yeah. No. Rudy, walk away. RUDY [panicking] No, D-- no, d-Dean-o, just do what he says, okay? DEAN He's not gonna kill you. You're his insurance, all right? Now man the hell up and walk away. REGGIE Oh, I will kill him, friend. You keep yappin', I will. DEAN Do it. RUDY Dean! REGGIE Back up. DEAN [slowly walking towards Reggie and Rudy] Do it. REGGIE D-don't test me. RUDY Dean, stop! DEAN You don't have the guts. [Reggie points the knife tip over Rudy’s chest. Rudy’s eyes are wide in fear. Dean makes as if to jump at Reggie.] DEAN HAH!!! [Reggie plunges the knife into Rudy’s chest. Crystal screams. Dean looks annoyed. As Rudy falls forward Dean moves in and cuts Reggie’s head off with the machete. Crystal continues to scream and cry.]

Dean is straight up in anti-hero territory in this scene. He makes no move to help Rudy out, to negotiate or trick Reggie the vampire into letting him go. There’s a paternalistic condescension not only in how he deals with Rudy, telling him to “man up and walk away,” but also with Reggie, in how Dean goads him by telling him to just “do it” and that he “doesn’t have the guts” to actually kill someone, before Dean’s final little leap towards them that leads to Reggie stabbing Rudy. He cuts through Crystal’s bonds and is annoyed when she’s not more grateful, instead being horrified at having seen Rudy’s (and the vampire’s) death. Dean also doesn’t check to see if Crystal is physically hurt or needs medical care, not to mention not staying with her to help her deal with the emotional trauma of being kidnapped by vampires and then ‘saved’ in a very violent and scary way. Instead, Dean leaves her entirely alone to deal with the aftermath.

Dean telling Reggie to “do it” and kill Rudy also echoes back to the beginning of the season with Cole, telling Dean to “do it” and kill him. While demon!Dean didn’t kill Cole in 10x02, Dean has no such hesitations in 10x23 and seems mostly annoyed by Rudy’s death, as if Rudy was at fault for not being able to get out of the vampire’s hold in the first place. (He does later feel guilty, tho, and summons Death to kill him so he can’t hurt anyone else.) There’s also that Dean’s “do it” contrasts with the many times we’ve seen this phrasing before, where it’s been said by a cornered person in the face of someone attacking them: Cole shouting it at demon!Dean who has him pinned, Dean saying it to Cas when he’s beaten him up, Dean saying it to Sam when he’s a gun trained on him. But in this situation, Dean saying “do it” doesn’t come from a position of vulnerability but from one of power. In Rudy’s death, Dean has most of the control and none of the concern, using his power not to save a friend but to push a vampire into killing him, because the most important thing was taking down the vamp, and if Rudy had to die for Dean to do it, then so be it. Going back to “saving people, hunting things” family motto, the saving people side has become just a background noise against the killing things part of the equation.

Now that I’ve (finally!) gotten through the Dean & Hell threads, I’m going to loop back around to talk about how Dean’s arc, his actions, and the power of the Mark can be further contextualized through the lens of Jonathan Shay’s Achilles in Vietnam.

Sources

“4.11 Family Remains (transcript).” Supernatural Wiki: A Supernatural Canon & Fanon Resource. 21 Nov 2012.

“10.10 The Hunter Games (transcript).” Supernatural Wiki: A Supernatural Canon & Fanon Resource. 22nd Apr 2019.

“10.11 There’s No Place Like Home (transcript).” Supernatural Wiki: A Supernatural Canon & Fanon Resource. 19th Jan 2021.

“10.19 The Werther Project (transcript).” Supernatural Wiki: A Supernatural Canon & Fanon Resource. 13 Jun 2016.

“10.23 Brother’s Keeper (transcript).” Supernatural Wiki: A Supernatural Canon & Fanon Resource. 25th Jan 2019.

nottherealdean. “Untitled” (Gifs comparing 10x03, 8x17, 5x18 to 10x23). Tumblr, 22nd Jun 2015.

moishecampbell. “Untitled” (Dabb’s writing in 10x22). Tumblr, 15th Jun 2022.

postmodernmulticoloredcloak. “Sam and Dean’s ethical codes.” Tumblr, 28th May 2015.

"The Hunter Games (Commentary Track).” Supernatural: The Complete Series, Season 10, episode written by Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming, episode commentary by Curtis Armstrong, John Badham, Brad Buckner, and Eugenie Ross-Leming, episode directed by John Badham, Warner Bros., 2021.

“There’s No Place Like Home (Commentary Track).” Supernatural: The Complete Series, Season 10, episode written by Robbie Thompson, episode commentary by Felicia Day, Phil Sgriccia, and Robbie Thompson, episode directed by Phil Sgriccia, Warner Bros., 2021.

#meta #meta personal #dean #dean & the mark #is dean acting like a bad guy in 10x23? yeah. is it fun to watch him go full anti-hero & goad a vamp into killing a dude? also yeah 🫢#and i can't forget his lady macbeth handwashing mirror of guilt moment. classic.

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🎬 and your last written OC

thank you for the ask!! the last oc that i wrote for is emma motley, so this is going to be a twisted supernatural mess. some spoilers for emma’s fic, but i’ll be sticking to the actual canon as closely as possible.

how they’d be introduced

in the first episode of season five, emma would bust in while meg and the demons had dean cornered and bobby possessed. she’d stop bobby from stabbing himself and instead exorcise the demon while dean and then a returned sam dealt with the other demons. once the commotion was over, bobby would thank emma for showing up so quickly after he called her. it would be revealed that she has a year left on her demon deal, and that she’ll tag along to john’s storage as backup. once there, zachariah would tell the winchesters that their sister won’t be needed for what’s coming. after castiel shows up and zachariah is gone, castiel is able to confirm that emma is john winchester’s daughter. despite the distrust and tension, it’s agreed that emma will help with the apocalypse because she doesn’t want the world to end and not because she suddenly has brothers.

who the fandom ships them with

michael. as the apocalypse winds down and before her deal comes due, emma says yes to michael to spare dean and sam. (because despite their rocky beginning, they do grow close over their year of getting to know each other.) michael and lucifer fight, and dean and sam open the hole into hell. emma takes control long enough to say goodbye to her brothers and then grabs lucifer to pull him into hell along with herself and michael. emma isn’t seen again until season fifteen, when her and michael are finally released from the cage. by that point, they’ve grown close and trust each other completely.

why the fandom loves them

emma’s only around for season five and isn’t seen again until season fifteen, but she is a fan favorite. she has a personality that’s similar to dean’s while having no problems with being emotional, and she can be equally fun and heartbreaking. it also helps that she isn’t shipped with any of the male leads.

why the fandom hates them

she tries too hard to be a female version of dean. she’s proof that john and mary didn’t have a perfect marriage like fans were led to believe. shoehorning in another sibling detracts from the sam and dean dynamic.

what the cast relationship would be like

zoey would absolutely love jensen, jared, and misha. would most likely refer to them as her boys. she would adore rob and richard, despite never sharing the screen with them, and would go all out for the singing parts of the cons. zoey and mark pellegrino would be the closest of the cast, and she would really look up to him and enjoy just spending time with him.

what was their audition scene

zoey’s audition scene would come from closer to the end of season five. after saying yes to michael, she would have to play two roles while the two of them had a conversation. basically, acting by herself and portraying two vastly different characters. very dialogue heavy and emotional on emma’s side.

dependent on the fandom, who they’d be on a press tour/at comic con with

zoey would occasionally be paired with jensen and jared, but she would usually be with mark pellegrino to play up the “michael vs lucifer” story.

if they spoil things

zoey is a locked box, especially after her descent into the cage at the end of season five. mostly because she has no idea what’s going to happen next and had no idea that she would ever return.

if the show/movie has ended, are they happy with their character’s ending and the ending at large

zoey, as both emma and michael, was able to appear several times throughout the last season. after emma is resurrected by jack and realizes that michael is truly gone, she leaves a note for sam and dean at the bunker explaining that she’s going to be on her own for a while. the last shot of emma is her driving away from the bunker. zoey doesn’t like her ending, that emma abandons her brothers after everything and that michael never got a chance to experience freedom. she also doesn’t like the overall ending. she always believed sam and dean would go out together, and don’t get her started on castiel’s death.

