#discourse brainrot

[chiyana]

I am... I am going to lose my mind.

Whomst the fuck 'agrees' that Pharah x Mercy is 'creepy' because of a 5 year age gap. For all the issues you could have with that ship, a 5 year age gap for people I'm pretty sure are in their late 20s/early 30s is kind of a stupid issue to have

"27 year-old young adult lad" you mean an adult?? an adult, a 27 year-old is an ADULT.

23 years is a pretty hefty age gap, sure, but these are fictional characters who are consenting adults. same as above, you can have issues with the ship, you can even have issues with the age gap in specific, but phrasing it as 'a 27 year-old young adult lad and a 50 year-old middle age man' is... is a weird way to put it.

[idzinski]

What confuses me greatly in the jayvik debate (yes i will keep talking about it sorry not sorry) is christian linke's statements. If I understand him correctly, he sees viktor as ace representation and kinda acts like thats the reason why jayvik cannot be canon.

Which, even if motivated by a sincere intent of representing a minority, comes off pretty ignorant and misrepresents the ace community. Obviously, not only is asexuality a spectrum, but it doesnt mean a person cannot feel romantic attraction or enjoy being intimate with a partner.

Tldr; ace viktor and jayvik can both be true at the same time, and one shouldnt be used to undermine the other

[mikequeeler]

this has probably been done before but…

[queen-of-hawkins-why-ler]

“Mike Wheeler isn’t hot or a bad boy, he’s canonically an uncool loser with zero rizz” to YOU maybe, but Will Byers happens to find him very handsome and attractive and appealing and there’s nothing wrong with describing him that way from Will’s perspective?? Ppl throwing fits over this type of characterization in the name of preserving canon??? Or is it bc the idea of Mike and Will having sexual desires for each other would taint the pure, angelic, sanitized idealization of them u have in ur head??? 🧐🧐

[lee-minhoe]

hanjitonin for @strayklds 💖🎁

[utilitycaster]

I'm vagueing a very specific post here but there's one post from a few days ago that manages to be both unbelievably patronizing, to the point of dehumanizing, towards people from colonized countries and cultures, and also claims that maybe the reason people who don't like Campaign 3 Don't Get It is because maybe a game based on Pathfinder would have more complex villains than one based on that childish black-and-white game, D&D. And while the first point is, well, white and western-centric and I find it genuinely horrifying that 40-odd people in the fandom liked and reblogged this one. I do want to point out that fully and eloquently debunking the that point would probably require I spend a while reading Spivak and hooks, and to be clear, I am attempting to do so, but that takes time.

What I can point out, however, is 1. in a post claiming to speak for colonized people maybe don't end it with a petty dig at the more popular of the two biggest guns in TTRPGs, that's just basic rhetoric and 2. As Critical Role began pre-stream in Pathfinder 1e and your argument is apparently that works that inherit from D&D are inherently overly simplistic I have some real bad news for you about where pathfinder derives from.

[buddieroommates]

I need yall to just say you don't like bucktommy and go cause I was there when we were all giggling at eddie "bzzt bzzt" diaz dawg like your problem is not with inappropriately timed jokes here

[patheticblorbloscholar]

Eddie: Im straight

The buddie fandom: Not if I say you arent. I demand you be queer

Meanwhile Bucktommy is fucking onscreen.

[justrustandstardust]

in the face of all the homophobic anons flooding my inbox, there’s one thing i want to make abundantly clear:

gojo and geto are queer-coded regardless of whether or not you understand their relationship to be romantic. all it takes is one (1) critical thought to understand that romance is a dimension of queerness; it does not constitute it. yes, people understand their connection in a romantic context because that is a facet of their queerness. even if you don’t recognize the romantic dimension of their relationship, that does not negate the fact that gojo and geto’s characters & connection are indisputably and intentionally queered already.

i’m not saying they’re not romantically involved— on the contrary, anyone with half a fucking braincell and the ability to conduct surface-level textual analysis would clock that facet of their dynamic. what i’m saying is that the romantic dimension of their relationship does not singlehandedly make them queer simply because it happens to align with popular understandings and depictions of queerness. romance is there, yes, but romance alone does not constitute their queerness: they are queer alongside and independently of the axis of romance.

you can think of romance as a conduit— it’s one expression of their queerness, like a branch extending from a tree. when we say they are queered, we are beseeching you to stop pointing to the branch and insisting it is the entire tree. to be queer is to be insurgent, vibrant, subversive, effervescent— the branches extend endlessly from the infinitely faceted treetrunk. romance is merely one amongst many; it alone does not bear the insignia of queerity.

