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citygirlyuno305 · 4 months ago

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Why Mikoto would be found guilty irl and how the law/laypeople on juries justify imprisoning a host for the crime of an alter (as a lawyer) (cliffsnotes version bc I could go on for a long time about any of the prisoners)

Before I start, please dont take what I say as me agreeing with certain things or expressing a personal view on the crime itself. I’m strictly talking about how his case would be objectively viewed under the law, and i’m only doing it because I see everyone else’s opinions and i find the contrast interesting.

TW because I talk about murder (obviously) and bring in some examples to highlight principles with other crimes that might be offputting- im not accusing him of those or comparing the actual offenses, Im just highlighting different things with them. (robbery, felony murder, sex crime)

The basics/general applicable law

All crimes require 1) actus reus (physical criminal act) and 2) mens rea (guilty mind). One must commit the actual act proscribed by law, and must do so with the requisite intent, for them to be found guilty of an offense. Murder is broadly defined as the intentional killing of another.

Actus reus is pretty simple. Intentionally killing someone else. Intent to do the act that winds up killing someone else or intent to cause great bodily harm is sufficient. “I only meant to beat him up, not kill him” — the intent to beat him up is enough for murder.

The mens rea usually makes all the difference in charging and conviction. Thats why you could see someone who totally murdered someone else actually get manslaughter because you couldn’t prove willfulness or purposeful action, only recklessness or negligence, etc.

Defenses tend to target the mens rea. Self defense is acting under the reasonable belief youre in danger of death or GBI. imperfect self defense is when that belief is unreasonable (and will still get you with a manslaughter charge because its an incomplete defense).

Insanity is another technical defense but it is unimaginably difficult to succeed on it. Theres four tests for legal insanity under US law:

1- M’Naughten test- a defendant is deemed to be legally insane if he or she was unaware of what he or she was doing when the offense was committed or, even if the defendant knew what he or she was doing, that defendant was incapable of understanding that what they were doing was wrong. It also tends to require a sincerely held belief or delusion that the conduct was morally justified.

2- “Irresistible impulse” test- allows for a defendant to be found not guilty by reason of insanity if his or her mental illness meant that, although recognizing the wrongness of the offense, he or she was compelled to commit the offense anyway. The focus is on volition.

3- Durham rule (Only used in NH)- juries follow the diagnoses made by trained professionals in determining whether the accused is guilty. This test fell out of favor because it diminishes the jury’s role as finder of fact and places decision making in the hands of psychologists, who may- and often do- disagree among each other about the diagnoses at issue.

4- Model Penal Code (MPC) test- A little broader than M’Naughten. Psychiatrist diagnoses mental illness; The defendant must prove they lacked the substantial capacity to (1) understand the criminality of the conduct or (2) conform their conduct to the law. This test prohibits psychopaths and sociopaths from using the insanity defense.

The most commonly used tests are M’Naughten and MPC.

Mikoto satisfies actus reus for murder

When someone with DID commits a crime, it is their corporal form that commits that crime, ergo, under the law, that corporal form committed the actus reus, regardless of who was fronting at the time. While unfortunate, the offending alter is an inextricable part of that person’s physical and mental state of being, and as a matter of public policy, the law treats them as one as it relates to physical conduct.

Mikoto cannot satisfy the standard of self defense

To act in legal self defense, the defendant must actually and reasonably believe in the need to defend against an imminent threat of death or GBI. If the belief subjectively exists but is objectively unreasonable, there is “imperfect self-defense,” i.e., “the defendant is deemed to have acted without malice and cannot be convicted of murder,” but can be convicted of manslaughter. Self-defense “is limited to the use of such force as is reasonable under the circumstances.” Only force that is necessary to repel an attack may be used in self-defense, and force exceeding that necessity is not justified.

So view that as 1) reasonable belief 2) of imminent danger and GBI and 3) use of no greater force than reasonably necessary to defend against it.

Theres 0 evidence of it, but let’s assume the guy he smacked with the bat in MeMe hit Mikoto first. In that scene the victim appears entirely unarmed and has no gun, he’s flat on the ground, he’s not moving towards Mikoto. Mikoto walking towards him and beating him down with a bat is not self defense at that point even if he hit him first. It actually wouldnt be self defense even if the guy had a gun in his pocket and Mikoto knew that, because if the gun isnt out and in the dude’s hand, theres not IMMINENT threat under the law.

He fails on self defense.

Mikoto would not succeed on the insanity defense

Take the two most common tests for insanity, M’Naughten and MPC.

Mikoto fails M’Naughten because he did not act under a delusion. The alter is not itself a delusion. And absent any evidence to the contrary, Mikoto and John both appeared aware that the conduct was morally and legally wrong.

Mikoto fails the MPC because, again, it seems both he and John would know the criminality of murder and failed to conform their conduct to the law for a reason other than a delusion or lack of understanding.

I’ll add that in 100% of cases i’ve seen a successful lodging of the insanity defense, the defendant suffered a disorder that caused delusions and hallucinations. It’s still not even a guarantee but schizophrenia or hallucinatory disorders- most commonly where the defendant demonstrates violent hyperreligiosity outside of judeochristian norms- make it much easier to argue that you truly acted under a moral belief that you were behaving properly. For instance, a paranoid schizophrenic man who suffers delusions of demons surrounding his mother and hallucinates that she, too, is a demon, sent to kill him and everyone else, who he then kills because he believed he was saving the world, assuming he gets that diagnosis and has experts testify as to his mental state, is fairly likely to lodge a successful insanity defense… maybe.

DID doesnt fit the typical mold of disorders encompassed by the insanity defense because unless some other illness is present, both the alter and the host know that the conduct is criminal, they arent acting under a delusion, and they arent under a sincere belief that murder is moral and just. Mikoto would not be found legally insane.

Mikoto would be found to have the requisite Mens Rea because as a matter of public policy, the alter is treated as one with the host

Having negated any defenses, Mikoto is likely to be found guilty of murder as he would have the actus reus and mens rea necessary for a conviction. An inextricable part of the host did in fact intend to kill someone, or intended to commit the act that killed someone, or intended to cause great bodily harm, so theres someone here who undeniably satisfies the legal elements for murder, hiding within someone who had no clue.

The law views a guilty alter as a guilty host. The alter is inseparable from the host, they would not exist without the host, and they would not be punished without simultaneously punishing the host. And because John is guilty, Mikoto is guilty under the law. This means Mikoto must be punished as well. Even the rehabilitative approach to punishment for crimes, which I’d say is most defendant-friendly, would require the full and complete “removal” of the offending alter, which means punishing the host to some degree.

And the evaluation of it is ultimately left up to the jury, and I dont think there’d be a jury that acquits him. Mind you, juries inherently doubt both the victim and the defendant when they provide testimony if there’s no corroboration. Be it by physical evidence or an expert witness. With DID, it would be expert witness testimony that kind of makes or breaks it. Right now, viewing what we have as the evidence, we only have Mikoto’s words as evidence of his DID. Without an expert, there’s virtually 0 chance that the jury would accept it as true. And because of Mikoto’s shock, I don’t believe he’s diagnosed, so there’s no expert possibility there either (usually they do bring the diagnosing physician along with several others appointed by the court and both parties).