#asks i have answered #anon #supernatural #oc: emma motley #this was interesting to think about #but i prefer my version where everything is au after season five #thanks again for the ask!!

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Episode 34 Transcript: Okie dokie!

[intro guitar music]

G: Hello, my name is Grey.

C: And my name is Crystal.

G: And this is Busty Asian Beauties, a Supernatural commentary podcast where I, someone who has seen this show several times…

C: And I, someone who only knows the show through social media, discuss every single episode of Supernatural from start to finish. Also, we are both Asian.

G: Both Asian. So for today's episode, we will be discussing Season 1- 2. Episode... 12. “Nightshifter.” Yeah. I almost forgot. But this one is written by Ben Edlund and directed by [laughs] Mr. Phil Sgriccia himself.

C: Yeah.

G: So, familiar names, yeah. I mean-

C: Yeah, I know we're supposed to like Ben Edlund, but, I mean, I haven't enjoyed his work in season 2 so far.

G: I think I enjoyed this one because of the nostalgia, like, it ends on a really good note, in a note that I really remember, so, like, watching it again, it's like, "Oh my god, it's Supernatural, oh my god!" [C laughs] So like, I did enjoy that. I think I've told you this in a recording before, but I cut it out of the podcast so I'm just gonna say it again.

C: Yeah.

G: I said back then that Ben Edlund is kinda weird about women. [laughs]

C: Yeah, yeah.

G: Like, even in his other episodes, even his future episodes, there are moments where I'm like [discontented sounds] about women, yeah.

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah. Apparently, I'm allergic to the word misogynistic, but- [both laugh]

C: Okay, does he have a thing for women dying in lacy nightdresses. Like, is that something that he's into?

G: The thing is, I'm not sure if that's like, you know, like, his writing or the choice of the costume department.

C: Right, right. They have their hookers and nuns costume department sections. [laughs]

G: Yeah.

C: Yeah.

G: [laughs] Go, Ben. Ben, you are beloved by the Tumblrinas, but you have not been showing us your good side recently.

C: Uh-huh, yeah.

G: Okay, so, Crystal, before going in. What did- did you know anything about this episode?

C: I did not know anything about this episode, but I could guess from the title that it was a shapeshifter episode.

G: Yeah, that's true. While watching, did you go, "Oh, I recognize this"?

C: No, the-

G: I mean, I'm for sure, 'cause Henriksen is there.

C: Yeah, okay, the first moment I recognized was when Sam and Dean show their badges to-

G: Yeah!

C: Don or whatever his name is, yeah, and they slap them against the glass, 'cause I feel like that's in a lot of AMVs. And then, I mean, I recognized Henriksen, but I don't think I've seen any of the scenes that he's in in this episode, besides screenshots of the times when he asks if John was a white supremacist. [laughs]

G: Yeah, so true of him.

C: Soo true of him.

G: You didn't know about the music cue at the end.

C: I did not.

G: That's an iconic Supernatural scene. Like, when I was younger, like, when I first got into the fandom, like, that was the scene that I would rewatch over and over again on YouTube. [C laughs] For real. I liked it so much. So, like, seeing it again - I kind of forgot it was gonna happen in this episode, but seeing it again was like, super fun, I had so much fun. [laughing] This is actually like- I remember one time, I told my friend that I was listening to “Renegade” by Styx, and she was like, “Okay, why don't we watch it together," like, on Messenger, the watch together feature, and like, if you look up “Renegade” by Styx on Facebook, all that shows up are Supernatural fanvideos [C laughs], so to listen to the song, we like, just watched a Supernatural fan video, which is truly the Supernatural fan experience.

C: Yeah, yeah. It's weird listening to songs I know from AMVs and not hearing the dialogue bits.

G: No, exactly.

C: Like, what do you mean, that wasn't in the song? [G laughs]

G: Yeah, so, okay, let's start the actual episode.

G: We have the "Road So Far," which is a combination of like, Dean fucking up with the law, you know, like, from "Skin" and "The Usual Suspects." And then, it's cut abruptly by a like, a news forecasting. So like, you know, they're playing around with the format of the show.

C: Yeah, they're having fun.

G: They're having fun, yeah, which is fun to watch. Anyway, like, this is just your typical, like, "there's a hostage situation and we're watching how it's going down." And just as the report is about to end, something happens, which is a hostage is let out of the building. And as the camera zooms in on the door, we see that the hostage taker... is Dean Winchester. Ooh!

C: Yep. That's him.

G: Yep.

C: I think my only note during this scene, like, my only bullet point, was "Where's Sam?" [both laugh]

G: Yeah, literally. This entire episode is also very Dean-centric, isn't it?

C: They literally locked Sam up in a bank vault [both laughing] so he couldn't be part of the episode.

G: Noo, you're right, you're absolutely right.

C: So, we go to one day ago. We're in Milwaukee, and Sam and Dean are in a jewelry store, interviewing some people about a potential case. And this scene cuts between Sam being an actual regular person asking questions, and Dean chatting up this woman, who, I mean, to be fair, is chatting him up right back.

G: Yeah. Like I said, no misogyny points for flirting. He's just flirting! Yeah.

C: He's just flirting, yeah. So this woman is like, all leaning in, being like, "So what's it like, being an FBI guy?" And [G laughs] Dean's trying to pull off the dark and brooding thing, like, "It's so dangerous-"

G: It does not fit him at all.

C: "We have to keep secrets. But mostly... it's lonely." Like, Jesus. He's so annoying. He's so annoying.

G: [laughs] He's so fucking annoying.

C: He's so annoying, I can't stand him.

G: Like, we've talked before about whether this would work on us or whatever the fuck [C laughing]. I think if a guy told me that he was like, "Oh, the secrets that I have to keep, like, I'm so lonely," [C laughing] I'll be like, "Okay, whatever. I don't need that in my life."

C: Yeah, yeah. And she replies to that, “I so know what you mean,” which I think is Bedlund just being a tad misogynistic and trying to make her out as like, vapid or something. But I choose to believe that she's also a secret agent.

G: Every woman in this episode is made out to be vapid, like, that's just what is going on.

C: Yeah.

G: And yeah, it frustrates me, honestly, Mr. Ben Edlund.

C: It's really annoying.

G: Yeah! Like-

C: He's writing them like they're a completely different species.

G: No, exactly. And it sucks. Like, yeah, like, I don't know.

C: [laughs] Yeah.

G: Sometimes I do wonder, like, because I've consumed Supernatural so much, and I've consumed it at like, a such a significant portion of my life, sometimes I wonder, like, did Supernatural affect how I view like, certain things, right?

C: Right.

G: Like, sometimes I'm like, "Do I think that women are vapid because of Supernatural?" And like, obviously, I don't think women are vapid, but like, you know, there is that kind of like, fear, I guess, like, “Oh, no, what if I absorbed the things that Supernatural is peddling like, unconsciously, and I'm unconsciously exhibiting them?”

C: Right.

G: Yeah.

C: Yeah, no, I get that. I've definitely felt myself become desensitized to misogyny within Supernatural during the course of this podcast, but I don't know if that translates to me being desensitized to like, real-world misogyny, so I guess we'll see.

G: [laughs] I guess we'll see! Is Supernatural making us worse people? We'll find out in six years. [both laughing]

C: So while this is happening, Sam is talking to the jewelry store manager, and we find out that the situation is that an employee here who was very trusted, like, one day just showed up, robbed the whole place, and then got caught by a security guard. And she took his gun and killed him while he was on the phone with the manager. And then, we find out from Franny, the woman that Dean's flirting with, that after the theft, this woman went back home and killed herself. And apparently, that really gets them in the mood [laughs], 'cause [G laughing] Dean's like, “Thanks, I think that's all I need,” and she's like, “Really? ‘Cause I've got more, if you wanted to interview me sometime. In private.” And Dean's like, “Yeah, sure.”

G: I mean, something we have learned about the current true crime craze is that women be listening to true crime and enjoying it, so maybe this woman is a true crime enthusiast.

C: Yeah. Yeah, probably so. And Sam finds out that the police took all the security camera footage, and yeah, Sam and Dean head out with Dean having Franny's number in toll.

G: Yeah, and he never calls her. And I know it's like, a bad situation they've gotten themselves in, like, 24 hours later.

