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supernatural s1e16 shadow (w. eric kripke)
I want us to be together again.
be still my beating heart part 2 of ∞ || will he stay or will he go part 1 of ?
(aka the first time i had a full-tilt meltdown over this show)
#supernatural#eric kripke#spn 1x16#sam and dean#sam winchester#dean winchester#mygifs#spngifs#sam and dean mush#how to feel about your brother#willhestayorgo#samdeanheartsquish#like watching soon to be exes-the relationship is clearly over and one flaying themselves open showing their squishy insides#trying to make it work but the other is gently shutting them down and saying it's over#wholly lost my shit about this. late enough in s1 where we know this is A LOT of (too much?) emotional vulnerabilty for dean#but also way too early in any show's run to expect this level of emotional vulnerability and guts being strewn about#truly threw me for a loop. but it certainly set the stage for where they would go with sam and dean over the years#Dean's little eyebrow raise to the “I'd do anything for you” and sad half smile “could be” just punch me in the gut#and that sweet open expression talking about being together and a family again. ugh. such a rarity to see that on him#and Sam's “i don't want them to be” absolutely crushing. in the kindest manner.#but by the end dean's got his walls back up. oh my heart.
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I do fucking love the later seasons of SPN, the domestic wincest content alone gives me so much life but omg fucking Kripke!era SPN is bone-chilling, wing-flapping, inconceivably, sickeningly, TWISTED AND BEAUTIFUL AND PACKED WITH WINCEST LIKE FUCK
I am T H I S close to going back and rewatching early SPN because I am craving the gritty motel aesthetic and long shots of the Impala, not to mention the religious undertones????
Hell the religious undertones alone give me life holy shit and like you can’t have a fucking ANGEL from the LEGITIMATE HEAVEN, call Sam and Dean “erotically codependent” and then say there’s no evidence of wincest existing at all
#don’t be blind#admit it#Sam and Dean are in love and have been in love with each other since either of them knew what love was#kripke wrote this shit for us#Eric Kripke you are a god#thank you for wincest#samdean#wincest#wincest is just my roman empire now#should I watch SPN right now or or in five seconds#what episode#I’m feeling season 2#jared padalecki#jensen ackles
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Dare i say homelander's character always was kind of heartbreaking but after this episode I just- i don't think i have the words to properly describe my thought process but i'll try.
He's not just a whumpee turned whumper.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, right? Well that's it, until it's not just this.
Ever since he was born he's been nothing but feared, often even revered: not really like a god, at least not in a christian way, more like a lovecraftian abomination. He has never known humanity.
I repeat:
He has never known humanity.
When that scientist (Barbara) tells him his need for love and approval is too deep and too human for him to ever get rid of it he softly replies that oh well then it's good he's not human. And I mean, he isn't completely wrong is he? You cannot place the shackles of divinity upon a child and expect them not to succumb to the burden of your lowly, human, fearful gaze. How can we ever dare to demand him not to feel superior to anyone else when the first notion to be drilled in his head was that he's too powerful to be loved. Or at least to be only loved. Love tainted by fear is not what he's seeked all those years, even if he may not realize it. He craves approval, he craves genuine affection, to hold the gaze of another without seeing that glint of terror creeping out to meet his eyes, because it's always there. Even the most devoted hometeamer knows, deep inside their head, that Homelander's very nature demands they fear him. Sure they think it's just the respect they owe him for protecting them or whatever, but it really isn't. It's just the natural, human reaction to something that looks human but really is so far above human that you can't help but tremble. A weird kind of uncanny valley.
And so here he is. A god. In a horrific way yes, but still a god, and to try and mix - taint - his divinity with human wants? That's blasphemy. The mortals that tortured him when he was but a child, that shaped him into this wretched being yearning for satisfaction (such an alien concept, so beyond his reach) now must pay.
Humiliation of the flesh follows, because mere humans can't withstand what he was put throught, and as they die like flies he forgives them. Their sins have been forgiven. They have reached atonement not much in death but in the ways they died. In the tortures they put him throught.
Homelander is a "god born of man" and to free himself of the taint of humanity (and so mortality, which is his greatest fear) he needs to destroy his creators.
Anticlimatic, I know, but tragic nonetheless.
The paradigm has been flipped:
"God creates man, man destroys God" has now been reversed.
His yearning for love, his human neediness, has been shattered when he freed himself from his wretched notion of humanity.
Humans created him and made him of divine nature, then dared to call themselves his equals, then they brutalized his body to study its strenght and test its limits. How arrogant of them, to presume there'd be limits to such a thing.