And juries have the power to simply ignore a defendant’s mental illness in most cases when coming to a decision, if that mental illness did not CAUSE the crime, but only contributed or maybe explains a mental state. but thats a complicated topic with a lot of moving parts. When it comes to most any evidence or testimony, a jury can disregard whatever they believe is incredible, insubstantial, unconvincing. They can rule out a defendant’s (or victim’s) entire testimony as untruthful, they’re allowed to ignore literally any experts that testify if they find them incredible, they’re allowed to cherrypick parts of someone’s testimony to believe or not. They actually have an insane amount of power, so because DID isnt insanity under the law, if even one expert says “No, he doesnt have DID,” they can ignore 2, 3, 4 other experts saying “This guy has DID for real” and conclude that he’s lying. There’s nuances here and there but this will generally hold true. When it’s not the insanity defense or some other way of establishing an element of a defense, mental illness or trauma only holds weight as a mitigating factor in sentencing. And even then, it’s only if you can still somehow try to connect it to the offense. But this is paradoxical, because there has to be a balance between using evidence of mental illness as mitigation and not offputting a jury, as bad as that sounds.

More than anything in some cases, jurors are driven by their sympathy for the parties. And here, a jury is unlikely to be sympathetic to Mikoto, and much more likely to sympathize with the victims’ grieving families. Usually, DID or any other mental illness only garners juror sympathy insofar as they feel bad for the trauma that gave rise to it. It’s like “i hate what you did but i also hate what happened to you that made you this way.” It wont get someone off, but it’ll likely lower their sentence. Perhaps dramatically if the original trauma is particularly gruesome. Juries are unpredictable, but one constant seems to be mercy in the face of objectively undeserved hardship. If what we have now is our entire wealth of evidence, there is a sincere lack of sympathetic material for the jury to draw from wrt why Mikoto fractured in the first place, and for that reason, it’s honestly a very likely scenario that they simply don’t believe he has it at all.

And I don’t want to start any arguments so please dont take this as me putting my opinion out, but there is a common belief among the public, which does not evade the potential jury pool, that people fake all sorts of mental illnesses to avoid accountability. So absent an expert to corroborate the existence of a mental illness and how it impacted your conduct, that belief also likely leaks in.

Again, I’m not presenting opinion, just trying to tell you all everything from where I’m standing to give you the whole picture. All of my colleagues and opposing counsel have discussed the relationship between “identity politics” and increased use of labels to describe oneself off the bat, and juror sympathy, because convincing a jury is almost like a game. You can have all the evidence you need to make an irrefutable case, but how its presented to the jury ultimately makes a significant difference in the outcome. From what I’m told, overreliance on a mental disorder that does not fall within the umbrella of insanity when testifying to describe your offense makes a jury less sympathetic and less likely to believe you. And oddly it seems that keeping self-description of the hardships caused by your mental illness to a minimum has the inverse effect of increasing credibility with the jury, likely because they see it as trying to accept some form of accountability.

I’ll give a few examples. My boss has had a case where a defendant brought up an entirely different mental disorder, not DID. I won’t give out what disorder it was, but it was one my boss described as becoming somewhat “trendy” in the earlier 2000s. No experts testified on the defendant’s behalf, but both the prosecutor and defense attorney did believe the defendant truly suffered from it. The jury did not, in part because it was “trendy” and also because there was no evidence other than the defendant’s word. Given his crime, they believed there was reason to lie about having it, and there was nothing for them to find mitigating because nothing other than his word suggested the mental illness exacerbated the crime. It wasnt even a disorder that wouldve gotten him off on an insanity defense, it was just one for mitigation of sentence, and it was completely rejected- he got something in the realm of 20 years. He succeeded on an appeal for reconsideration of it, and brought in a few experts, but the prosecution also brought in an expert, and the new jury believed the prosecution’s one expert more- who still said the defendant had this disorder, but just that it didn’t contribute to or negate from the commission of the offense. This was an aggravated rape case.

Another example, there was a defendant who kept her description of his mental illnesses extremely short, it had to be coaxed out during testimony. Honestly, he had a pretty shitty go of it from the sound of his childhood and testimony. In a surprise move after originally agreeing to the mental illnesses angle of defense, when he testified, he himself went against his own experts and said his mental illnesses did not make him do what he did, and defended himself in a different way. So his testimony on his mental illnesses mirrored the prosecution’s expert witnesses’ views, but he just tried to justify it another way. Why, I don’t know. But he acted ashamed of what happened to him and what he suffered from mentally and was very clearly uncomfortable discussing it at all. The jury ended up finding that the mental illnesses in fact did mitigate his offense. He had committed multiple murder.

I’m not saying its right or wrong, but juries have little sympathy for mental illnesses that hold no weight in the crime you committed. And if im honest, juries do not want to be there. They have jobs and families and lives, and i wouldnt be surprised if some animus comes in when a defendant puts up evidence of a mental illness or gives long testimony about it when the mental illness did not functionally contribute to the offense/has only a tenuous connection, because it just means the jury has to be there longer. I dont know for sure, but ive seen them get irritated over the prosecution putting up more evidence than they need to, even though thats kind of the whole point- guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and all the evidence eliminates any doubt. So in the same way, introducing repetitive testimony about a mental illness that doesn’t negate any element of the crime could also be seen as a waste of time to them because it doesnt actually modify the verdict itself.

So the odds are stacked against Mikoto under US law at least. Based on what we have, his DID does not negate mens rea.

I’d like to briefly just discuss the public policy goal behind this, as courts have viewed it and explained. There are five main goals of criminal law- retribution (ensuring consequences are dealt), deterrence (discouraging defendant and other similarly situated people from committing this offense), incapacitation (keeping the defendant away from the public and ensuring they cannot hurt anyone further), rehabilitation (reforming the defendant for safe reentry into society), and restoration (providing the victim or their family with restitution for the specific offense committed, attempting to remedy their harm). Sentences are catered to meet these goals as they relate to different offenses. Taken together, the biggest theme is to give justice to the specific victim, and make sure it doesnt happen to anyone else.

You cant force an alter to front or control their decision to front, so there’s no way to truly tell if that alter will front and do it again if the same stressors causing the front arise, even if you put the host in therapy. Because its not like a bit of therapy will make the DID go poof, I’m gone now, it’s a long and intense process that takes years because you have to target that incredible amount of trauma that comes with the formation of the alter in the first place. There’s concerns on the other end about how therapy to cure or get rid of DID is harmful to the host or simply impossible, and if that’s so, then clearly putting the host in therapy will do nothing to protect the public or bring justice to the victims.

Ultimately, the law prioritizes the rights of the victim and the potential for recidivism. Although it was an alter and not the host, the alter cant be punished without also punishing the host. So being left with the option of letting the host walk free with no relief to the victim because the murdering alter is also free, or imprisoning the host for the sake of imprisoning the alter, which is the proper choice? There is no “fair” option. But where there is no guarantee that this will not happen again, it is in the interest of avoiding recidivism and preserving public safety to isolate and imprison the host so the alter can be addressed.

There’s no direct example, but its kind of like if you took conjoined twins, and one commits a murder while the other had no control over the body parts used to murder that person, didn’t want to, and didn’t plan it or conspire to do it. There’s one conscious being that committed a murder, and imprisoning them means we must imprison the other conscious being of the same body who had no part in it or control over it. Is it more justiciable to let them go, knowing that the other twin may offend again and that the innocent twin cannot control the body enough to stop it? Or do we imprison them both, knowing one of them is innocent?