queerness is not an imposition upon them, it constitutes every aspect of their characters. it’s in geto’s monstrous femininity, it’s in gojo’s mournfully joyous disposition, it’s in both of their roles as guardians of children and protectors of chosen groups. it’s in the intimacy of their connection, it’s in their joy and their grief, it’s in their devotion and their tragedy. it quite literally is who they are, with or without the dimension of romance.

when these pseudo-intellectuals defend them from being deemed queer, they’re defending them from THEIR limited conception of what it means to be queer. in accusing everyone of Turning Them Gay, they don’t realize the call is coming from inside the house and that everything they love about gojo and geto was queer to begin with— just not in the one-dimensional way they understand queerness to operate.

if they stopped guzzling the heteropatriarchal kool-aid, it would become apparent to anyone with basic critical thinking skills that the ones who are ruining their characters are not the people who recognize gojo and geto for who they are, but those who break off the branch to beat the tree.

[wisteriagoesvroom]

had to sit down like a fainting victorian maiden after seeing the dog crate tag. saw sebastian's live and then had the evil thought of mark putting young seb in the crate for timeout and current seb seeing oscar in there.

oh seb and mark totally have a cup of tea and a chat and pretend ojp isn’t there. seb even gets him one of those enrichment licking pads and everything with the many silicon textures. good for the brain you see. seb knows because it felt good when he used to get a tennis ball with a snack inside back in the old days 💛 cratetertainment has come so far since seb’s era 💛

[daz-zey]

Okay… here we go lol….

I just want to say first off, I acknowledge the chemistry and the complexity of them. They are interesting as a whole and individually. Them being Gi hun and In ho… at the same time I just don’t like the ship at all. Like romantically. Maybe platonically, sure. But romantically no 😭. They have to be acquaintances or friends first lol… Gi hun has been through a lot and he doesn’t really need anything rn except for his daughter and therapy. He has to work on himself if you know what I mean. Same goes for In ho… I know some are “joking” (don’t know but this is what I’ve been reading and stuff) however there’s people that are serious about it. Squid game itself has no business doing things that involves shipping and romance (not a romance show). It’s a show that has something serious going on. Most of these posts are literally mischaracterizing these two characters in order to seem relevant of the ship. Another reason why I dislike this ship is because it is literally everywhere. Meaning I just want content just with Gi hun or just with In ho. Without bringing the other into every post/conversation. That’s when I get turned off. 😭 I’m more into the story, the theories and some headcanons themselves. For example, the Hwang brothers 🥺🥺 they have to be talked about more… doomed siblings. Sobs.

+ whenever it’s talked about in a YouTube video (Instagram and whatnot) they’re in and it’s literally just the actors. Like come on now… ya’ll are doing too much atp. I get that you’re saying “shipping the characters” but it’s still talking about the actors in this regard to a video with said actors. Especially when they’re literally in a relationship with other people, married for goodness sake. So this also turns me away from the whole thing.

+ I’m seeing all these talks about the violence, gore and whatnot with these two characters being together. Saying a healthy relationship is boring. How the hell is wanting a lovey dovey, fluff, healthy relationship boring?? In this day and age, people want that shit. Cause all you see are harmful, manipulative people doing things to each other already. You guys are basically romanticizing toxic relationships and it’s worrisome.

(This makes Gi hun underrated in his own show….)

In the end, I just think everything is forced.

[idzinski]

This whole jayvik "are they gay" debate is driving me insane (so I will rant about it)

Literally every discussion I see on this topic ends with people shaming each other for wanting to feel represented 🫠 Like DAMN can we just let people enjoy things? I also despise the narrative that platonic love is somehow above and more pure than the romantic one. just. RAAAAAAH its normal for people (esp queer ones) to look for things in fiction that comfort/represent them and we should not undermine each other for that ‼️

[harbingerofsoup]

i bet the in universe daniel molloy discourse is a thing of beauty

[buddieroommates]

eddie's "but his wedding is about you?" comment was not him saying that buck bringing tommy to the wedding is making it about him btw. it was literally the exact opposite. in the most teasing way possible he was pointing out that the bachelor party and the wedding are literally the exact same situation, so if by his logic "officially" calling tommy his date to the wedding isn't an issue then it's silly to think the bachelor party would be either. if you took it the other way and decided this was some gotcha moment of eddie basically calling buck selfish for wanting to take a guy he likes to his sister's wedding then I fear you've not only misunderstood eddie's love for buck, but also buck's love for his sister and chimney and their love for him. also i think you're real fucking annoying.