In the end of this deeply nonsensical yapping i think homelander is truly cursed to never be happy, because he will always be in a cage and can only choose which one. He can accept his humanity (and the schackles that comes with it) and the inherent weakness of it, but that will never make him happy: he's too convinced he's a god, he believes in his own myth, his only religion (he is after all the only man in the sky).
Or, he can trascend humanity and become the fearful entity he was always destined to be, without human needs of love or approval he can be the ultimate arbiter of the planet. But that too comes with schackles, i'm afraid.
How could a divine being, basically a god, ever achieve satisfaction? Happiness? These are human matters. To give up humanity he has to give up on these goals too.
#the boys#homelander#prime video#episode 4#vought#billy butcher#whump#godhood#yapping#just yappin#this episode broke me#it hurts#man made horrors#humanity is a cage but so is divinity#there is truly no real freedom for coscience i guess#i probably failed to explain myself#antony starr#give this man an emmy#it's 2 am and i am thinking about a psychotic supe#again#i'm a sucker for angst#angst#eric kripke#thats the good shit
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Oh they are so gonna reveal that Stromfront is Homelander’s biological mother in the new spin off and i’m gonna hate that so much. He already has enough trauma in his life😭
and it's literally for nothing more than furthering kripke's hate boner. like. there's no point to it besides just further shitting on the person who is arguably one of Vought's biggest victims, if not the biggest victim. not even in his post s5 death will he be free of every rotten way they've ever touched his life and it's just so fucking sad man
there's zero point to it besides that, but you just know full well he's gonna do it
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ITS NOT A KRIPKE SHOW IF IT DOESNT HAVE A SHAPESHIFTER LITERALLY RIPPING THEIR OWN SKIN OFF TO CHANGE FORMS
#But holy shit it was so much more bloody in the boys HAHAAHAHA I LOVED IT#the boys#the boys amazon#supernatural#spn#eric kripke#I guess
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the thing is, my awful little gremlin urge to lock Eric Kripke & Bryan Fuller in a room together and not let them out until they've drafted a full season of horror tv centered around intricate rituals between allegedly straight men? it is fundamentally motivated by the imp of the perverse. it's a desire to bring abominations into being.
and yet, somehow, despite the two impulses resonating on the same frequencies, my desire to rent a scenic isolated cabin for a month and invite Emily Nussbaum & Sheila O'Malley out there for a tandem binge-watch of six seasons each of The Americans and Supernatural, so they can exchange the most cosmic-brain takes on the tangled interplay of family, gaze, trauma, & erotic performance the astral plane has ever seen....... now THAT i want out of pure love for the world. whatever the FUCK thousands upon thousands of words of erudite hornyposting might result from that team-up, i want to bequeath the results unto humanity.
#oh it'd be SICK to do '''comparatives''' that are just caps of the juiciest unhinged shit those women have posted about their brainrot shows#those reviews of the americans... rent free in my head to this DAY. 'both are somehow lovers victims and perpetrators all at once--'#'--and she types up their sex life in official reports like some pornographic scheherazade spinning tales to save her own head'#do you see it. the vision. i just wanna sit her and sheila down with each other's shows & whatever drugs they want and watch the takes fly.#sheila o'malley#emily nussbaum#eric kripke#bryan fuller#meta
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Wait.
What?
You’re sure!
It must be so?
For true!
It cannot be so!
Yet so it is!
Astounding!
Indeed!
It was actually BEYOND belief! (These were first and ONLY drafts of music)
What do you MEAN the showrunner of The Boys (Eric Kripke) also created Supernatural?????!!!!!!!!
I cannot process this information!!!!!!
#personal stuff#dougie rambles#what#shitpost#or is it#well yes but actually no#truth#eric kripke#spn#supernatural#the boys#shut up#my reaction to that information#my poor attempt at a joke#but it’s true#new shit has come to light#Amadeus#allusions#cursed#the men
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Season 1, Episode 18: Something Wicked This Way Comes
Dean gets a second chance to right a wrong from his past when the brothers get a mysterious tip from their father about a case they'd worked years ago, but left unfinished after Sam was nearly killed by the creature. (Directly from IMDB)
Director: Whitney Ransick
Writers: Eric Kripke, Daniel Knauf, Sera Gamble
Set in: Fitchburg, Wisconsin
Gotta say, Dean’s right on this one: “Because I’m the oldest which mean’s I’m always right.”
I feel like if I were them, I would contact the actual CDC cause this involves children who are sick??
This is the creature that got Sam, isn’t it
This first season is so well written- not too horror-y, plenty of twists
This guy is totally draining the life of the kids.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, the dynamic of their characters shifts throughout the seasons: Sam’s absolute refusal to put any kids or people in danger shifts onto Dean after hell and Ben, and so does his reluctance to hunt and such. Dean’s guilt NEVER goes away though.