Likewise, how do we ensure deterrence, justice, rehabilitation, restoration, or incapacitation in the case of an alter committing murder?

The short answer is we really can’t without simultaneously imprisoning the host.

So under the law, he satisfies the actus reus, and he satisfies the mens rea. I’d think there’d be some mitigation because he seemed to genuinely not know, but you never know with a jury (which is why I think it’s wise to submit the factfinding for factors in aggravation/mitigation to the judge instead of a jury but that would be waiving your right to a jury trial on those matters). For these reasons, he’d be imprisoned notwithstanding whether an alter committed the offense.

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cyanide-cafe · 11 months ago

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REAL ALARM

Z-327, nickname "REAL ALARM", codename [REDACTED], real name Clayton Nebula.

Clayton, and his companion, Nouvel, were released when Z-13 opened their cell during the events that caused the Hadal Blacksite to proceed to the Expendable program.

Z-327 is thought to be highly dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. Clayton was aggressive to some extent pre-experimentation, as he was accused of 23 separate cases of kidnapping, manslaughter, and defiling human remains via cannibalism. Only one case was proven to his name, but with the 22 other missing persons, they were assumed to be his other victims. It is expected that with his current form he has resumed these activities to a much more violent extent. His partner- both in crime and in marriage- was imprisoned as well.

327 and 326 were held in the same containment cell [as they were previously wedded and were docile pre-experimentation] and had the same line of experiments commit on both of them. Clayton is comprised of stonefish, pacific dragonfish, moray eel, goblin shark, and, of course, human DNA. Refer to Nouvel / False Alarm's document for their DNA lineage.

Their experiments were used to test genetic differences and how it would result their finalized forms.

327 is an ambush predator, and 326 has been seen scaring [3 or more] individuals towards 327, allowing him to successfully capture and kill one or more expendables. When sighting 326, it is best to inspect nearby vents and dark areas for the light glow emitted by his fins and eyes.

However, if 326 is passive, 327 will give expendables cryptic hints on monsters sighted in the next 5 rooms, like "Keep a hiding place in sight." or "Don't look into its eyes."

327 is capable of swimming extremely quickly, and can often be seen exploring around the minefields slowly and carefully. He is entirely passive while exploring the minefields, but may occasionally press his hands against the glass, staring at any expendables that walk past. If a player stares back, he will wave, before returning to exploration.

On rare occasions, if an expendable makes the mistake of flashing him while he's exploring the minefields, Clayton will retreat before the minefield detonates, causing any expendables inside the room to die instantly.

ADDENDUM: Gametes were harvested from both subjects to test if a viable Zygote would be produced. It seems that despite their differences in species, Urbanshade's science division was capable of creating viable offspring between the two's.. charitable donation of gametes. Offspring Z-327-326-1 was seemingly terminated after confirmation of its health, as its file is incomplete.

ADDENDUM: Nouvel [Z-326] was found to be innocent [via monitored conversations between 327 and 326] past the mutation point of no return. They were to receive elevated status, but the blacksite fell before they were able to be moved to a different location.

ADDENDUM: Clayton [Z-327] was found to be innocent [via monitored conversations between 327, 326, and various staff] on the 22 other cases of kidnapping and cannibalism, though the singular outlying case he confessed to committing, saying that he knew he would have been accused anyway, so he had to hide the evidence somehow. Nouvel asked whether or not they had been fed human remains, which Clayton avidly denied, saying that he had only eaten very little of the victim before being revolted by his own actions, dumping the rest of the body elsewhere.

Due to the fact that he had still commit the singular crime of defiling a human body via cannibalism, and not kidnapping or murder, he was not to be elevated alongside Nouvel.

[Nouvel is owned by @novasolstarr!]

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gatorbites-imagines · 2 years ago

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Kinktober day 2

Astarion Ancunin + Bloodplay

I’ve always been a huge vampire fanboy, ever since I read twilight years ago. Plus, a vampire voiced by Neil Newbon? Woof.

Reader is Dark Urge in this. Featuring some Durge headcanons, like their blood being like crack for vampires when willingly given. Not a lot of smut in this, I got kinda carried away by the relationship part.

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Living a life without memories should have been more difficult than it was, but outside of the random urges for manslaughter, committing manslaughter in your sleep, and how desensitised you appeared to be to all types of pain and torture, it was whatever. After a while you didn’t think about it much, even as time passed and you learned more and more about your past, or how your so-called servant showed up at night to try and tempt you into killing all of your allies.

Your memories still weren’t fully back when you learned about your Bhaalspawn status, but it made sense in the long run. From the first time you had met your allies, you’d thought in detail how you wanted to kill them and bathe in their blood, devour their flesh and make ornaments out of their bones. All but one, that is. And that was none other than your ragtag team’s rogue vampire Astarion, ever since you had first met it was like there was a connection between the two of you.

When you had awoken to him one night attempting to feed off of you, you had felt no disgust, but instead a possessive want. You had grabbed him by the back of his neck and pulled him in, burrowing his handsome pale face into your neck, almost more excited about being fed on than he was to feed on you. Astarion would later tell you that your blood was the most delicious he had ever tasted, though he had very little else to compare it too, especially not another sentient living being.

That first feeding seemed to have opened the floodgates, not just in Astarion but in yourself. It was like a bloodlust that had been dormant before flashed awake, like the vampire venom coursing through your veins acted like a shot of adrenaline to your system. Astarion would never outright ask to feed from you, he was much too proud, but you could both tell you enjoyed it, maybe a bit too much for either of your sakes, but with the situation you were in neither of you seemed to care.

You never experienced the fatigue one fed on from a vampire should feel, and if Astarion had ever fed on another sentient he would have been able to tell you that he gained more strength from your blood than he would have anyone else. When learning your Bhaalspawn status, it all made sense, at least to those who knew about your kind. It became especially clear when some of Cazadors spawn tried to feed on you and immediately screamed in agony and turned into black soot. The blood of Bhaalspawn, and Bhaals most beloved child, could only be freely given, any who tried to take it by force would die a painful death.

Even after turning down Bhaals fate for you, dying and then coming back again, your blessed blood stayed. And when everything was done and over with, and most split up to continue their lives, you and Astarion stayed together. Neither of you had anywhere to return too, and you could both admit you had fallen in love. Astarion had no master, and whilst the Bhaal cult still worshipped you to some degree, you felt no need to return. The cult had been quite useful in its own way though, as its lairs had possessed different items that would allow Astarion to walk in the sun even without the tadpole.

But even as you two travelled across the lands, set on exploring and living life to the fullest, the yearning for blood was present. It was like an instinct or need that had been implanted deep in your body, as it was in Astarions in his need to feed. And at times his fangs in your neck as he gulped and your hands in his hair wasn’t enough, at times you needed to draw the life from someone’s eyes and bask in the power it gave you.

That is what lead to the situation you found yourselves in now, both covered almost head to toe in the blood of slave traders. Astarion and yourself had stumbled across a medium sized village mainly filled with refuges of different descent, and had learned how their more beautiful children kept disappearing. So, the two of you set out to hunt down these slave dealers. Normally you two would debate on going more than you did, but something had fuelled the two of you.