C: Yeah, no, they're fucked.

G: But give her a call, Dean. [laughs] I think she'll be fine if she found out that you were a wanted criminal of the United States.

C: I think she might be into it.

G: Yeah! Like, to see how she reacted here, like, she might be into it. [C laughs]

So Sam and Dean hop out of the car in front of this house, and, you know, they're talking about how like, Dean’s like, “Fuck the cops,” and Sam is like, “They're just doing their job,” and Dean says, "They're just doing our job, but worse.” So, you know.

C: Yeah. So Sam’s a bootlicker, and Dean licks his own boot, which is not that much better.

G: Yeah, it's like- later on, they have this conversation about how Sam is so good at playing cop, you know, and it's like, "Oh, okay. Sure."

C: Yeah.

G: I think this episode is best enjoyed- like, talking about it in a podcast is to the detriment of the episode, you know what I mean?

C: [laughs] Yeah.

G: Like, this is the type of episode that you watch and you're just like, mindless, and you're like, “I'm not even gonna think about any of the implications or anything that's going on," like, "I'm just gonna watch it, and when somebody shoots someone, I'm like, 'Hell yeah! Guns!' [C laughs] or whatever the fuck how people watch Supernatural." Like, this is that kind of episode.

C: [laughing] You are the intended audience.

G: But alas, we are talking about it in a podcast, so. Yeah, anyway, Sam and Dean walk towards the house, and Sam is doing exposition, which is all he's here for in this entire episode. Which is that, like, this Milwaukee National Trust Bank was robbed like, a month ago and it's the same M.O. as the jewelry store. So they're gonna talk to the security guard that was on duty at the time. So they knock on the door, and, like, I think they establish here that like, the guy is, quote, "pretty weird," you know.

C: Yeah.

G: Like, the lights is like, “Oh, this guy's like, paranoid in some way,” I think that's what it's trying to say. And like, the guy walks- like, there's bright lights suddenly, and the guy walks in, and he asks for ID- which, like, it's fascinating how they use the like, ask for ID thing.

C: Uh-huh.

G: Like, it can either be like, "She's a cool girl, and she like, knows her way around," or like, "He's a fucking paranoid-ass man," you know?

C: Yeah.

G: It's like, "Oh, okay, sure."

C: Right. It's weird. But I mean, I feel like- because they establish him as unattractive, I think, is sort of what they're doing here. They've like, very much cast like, the typical like, conspiracy theorist-looking person here. Like, he's fat, and he has long hair, and that makes him like, unlikable for some reason.

G: Anyway, like, he asks- like you said earlier, he asks for ID, and Sam and Dean slam [C laughs] their ID at the window/door/whatever the fuck it is. And Sam's ID says, "Han Solo." [both laugh] Fucking losers! They're making fun of this man for being a fucking, I don't know. I don't know. What are they making fun of this man for? Like, he's like, a nerd, I guess.

C: Yeah.

G: But your ID literally says "Han Solo," Sam, so. [laughing] What's the worst crime? Being a conspiracy theorist, or being a Star Wars fan? [both laughing] Yeah, I didn't read what Dean's said, though.

C: Uh... I feel like I looked this up once.

G: It's in cursive, and, as you know, [laughing] Gen-Zers do not know how to read cursive, so.

Trivia and references. Okay! Oh, "Dean's FBI ID name names him as either Jack Bauer from 24 or Jack Ryan, who is a fictional character created by novelist Tom Clancy." None of these people I know, so.

C: Yeah.

G: So this exercise was futile. [both laugh] Anyway, they go in, they like, talk this man up that like, "Oh, we want to hear your side, even though we already heard it from the police," etc, etc. Anyway, as they come in, we start to see the room, which is full of your typical, like, conspiracy theorist idea of like, papers on the wall, red lines passing through every single one of them type of scenario.

C: Uh-huh. And that's also supposed to cast him in a bad light, but it looks the same as all of the like, boards, that, like John and Dean and Sam had up.

G: - John, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it's slowly revealed that like, this, Ronald guy actually let in Juan, which is the guy who shot the place up, I think. Is that what happened? But anyway, he let Juan in, and then a little bit later on, he figured out that that's not Juan, it's like, someone wearing Juan's face, and he says, "It's like, a mandroid.” [C laughs] And yeah, this guy's like, really convinced. And the thing that convinced him is that he has a copy of the tapes of like, the security tapes, and in one of the tapes, it's seen that the guy - like, Juan, the one who entered the building - has like, "laser eyes," as he puts it. So like, just like the eyes that we saw on Dean back in... "Shifter"?

C: "Skin."

G: "Skin," yeah, back in "Skin." Anyway, this all happens, and he's very excited, when Sam stands up and says, "Okay, I want you to listen very carefully, because I'm about to tell you the God's honest truth about all of this." And Dean is like, kind of like, smiling. And then, Sam goes, "There's no such thing as mandroids. There's nothing evil or inhumane going on out there. Just people. Nothing else. You understand?" And like, Dean looks visibly uncomfortable. He's like, “Oh, this is like, kind of fucked up. Like, we're just straight up lying to this guy.”

C: Yeah.

G: And, you know, Ronald looks heartbroken. He's like, “What about the laser eyes?” And Sam’s like, “It's just a camera flare.” And Ronald asks them to get the fuck out of his house. And Sam was like, “One more thing,” and then they cut to the motel room. Okay, let's talk about this scene. [laughing] What an asshole.

C: Yeah, he is an asshole.

G: He is so terrible.

C: Okay, you did skip over the fact that Ronald said, like, "If the law won't hunt this thing down, I'll do it myself," though, like, that's the main thing that prompted Sam to lie to him. However, I think a better way to do it would just be like, "We believe you, but you like, can't hunt this down yourself. Like, we are stronger, and we'll do it, and we'll call you after we're done," you know?

G: Yeah, like, I think, just being honest is like-

C: Yeah.

G: 'Cause like, what are they trying to do here? What they're trying to do is to make the guy and not go out and do something stupid, like shoot up a bank.

C: [laughing] Yes.

G: That's what they're trying to do. But like, there is a more visible- there's a clearer path between "I tell the guy he's insane" and then "he shoots up a bank."

C: Uh-huh, yeah.

G: There's like, a clearer line through that versus "I tell the guy the truth, that he is actually correct, aside from a few details, and I tell him to give this to us and stay safe, and he doesn't shoot up a bank." Like, those are- that is a clear path. And it's like, it's just, and also the way he is, he's just so- like, he did this, and I was like, "Oh, I hate you. I hate you."

C: Yeah.

G: "You are a terrible person."

C: Yeah, no, he, as Dean puts it later, is very good at being a Fed.

G: Yeah, unfortunate.

C: Do you- I mean, Supernatural never tries to connect episode to episode [G laughs], but do you think- well, because, like, last episode, Sam was like, so dead set on saving people and keeping them out of dangerous situations, so, like, did he really think this was the best way to do it?

G: I don't even remember what the fuck the last episode was. "Playthings," right?

C: "Playthings," yeah.

G: Yeah, okay.

C: Well, he had the line specifically like, "Even now, everyone around me dies." Like, maybe he thinks that like, by completely cutting off, like, any potential friendship with Ronald, he's keeping him safe by making him hate him? But also, he just seems like a fucking asshole.

G: I do not think that's the intention at all.

C: Yeah.

G: I don't think that crossed Ben Edlund's mind at all while writing this scene.

C: I don't think it crossed Ben Edlund's mind either. [laughs]

G: Yeah, so, alas.

C: He just doesn't like Sam.

C: So Sam and Dean are back to the motel room, and Dean's like, telling Sam, like, "You were kind of a dick back there. You like, were so mean to him, and it's a little creepy how good of a Fed you are." He says, like, "We should have at least thrown him a bone, because he did a really good job tracking down this thing." 'Cause, you know, he guessed that this person like, recharges underground, he guessed that they were like, in the center of where these two locations were and might be hitting another bank, etc. So- but Sam just like, goes judgmentally, “Mandroid?” Ugh, come on, Sam. Yeah. Dean says that "this guy isn't so different from you or me, and people think we're crazy." And Sam says, "He's not a hunter. He just stumbled on to this, and if he was to actually try to go after this thing, he would super much die, so we should keep him in the dark so he stays alive." Egh, bad logic, my dude. So yeah, they know that it's a shapeshifter. Dean comments that he hates the things because one turned into him and framed him for murder.