[sunflowerofchaos]

Okay enough time has passed for me to throw my two cents into the Bridgerton discourse. Many are displeased with the season and part 2 specifically. I have been trying to piece together what my issues were with it and I hope that someone can find this and maybe find something that clicks as to why the season may have been disappointing.

I am a big polin stan. In fact I started watching for and because of them. Totally believed in the supremacy of their story because of their adorable friendship and the long build up ever since the pilot.

I loved part one. That will be controversial but I truly did. Was the pacing a bit off? Yes it was!

But did it give us the romcom atmosphere, the yearning, the love? Yes definitely! I'll even argue that part one, the going from "friendship to love" is done more beautifully in the show than in the book. People said one kiss is all it takes for Colin but that's really not true in the show. If you take account of the history we have because of season 1 and 2 it doesn't feel that way.

And the funny thing is that despite part one having a bunch of side plots, it worked. It was walking on the edge of being too much but it didn't cross the line.

Not yet anyways... so here are my 6 big errors of part 2

Like everyone I was way too hyped after the carriage scene, which leads to..

Error number 1: The break after the carriage scene set the bar too high. The long break filled with press and interviews further hyping up part 2 after that high consequently did damage to the reception of part 2. I believe that almost anything after the carriage would appear as a let down due to the wait. That's kind of unfair to the show I know, but it also makes sense as we, the audience would have abnormally high expectations that are difficult to please.

Part 2 is flawed and there is no arguing that. The beginning of it felt like a let down due to the split right after the carriage scene aka the climax of part 1 (pun intended) but fine objectively speaking episode 5 and 6 are nice. But then comes error number 2, the fact that we have 2 episodes where their love is clouded by the secret of lady whistledown. I feel like that was problematic to the pacing of part 2 (which is a problem in itself). The tension in episode 5 was necessary but also so much. So much that Colin literally questions her feelings. Then episode 6 instead of lifting that cloud sooner, continues to sour the polin scenes until the very end of the episode. The reveal should have been earlier in episode 6, so they have time to properly heal and be happy. (Seperate errors that I will adress)

Error number 3 is how the wedding fell under the dark cloud of the angst. I was wishing it would be the happy wedding of bridgerton and it was happier than Daphne's or Anthony's (not that we saw the real one) but the queen disrupting the wedding felt like another punch. One more time we were close to seeing their happiness but couldn't. (Something we barely get to see at all)

Then error number 4 (my personal enemy). The pacing of the conflict and healing. The way Colin was hurting was amazingly portrayed by Luke and I even understand how Colin wanted to hurt Pen with the entrapment comment and unlike many I won't hate him for it at all. But one thing where the writing really failed me is how polin shared a number of scenes that could've had a bigger role in their healing but ultimately didn't. I will list the scenes and how EVERYTIME we think they are a step closer to healing, they go back to square one and how that effects the scene where they eventually do "heal".

Exhibit A: The modiste scene. Beautiful confrontation and it really set up the possibility of them talking through it more but then it ends abruptly with Colin shutting down (however I'm inclined to give this one some saving grace because at least they talk)

Exhibit B: The wedding. Colin once again gives us hope that perhaps they're closer to making up but when Colin walked away with Pen and they had a second confrontation where she states that she is lady whistledown, I expected Colin to at least accept that statement and not revert back to being in denial about it afterwards and shutting down again. This could've been the scene where Colin starts to accept them as one. (Not to take away from the letters scene but it would have been a great foundation for it)

Exhibit C: The bedroom scene. Ah my personal nominee. This scene could've been so much more and no I don't mean a sexy scene. This scene could've been thee scene where they talk. It would've felt more powerful to have the talk that they have in Bridgerton house in their bedroom instead. I can't stress how it would've fit perfectly and been book compliant. If they had utilized this scene better, then polin being at Fran's wedding the next day would've have felt more emotional and helped convince us of them gradually solving the conflict. Netflix, that wouldn't even take from your running time. Pen could've confronted him there as she did in the book. Colin could've faced his jealousy right then and there instead of having Cressida point it out for him and still not facing it.

Exhibit D: Bridgerton house. Yes they do talk here and you can see that scene as the one where they settle things prior to the ball, BUT one it is too close to the end and it feels cut short which frankly doesn't seem enough for the viewers to believe that they now have joined hands. This scene was personally not enough for me. I think if you expand the conversation it would be much better or again if you put this dialogue in the bedroom scene it would have been powerful and helped the pacing as the bedroom scene was in the first half of the finale and this one way too close to the ball.