The children were brought back to the village, you two were paid with what little gold the town had, and you two returned to your camp even when offered housing by the villagers. Whatever room you would have been offered wouldn’t have survived the hunger you both experienced, you had barely removed the order off your body before Astarion was on you, his nails digging into the tight muscle of your chest as he lunged for your neck.

It wasn’t a bite just for hunger, not in the sense of which he normally fed from you for strength, but a hunger for something deeper. Your hand wove through his pale locks and pulled, drawing an almost snarled groan from him as he panted out his nose, dislodging his fangs from one spot to bite another. The blood of a god still flowed through you even after being disowned, so the puncture wounds shut on their own.

After the life Astarion had lived, he had never been much for intercourse after being free, but you two found a deeper connection this way. Your vampire felt no need to get off, but it didn’t stop his hands from sneaking under your belt to start touching and pulling, his nimble fingers playing you like a fine instrument as you lapped at the muscle and veins of your neck.

Orgasm like this was euphoric, you felt alive in ways you couldn’t remember ever feeling, even in your many years as a cult leader. And for Astarion your trust in him lit a fire inside him, making him feel freer and more in charge of himself than he had been for 200 years. Times like this could draw on for hours, your godly blood replenishing with ease no matter how much your lover drank from you, your cock filling up under his actions as he drove you to pleasure and far into oversensitivity again and again.

It always ended with you two having to stumble your way to the nearest river and clean yourselves, even as your legs felt numb and the glow in Astarions skin made you want to jump him again. As you laid down in your shared tent, you always swore your undead lover felt warm to the touch. Maybe it was the large amounts of blood he had consumed, but he always seemed to sleep better on nights like this as he laid on your left side, his ear pressed against your chest to listen to your heart as it pumped. You didn’t miss being a cult leader, you didn’t miss Bhaal, not one bit. And laying here with Astarion made you glad you had given it all up.

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inconstantsearchofperfection · 2 months ago

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I know that it will probably never happen. But.

One of my fundest and fondest wishes :

Is that someone as awful as donald trump

Would ( will ) die in jail. Die . In prison.

My great dream ... fantasy... hope is that he will be impeached. Then removed from office . Or forced to resign . In shame.

I like both .

Then.

He is arrested for his various crimes .

He is tried before he can flee Justice.

He is found guilty of various crimes .

( from money laundering... to tax evasion

To manslaughter to rape to treason . )

They convict him.

He s put in a special prison.

He has his fucking olde head shaved.

They don't let him have his pancake makeup.

No tan in a can.

No stupid clown suit.

No dumb fucking ties.

In prison , he's not allowed a cell phone nor any form of immediate communication in a widespread way ... so that he can't send his vile and stupid word like ... phlegm s from his fuckn distorted and syphilis ridden, addled, broken mind.

He has limited tv time.

He has to do chores. And he s not allowed to golf. His only love.

He has a garden to walk around in and thats it.

He has basic prison food . And that is fine cause he has no sense of taste in his fucking head anyways. That , will be no different than the outside World. He eats shit for dinner.

His steaks are burned to a fucking crisp to the point he couldn't tell 100 dollar piece of meat from a dollar.

But no hair care products, no tan, no cheap suits , and no texting.

Maybe. The guards and ( or ) an other inmate beats the living fucking shit out of him every once or twice in awhile. ( or not ).

But he rots in prison. For years.

For years.

Like he's the wretched child in those who walk away from Omelas.

He stays in prison . With hardly a visitor. Because nonone wants to see him.

Until he dies. Alone. And decrepit.

Because it is too much to ask that for the treason he has committed that he be executed.

It would be unreasonable to bring back the death penalty for treason.

Anyhooh. That's my little dream.

That he goes to prison. And then , that he dies in prison.

As an example to all those fucking scum bag dippshit followers of his.

And Justice for the damage he has done to the World , The United States and The people.

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akechi-stole-my-heart · 4 months ago

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so i'm about to post the third chapter of stardust, my goro akechi palace au, and i figured, since i did all that research and incorporated it into my fic i may as well explain all the parallels for the people who are curious or don't know all that much about the mythological figure. i'll do my best to keep this short but jic i'm once again wordy as hell i'll put the rest of this under the cut.

however, one quick note: in addition to some general research, the main sources i used in the research of this fic are the well known disney movie, this classic live action movie (which is really fun and i highly recommend!!), this older novel retelling (also highly recommended, though make sure to find a version that is unabridged), and this newer novel retelling. the older novel is mainly sourced from early legends, while the newer novel is largely sourced from later legends. whenever i make a claim about something happening in the robin hood legends, just know there are many variants, and i'm either presenting one version or an amalgamation of several versions, not the entire picture.

okay, nuff boring preamble. let's get into it already.

robin hood

so, most people know the basics of robin hood, and i clearly state all the ways he directly parallels joker in the text, so i won't go on about that here. however, i did want to take the time to go over the events of the robin hood legend that i covered in the fic. firstly, we have the execution: every adaptation has a version of this scene, but funnily enough, it's almost always a different character who has to be rescued from the gallows. i decided to go with it being robin hood who needed to be rescued, as a part of a general pattern where i took legends that involved the various cast of the myths and instead put robin hood in the starring role. the other example of this in my palace au is when robin hood is the one to join the sheriff's men--in the original it's little john who infiltrates his ranks, all literally just to have a laugh. of course, i changed that aspect to parallel akechi infiltrating the thieves closer. i thought turning robin hood into the star of these stories fit extremely well with akechi's self-centered view of the world. he's the only one who can fulfill these roles, because he has no friends to fill out his merry men who usually star in these legends.

prince john & king richard

despite appearances, robin hood is highkey monarchist propaganda, and its support of the status quo increased as the myth spread--after all, the status quo couldn't let this disrespectful thief be too disrespectful to those in power, right? anyway, that's all to say that while robin hood opposes the current sitting ruler of england, that's because he believes that man has no true claim to the throne. in short, king richard is away fighting the crusades, while his selfish brother prince john rules unjustly, oppressing the people. robin hood is loyal only to king richard, and fights for his sake in his absence--he believes that were he to return, king richard would restore justice to england. also, no, robin hood is not the secret prince or anything like that like in my palace au, that's just made up to parallel akechi--though he is often former, now disgraced, nobility.

guy of gisborne

guy's role in the myth differs depending on the adaptation--in some, he's a nobleman aligned with prince john, while in older legends, he's a fellow outlaw who kills indiscriminately. in the older novel i read, robin hood became an outlaw after committing manslaughter, and he then made an oath never to take another life. however, near the end of the myth he confronts the despicable outlaw guy and determines that he is too evil to be allowed to live--the sheriff and prince john have failed to make guy see justice, and so it falls to robin hood to break his oath and kill guy to protect innocents from his terrible crimes. robin hood murders guy and believes it to be just--and i agree, but it is a terrible tragedy that the failures of a society that abandoned robin hood forced him to abandon his moral codes in order to defend that very society. god. i love early ballads robin hood. he's So Good. anyway, in my adaptation guy more or less stands in for all the lives akechi has taken before he killed akira.

maid marian

maid marian, if she is present, is usually a high lady, sometimes a ward of the king. however, in the earliest legends she appears in, she is a fellow outlaw and master at the sword who beats robin hood while in disguise as a young man, before revealing herself to be his lover. yeah, maid marian rocks. it's too bad they nerfed her in the later updates. unlike in my adaptation, she survives the legend, along with little john--they are both the only ones still present for robin hood's untimely death. (robin hood has two hands.)