John Winchester is an asshole
Protective Dean Winchester!
#john winchester's a+ parenting#john winchester's journal#john winchester is a piece of shit#kids#shtriga#writer eric kripke#director whitney ransick#writer daniel knauf#writer sera gamble#NO ON SCREEN DEATH
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My favorite thing about The Boys thus far is how they'll casually drop in messages and themes without expanding upon them too far. Starlight's rebranding to a "sexier" hero being repackaged in quasi-feminist rhetoric and the whole "Lesbian is a better sell" biphobia scene.
Like, yeah, those are impactful, important scenes, but the writers knew not to let them overshadow the main themes and plot or beat their audience to death with unnecessary moralizing. They trust their audiences to be smart. It's nice not being spoonfed this shit but rather it being used to highlight both the commercializing of social commentaries and also to code both Vought the opinions as massively shitty.
#The boys#I'm really fucking enjoying this show#It's slick and surprisingly smart#Eric kripke went through some fucking growth holy shit#carmine's sermons
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so like. why did i never hear about Jensen and Danneel moving their production company last year to Amazon, with whom Eric Kripke has been working for years? and how the deal covers both producing and acting while the previous WB deal only covered producing?? and then take into account the fact that Amazon has let Kripke get away with absolutely insane (AND VERY GAY) shit on the Boys?? hello???
i can't believe i didn't know this until today. i am now 100% convinced that if there is a Supernatural revival, it will be both Eric Kripke and Jensen Ackles overseeing it, and it will be under Amazon.
both of those factors combined means, in my [clown] opinion, a chance of Destiel actually happening. i need 2025 to hurry up and get here so Jensen can make his "rather strong announcement" [<<question at 21:55] that he hinted at in March.
#why haven't i seen this being talked about??#this seems pretty significant#destiel#deancas#casdean#dean x castiel#spn#supernatural#spn s16#spn revival#eric kripke#jensen ackles#jackles#spn reunion#the boys#supernatural movie#emily yaps
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I read your post about Supernatural being queer somehow from season 1 and I have two questions.
1. Don't you think it straight-appropriates the word "queer" to say it just means "not normal"? That argument seems disingenuous to me, and a lot of us want representation, and to see that word applied to explicit depiction of queer sexuality, and it's a cheat that they don't. Queer studies did start as the study of queer sexualities and the experience of queer people.
2. Are you saying that the makers of Supernatural intended for it to be "flesh on queer bones"? Do you think they intentionally sat down to tell a queer story?
Those are good questions my anonymous friend. Thank you for asking. Here are my thoughts:
To answer your first question: no, I don't think it appropriates anything. Here's why: firstly, if we're talking about sexuality and gender, it's queer 101 that no one owes anyone a justification of their queerness, and not everyone who is queer is interested in labeling it or making it legible to you, and they have no obligation to do so, and not doing so doesn't make them any less queer. Furthermore, some people who are queer are not interested in sex, so what about them?
All of that together is why, for me, the entire queer project is much more deeply about non-compliance with hegemony, and specifically with hegemony around gender roles, sexuality and to put it under a big umbrella, patriarchy, than it is about who you fuck. Those things extend into so many other aspects of life that I think you can easily talk about "queering" a very wide range of topics, and possibly? ANY TOPIC.
You are responding to this post, I think, and in it, I made a choice to talk about family and hunting, and our heroes roles and characterizations in that, and did not talk about gender shenanigans or sexuality, because my point was that even before we get to anything to do with it, Sam and Dean are immersed in a queered world in a fundamental, structural way. That said, I assure you that if you go back into season 1 of Supernatural, you will find LOADS that could be said about gender and sexuality, too. As well as other things, and a particularly important area, as @ironworked pointed out in the tags, is blue collar/white collar class issues.
As I said, the depth of queerness in Supernatural is actually dizzying just in terms of the story's BONES to say nothing of how they flesh it out. Queerness is about deviation from the norm. It's about rebellion and disobedience against hegemonic systems for the sake of personal authenticity and love.
Think about Cas for a minute. Cas's whole story is that he rejects his role in a hegemonic heaven. He rebels for love, and that is pretty explicit as early as season 4 when he tells Dean "We're making it up as we go". Fellas, that is THE QUEEREST SHIT EVER even if he didn't do it for Dean, and like... HE DID IT FOR DEAN. Cas did not have to tell Dean he loved him for me to know it, and for Cas to be a deeply queered character. When he DID say it, I wasn't the least bit surprised he was in love with Dean, because seriously, we been knew. I was only surprised I got to have the immense pleasure of hearing him say it and looking at Dean's face while he took it in. Jesus. I will NEVER RECOVER.