Does a shapeshifter ever turn into Sam in Supernatural?

G: No idea. I don't think so.

C: Yeah, I don't think so either. Which isn't fair. Like, I think we should have that, but maybe- is it- is it 'cause Jared Padalecki is a bad actor?

G: [laughs] Honestly- I'll be honest, okay? I think Jared Padalecki's alright at acting.

C: Yeah.

G: Like, yeah, when he was Gadreel, I really liked that. It was like, incredibly believable for me.

C: Yeah, the way he held himself was quite good. I could definitely see that as a different guy. That's true. Okay, so it's just 'cause the writers don't-

G: [laughing] At least he wasn't putting on like, German- Germanic accent. [C screams]

C: Don't! Apocalypse World Cas is not a real guy to me.

G: He literally shows up in one episode and has showed up in every single one of my nightmares. [both laughing] So yeah, I love that. Go, Misha Collins.

C: Oh, god. What a man.

Yeah, so Sam and Dean look at the sewer layout, and they see the one more bank that is accessible from that sewer. So that is where the shifter is gonna hit next.

G: Okay, so Sam and Dean show up [laughs] in their little uniforms [C laughs], and they are in the bank, and they're being shown around, and they end up in this like, security footage room where they just sit down and watch security footage. And like, at some point, like, Sam talks to the guard that guided them inside, and the guard is like, "okie-dokie!" and heads out, and Dean says, "I like the guy. He says 'okie-dokie.'" [C laughing] And then, Sam says, "What if he's the shifter?" And Dean, like, immediately, straight-faced, goes, "Well, then we follow him home and put a silver bullet through his chestbone." [both laugh] And it's- this is truly the Supernatural experience, you know?

C: Yeah, what a man.

G: Yeah. I think Dean would like me because I also do say "okie-dokie." [C laughs] [laughing] That's like, my entire input for this scene. [both laughing] "I also say okie-dokie, Dean! Why don't you- why don't you say you like me?"

So they sit down, they watch the screens. And at some point, Dean like [C sighs], zooms in on a woman's ass, because, you know, he's like that [G laughs].

C: Yeah.

G: I was watching, I was like, "Ugh, okay. Cool!"

C: Yeah.

G: Like, the thing in Supernatural is just like, "How much shit are you willing to swallow," right? [both laughing]

C: [laughing] That's what Dean says every night when there's a woman in his room.

G: [laughing] Noo! "Hey, lady, so, not to not to surprise you or anything, but how much shit are you willing to swallow?" [C laughs] Yeah, exactly.

No, but like, the thing, like you said, like, because you can't watch Supernatural and be like, "Oh, no this is misogynistic" at every turn. Well, we do do that.

C: I do do that. [laughs]

G: I don't think that's like, the ideal way to watch Supernatural for peak enjoyment, right?

C: Mm.

G: So, like, I don't know. It's just- this- whatever. Who cares. This is not even his worst crime, so [laughs].

C: Yeah.

G: What do you think is Dean's worst crime so far? I think it's still the one where-

C: Yeah.

G: - he posed as a- what's that? A [overlapping] reality TV show recruitment guy.

C: Yeah. We did give him- what? 20?

G: 10. 10 points.

C: Yeah, 10 points for that.

G: Yeah. Are you going to give him a point for this one?

C: Yeah, I'd like to.

G: Okay. How much is he now?

C: Okay, Dean... we haven't given Dean a point for a while.

G: Wow. Record-breaking.

C: Yeah, so, okay, this is only his eighth point of the season.

G: Oh! He's falling behind. [laughs]

C: Yeah.

G: [laughing] You've got a lot of catching up to do, Dean. [both laugh] Yeah. Anyway, they, like, look around some more, and they see some guy turn around, and his eyes light up. So they got him. And then, as we look around the cameras some more, Dean notices that the entrance is being locked up by none other than Ronald. And he's carrying a gun. He's carrying some stuff. And yeah. He, like, shoots up the ceiling and then goes like, “This is not a robbery! Everyone stay on the floor!” And yeah. We go to commercial.

C: Yeah. What a guy!

Right, so everyone's freaking out, obviously, and he's yelling, telling everyone to get on the floor in the middle. Sam and Dean start heading towards him, and Dean says that he should do the talking 'cause Ronald does not like Sam.

G: For good reason.

C: Yeah, mm-hm.

G: I mean, not to defend a guy who's shooting up a place, but [laughs], he does not like Sam for a good reason.

C: Uh-huh. So Ronald has chained up the only exit, so he's locked everyone in the bank, effectively. And Sam and Dean come into his field of vision. He freaks out a bit, has them get down. And he's asking them who they are and who they're working for, if they're working for the mandroid, and Sam says, "We're not working for the mandroid!" And he's like, on his knees, and his hands are out sort of pleadingly, and he looks soo Biblical. Like, thank you, Sam.

G: [laughing] What? Wha- I cannot assign Sam Biblical status this episode because he's annoying as fuc, to me.

C: Oh, yeah, no, I don't know, I just like Sam and religious imagery, even if he's annoying in other contexts.

G: That's true. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, love to be Catholic. [both laugh]

C: Ronald's like, "Shut up; I'm not talking to you; I don't like you." Which is also Ben Edlund talking to Sam this episode, I think.

G: Yeah.

C: And, yeah, Ronald gets someone to check Sam and Dean for weapons, and Dean has a knife. Dean says about this, "I'm not just gonna walk in here naked!" K.

G: [laughs] Okay, Dean.

C: Yeah, so Dean starts trying to calm Ronald down. So he's saying that he believes him and that's why they're here, and he has Ronald come closer so he can talk to him. And he tells Ronald, like, "It's the bank manager. We saw his eyes, and we have to find him before he changes into someone else." I mean, I think he's also kind of being a dick here by not explaining fully here, right? Like, he's just like, sort of setting Ronald loose on the shifter without giving him, like, the correct information.

G: Yeah, like, this shifter is not gonna die with whatever bullets this guy's gun has, right?

C: Yeah.

G: Like, it's just not gonna happen. Like, you need a silver something to the heart.

C: Yeah.

So Dean starts getting up, and he says that Ron should take him with as a hostage, and they should go together to track down the bank manager. And he says again, like, "Man, I believe you. You're not crazy." And Ron agrees, but he decides that everyone else has to go in the vault.

G: Yeah.

C: Yeah, also there are cops outside.

G: Yeah, at this point like, the cops start arriving. So yeah. So in the vault room, they all go in, except for Dean and Ronald. And Dean like, locks up the door and like, you know, he's playing the like, reluctant sidekick or whatever. And [laughs] like- Ugh!

C: Yeah.

G: Like [C groans], there's a woman inside who's chatting Sam up, and the situation is like, she's like, "Who is that guy? Like, he is so brave..." And it's like, you are in a hostage situation.

C: Yeah! You should be screaming, crying, and throwing up.

G: Yeah! And it's like- I don't know, It's just frustrating that this is how like, the two women that we see a lot of in this episode are portrayed.

C: Yeah.

G: Like, a woman who is really into Dean and like, is flirting with him in the middle of a serious murder investigation, and also, a woman who is literally in the middle of a hostage situation-

C: Yup.

G: - going, "Oh my god, Dean is so handsome."

C: I know, oh god. And also.

G: [laughing] Do you think Ben Edlund has a crush on Dean? What is going on, Ben?

C: You know- you know, okay, yeah, I can see it. I can see it.

G: [laughing] Is this like, triangulation of desire or whatever the fuck the Tumblrinas are talking about?

C: Right, because I feel like if he was just being misogynistic, like, he'd like, have like, a woman for Dean and a woman for Sam, you know?

G: Yeah, that's true.

C: That would be his thing. Like, he's being misogynistic, and he, like, kind of wants to fuck Dean Winchester.

G: Yeah. Diagnosed deanfucker69. [C laughs]

C: Yeah.

G: This is so bad! [laughs] Like- is this bad? What are we doing, Crystal?

C: I don't know. This is a real guy. I don't know, is Ben Edlund-

G: Ben Edlund, if you're listening- if you're listening, we are sorry for calling you deanfucker69 [C laughing]; by "we," I mean "I," and yeah, we- I am sorry. [C laughs]

C: Yeah, oh, god. And also the way that- both of these women are like, directed to like, talk in a specific way too, right?

