As usual I read your tags always and so you said Apollo did not ask for resurrection of Asclepius and Hyacinthus so i just wanted to share this. About Asclepius death I read it on theoi.com, that earlier authors don't make him resurrect as a god but that's a later development mentioned only by Roman authors like Cicero, Hyginus and Ovid. But still Apollo has a role in Ovid's version
Ovid, Fasti 6. 735 ff (trans.Boyle) (Roman poetry C1st B.C. to C1st A.D.) : Clymenus [Haides] and Clotho resent the threads of life respun and death's royal rights diminished. Jove [Zeus] feared the precedent and aimed his thunderbolt at the man who employed excessive art. Phoebus [Apollon], you whined. He is a god; smile at your father, who, for your sake, undoes his prohibitions [i.e. when he obtains immortality for Asklepios].
So here it is actually because of Apollo the decision was taken to resurrect him as god. And with Hyacinthus, I don't think I've read about Artemis playing the primary role. I know in Sparta there was a picture of Artemis, Athena and Aphrodite carrying Hyacinthus and his sister to heaven.
This is not on theoi.com but I saw on Tumblr it's from Dionysiaca by Nonnus
Second, my lord Oiagros wove a winding lay, as the father of Orpheus who has the Muse his boon companion. Only a couple of verses he sang, a ditty of Phoibos, clearspoken in few words after some Amyclaian style: Apollo brought to life again his longhaired Hyacinthos: Staphylos will be made to live for aye by Dionysos.
So since he is singing inspired by amyclean stories it probably means in that place it was believed Apollo was the one to bring back his lover to life.
Apollo as god of order was very important so i think it shows how special these people (and admetus too) were to him that he decided to go against the order for them 🥺
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I'll preface my response with this: Hyacinthus is by far the hardest of these to get accounts for because his revival itself, as you very astutely point out, is generally accounted for in painting/ritual format which muddies the waters on who interceded for what. I wasn't actually familiar with that passage from the Argonautica - and certainly didn't remember it so thank you very much for bringing it to my attention!
That said, what I've come to understand, both about Hyacinthus and about Asclepius is that in the accounts of their deaths, Apollo's position is startlingly clear.
For Hyacinthus, it is established time and again that Apollo would have sacrificed everything for him - his status, his power, his very own immortality and divinity. Ovid writes that Apollo would have installed him as a god if only he had the time:
(Ovid. Metamorphoses. Book X. trans. Johnston)
Many other writers too speak of how Apollo abandoned his lyre and his seat at Delphi to spend his days with Hyacinthus, but they also all agree that when it came to his death - he was powerless. Ovid gives that graphic account of Apollo's desperation as he tries all his healing arts to save him to no avail:
(Ovid, Metamorphoses Book X. Apollo me boy, methinks him dead. trans Johnston)
Bion, in one of his fragments, writes that Apollo was "dumb" upon seeing Hyacinthus' agony:
(Bion, The Bucolic Poets. Fragment XI. trans Edmonds)
Even Nonnus in the Dionysiaca speaks constantly of Apollo's helplessness in the face of Hyacinthus' fate where he writes that the god still shivers if a westward wind blows upon an iris:
and when Zephyros breathed through the flowery garden, Apollo turned a quick eye upon his young darling, his yearning never satisfied; if he saw the plant beaten by the breezes, he remembered the quoit, and trembled for fear the wind, so jealous once about the boy, might hate him even in a leaf...
(Nonnus, Dionysiaca, Book 3. trans Rouse)
And the point here is just that - Apollo, at least as far as I've read, cannot avert someone's death. He simply can't. Once they're already dead - once Fate has cut their string - all Apollo's power is gone and he can do nothing no matter how much he wants to. And this is, as far as I know, supported with the accounts of Asclepius as well!
