#god I hate discourse

[penwrythe]

now with the thing posted, i can finally go to bed.

I had trouble sleeping last night ahhhhhhh

[stply]

antis: yeah i can agree it's wrong to generalize a group of people based on the actions of a few! that's the type of ideology that bigots use to justify their actions and it's just so horrible and wrong!

also antis the moment a single darkshipper is genuinely a bad person: wow this just proves my point about all "proshitters" being "pdf files"! "unalive" all "proshitters"!!! the only good "pdf" is an "unalived" "pdf"!!!! stop "normalizing" "🍇" you degenerates!!!!

[xoxo-ren-xoxo]

Trans posts then: what's in my pants? Erm my phone XD !! This is an anon blog, my gender is none of your business!

Trans posts now: if you don't disclose whether you are tma or tme within the next three seconds I'm legally allowed to call you a nazi mens rights activist to all of my friends. Give me a detailed explanation of what your genitals look like and why so I can decide if you should have a voice in this conversation.

[joejhang]

the way the aftg fandom babies and uwufies jean is insane. like they see a man with so much trauma and their first instinct is to infantilise him. like "oh no jean can't see jeremy get angry or break down!" girl he is a grown-ass adult. stop treating him like he's fragile or a child just because he's deeply hurt. god.

[gay-cartoon-enjoyer]

Gravity Falls meme I made in 5 min

Might as well repost this, since it’s the month of Maybel. 💫

[serpenlupus]

About Wyll and his horns (and what they mean)

Let's say I was writing a part of my Tav's story with Wyll directly connected to the dialogue he has during the tiefling party, and while struggling with this bit, I've realized there's quite a few misconceptions floating around. I felt compelled to add information to the table that might clear them, so here we go.

First, what exactly happens to Wyll when he disobeys Mizora in act one? Well, he doesn't get turned into a devil, he certainly doesn't get turned into a tiefling, he's not a half fiend, not a demon, none of that. Wyll stays human, but he has horns and red eyes (and other features we can't see on his model as of now).

(Everyone has their race listed, Wyll's remains "Human")

This is because when a warlock fails to uphold some part of their contract they can suffer a certain number of consequences, Wylls is “The character grows horns, a tail, or some other devilish features that can't be removed by any means short of divine intervention. As long as these marks persist the character detects as a fiend when subjected to Detect Evil and Good spells or similar magic.” ( from Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus, page 214)

And I’ve come across some people that think it wasn’t so bad of a punishment, that he was being racist towards the tieflings, or just not being justified in being upset after having his body forcibly changed against his will. I think they are missunderstanding just how insidious Mizora’s actions were, and here I just want to give some context to maybe bring a better understanding to the situation. Your conclusions are up to you.

Gonna start by using a not exact analogy, but I think it’s going to make the explanation easier. Stick with me for a minute.

Remember Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean? He had a branded “P” on his arm that marked him as a pirate. A murderer, robber, criminal, etc. in the eyes of the society he was a part of. What did Jack do to earn the branding? (if you don’t know this I suggest you look up the “people aren’t cargo mate” scene) He refused to transport slaves and later freed them, and Beckett had him marked as punishment.

Then, in the first movie, he saves Elizabeth, a woman he didn’t know, from drowning. Right after however, when Norrington sees he has a branded “P”, he’s like “alright, off to jail with you, and then hanging”, no other option crosses his mind. Again, Jack doesn’t know Elizabeth, isn’t indicated to think he is going to be rewarded for helping her, he just sees a drowning person, sees that no one else is going to help, and chooses to save them. That is a pretty selfless/good aligned thing to do, for no other reason that he was the one able to do it, yet the branding in his arm overrides any good action he could ever do, marking him as a criminal for execution and no further thought.

In a way, that’s what Mizora did to Wyll; she forever visibly branded him as someone that has made deals with devils, and that in the world of DnD is a VERY BAD THING. Personally I really like the mod that gives him more devilish features, but at the same time I think there was something clever about choosing to leave him looking more human. He can’t be confused with a tiefling, he doesn’t have the ears, the claws, the tail, all those features that characterize them. He looks kind of uncanny, and that would be like a red flag for anyone in that world. (Beyond the already existing hate for tieflings that I’m not gonna tackle on here because it’s a complicated thing that deserves its own post). And Wyll wants to do good, he wants to help people, to be a positive force in the world so, so badly. This dude got abducted by a nautiloid, got tadpole’d, and the first thing he did right after that was come across the Tiefling refugees and be like “Oh you need help? No worries let me teach you self defense. Oh you being attacked by goblins? Let me blast them real quick”. His way of saying fuck you to all the awful things that have happened to him is being aggressively good and kind. Mizora knows this very well, wants to see him suffer for her amusement, wants to remind him he can't escape her claws, so her choice of punishment was to forever taint his future interactions with mistrust and suspicion. Some people can go real fast from “oh thank God they saved me” to “oh no, are they gonna rob me, are they trying to trick me, are they in cahoots with the ones that attacked me first?” just because of outward appearances. Especially in DnD world. And that deserves its own conversation, but we're focusing on Wyll here.