You'll see that every scene post reveal is following the same frustrating pattern of them brushing over the problem. You in turn get your hopes up for it to develop further into forgiveness, then voila Colin shuts down and goes back to square one. That was extremely frustrating for me as a viewer as it happened multiple times, especially since it seems ridiculous to leave the conflict in the air till the last 10 minutes when they have had several opportunities to solve it sooner. Colin's peace at the end comes too suddenly as those previous scenes don't see him gradually make peace with the matter but always shutting down and running. Those scenes could have been used to show the steps of him gradually getting over it, forgiving her and facing himself.

Error number 5. The side plots and overall pacing.. As I said part 1 walked the fine line but part 2 crossed it. What do you mean that we get more scenes of secondary characters than polin getting over their conflict and having some time to see their happiness. That messes with the pacing, making part 2 seem to want to cram up as much plot as possible. You have Francesca's love match, Benedict's exploration, Eloise's general conflict and dynamic with Cressida, Cressida's own story, Violet's arc, lady Danbury and her brother's conflict, the Mondrichs arc, the solicitor, queen etc...

This season was simply TOO ambitious for its own good. It tried to do too much. Suddenly it didn't feel like polin season but rather the season to set everything up for the next season and that really hurts as a polin fan.

Finally error number six which is by far the most famous error. The lack of happy polin. As I explained episode 5 and 6 while showed some happiness it didn't feel real because of the secret constantly hanging around. They were happy but you as a viewer might have felt more worried and had a more bittersweet feeling. Especially when you see Colin get more and more anxious and insecure during those episodes. Then episode 7 and 8 sees them miserable most of the time. That sucks even though it is necessary it still sucks. Sucks because after all that put together we don't get to see it pay off. 4 episodes of angst and they give you one scene that suddenly heals it, 10 seconds sexy scene and an epilogue scene where they suddenly have a baby. It is simply not enough to balance out the dark vibe of the entirety of part 2. That is why thousands of people are hanging onto the petition to release the deleted scenes. So we can finally see the pay off of the angst and can properly balance out the emotions that came with it and move on.

Not to mention the absolutely wasted confession of Colin Bridgerton.. when he said I love you at the end of episode 8 I was already thinking "with everything that you are, everything you have been and everything you hope to be????!!!" But then he didn't say it and I was confused as to why they would possibly not use THEE love confession??? Since that's Bridgertons thing??? Having incredible confessions... And it's not like it didn't fit in fact it would have fit so well. At this point if you squint you might imagine hearing luke continuing the line for God's sake. That remains a mystery that makes no sense to me.

So by now I don't think anyone got that far and I can't complain because I wrote this for me. To structure my thoughts and make peace with it. And so to sum up these errors: the split, the structure of episode 5/6, the wedding sadness, the way the conflict/healing was handled, the pacing with the side plots and the lack of happiness to counteract the angst. I will revisit part 1 happily and just stop after the mirror lol. I will look forward to seeing polin happy in 2 years I guess.. and I do believe that when season 4 comes out and they're happy and are hanging around we will accept season 3 way more and come to hopefully love it.

[justrustandstardust]

Y'all talking like you wrote jujutsu kaisen. I'm not Gege but l think he wrote them as just good friends not anything more. Its just fanfiction. Plus y'all can actually tell that they are friends/brothers cause of the way they act. Anyways no use in arguing cause neither of us are the writers of Jujutsu Kaisen and its not giving us anything productive. Like we barely are increasing skills of making money or helping others and were wasting time on debating on Gojo and Geto who aren't even real!

.....fine you keep SatoSugu a relationship and l'll keep them a brotherhood

it seems like you're the only one who's pressed about debating the nature of gojo and geto's relationship. you say gege is the one holding the reins, yet you're determined to define their connection according to your reductionist understanding of relationships. the only unproductive part about all of this is your insistence that you alone possess omniscient insight into gojo and geto's relationship, which is nonsensical at best and laughable at worst.

as i've explained extensively, gojo and geto are meant to be interpreted in a critical manner. it's not gege's fault that some of his fans seem to lack the basic analytical skills to do so. gojo and geto may not be real, but your dedication to undermining their relationship certainly is. maybe you should heed your own advice and start "making money" or "helping others" instead of getting up in arms about characters that very clearly escape your narrow worldview.