the sheriff of nottingham

the sheriff is pretty much always portrayed as the incompetent enforcer of prince john, a stupid man who fails to capture robin hood at every turn and is easily fooled. i enjoyed weaponizing this aspect of his character to portray akechi's anger at joker for dying on him. the sheriff is the one to set up the arrow shooting contest as a trap to capture robin hood, though he usually does not participate in the contest himself. the sheriff dies at the end of the legend, during a final battle with robin hood's merry men. after this battle, robin hood grows sick with regret at killing the sheriff and goes to rest at a nunnery, where he is murdered. yeah. here's the thing: robin hood is a tragedy.

the ending

speaking of, let's get into the ending of the robin hood legend. not only does robin hood die, but while king richard is temporarily restored to the throne and prince john punished, king richard is later sent back to the war and dies in battle, leaving england to prince john's corrupt hands. robin hood loses. he dies, killed by a random nun, the cause he fought for having been for naught now that the king he was loyal to, who should have restored england to its former glory, is dead.

fucked up, right? yeah, the modern movies don't touch that part of the legend, and for good reason...i thought it fit akechi pretty damn well, though.

#sera writes #stardust

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kosmicsandshoes · 1 year ago

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KOSMIC WDYM 3P?? you just dropped a whole ass new au and act like nothing happened?! loredump PLEASE the people need to know

Alright alright alright lmao

It kinda started as me really just wanting an excuse to come up with more alternate character designs, but I did brainstorm it all day and really think about it.

3p, like 2p, is of course another alternate universe. Instead of being a dystopia, 3p is more of a paranormal world in the sense that the things seen in movies like The Blair Witch Project and Texas Chainsaw Massacre happen all too frequently and are normalized to an extent.

Basically, life is a horror movie in the 3p universe, and everyone just kinda has to deal with it.

Since I haven't had the chance to draw the others yet, I won't get into them, but I will explain the 3p big 3.

3p Nogla is the most manipulative of everyone in the group, for better or worse. He puts on the front of being the sweetest, most wholesome man to ever walk the earth and uses his silvery tongue to get people to do his bidding, whether that be to commit vehicular manslaughter or simply allowing him to cut in line. His borderline mystical powers also cause him to become obsessive to a creepy extent. If any one person peaks his interest even mildly, he obsessively stalks them and takes in their every move, and because of his cutesy, charming personality (and his own manipulative abilities), no one ever raises any suspicions. This usually comes to a head in 3p Nogla growing bored of the object of his obsessions, and discarding them one way or another.

3p Terroriser is a strange case. Much like his 1p counterpart, by some manner of the world, he gained sentience. Unlike his t-800 counterpart however, he's a t-900, the 3p universe's midway point between the t-800 and t-1000. He's more equipped to handle the burden of sentience than t-800 Terroriser is, but as a side effect, he's also more susceptible to negative human emotions. Such as flagrant narcissism. He's extremely prideful, and never does anything that he's told to, believing he knows what's right and wrong and everyone else is stupid. This also gives him absolute immunity to 3p Nogla's manipulation abilities.

3p Vanoss is definitely the most odd out of this bunch, and maybe even the whole 3p group. Completely different to both his 1p and 2p counterparts. Due to what can only be described as a series of unfortunate events involving illicit scientific experimentation, 3p Vanoss is not all there mentally. He's much like a feral cat cornered in an alleyway. He's manic and distrusting due to his past. He has a tendency to lash out and scratch and bite if he's too freaked out. His beak is typically tied shut as a result, and his bite seems to be lethal, as the only one who's survived being bitten by 3p Vanoss is 3p Terroriser (this is the canonical explanation as to why his endoskeleton arm is exposed, the bite corroded both his jacket and synthetic skin away). He's quick to anger as well, think like the tasmanian devil; any little thing could set him off, hence why 3p Nogla sticks around. While he's not as easily swayed like the rest of the world, he can still be talked down rather easily.

I hope this is a good explanation for now, I will definitely be doing more with this and making more designs since I just really like it.

#fuggid im gonna start a new tag #3p! vanoss #3p! terroriser #3p! nogla #askbox #vanoss crew #banana bus squad #vanossgaming #terroriser #daithi de nogla #3p! au

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mysticstarlightduck · 11 months ago

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Villain Crimes Tag!

I had this idea for a tag game a while ago and I think its time I finally put it to practice!!! Plus I think its really cool and you guys will probably enjoy it!

Rules: What crimes would your villains be convicted of if they faced trial in the real world? In short, list what crimes your villains have commited, in modern terms.

TW. Mention of some pretty gnarly crimes - but NOT in detail - because these are Villains after all.

Supernova Initiative

The Director/Dr. Darius Merrik

Multiple counts of First & Second Degree Murder + Manslaughter (The Director, behind the scenes, is a very brutal and vicious man - the antithesis of whom he pretends to be to the population. Darius has ordered the execution of/personally killed multiple people who were accused of stirring up "illegal insurrection and rebel efforts" against the Junction, as well as has killed any and all who discover his secret experiments without his explicit permission. His methods of experimentation are also so brutal and extreme that his subjects/victims often, really often, die as a result of it, whether that was the intent or not. Darius doesn't care at all, being at most disappointed at needing to find another test subject and starting from scratch.)

Human Experimentation/Torture/Illegal Laboratories (As mentioned before; Darius is a mad scientist who conducts highly illegal experiments on people, especially those who stand against him. He believes what he is doing will supposedly "bring even more progress" too the galaxies and change the tides of the civil war, and doesn't care how many innocent people he brutalizes in the process. Countless people have already gone through his secret labs - without the population of the Junction even knowing there was a secret lab - and most of his test subjects have died as a result of the experiments, and those who did not were changed in horrifying ways)

Blackmail/Extortion (Darius often counts in severe forms of blackmail and extortion to keep his rivals in line and to make people obey him. Part of how he became so powerful and influential in the Junction was by blackmailing and extorting powerful people and eliminating any possible chance of people looking into his schemes. Another example of this is that the Director only manages to get Jack Tithus to comply to becoming his test subject by threatening to hurt the young man's sister. To protect her, Jack accepted to be experimented on.)

Funding terrorist groups & War Factions/Accesory to Colonization (The Director holds a strong position of power in the Junction, often tampering directly with the civil war by funding extremist organizations and raiding war factions in order to "facilitate" the Junction's advance into enemy territory. Because of him, factions like the Skull-Reapers - space pirates/raiders - were able to raze whole planets - like Acaeth - and allow the installment of Junction settlements there. He also vehemently supports the Junction's official military advances onto other independent planets, and often provides the government's Sentries with new weaponry and armor.)

Ecological Destruction (The Director also funds many mining and deforestation efforts in non-Junction planets, often to get the raw materials he needs for his inventions and experiments, but also to profit from the trade of those spoils. The sheer rate of these "efforts" have already caused considerable devastation and damage to those planets' ecosystems.)