Since you specifically brought up Ovid's account, I'll also stick only to Ovid's account but in Metamorphoses when we get Ovid's version of Coronis' demise, he writes that Apollo intensely and immediately regrets slaughtering Coronis. He regrets it so intensely that he, like he does with Hyacinthus, does his best to resuscitate her:
(Ovid, Metamorphoses Book Two. Apollo's regret)
And like Hyacinthus, when it becomes clear that what has happened cannot be undone, Apollo wails:
(Ovid, Metamorphoses Book Two. Apollo wept.)
Unlike his mother, Asclepius in her womb had not yet died and so, with the last of Apollo's strength, he does manage, at least, to save him.
(Ovid, Metamorphoses Book Two. Apollo puts the 'tearing out' in Asclepius.)
But it goes further than even that because Ocyrhoe, Chiron's daughter, a prophetess who unduly gained the ability to directly proclaim the secrets of the Fates, upon seeing the baby Asclepius, immediately prophesies his glory, his inevitable death and then his fated ascension:
(Ovid. Metamorphoses, Book Two. Ocyrhoe's prophecy. trans Johnston)
Before she too succumbs to her hubris and is transformed by the Fates into a horse so she can no longer speak secrets that aren't hers to share.
These things ultimately are important because it establishes two very important things: 1) Apollo can't do anything in the face of the ultimate Fate of mortals, which is, of course, death and 2) even when Apollo is Actively Devastated, regretful, yearning, mournful, guilty or some unholy combination of all of the above, when someone is dead, he accepts that they are gone. Even if he is devastated by it, even if he'll cry all the rest of his days about it - if they're dead? Apollo lets them go. In Fasti, when Zeus brings Asclepius back, he does not say Apollo asked him to - Zeus, or well, in this case Jove, brings Asclepius back because he wants Apollo to stop being mad at him.
(Ovid, Fasti VI. Apollo please come home your father misses you. trans. A.S Kline)
Even Boyle's translation which you used above in your findings hints that Zeus made Asclepius a god because he wanted Apollo to stop grieving. (i.e 'smile at your father', 'for your sake [he] undoes his prohibitions')
And like, Apollo was deeply upset by Asclepius' death - apart from killing the Cyclops in anger, in book 4 of the Argonautica, Apollonius writes that the Celts believe the stream of Eridanus to be the tears Apollo shed over the death of Asclepius when he left for Hyperborea after being chastised by Zeus for killing his Cyclops:
But the Celts have attached this story to them, that these are the tears of Leto's son, Apollo, that are borne along by the eddies, the countless tears that he shed aforetime when he came to the sacred race of the Hyperboreans and left shining heaven at the chiding of his father, being in wrath concerning his son whom divine Coronis bare in bright Lacereia at the mouth of Amyrus.
It all paints a very clear picture to me. Apollo did not ask for either of them to be brought back. Though bringing them back certainly pleased and delighted him, they are actions of other gods who are moved by Apollo's grief and mourning and seek to mollify him. Him not asking doesn't mean he didn't want them back which I think is a very important distinction by the by, but it simply means that Apollo knows the natural order of things and, even if it hurts, he isn't going to press his luck about it.
Which, of course, brings us to Admetus. And I'm really not going to overcomplicate this, Admetus is different because, very vitally, Admetus is not dead. Apollo can't do a thing once Fate has been carried out and Death has claimed a mortal but you know what he absolutely can do? Bargain like hell with the Fates before that point of inevitability. And that's what he does, ultimately for Admetus and Alcestis. He sought to prolong Admetus' life, not revive him from death or absolve him from death altogether and even after getting the Fates drunk, he's still only able to organise a sacrifice - a life for a life - something completely contingent on whether some other mortal would be willing to die in Admetus' place and not at all controllable by Apollo's own power.