G: Yeah, like-

C: You know, the like, vapid, like, not valley girl necessarily, but you know, like, a voice.

G: I think she has like, a little Southern twang, which I did like. Yeah. I love a Southern twang.

C: Yeah.

G: [laughs] This is unrelated, but like, I was talking to a friend the other day - it was a British - and she like- I asked her like, "Can you do a Southern like, US American accent?" And she did it, and she said, like, "The way that you do a Southern accent is you pretend you're about to cry." [both laughing] 'Cause like, Southern people like, their voices shake, and it's like they're crying. So every single time I hear like, a Southern twanged accent, I'm like, "This person is about to cry."

C: Yeah.

G: I respect that.

C: Yeah, okay, yeah, because she's in a hostage situation, so I get it.

G: Yeah, she's in a hostage situation. Yeah.

C: And honestly, I get it, really. Like, I too, if I was in a terrifying situation, I would sexualize the nearest man in order to feel better [G laughing], but I don't think that's what Ben Edlund's doing.

G: Yeah, like, both of us will be sitting in a hostage situation, and we're like, [C laughing] "OMG, like, this random guy who's sitting beside us kind of looks like Sam Winchester! [C laughing harder] Like, he's got the hair, he's 6'7, you know, love that."

C: [laughs] And does his own laundry.

G: Yeah.

C: So they literally locked Sam up in a vault so he couldn't be part of the plot.

G: [laughs] Yeah.

C: And, you know, I really thought the shifter was gonna be someone in the vault so like, we would cut back to Sam, and it'd be like, a locked room murder mystery situation. But like, that's not it at all. They don't utilize the vault really at all-

G: At all.

C: - as a setting. So we have Ron and Dean looking around the bank manager's office, and Ron trips over a pile of clothes and shed-off skin. So yeah, this guy has changed out of the bank manager's form.

G: Too bad.

C: Yeah. And at this point Dean, finally clarifies that this isn't a mandroid, it's a shapeshifter. He says that shapeshifters are "human, more or less," and that they have human drives - in this case, it's money. Which I think is like, an interesting bit of shapeshifter lore, right?

G: Yeah, yeah.

C: Because, like, they're sort of saying here that they're just driven by one specific human instinct? Is that the implication? 'Cause we don't see that with Mia.

G: No, I think what's being said here is like, he has like, human desires. Like, he has a human brain and logic, and he's not just, you know, like an animal that's like, going after food.

C: Yeah, okay, yeah, I see that. I wonder what this shapeshifter wanted to do with all of the money.

G: Yeah, I know.

C: Like, were they planning a vacation? Like, do they just want to sit on it like a dragon?

G: Love that. [C laughs] Love some dragon lore in Supernatural. [both lauging] Which we do get.

C: Oh my god.

G: But it's literally just some guy. [C laughs] Which, you know. It's Supernatural.

C: I do think the Fandom Wiki picture for dragons in Supernatural is the funniest thing I've ever seen.

G: Yeah! Literally the most-

C: Just the word "dragon" over a photo of a guy. [laughs]

G: Yeah, it's just some guy. [C laughing] Literally the most some guy to ever exist, and then the word "dragons" underneath. Love that.

C: Uh-huh.

G: Yeah, I think it's interesting that they're doubling down on the like, "it's human," right?

C: Mm-hmm.

G: And then, like, it's just like, how do- like, are shapeshifters born from other shapeshifters?

C: I think so, right? Like, Bobby John was born from shapeshifter parents.

G: No, yeah, you're right. Because, like, I was wondering, because they do the Lamarckian evolution [both laugh] thing in "Skin."

C: Yeah, right, right.

G: Yeah, so like, I think... I don't know. It's just- the lore is a bit fuzzy right now, I guess.

C: Yeah. They probably just change it up.

G: Oh, also. Is this the first time that they repeat like, a monster?

C: I mean, besides spirits?

G: Yeah, yeah. No, I think they repeated vampires, right?

C: Uh... y-

G: With Gordon.

C: Yeah, yeah, you're right.

G: "Dead Man's Blood" and the Gordon episode.

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah, but like, this is- we don't usually get like, a repeat, you know? Like, we don't usually get like, "Oh, we already did this before, and this is what they were like before, and that's what they're like now." I think the vampire one is interesting because, like, it's like a new side of vampires, right?

C: Yeah.

G: And this one, like, we barely see the shifter, and like, the shifter doesn't matter.

C: Yeah. Welp.

G: It could literally be anything else, yeah.

C: It could.

So Ronald's like, pretty into Dean's explanation, like, he's quite excited about the whole situation. He thinks that the shifter might kill someone and take their place, but Dean shoots his dreams that his theories are right down by saying that it doesn't really matter. And Dean finds a silver letter opener on the desk and explains to Ron that silver's the only thing that can hurt a shifter. And they start heading out, and Ron, like, looks- like, he follows Dean out, and then he, like, looks back into the room, and he grins. And I was like, "Oh, is he the shifter?" but no.

G: Yeah, there's like, a lot of moments in this episode where you go like, a person is like, "Ooh, is this the shifter?" But, like, [laughs] it never happens. It literally never happens.

C: I did think as soon as Sherry spoke to Sam the first time that she was the shifter, 'cause I was like, "There's no other reason that we would spend this much time on such a useless scene unless it was to like, set up this character, as, you know, the shifter later," but no, she wasn't even the shifter then. Boo.

G: Yeah, I mean, it was a setup, but like, it's a different setup.

C: But not in the same way, yeah. So her lines to Sam were still completely useless.

G: Yeah.

So like, we go to like, a van that's like, full of police officers, and they're talking, and they're like, "Cut the power to like, lure the guys out." You know. Usual police stuff. But like, inside the bank, Ronald and Dean are like, just looking around still, and Ronald is still like, very giddy, and Dean's like, "Why are you doing that?" And he's like, "Nah, I'm not nuts," you know? "I am right except for the mandroids thing," and he's like- he's just excited that he's not crazy. And then the power cuts off, and this complicates things because they can't look at the cameras to find the shifter now.

C: Yeah, I was really surprised that at no point in the episode do they just decide to silver knife test everybody.

G: Yeah.

C: Like, that's very much a standard in later Supernatural, at least.

G: Yeah, that's true. Like, you just do a little prick of silver.

C: Yeah.

G: What will happen, even, if someone- like, if someone is a shifter, and then they get sliced a little bit with silver? I mean if they go, "Ah!" like, I mean, that's just a normal reaction [both laugh], I feel like.

C: Yeah. I don't know, maybe their skin starts like, peeling off in a slimy shifter way?

G: Yeah, I mean, and then they'll be like, "It's just an allergic reaction, bro, don't even consider it."

C: [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, I don't actually know. Like, would it just straight up kill them? I feel like I read a fic where like, if a werewolf just gets a little bit silvered, then they just die. But that doesn't seem right.

G: That is absolutely not true. That is not true at all.

C: Yeah.

G: Wow.

C: I really don't know what the silver knife test is, but, I mean, apparently, it works.

G: Yeah, they do it so much. And they never find a shifter with it, so maybe it doesn't work? [C laughs] Who knows?

C: Yeah, who knows? It could have worked today, but they just didn't try.

G: Yeah, anyway, they continue walking, and like, Dean is like, "You really fucked up this one, Ronald." And like, they hear a noise, etc, etc. And back in the vault, the girl, Sherry, is still talking Sam up, and she's like- This is so wild to me.

C: Yeah.

G: Because, like, Sam- Sam is right there. [both laughing] Sam is literally right there, and she's like, "Dean- like, your brother- has he always been that brave? Like, facing the guy head-on... he's a real hero." And it's like- I don't fucking know. There are like- like, every single extra in this room is attractive.

C: [laughing] Yeah.

G: So like, I mean- ugh. Who- Whatever.

C: Right, like, if you need to cope, there are options that are right here.

G: [laughs] Yeah, exactly. Anyway, the door opens, Dean comes in and she's like, "Oh, you came to save us!" but Dean's like, "No, no, no, I just found more people." And he's holding a gun now. So that's scary, and Sherry like, looks him up and is like, "Oh, why is he holding a gun?" And this is the moment where you're like, "Oh my god, is this the shifter?" But it's not. Yeah.