Embezzlement/Money Laundering (Darius is one of the richest men in the Junction, being also one of the most influential. But where does he get that money? From his experiments, inventions and trades? Yes, but that is only a small fraction of it. Most of his vast fortune comes from money laundering and corruption schemes, especially targeting politicians who somehow pose a threat to his plans, a self-fueling cycle that maintains his sheer fortune no matter how much money he spends)

Eldora Thalax

Multiple counts of First Degree Murder, Multiple War Crimes & Genocide (she literally is a warlord hellbent on conquering as much territory as she can both in her planet and others. Eldora is a skilled warrior and assassin, and has killed people before - many of them innocent citizens of places that refused to bow to her tyranny. She also sent hitmen after her husband when he and their son ran away from her, leading to his assassination)

High Treason (Eldora has essentially betrayed her people's high council, known as the Hearth, after her mother and the actually honorable Matriachs denounced her disgustingly ways and exiled her. She also betayed many political deals to have more advantage. Eldora wrongly believes that if she gets as many conquests as she can, that the Matriarchs will forgive her and accept her back, giving her a seat at the Hearth, when she's actually proving them right about her - kinda like Lord Shen did in Kung Fu Panda 2)

Sexual Coercion (her relationship/marriage to Damen was arranged and thus she specifically didn't... really care about his consent or not. Full 'Game of Thrones' arranged marriage to make heirs kind of situation but make it futuristic - he technically said 'yes' to the marriage but did he have a choice? No.)

Kidnapping, Torture & Human Experimentation (She is known to torture prisoners of war, especially those who once held positions of power - at times just for fun, at other times for information, for compliance or to extract information. When Deimos Soll discovered how corrupt she is and tried to desert her ranks, she captured him and had him tortured AND experimented on in an attempt to brainwash him into some kind of supersoldier)

Domestic Abuse/Psychological Torment (Eldora was very abusive to both her husband, Damen, and their son, Kye. Though most - but not all - of her outbursts of physical abuse were directed at her husband, the former prince of the region she'd conquered, Eldora was extremely emotionally abusive to Kye as well, especially because she had a tendency to threaten to hurt his father further to get their boy to obey her)

Dictatorship (Eldora has conquered multiple regions of her home planet and has long since started "brainching out" her influence to other nearby planets, almost conquering an entire solar system. She is known for being a cruel, corrupt, violent and often ruthless ruler who controls the places she conquers with an iron fist.)

Illegal Arms Trade + Slave Trade (Eldora prides herself in having the most top-of-the-line weaponry in the galaxies, being an ardent client of many infamous arms dealers and intercepts some of those goods to sell to her allies. She also is known for proffiting from enslaving portions of the civilizations she conquers, especially if they try to rebel or are accused of trying to betray her, or simoly are her prisoners of war, and selling them as slaves in the underworld market to the highest bidder, though she keeps many to strenghten her armies.)

Arachnys & Red Adder

Racketeering/Fraud/Loan Sharking (They are mobsters. The most dangerous mobsters in the galaxies. The Crime King and Queen. Protection schemes, false business/racketeering, major fraud are just another tuesday to them, and a huge part of what they do on a daily basis.)

Illegal Drug Trade (Any and all addictive substances in EITHER GALAXIES is sold and manufactured by people working under the behest of Arachnys and Red Adder, especially some high-ranking crime families. They're known for making some of the most dangerous and addictive/destructive drugs in any planetary system, and keep their control over their planets underworlds by using those chemicals to keep the population obedient/dependent on their supply)

Being Leaders of a Criminal Organization/Mob (Self-explanatory. Arcahnys and Red Adder are the heads of the most dangerous and powerful crime family/mob in the Khosmonian galaxies, and now in the Junction as well.)

Illegal Casinos/Houses of Gambling (And man do they profit off of it, because those places are popular in both galaxies!)

Human Trafficking, Slave Trade, Organ Trade (They are known for being involved in the most nefarious side of the interplanetary black market, and that includes, unfortunately, the trade of people - be it in full, by selling/buying slaves to/from warlords like Eldora Thalax, with whom they have a longstanding business relationship with, or in... parts, because they also sell organs and cybernectic parts, which they harvest from humanoids and cyborgs that fall into their hands.)

Illegal Prostitution Schemes/Forced Prostitution/Dehumanization (The MAIN "business" of the Saphir crime family is the "pleasure business". They pride themselves on having the finest brothels and strip-clubs in their planets, with most of the entertainers being either slaves they've captured/bought OR... sentient robots. Not cyborgs, but actual, sentient robots, their newest and most popular invention - sentient robots, unlike cyborgs, are fully artificial despite looking like regular humanoids, and their adaptable appearance makes them very popular in the Saphir's business. Meridian Shardd, the story's most innocent character, was one of those sentient robots - having gained conscience/broken free of their programming shortly after being manufactured, Meridian ran away from the factory thankfully before being put to work by the mob, and is terrified of being found.)

Tagging (gently): @kaylinalexanderbooks, @smol-feralgremlin,

@oh-no-another-idea, @littleladymab, @winterandwords, @eccaiia,

@the-letterbox-archives, @illarian-rambling @agirlandherquill, @anoelleart,

@ray-writes-n-shit @writernopal, @anyablackwood, @unstablewifiaccess, @topazadine

@forthesanityofstorytellers, @finickyfelix

@cauliflowermaterial @thepeculiarbird,

@clairelsonao3, @memento-morri-writes, and OPEN TAG

Taglist for Supernova Initiative below the cut! 🌠

Supernova Initiative Taglist (-/+): @ray-writes-n-shit, @sarandipitywrites, @smol-feralgremlin, @kaylinalexanderbooks,

@diabolical-blue @oh-no-another-idea

@cakeinthevoid, @clairelsonao3,

@thepeculiarbird

@the-golden-comet, @urnumber1star, @ominous-feychild, @anyablackwood, @amaiguri,

@lyutenw @finickyfelix

@elshells, @thecomfywriter

#villain crimes list tag #villain crimes tag #villain ocs #tw violence #tw abuse #tw prostitution #writers #writers on tumblr #writerblr #my characters #character writing #my wips #writeblr #writing #my writing #wip supernova initiative

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innytoes · 8 months ago

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"I'm a nice person but I'm about to start throwing rocks at people.” Feels like a very Flynn to say.

Julie never expected Flynn to get into teaching. Honestly, they'd always dreamed of being on stage together, touring as Double Trouble. Except their styles of writing clashed so much it never really worked out, and then Julie got a ghost band turned human band turned international sensation. So yeah, while Flynn did make some cool remixes for the bonus track of their album, she decided her future lied elsewhere.

"It's basically the same thing," she'd joked once when they'd been hanging out in Julie's mom's studio, like the Old Days, even though that couch definitely wasn't as kind on 30-something's backs. "You have an audience. I have an audience. But if mine gets lippy, I can send them to time out."

Luke's head had popped up from his song book, but Julie pointed a warning finger at him. "No."

"Aw."

"Besides, I've realised I can achieve my ultimate childhood dream," Flynn had said.

"Become queen of the moon?" Julie asked.

"My other childhood dream: become Ms Frizzle."

And she had. Flynn had awesome, over the top outfits for just about every subject she taught, and Julie loved every selfie she sent while they were on tour. The guys had even turned it into a guessing game, trying to figure out what today's lesson was about.

Between the amazing fashion and the fact that she knew Actual Rock Star Julie Molina, Flynn was clearly the coolest teacher in school. Especially when she got Julie and The Phantoms to play at the school Christmas Charity Drive. The kids loved it. The band loved it. The teachers loved it.