All of these things, I think come back to that point you made - that Apollo's place as a god of order is very important and therefore these people are very special to him if it means he's willing to go against that order but, I also wish to challenge that opinion if you'd let me. Apollo's place as a god of order is very important and therefore, I would argue, that it is even more important that it is shown that he does not break the divine order, especially for the people that mean the most to him. The original context of my comments which started this conversation were on this lovely, lovely post by @hyacinthusmemorial which contemplated upon Asclepius from the perspective of an Emergency Medical personnel and included, in their tags, the very poignant lines "there's something about Apollo letting go when Asclepius couldn't that eats my heart away" and "you do what you can, you do your best, but you don't ever reach too far" and I think that's perfectly embodied with the Apollo-Asclepius dichotomy. Apollo grieves. He wails, he cries, he does his best each and every time to save that which is precious to him but he does not curse their nature, he does not resent that they are human and ultimately, he accepts that that which is mortal must inevitably die. There is nothing that so saliently proves that those who uphold rules are also their most staunch followers - if Apollo wants to delight in his place as Fate's mouthpiece, he cannot undo Fate. And, if even the god of healing and order himself cannot undo death, what right does Asclepius, mortal as he is, talented as he is, have to disrespect it?
The beauty of these stories isn't that Apollo loved them enough to bring them back. The beauty is that Apollo loved them enough to let them go.
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Hi! I've never run a poll blog before, but I like the "do you know this character" type blogs and I searched and didn't find one for ADHD characters so I decided I'd make one!
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You can call me Mudkip if you'd like, or my name, Réka. She/her only please, do not use any other pronouns for me including they/them. I am an adult. I was diagnosed with ADHD at a very young age and have it bad enough that I consider myself disabled. So ADHD rep is very important to me! And I'd like to both learn about ADHD rep I might not have heard of, and spread awareness of what ADHD people are like through the characters that people might not even realize are like us.
My icon is the character 707/Seven from Mystic Messenger, I chose him because although it's a bit hidden he is canonically ADHD! There's a call where he talks about how he talks to himself, and if you say "I heard people with adhd talk to themselves a lot..." he agrees with you, as well as displaying other ADHD traits through the whole game.
...is this entire blog partially part of my agenda to spread the word of canon ADHD Seven? Maybe.
Header is Zack Fair from Final Fantasy VII; he's not canonically ADHD but there's strong evidence for it and I couldn't resist using the "Me? Gongaga." meme.
I often can't resist making non-poll posts on this blog, although I swear I try. If you're just here for the polls you might want to filter the tag "not a poll"!
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this was part of the original pinned and I always like seeing this part of poll blog pinneds so I'm leaving it
I'm supposed to tag other polls for visibility, right? This was largely inspired by @who-do-i-know-this-man and @doyouknowthisdisabledcharacter as well as @do-you-know-this-queer-character !
If you want to know if someone's been posted, check below:
Polls in progress:
707/Saeyoung Choi from Mystic Messenger (canon)
Kyle Klimson from The InBESTigators (noncanon)
SpongeBob SquarePants from SpongeBob SquarePants (noncanon)
Sherlock Holmes from the original Sherlock Holmes stories (noncanon)
Evan "Buck" Buckley, from 9-1-1 (canon)
Meg Murry, from A Wrinkle in Time (noncanon)
Bokuto Koutarou, from Haikyuu!! (noncanon)
Finished polls (under the cut):