(Mizora, when I catch you Mizora)

“Well, maybe he shouldn’t have made a deal in the first plac- - “ He was seventeen, alone, preyed upon by Mizora and put in an impossible situation. Please PAY ATTENTION to the story you’re witnesing.

Anyway.

About the tieflings. I know it’s easy to think his words can be derisive towards them, but it’s less about the horns and more about his body being changed against his will. Imagine instead that he got half his face burned, or something that disfigured him. I think his feelings at the moment were closer to that, and yeah they are pretty insensitive words to say to someone with a similar condition (horns or disfiguration), but when feelings are fresh and raw like that it’s easy to say insensitive things. Not saying it was ok for him to say them, but there was no malice in his words. I’ve also seen some people share that they think Mizora wanted to change him more to make him unrecognizable to his original self, the Wyll Ravenguard kid, and I think there is some truth to that too. She wants to make sure that Wyll remembers that he belongs to her, there's no question to that.

(MIZORA, WHEN I CATCH YOU MIZORA)

Whether the Tieflings refugees would feel unsettled by Wyll or not? Yes. In a way, they would. From reasons aside from the ones I explained above, remember that these specific tieflings come from Elturel. If you didn’t pass the History check or don’t remember, Elturel is a city that was literally ripped from the land and dragged to Avernus, First layer of hell (it left a hole on the ground and everything) because their mayor made a deal with the Archdevil Zariel some decades back in the timeline. He sold the souls of all its citizens and the city itself.

This was probably one of the worst times of their lives. Some even got captured and forced to participate in the blood War, like Dammon as a mechanic. And after Elturel got returned to the surface, the tieflings lost their homes because they reminded the other citizens of the literal Hell they’d just gone through, and they kicked them out. And remember, they met and saw Wyll as a human, and then saw him with horns. It’s not unreasonable to think that by looking at him they would be reminded of all the events that led them to the awful situation they’re in. Because of someone that was making deals with devils, just like Wyll. Even if his situation is completely different. And Wyll knows that, that’s why he tells you the tieflings are unsettled by him and chooses to stay away during the party.

It was never just about the horns.

And I know Wyll calls himself a devil but I think it’s because it’s the closest thing he looks as; devils are a whole different race with their own intricacies, although humans can be turned into devils ONCE their souls go to Avernus and they start climbing the power hierarchy there (Mizora and Raphael are cambions/ half-devils btw, which is a different thing,  there are plenty of videos exploring those details more in depth).

Do I think Larian should have made some of this information clearer/easier to access? Maybe? but to be fair, it's a game focused and dedicated to a crowd that was already somewhat familiar with the source material, that blew up waay out of what they originally expected to reach. Hopefully they’ll add some clarifications like they did to other quests. 

Anyway these are my two cents to the conversation, have a nice day, and don't hesitate to add your two cents if you feel like it!

[imperiuswrecked]

I simply do not care what Marvel says is official about the Magnet Family that removes any aspect of them being Romani/Jewish, so why would I care if anyone goes "Billy and Tommy are white because blah blah soul magic whatever but they have white/non Roma parents" lol, like sorry not sorry but if you are gonna claim them as the Minimoffs, and as Wanda Maximoff's children then they are Romani, full stop. You do not get to have the aesthetic/connection without the background, fuck that.

And it's just so fucking tiring to have to see these old and new shitty takes that keep trying to divorce the Maximoffs or Minimoffs from their Romani background.

Why are you, a fan of the Maximoff or Minimoffs, doing Marvel's whitewashing for them??? Why are you deep throating Marvel's boots??? Grow a spine and a brain and stop trying to "but the comics-" you mean the comics that were literally rewritten on a whim because some corporate cry babies were mad that XMCU decided to use Quicksilver (who was whitewashed!!! or the MCU also whitewashed!!!), and I'm supposed to accept their word on it over 40+ years of collective canon stating that the Maximoffs are Romani and Jewish? lmao.

[srslylini]

ok let me turn this shipping discourse stuff on its head. We always see the "shipping is getting destroyed," notion. "By people saying you can't ship those people because this and that"

Yeah but did we pause and think that it's also getting destroyed because people, who ship certain characters, seemingly can't do shipping without acting like it just has to be canon anymore? To the point where they viciously attack anyone who says "uhm actually cool that you ship it, it isn't canon, though"

I promise you, you don't have to find ten thousand unrelated reasons and ways to ship people and you also don't need to make up some weird shit for it to happen. Ship your ship and let others not ship it. Stop fighting over how "canon" it actually is. Especially when it isn't and turns out to not be canon by the end of the media you consume and ship it in.