The problem were the parents. Or, certain types of parents.

Julie had lost Alex to a bunch of earnest middle schoolers, Reggie to the Bake Sale, and Luke to a bunch of children who thought an electric guitar was the coolest thing. She'd been making small-talk with the lovely kindergarten teacher when Flynn flopped against the stage beside her, shoving an entire cupcake into her mouth in one go, handing the other one to Julie.

The kindergarten teacher gave them a smile, obviously used to Flynn's antics, and wandered off.

"You okay?" she said as Flynn thankfully at least chewed instead of just washing the whole thing down with soda like some kind of carbonated drink loving cobra. She patiently waited for Flynn to be finished, wincing at the sound nearby of Luke letting one of the kids try out what playing with an amp was like.

"I'm a nice person," Flynn said. "But I'm about to start throwing rocks at people."

"That bad?"

"One of the PTA moms asked me why I couldn't get Trevor Wilson instead," Flynn said. "And then tried to get me to talk to you about playing her kid's birthday party."

"Wow," Julie said.

"Fuck Debra McManning."

That name sounded vaguely familiar. The way it rolled off Flynn's tongue, she was pretty sure she cursed that woman's name a lot. "Wait, wasn't that the lady who complained you put her son in time out because he bit like three kids?"

"Yes," Flynn said, smiling a smile with gritted teeth. "And I'm not allowed to leave this room until we get the amount we need for the fundraiser, and if she talks to me again I am throwing hands. Or rocks. Or knives."

Julie knew that look. It happened right before Flynn did something they usually both regretted (because of course Julie wouldn't let her do the stupid thing alone.)

"Band huddle!" she called, decisively. Three heads popped up from various places in the gym, and her boys made their way to her.

"What's up, boss?" Luke asked, only pouting a little at being pulled away from his favourite thing: talking to people about music who were just as feral as he was. In this case, eight-year-olds who loved loud noises.

"We need to donate..."

"Five hundred twenty-seven dollars," Flynn said.

"Five hundred twenty-seven dollars," Julie repeated. "So Flynn doesn't commit manslaughter."

"Oh it won't be manslaughter," Flynn said. "It will definitely be premeditated."

"I need to taste at least five more things from the bake sale," Reggie said. "But I can start tipping well."

"Get me one of those giant cookies," Luke said, and Reggie shot him a thumbs up.

"There's an art auction in the corner, some kid drew a raccoon furry on a skateboard," Alex said. "I'm getting it for Willie. Think two hundred dollars will help me win it?"

"I'm going to get my nails painted at the booth over there," Julie said. "I'm sure their artistic vision will be worth more than they're asking."

They all looked at Luke expectantly, and he blinked, before grabbing the dinosaur wallet from the chain on his pants and giving Flynn a hundred dollars.

"Or that," Alex sighed.

"Or that," Flynn agreed. "Thank you."

"Of course," Julie said, giving her a hug. "You can't be Ms Frizzle if you're in jail."

#julie and the phantoms #flynn taylor #fanfic #julie molina #let flynn shape young minds and wear crazy fashion #fukcing debra #are middle schools and elementary schools sometimes in the same building I don't know they are here I'm Dutch leave me alone #I wrote a thing

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iminaworldofpureimagination · 4 months ago

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thanks to being a bojack fan it got me pondering the show was watching before. south park and what characters acutally need accountability/would be treated more seriously if it wasn't a comedy. its funny to me how amy worked on sp and bj.. while ralpheal doesnt like sp.. but anyway. this is loosely inspired also by this youtuber talking about character prison sentences Liane should be accountable for child endangerment/having shady men at her house to have sex/being a crack hoe / what did cartman mean by saying his mom makes him dance for her clients as a milkman? The implications are horrific plus having drugs in her house around her son / overfeeding her son like him being Fat is HER FAULT/ and she had a whole ep about am i a good mom and the answer is NO . No Liane you're a terrrrrible mother. and people give ya a pass cause . cause cartman's Crazy whichheis but you're a terrrible mother.. and I don't feel sorry for her having to deal with cartman ..

. off to prison she goes for child endangerment/drug use/prosutition.. Sheila B: Known as SP fandoms mom who can do no wrong.. but she did do wrong not only has she scared the shit out of her kids in s20 /and its implied by kyle he's afraid of her / was Racist against Canda/ MURDEROR of Terrance and Phillip retcon sure but man she shot two people in front of her kids as someone who is afraid of their mom at times.. i hate how fandom gives her a pass on scaring her kids.

off to prison she goes for starting a canada/us war and MURDER.. Gerald: well he goes to prison for Harrasing woman/little girls online to the point he caused one to commit.. is that involuntary manslaughter??? bullying is never cool..

Linda Stotch: not only does she allow her husband to abuse Butters .. She tried to DROWN him after she found out her husband cheated.. She goes to prison for Attempted Murder and Stephen needs to go for Child Abuse .. Both his parents are completely Crazy.. but man they are fun to watch .. OH and they go to prison for Killing a innocent woman and trying to feed her to their son who they thought was a demon.. did i mention they're crazy? Stuart/Carol: Joined a cult giving their kid immortal life I have zero idea about the legalitys of that.. But they go to prison for Drugs The Tweek parents apparenly put METH in their coffee so they go to jail for that and their son is their only worker /child labor.. Randy Marsh... Hiring Hookers to try to get his son too loosen up on spring break was all kinds of WTF... and in the real world his crack Weed would land him behind bars/ as well as various other crimes . Sharon Marsh.. I can't think of a reason for her to go to prison...... she's the most sane of em all.. Of course its south park so in their world Drugs are Fine.. no one cares..

dont take this super seriously.. im just horsin around..

#south park #liane cartman #sheila broflovski #randy marsh #linda stotch #steven stoch #sharon marsh

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kharmii · 10 months ago

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So I got the idea to actually calculate the global human population myself, city by city, and guess what.

It’s not even 3 billion.

Not even CLOSE.

There are NOT 7 billion people on the planet. You can count yourself. The overpopulation hoax is the foundation of the globalist terror regime.

Whether it's three or seven billion, the global population doesn't matter. Overpopulation is a regional problem. There are starving children with distended bellies running around in Africa and India, and yet I suspect those places aren't handing out free birth control and running article after article about how "Cats are Better Than Babies".

The globalist terror regime is focusing that on first world nations while flooding every good place to live with problem people. Here in the US, every country south of us is clearing out their prisons and mental hospitals then sending them right up to us in large caravans of tens and hundreds of thousands of people. It's white privilege to have a job with a living wage, medical benefits, etc. We need to let everybody in so large corporations don't have to send their companies to China. The whole planet should be one huge sweat shop.

Speaking of white privilege, I have an OT beef. A few days ago, a fourteen-year-old student at Apalachee High School named Colt Gray brought a semi-automatic weapon to school and shot a bunch of people before being detained by police. According to the wiki, the school is in a town that's 58% white where half the students are economically disadvantaged. Colt Gray was one of these students. His mom was a low life drug addict who was arrested for "domestic violence, drug possession, property damage and various traffic violations, including driving under the influence charges. She also faced civil fraud charges over the purchase of a used vehicle and was locked up in Ben Hill County as recently as April."