Dean calls up Sam to like, talk to him. So they go out, and Dean says that "Oh, it's not the bank teller anymore. Like, it's shed its skin." And Sam’s like, “How the fuck are we gonna do this? How the fuck are we gonna go out? You’re wanted by the police. We’re not gonna be able to get out of here.” Anyway, like, Dean like, basically says, like, "I'm gonna look for the shifter. You stay with Ronald." And he says, like, "Help him manage the situation." And Sam like, latches onto that and is like, "Help him manage? What are you talking about?" And the whole time, like, Ronald is like, at earshot, so he's hearing everything. And, you know, Sam and Dean exchange about how this is like, a terrible situation that they're in, and, like, the only option is the insane option. All that. And so [laughing] Dean leaves, and Sam just goes, “Hi, Ronald.” [C laugh] Which is- I did scream out loud when that happened because I thought it was fucking hilarious.

C: [laughs] Yeah.

C: Back in the vault, the security guard that Dean has ushered in starts having a heart attack, basically. And Sam decides to like, leave the door open to let in some fresh air [G laughs], but no one's allowed to leave. Yeah. What a medic. [both laugh]

G: This is why he wasn't a pre-med, you know? [C laughs]

C: Yeah. And Sherry's confused about why he's helping Ron, but Sam says, "You wouldn't believe me if I told you." The phone starts ringing, and Ron picks up. And it's the cops asking what his demands are and why he's doing this. And Ron the whole time is like, "Huh? What do you mean? No, I'm not a bank robber. I'm kind of a crime fighter, I guess." And [laughs] Sam's telling him to just hang up. And the heart attack keeps happening. And Sam goes, like, "Great. Could be our guy, could be a trick." And [laughing] someone just says, "So you're just going to let him die?" And Sam’s like, “Uh, nah,” and he picks up the phone and basically asks the police to send in a paramedic but like, not to rescue anyone.

G: At this point in the episode until Henriksen showed up, like, everything is a blur [laughing]. You know what I mean?

C: Yeah, no, I was having a boring, boring time, and then, like, Henriksen showed up, and I like, perked up a little.

G: Yeah. Anyway, let's speedrun through the rest of this episode.

G: So, like, Dean is looking around, right? He finds that a guy from the vault is dead, so that guy is the guy who is trying to get the guard out.

C: Yeah.

G: Very convenient the guard had a heart attack. Anyway, like, they figure this out, and, like, Sam is like, "Oh-" man [laughing], I don't even know what the fuck happened this episode. No. Sam and Dean figure out that that's the guy, so they like, send the guard out. So Sam is like, tasked to send the guard out, and then like, Dean is tasked to talk to the guy, and the guy comes out, and he knocks Dean out, and then he runs through the bank. And Ron runs after him. But Ron ends up standing in front of the light, i.e. the window, so he gets shot.

C: Yeah.

G: RIP, Ron.

C: And it's this whole, like, slow-mo thing-

G: Yeah!

C: - where everything goes silent, and Sam shouting, like, "Nooo!" and then Ron gets shot, he falls over-

G: Like,"Ron, get down!" like, he's shouting that. And it's like, this is the first time that slow motion has been used well in Supernatural [C laughs], and it's for this fucking scene. Come on, guys. Like, why-

C: Right, like, I don't know why Ron gets the special treatment.

G: Ron gets the good slo-mo. Sam having his "Dead in the Water" moment - fuck that. You know what I mean? [both laugh]

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah.

C: But this rando guy who was mostly played for comic relief dying and then having no relevance to the plot afterwards gets like, this entire moment dedicated to him.

G: Yeah.

C: Yeah. Well, RIP Ron.

G: They bother so much with like, RIP-ing this guy, right?

C: [laughing] Yeah.

G: Like, Dean has a moment where he's like, "You did well, Ron." Like, "Sorry that you had to die." It's like, my god. [laughs]

C: [laughs] Yeah.

G: I don't know. Like-

C: After how callous they were about deaths in like, "Croatoan," and in-

G: Yeah.

C: - I don't know, so many other episodes, this is just so weird that Ronald gets to be commemorated so hard.

G: Yeah. Remember that time that like, Dean saw a dead woman in the house, and went, "Ugh" [C laughs], and then just started picking things up and like, holding her arm up?

C: [laughs] Yeah.

G: Yeah, and then with Ron, it's like, "I'm sorry, Ron." Like, "You were my best friend, but I just let you go." [both laughing]

C: Ugh.

G: God. By the way, I have that entire prayer memorized.

C: Of course you do.

G: [laughs] Like, something is dearly wrong. I have watched it so- I didn't do it intentionally. Like, it just happened. So yeah.

C: Dean's getting the guard out so that he can get medical care, and he's also being a hostage guy, and he lets him out, and one of the cops notices him and that he's taken over the situation-

G: [laughing] Wait. I just had a thought-

C: What?

G: - that Ron in this scene had more like, like, [laughing] they mourned him more than they mourned Cas, like, after Cas died in the Empty. [C laughing]

C: [laughing] They literally do. [both laughing]

G: My god! Literally dies, like, "Sorry man. You did well." And like, Cas dies, and they're like, "Let's eat pie, bro." [C laughs]

C: Yeah, so, inside, Sam finds that the shifter has shed their skin again. Apparently, this person can shift way faster than the St. Louis one because, like, they couldn't pay the props and makeup team to do a whole sequence again, I guess. And, yeah, what even- Oh, and then the cops notice that the Feds are here. And then! [G screams] Who steps in but Victor Henriksen?! Hiii. Hello.

G: He literally is a cop. [both laughing] Like- [laughing]

C: Yeah...

G: But it's okay because he's hot. [both laughing] Literally- literally that post that's like, "I think if Jody met me, she'd be pulling for another kind of strap." [laughing] Like, literally! [both laughing] That's what's happening.

C: Yeah, so it's Henriksen... and, he is a cop, and we don't have to like him [G laughs], but he is a very fun character. And he's hot.

G: No, for real, yeah.

C: Yeah, 'cause, yeah, like, he shows up, and this cop is like, "Let me guess, like, you're in charge now, but you'd love my full cooperation," and Henriksen says, “I don't give a rat's ass what you do. You can go get a donut and bang your wife, for all I care.” [laughing] And that's just such a good establishing line. Like, it's just so fun.

G: The thing is like, Henriksen and Dean would like each other, right? And they do.

C: And they do

G: Like, eventually. And like, it's very reasonable.

C: Yes. After they know each other biblically. [laughs]

G: Yeah [laughs]. After they know each other carnally, they like each other, yeah. And like, it's reasonable.

C: Uh-huh.

G: Which I think is something that I've said about another character before. If you're listening to this, and you're like, "You said it about this character!" please message us [C laughs], because I've completely forgotten.

C: Yeah, but I think my main thought during this line was like, Supernatural tries to keep it really PG, and Henriksen has done a really good job with the limits of what he has, you know?

G: Yeah.

C: Like, this sounds like, just as bad as if there were like, F-bombs in it. And what I really- I really want to hear what Henriksen would sound like if he was in Succession. [G laughs] Like, he would be allowed to say so much, and it would be so fun.

G: I think if like, Henriksen was in Succession, he would not say "You can bang your wife." He would say "you can fuck your mom" or something, you know?

C: [laughing] Yeah. Uh-huh. And there'd probably be like, more details and stuff too.

G: Yeah, that's true.

C: So, yeah. And he says that they need the SWAT team locked and loaded. And he says, "This isn't a regular heist. You have no idea what you're dealing with. There's a monster in that bank." And ugh, I think it's so mean to the first time watchers of Supernatural live for them to think that, like, Henriksen is like, a hunter and also in the FBI, because that is probably a cool character to the intended audience of Supernatural. But no, he just meant Dean.

G: What?

C: What? Oh, no, because, no, sorry. He says, "There's a monster in that bank," and I feel like some people would think that he, like, actually knows about shapeshifters-

G: Oh, okay.

C: - and is a hunter and an FBI guy at the same time, which is like, kind of a cool character for like, people who are watching Supernatural during season 2's airing, right?

G: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he does become that eventually; it's just he dies. [laughing]

C: Sorry, Henriksen.