It just isn't canon, you are also destroying the fandom experience by being a weird little shit about that. That also translates in how the canon relationship then gets hated on/treated. I beg you to ship your ship in peace and leave the other stuff alone.

There is absolutely no need to hate another (canon) ship and act like it sucks (which happens I know ships can suck, but not always, be so for real) or even be misogynistic as a result of this. Just ship your non canon ship in peace and let others do the same.

[waddei]

i get a bit bitter when ppl post straight up dsmp fanart like "hiii Say hi to My new ocs teehee" like it gives off the same vibes as those "dsmp survivor" ppl or the "omggg I can't believe it dsmp in 2024" ppl...

[lavulpe]

This is just a reminder to those who say Zutara was supposed to be cannon! Google is free! (NOTE: I am not hating the ship. I find it cute. I just hate false information!)

[salezmanradioz]

Anyways I don't want to ramble about this under someone's post but I do want to speak my mind about this since thank god I thought I was kinda being too attached to media and being sensitive about it. I'm glad I'm not the only one speaking about this.

While I loved the entire IEYTD event, answering questions in the emails whilst under the guise of Zoe and Zavier and all the articles, it seems a bit cruel to me just to say everything they've answered and all those articles are fake. It was all a test by The Agency to "test if we'd defect or figure out the puzzle". Like it feels bad man.

Not only because of this, but because the intention to pander an audience, knowing that we as a community really love Juniper. To confirm his bisexuality and EVEN back it up with statements about his "EXES" attempting to hack into things numerous times and even when asked if it's really true he's still alive, implying "I can't say nothing read the articles" just to sum it up "hah all fake get a grip" is such a low blow.

Another addition is when asked about the women of IEYTD (Solaris, Prism, Fabricator etc etc), all we got was "classified" and "can't say anything". Going to spit out a hardball here but Prism and Fabricator has had more of an impact to me than Ollie anyday so it felt weird to play pretend "Uncle Ollie" is missing and focusing on him when you got 3-4 main women characters RIGHT THERE. Even then, ending off the whole Ollie thing with (((REDACTED))) stuff like ,,okay?? What are we going to do with this? I'm not saying this to downplay Ollie btw. I think IEYTD characters are great and I'm biased and understand why Schell loves Juniper. I do too but I also really love Prism. I love both Juniper and Prism especially when you have entire games made about them in particular.

In a sense though, I feel like some of the articles have partial truths to them. It feels a little weird to me to write lengthy articles about some of the more prominent characters of the franchise then claim everything was fake. Obviously there are some that was whacky (Juniper giving honey to orphans sounds like a Hivemind thing to do) but to an extent there had to be some truths to it.

Overall, it feels a bit mean spirited knowingly feeding your fanbase some content of their favorite prominent characters just to say "lol this is a puzzle do better anyways have a discount code". I appreciate the discount code for their game but come on now 😭

Anyways IEYTD community, ily let's be strong together. I am marrying Juniper and Prism as we speak <3

[the-meme-monarch]

yeah that ship is fine it's whatever (<- hates it badly but doesn't have any reason to and doesn't want to seem like an ass over it)

[ryanwinsatlife]

Reblog this post if you (a person who experiences sexual attraction, even if only sometimes or under certain conditions) would be happy to spend the rest of your life in a relationship with someone and never once have sex with them.

[artificialflav]

Gotta love dream's politician-eqsue strategy of avoiding all of this, talk loud, fast, deflect, distract, lie, and skirt past anything that requires actual proper discussion. He is such a manipulative fuck.

[pommunist]

This is a statement from the artist who made the upcoming egg figures :

«  Well… Even if working on them brought me lot of joy, even if I had a lot of liberty with it and they’re a little like my babies, I won’t showcase anymore the figures I made for QSMP or any other work I’ve done regarding them.

Lots of strength to the actors and to everyone who’s suffering or has suffered from the situation. Thanks for everything, it’s thanks to y’all that I loved following these adventures this much. ❤️ »

She’s an insanely talented 2d and 3d artist so please if you have twitter go support her work !

Link to her profile :

https://x.com/foxie_fern?s=21&t=fDVoT5qDN_AAqnxYhZF3uQ

[brat-buck]

“Oh my god no Eddie” “where is Eddie” “I miss Eddie” “why is Eddie not here” “it’s so unfair Eddie wasn’t a part of it” WAH WAH WAH WAH I want you to know that this 👇 is what you sound like.

By all means be disappointed your fave isn’t a part of it but holy smokes going as far as to say the episode sucked or was awful just because he wasn’t in it is a stretch. Learn to love the whole cast, please, I beg