This is my perspective on representation in Supernatural: It's excellent, and I relate to, and feel seen by it as a queer person. Nobody needs to get fucked on the maps table for me to do the math that this is a queer story. It is very, very, very thoroughgoingly canonically queer in so many ways, and not all of them are to do with sex. I think some fans will only allow it to be called queer if dudes make out in it. I am not one of those fans.
As to your second question, I think there is a wealth of evidence in the filmic oeuvre of Eric Kripke to suggest that as an artist and a writer, he is concerned or maybe even preoccupied with masculinity issues and issues around family, and around the way patriarchy fucks men up. So, yes. I think he knew what he was doing and he knew that queerness was part of the mix. For fucks sake, it's a family of men who hunt monsters. That is very fucking on the nose. Do I think he kicked off Supernatural in 2005 planning a 15 year operatic queer romance between Cas and Dean? No. I don't think anyone planned for it to go as long as it did, and it's a matter of record that some things were influenced by fan response, actors' chemistry, different writers and showrunners' preferences and etc. What I will say is that when they had a choice to "straighten shit out" or lean into the queerness, they fucking leaned in, nearly EVERY TIME. Like, it's pretty amazing how consistently they lean the fuck in.
I'll admit -- I wasn't watching it with those eyes the first time, and I didn't give it much real estate in my mind when I watched it as it aired from 2006 to the end, but the last three episodes reshaped it for me and made me angry, and also made me need to watch it all again, this time with an explicitly queer lens, and BOY HOWDY let me tell you this: the Supernatch rewatch journey is a wild and wonderful trip to Queertown. It is legit more difficult to argue that Dean is straight than it is to argue that he is queer. There is a full on CORNUCOPIA of story evidence to support that read and relatively little that convincingly counters it on the straight side, and that starts right at the beginning, when they bend pretty baby Dean over a police car in episode one, and he smirks insouciantly in his lip gloss. Do I think everyone involved knew how that looked? Sexy, submissive and a bit gay?
YES I DO.
#supernatural#spn#dean winchester#Eric Kripke#watching with queer goggles#I recommend it#it's just queer yo#anti-trashnatural agenda
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the best part of SVSS is how relateable shen yuan is. we all have at least 1 piece of media that we're MAD we know so much about and have invested so much time in. it's fucking TERRIBLE but we've gotten in fights online about it. we are invested in 1 blorbo and the rest is garbage. i'm a star wars fan, i experience this on the DAILY. i understand shen yuan INTIMATELY. i voluntarily watch SUPERNATURAL and have emotions about it of COURSE i understand shen yuan getting so mad about proud immortal demon way he DIED. i almost did seeing how dean winchester died on a fucking rusty nail. could you imagine seeing the supernatural series finale, getting so angry you DIE, and then waking up in the WORLD of supernatural as like, CROWLEY or some shit? and then you realize eric fucking kripke is stuck with you there? imagine watching the trainwreck of the rise of skywalker, DYING from rage, and waking up in the phantom menace and you're like, darth maul. and you're stuck there with GEORGE LUCAS himself. and you can't act that out of character or else you go back to being DEAD in real life? if this happened to me i would react the same way as shen yuan i would lose my fucking mind.
#original post#svss#scum villain#the scum villain's self saving system#scum villain self saving system#shen yuan#shen qingqiu#bingqiu#bingyuan
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“Fuck this prophecy shit. You're my brother and I love you.”
― Eric Kripke on Dean (LA Con 2008).
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NOOO BUT FRRRR THE WAY character arcs have been totally stunted… I’m a Frenchie truther and season 3 (and even the current one now with it just rehashing shit overr and overr) was miserable. Used to watch supernatural back in the day so honestly I blame it on kripke, even though his seasons were considered the best, he never progresses character, only plot. Characters have the same struggles, keep the same attitudes, but face bigger and bigger stakes. Really really hope the writers room strong arms him at some point
Me the instant Eric Kripke kills off my favorite character and I no longer have to watch anything he makes.
#I'm (mostly) kidding. When this finally happens I'll be extremely sad and probably won't stop talking about it for months. Perhaps years.#trashtalk#anonymous
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someone get neil gaiman to write supernatural season 16 so he can make dean and cas gay NOW!!!!
edit: this post was hilarious but multiple ppl have told me neil is gross and did a lot of weird shit so like, get eric kripke to write it he seems like he would make them gay too 😭😭
#neil gaiman#tag watches supernatural#supernatural#dean winchester#sam winchester#castiel#the winchester brothers#destiel#can’t have shit in detroit#why do men
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