Quicksilver/Pietro Maximoff from the X-Men movies (noncanon)
Rumpleteazer from Cats the Musical (noncanon)
Bobby Drake/Iceman from DC Comics (noncanon)
Karlach Cliffgate from Baldur's Gate 3 (noncanon)
Evelyn Wang from Everything Everywhere All at Once (canon)
Osana Najimi from Komi Can't Communicate (noncanon)
Barbara Gordon/Batgirl/Oracle from DC Comics (noncanon)
Sora from Kingdom Hearts (noncanon)
Dr. Coomer from Half Life VR but the AI is Self Aware/HLVRAI (noncanon)
Johnny Gat from Saints Row (noncanon)
Bart Allen/Impulse from DC Comics (noncanon)
Michael Tate from Greater Boston (canon)
Uraraka Ochako from My Hero Academia (noncanon)
Etcetera from Cats the Musical (noncanon)
Richie Tozier from IT (noncanon)
Gary Smith from Bully/Canis Canem Edit (canon)
Leslie Knope from Parks and Recreation (noncanon)
Leonardo from Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (noncanon)
Mungojerrie from Cats the Musical (noncanon)
Achilles from the Iliad (noncanon)
Tajima Yuuichirou from Ookiku Furikabutte/Oofuri/Big Windup (noncanon)
Benrey from Half Life VR but the AI is Self Aware/HLVRAI (noncanon)
Crowven Corvuson from Cemetery Mary (canon)
Martlet from Undertale Yellow (noncanon)
Zell Dincht from Final Fantasy 8 (noncanon)
Skimbleshanks from Cats the Musical (noncanon)
Goku from Dragonball (noncanon)
Yuma Tsukumo from Yu-Gi-Oh Zexal (noncanon)
Moritz Stiefel from Spring Awakening (noncanon)
Sydney 'Syd' Novak from I Am Not Okay With This (noncanon)
Yuki Takeya from Gakkou Gurashi/School-Live! (noncanon)
Annabeth Chase from the Percy Jackson series (canon)
Maria von Trapp from The Sound of Music (noncanon)
Lift from The Stormlight Archive (noncanon)
Tim Drake from DC Comics (noncanon)
Monkey D. Luffy from One Piece (noncanon)
Apollo Justice from the Ace Attorney games (noncanon)
Stella from Winx Club (noncanon)
Roy Harper from DC Comics (canon)
Michelangelo from Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (canon)
Tony Stark from the Marvel Cinematic Universe (noncanon)
Aiden Clark from School Bus Graveyard (canon)
Serpaz Helilo from Vast Error (canon)
The Doctor from Doctor Who (noncanon)
Ronan Lynch from The Raven Cycle (noncanon)
Leo Valdez from the Percy Jackson books (canon)
Moth Flight from Warrior Cats (canon)
Ramona Quimby from the Ramona books (noncanon)
Joey Pigza from the Joey Pigza books (canon)
Anne Shirley from Anne of Green Gables (noncanon)
Spinner Mason from Degrassi: The Next Generation (canon)
Lupin III from Lupin the Third (noncanon)
Rainbow Dash from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (noncanon)
George Beard and Harold Hutchins from Captain Underpants (canon)
Alex Woodroe from All the Feels (canon)
Agent Curt Mega from Spies are Forever (noncanon)
TG from Castle of Nations (canon)
Shawn Spencer from Psych (canon)
Sydney Scoville Jr. from Grrl Power (canon)
Marinette Dupain-Cheng from Miraculous Ladybug (noncanon)
Zagreus from Hades (noncanon)
Sherlock Holmes from Sherlock & Co. (canon)
Ash Ketchum from Pokémon (noncanon)
Misfire from Transformers (canon)
Herlock Sholmes from The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles (noncanon)
Christine Canigula from Be More Chill (canon)
Aubrey Little from The Adventure Zone: Amnesty (canon)
Lt. Columbo from Columbo (noncanon)
Billie from Billie Bust Up (canon)
Wei Wuxian from Mo Dao Zu Shi (noncanon)
Jimmy Casket from VenturianTale (noncanon)
Sara Eriksson from Young Royals (canon)
Magnus Burnsides from The Adventure Zone: Balance (noncanon)
Scout from Team Fortress 2 (noncanon)
Luz Noceda from The Owl House (canon)
Zack Fair from Final Fantasy VII (noncanon)
Percy Jackson from Percy Jackson and the Olympians (canon)
April Polls' Day posts, for posterity - ran polls on non-ADHD characters:
Twilight Sparkle from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
Zenos yae Galvus from Final Fantasy XIV
P.I.X.A.L. from Lego Ninjago
Brutus the Ducky from Real Life and also Rubber Ducky Hell (our only canonically non-ADHD poll subject)
Sophia from Stranger of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin (please play it)
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