G: Yeah, sorry, Henriksen. It was-

C: When he dies, does he get as much fanfare as Ron?

G: [laughing] Ron? I have no idea. I hope so. I hope they look at Henriksen, and Dean- I feel like every single person that dies, like, around Dean, he just goes, like, "You're my best friend, but I just let you go." [C laughing] I think that's like, just his default line, right?

C: [laughing] Yeah.

G: So, in the vault room, Dean ushers in like, Sherry and everyone else that like, got out, right? And at some point, like, Sherry says, like, "I thought you were one of the good guys." And Dean does the whole, like, "I'm gonna humanize myself."

C: Ugh.

G: "What's your name" And she's like, "You don't care what my name is." But he's like, "My name's Dean" [C laughs], and she says, like, "I'm Sherry," and then he, like, tries to reaffirm that like, she's gonna be alright, everything's gonna be alright. Anyway, the phone rings. Dean picks up, and it's Henriksen.

C: Yeah.

G: And Dean is like, "Yeah, no, I'm not negotiating, so..." And Henriksen says, "Good. Me neither. It's my job to bring you in. Alive's a bonus, but not necessary." And Dean's like, "Well, that's kind of harsh." And Henriksen goes, "Well, you're not the typical suspect, are you, Dean?" [C laughs] And then it zooms in on Dean's face. And I was like, "Who directed this episode?" [both laughing] But, alas, it is Phil Sgriccia, so we have been spared.

Henriksen does the whole deal where it's like, "Get the fuck out of there. Bring Sam with you." And Dean is quite surprised that like, he knows about Sam. And at some point he says, like, "How do you know we're here?" [both laughing] And then Henriksen says, "Go screw yourself, that's how I know." Which I love.

C: Yeah.

G: Go Henriksen, yeah.

C: He's so fun.

G: He is a fun character, yeah. And he says that it's been his job to know about Dean, so he knows about what happened in St. Louis, he knows about what happened in Baltimore and he knows about like, the desecration of the graves, and the theft, and etc. And he says, "I know about your dad." And Dean defensively says, "You don't know crap about my dad.” And Henriksen, like, says, "Ex-marine, raised his kids on the road, blah blah blah. Real paramilitary survivalist type. I just can't get a handle on what type of wacko he was: white supremacist-"

C: So true.

G: "Timmy McVeigh, tomato/tomahto." So true. [laughs]

C: So true.

G: So true. Love that. Anyway, like, Dean is extra defensive now. He's like, "My dad was a hero." [both laugh] My god. Like, I think if you talk to anyone and they're like, sitting there, like, "My dad was a hero," like, no matter who this person is or what their relationship with their dad is, you're like, "Well, calm down, buddy." Like, you know, "Calm down. Calm down, buddy."

C: Yeah, and I feel like you have a good relationship with your dad, you say, like, "My dad's a pretty cool guy." Like, you don't valorize your dad-

G: Yeah.

C: - if he treats you like an equal.

G: Yeah, you say, like, "My dad was a good dad" or something.

C: Yeah.

G: Like, "My dad is a hero," that's- [C laughs] Yeah, no.

Henriksen like, hangs up on Dean, and Dean is in distress. Sorry, Dean. [laughs] He just lost his best friend- [both laughing] Literally, at this point, I think Ron is his best friend. Like, he has absolutely no one his life, and so losing a person he has talked to for like- and had a bonding moment with for like, 30 minutes is very significant.

C: [laughing] Yeah, probably so.

And Henriksen says that SWAT team is gonna come in in five minutes, and the cop says, like, "They've let out a hostage, and they haven't hurt anyone so far. And also, we're gonna risk the lives of all those people." And Henriksen just says, "Dean's a greater risk to them than we are." Ugh. Well, at least you're still a fun guy, Henriksen, [laughing] even if you're okay with so much civilian collateral.

Sam is looking around for more shifter info, and he opens a closet, and Sherry falls out with her throat slit. And she's like, not wearing anything except for like, like, this lacy, like- I don't even know what it is. Like, it kinda looks like a nightdress. And I mean, honestly, okay, first, who wears this under their work clothes?

G: Yeah.

C: Second, I guess this is better than the alternative? Because if the shifter takes all of her clothes, then they probably had the chance to just have her fall out in a bra and panties, so at least they didn't do that?

G: [laughs] Yeah.

C: But geez.

G: Yeah.

C: So Dean comes back in, and Sam explains the sitch, and Dean says, like, "Hey, Sherry, we're gonna let you go." And she doesn't want to. And Dean insists, threateningly, and then she goes out with them. And they like, take her to the hallway where the other Sherry is, and she starts freaking out, like, screaming, crying, throwing up, etc. And they think that she's acting, but she just full on faints.

G: [laughs] Yeah.

C: Yeah. Good for her. And then they- so like, Sam and Dean are quite confused, and Dean's about to just like, stab unconscious Sherry.

G: [laughing] Yeah! He just sits over her and goes, "Huh? Eugh." And it's like- and then Sam’s like, “No, stop that." Like, "What's the motive?" So.

C: Right, yeah. So Dean's like, "Okay, fine," and then he, like, goes over to the other body and then, it opens his eyes! And, okay, that was kind of fun, actually. I did enjoy that. Yeah, so the shifter was just playing dead, and yeah, they like, try to strangle Dean, and Dean's fighting. [laughing] Sherry wakes up and starts screaming and crying and throwing up again. [G laughs] Like, so true.

G: Have you ever fainted?

C: No.

G: Oh, I was just wondering like, how does she wake back up suddenly? Like, how does this work?

C: Probably just the sounds of the fight, right?

G: Yeah, but when you faint, it's like, a different thing than just sleeping.

C: Oh, I guess. But I'm sure there's still- like, smelling salts, for example, are used to get people to wake up from fainting.

G: Yeah.

C: So I think any strong sensory input would still be enough.

G: That's true, yeah.

C: Yeah. So, yeah, and the SWAT team- oh, right, the shifter escapes, and the SWAT team shows up. Dean hides from them, and they guide Sherry out when they find her. And then they see Sam and corner him.

G: And Dean is walking around, still looking for the shifter, and the shifter shows up. And they have like, a little battle, they have a little fight. And Dean eventually stabs her in the chest. This is like, not fun. [laughs]

C: Yeah.

G: I mean like, it's not a good fight scene. Like, when I was watching it, I was like, "Well, this is kind of boring, isn't it?" Like, they don't utilize the space, they don't do anything fun; it's just like, a straight up like, "I hit you, you hit me, I corner you, bam!" Yeah.

C: Yeah. Also, the vibes are just really weird because of how underdressed she is and how he has her backed against the wall, and also, she dies like, cupping his cheek, which is fucking weird. Like she should-

G: What? Is that true?

C: Yeah! [G laughs] Like, she has her like, hand on his cheek, like, I don't even know how it got there.

G: Love that.

C: The vibes are just off. Ben Edlund needs to examine some things about-

G: I think this one is on Phil. This one is on Phil, yeah. Phil is the director.

C: Okay. Phil also needs to examine some things, I suppose. [G laughs]

G: Yeah.

G: As Dean is kneeling in front of her dead body, the cops show up. Well, kind of, right? Like, a guy shows up. And then Dean looks up and it's like, "Oh, he's dead." But he's not dead, as we learn later on, because-

C: Do we even know how he gets out of this situation?

G: Well, I'm assuming-

C: He just attacks the guy and takes the uniform, right?

G: I think it's Sam. I don't know.

C: Oh, it's Sam? It's Sam already?

G: I don't know. Like, maybe, right? Because Sam is already in uniform.

C: Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

G: So Sam shows up, and it's like, yeah.

Anyway, like, Henriksen and all the cops are like, walking around, and they're looking- they're like, finding the bodies one by one. And like, an officer comes up to Henriksen and is like, "Oh, I don't think they're here anymore, like, we tore up the place and they're not here." And Henriksen is like, "No, look for them! They've got to be here." And the officer is like, "I don't think that's necessary." Henriksen says, "Why not?" And they enter a room, like, a little like, janitor's closet, and they find two bodies that are rid of their clothes. And then we get the best music cue-!

C: Okay, wait, sorry.

G: Okay, go on.

C: Before we get into that very fun scene, I do have to say, like, Henriksen must be having A Day. Because he already suspects that John Winchester is a white supremacist, and then he walks in, and the first dead body that he finds is a Black man? Like, sorry, dude. [laughs] Yeah.

G: Yeah. Sorry, Henriksen.

Anyway, like, the best music cue in Supernatural begins, and it's “Renegade” by the Styx. And if you're not familiar with the song, like, the intro of the song is very like, vocals only, and it's like, a little bit of drums, so yeah. So, like, we get like, these two guys walking, right? And they're walking towards the Impala. And then the music keeps on playing, they sit down, the music keeps on playing, and then the music pauses. And then Dean says, "We’re so screwed." And then like, the drums start! And it's like, a whole thing. I love this song so much, so like, I don't know, like, just hearing it in Supernatural is is so much fun. And then like, a little [singsong] "Ahhhh! The jig is up-" And it's like, hell yeah, bro. Yeah.

C: Yeah.

G: Sorry, that was just me being incredibly happy. I was like- I watched it, and I was like, "This is worth every single thing that happens in this episode." [C laughs] Like, this episode is so boring and then Henriksen showed up, and it's still, like, kind of boring, and then we get this music cue, and everything is alright. [C laughs]

C: Yeah, it's fun.

G: They drive away, and the episode ends. Whoo! They don't do music cues like this anymore in Supernatural. By anywhere, I mean in future seasons.

C: Yeah.

G: I think the last time we have like, a music cue that's akin to this is-

C: "Goodbye Stranger"?

G: The one- the "it's never too late to start all over again." [singing] "And help people living-"

C: What episode is that?

G: The one before "Tombstone."

C: Oh, "Advanced Thanatology."

G: Yeah, when Cas shows up and the song plays, and it's like, "it's never too late to start all over again," and it's Cas, and he's there, and he's alive! Oh my god! [C laughs] Ugh.

C: Yeah. I miss him.

G: I miss Supernatural. I miss Cas, I miss Superna- it's weird to miss Supernatural when you're watching it, you know? You're like, you're watching it, and you're like, "I miss this." And it's like, "It's literally right in front of you." But I do miss it.

C: Yeah.

G: Anyway, Crystal.

C: Mm-hm.

G: What's up, what did you think about this episode?

C: It was kind of boring. Like, they tried to make this like, an interesting episode by making it very action-packed and sort of like, going into the action movie genre in the way they shot it and set up the plot, but it was still boring.

G: Yeah. Do you think it's boring because of the location?

C: Yeah, I think they didn't utilize the vault very well.

G: No, because "Croatoan" was also set in one location, and it was not boring.

C: Well, also, Sam and Dean don't really have any, like, character thesis moments in this episode.

G: Oh, yeah, that's true. Like, this is so devoid of like, overarching plot, aside from the fact that Henriksen shows up.

Yeah. I think, for me, I have the same opinion. Like, it's kind of boring, like, while I was watching it, I was like, "Eh." And then, like I said, Henriksen shows up, and it's like, "Ooh!" Anyway. Yeah. Best Line/Worst Line.

C: Ugh, I didn't even think about that.

G: I literally did not think about it.

C: Are there good lines in this episode?

G: Absolutely nothing. I think I liked- I liked Henriksen calling John white supremacist, like, just for funsies, you know. [laughs]

C: Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think- especially because in "Hunted," like, I don't know, Raelle Tucker tries so hard to establish that someone being like, an extreme hunter as like, a eugenics thing, but she pins this on Gordon. So like, I'm glad that, as little as this is, John is getting a little bit of the heat for that as well.

G: Yeah.

C: Honestly, the only line I can think of that I enjoyed was, [laughing] “I like him. He says ‘Okie-dokie.’”

G: Literally, he says "okie-dokie.”

For me, my worst line probably is... man, I don't fucking know. Can we give honorary line status to Dean zooming in on that woman's ass?

C: [laughing] Yeah.

G: Okay. When it's an honorary line.

C: Yeah, okay I'm gonna go with Sherry being like, "Who is that man? He is soo brave."

G: Oh my god. [C laughs] I forgot about that. You're right. Like, the entire Sherry situation is like, my god.

C: Yeah.

G: And I get that they're trying to do a thing where like, she trusts Dean, but I think you can do that without like, being-

C: Yeah.

G: Like, you can- it could be entirely the same conversation with a different tone, right? Like, if she was sitting there like, [serious] "He's so brave. Like, I'm glad someone's out there vouching for us."

C: Yeah.

G: But like, instead, she's sitting there like, [valley girl] "He's so brave. Like, I'm glad someone is out there looking out-"

C: [laughs] Yeah.

G: Like, you know, it's the tone that really sets it.

C: Yeah.

G: Anyway. IMDB rating.

C: Huh.

G: This one would be interesting, I feel like.

C: I feel like people would be so hyped about the music cue that they just rate it high, even if they were bored the rest of the time.

G: Yeah. Can I- can I do mine first, because you always go first?

C: Yeah.

G: 8.4.

C: Okay. I was gonna go higher, I think. I was probably gonna go 8.5. Alright, let's-

G: Holy shit!

C: What?

G: You wanna guess again? You wanna guess again? I mean, this doesn't count in our final guesses, but guess again.

C: Okay, yeah. May- [sighs] I'm gonna go higher?

G: Yeah.

C: 8.7?

G: It's an 8.9.

C: What the fuckity?

G: I think people just really like the music.

C: I mean, it was a good scene, I suppose.

G: The thing is like, what we did was, we watched the episode, and then we discussed it, right? But I think if you just watch the episode, and then you like, hear the music cue, you're like, "Everything is retroactively better," you know? [laughs] Like, "everything prior to this scene has become significantly better in my mind because of this final scene."

C: Yeah.

G: So I get it.

C: Yeah.

G: [laughs] This one says, "So, finally, Sam is on the FBI database."

C: Oh, yeah! Good for Sam!

G: Yeah! He's not a little good boy anymore.

C: Mm-hm. Hey! They called Victor Henriksen "nasty and arrogant." He's not nasty and arrogant! He's a fun little guy!

G: I mean- I don't know how you can look at Henriksen and be like, "He's a-" I mean, are they saying this positively?

C: Um, I mean, they say he's a good add to the show-

G: Oh, that's true.

C: But like, yeah, so- but like, I still feel like those aren't correct descriptors. He's just a fun little guy having a fun little time!

G: This one- "a must-see of the season. Well, you must see all of them, but... oh, nevermind." [both laughing]

C: What?

G: Literally it says, and I quote, "A must-see of the season!" Happy face. "Well, you MUST see all of them, but... oh, never mind." [C laughing]

C: Wait, okay, someone just asked at the end if anyone knows the name of the song, and then they put their entire email down for people to tell them if they know the name of the song.

G: [laughing] We should email them from BABPod.

C: Also their- their email is a US army military email, though.

G: Oh, noo! Yeah, have you heard that like, Supernatural is apparently really famous with like, the military?

C: Yeah, it was like, the most requested show for troops stationed in Afghanistan, which, like, makes perfect sense to me, but is- does not reflect well.

G: [laughs] Yeah.

C: Yeah. Yeah, someone said that Sam was too cruel to Ronald and that he was "so different from the understanding, cute Sammy we knew." So true. [laughs]

G: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think that's it, yeah? Do you have any more pressing insights on this episode?

C: Mm, not really.

G: Nothing. [laughs]

C: Is the title a reference to anything? 'Cause like, they never say the word "nightshifter," and the fact that this is happening at night doesn't really matter.

G: Wait, let's see. "Nightshifter." The Nightshifter. No, that's from 2018. All of these are incredibly new. I don't think it's a reference to anything.

C: Okay. They just came up with a word. Cool.

G: What's that one, that's like, Nightcrawler? The Jake Gyllenhaal one?

C: Yeah, something like that.

G: Yeah, I think they reference it later on with like, Metatron, who becomes a nightcrawler.

C: Oh. [laughing] IMDB names the guard- like, his role, it's Stephen E. Miller as "Okey Dokey Guard." [G laughs]

G: That is adorable. That is so fucking adorable.

C: Yeah.

G: Anyway, that's it for this episode of Busty Asian Beauties. Next week, we will be discussing Season 2, Episode 13! "Houses of the Holy."

C: Hell yeah, baby.

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