Colt Gray ended up a Kamala Harris supporting trannie who was probably bullied at school on top of having a dysfunctional family. They tried to wipe his online presence, but it's being passed around.

It looks like he lived with his dad who was also abusive, and now the dad is being arrested for giving the shooter the weapon he used as a Christmas present last year. This is the second time I've heard of this happening. The first time is when the parents of school shooter Ethan Crumbley were charged with manslaughter in April 2024 because they supposedly also supplied the weapon used.

Now I can see why people would think this was appropriate. Terrible parents who raise a kid wrong should be held accountable for setting a monster loose in the community, and yet this only seems to be a white issue. I've yet to see a black parent be held responsible for her child's actions. Black people have an 80% out-of-wedlock birth rate and fatherless household rate. They make up 13% of the population but commit 90% of gun crimes, 90% of adolescent gun crimes and most of the mass shootings. The news only focuses on the rare white person committing a mass shooting and acts like it's an epidemic, even though black people are shooting up every major city every day of the year.

You aren't even supposed to question this. Black people problems are the result of white privilege and 'them evil colonialists who brought crop rotation and modern medicine to the third world' blahblahblah. Black people who aren't qualified to run a hotdog stand at a little league game are supposed to be able to lecture white people endlessly, and yet we aren't allowed to say, *lifts finger* uh um.....maybe if you waited until you were married to pop out babies, then maybe your atrocious crime rate would go down. Srsly, we're dealing with the problems of people in generational poverty who have like a 10% literacy rate, and the media keeps beating it into our heads that all the problems of the world are caused by white people, and it's only white people who need to have fckn dogs-cats-rats-smelly horses instead of babies.

Another meme they're always pushing in the media is that 'right wing extremism is the biggest domestic terror threat' and that all mass shooters are right wing (laughably ridiculous). Then when a radicalized Marxist trannie like Audrey Hale shoots up a white Christian school, it takes literal years for the authorities to release the manifesto. It's supposedly a danger to the public. When we finally get to read it, it's nothing but the ramblings of a mentally ill radicalized Marxist who complains over and over that nobody loves them, and that's why they have to kill a bunch of white Christian kids because the media beat it into their deranged mind that white Christians are the cause of all their problems.

#over population #marxism #leftist culture #globalism #colonialism #mass shooters #colt gray #media bias #twitter #audrey hale #school shooters

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mariacallous · 7 months ago

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Mayor Eric Adams is renewing his push for legislation in Albany that would clarify and expand the criteria for someone to be hospitalized for psychiatric care against their will in response to last week's stabbing spree that left three people dead in Manhattan.

The mayor's renewed call comes even as he acknowledges that state lawmakers have demonstrated little support for the measure.

“We've been back and forth to Albany to say, let's codify [the standard] in law and give real clarity around the authority we have of dealing with people with severe mental health illness,” Adams told reporters following the Nov. 18 attack.

He added: “We're getting ready to go up to a new legislative session in Albany. We have to take those who can't take care of themselves off our street and give them the humane care that they deserve.”

Officials said the attack was unprovoked and carried out by a homeless man who had several previous brushes with the law. Ramon Rivera, 51, the alleged perpetrator, was apprehended by agents with the U.S. State Department's Diplomatic Security Service, near the United Nations at East 42nd Street, hours after the first attack occurred. An attorney for Rivera has requested that his client undergo a psychiatric evaluation before entering a plea.

Adams seized upon the incident as evidence of the need for the stalled mental health reforms. The New York Civil Liberties Union and other critics argue the measure violates an individual's civil rights under state and federal law and further stigmatizes people who are homeless and struggling with mental health issues.

The bill touted by Adams is known as the Supportive Interventions Act. It would codify guidance on involuntary commitments that the state Office of Mental Health provided in a 2022 memo. That memo states that a person can be forcibly transported and admitted to the hospital for psychiatric care if they are unable to meet their own basic needs — not only if they pose an imminent threat of physical harm to themselves or others.

The new law would also ease some of the other requirements for involuntarily admitting someone to the hospital or placing them in court-ordered outpatient treatment.

“It clearly clarifies the standards for holding a person for care in a hospital,” Adams said. “Clarity allows people not to feel reluctant to make the decision.”

When the state memo on involuntary commitment came out in 2022, Adams announced that police officers and outreach workers would start using that interpretation of the law when determining whether to hospitalize someone against their will.

He has been able to move forward with the new protocols despite legal challenges and criticism from mental health and homeless advocates — but he maintains the standard needs to be further clarified and tweaked through state legislation to be fully put into practice.

Trepidation among police and clinicians

Between January and October of this year, an average of 126 people per week were taken to the hospital involuntarily in New York City, according to the mayor’s office. But Adams said there is still some trepidation among police and clinicians about putting the guidance he and Gov. Kathy Hochul have championed into practice.

Adams made a similar case for state lawmakers to pass the Supportive Interventions Act last year, after Jordan Neely, a man who was homeless and had a schizophrenia diagnosis, was killed on the subway. Daniel Penny, a former Marine, is currently standing trial in connection with Neely’s death.

Penny pleaded not guilty to manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide after putting Neely in a chokehold on an uptown F train in May 2023.

The victims of the Nov. 18 attack were Angel Lata Landi and Wilma Augustin, both 36, and Chang Wang, 67.

Despite Adams’ yearslong advocacy campaign for the Supportive Interventions Act, it has failed to gain traction in the state Assembly during the last two legislative sessions, and has yet to be introduced in the Senate.

State Sen. Jessica Scarcella-Spanton, a Democrat representing Staten Island and South Brooklyn, said she plans to introduce it in her chamber in the upcoming session, following discussions with the mayor’s office.

Meanwhile, state Sen. Brad Hoylman-Sigal and newly elected state Assemblymember Micah Lasher, both Manhattan Democrats, have announced an alternative bill, known as the HELP Act.

It includes some of the provisions in the Supportive Interventions Act — such as expanding the types of mental health clinicians who can evaluate whether someone should be held for psychiatric care — but does not seek to change the current standard for involuntary commitment.

“What is considered feasible in Albany is an important North Star when introducing new legislation,” Hoylman-Sigal said.

He added that he wants to protect the state’s existing standard for involuntary commitment because of his “own values and belief system” and because “that definition is, I think, considered sacrosanct by a number of my colleagues.”

The Supportive Interventions Act would also make additional changes to the Mental Hygiene Law. They include requiring clinicians to take into account someone’s medical history and recent behavior when deciding whether to admit them involuntarily and adding shelter staff to the list of people who can take someone to the hospital against their will.

It would also require hospitals to evaluate all psychiatric patients upon discharge to determine if they should be required to undergo court-ordered outpatient treatment. Noncompliance could land patients back in the hospital.

Both the Supportive Interventions Act and the HELP Act would require community organizations to be notified if someone on their caseload is hospitalized for psychiatric care and involved in the discharge planning process.

Asked about the HELP Act, mayoral spokesperson William Fowler said, “We are grateful for this support, but still believe we need to go further to fully repair the treatment laws.”

'Back to the Legislature'

Scarcella-Spanton said she believes she can convince her colleagues to change the law.

“I'm also very open,” she said. “So if there are issues that are brought up with the way that the legislation has been worded, I'm willing to work with my colleagues to get it to a place that they're comfortable with.”

But many critics continue to push back on Adams’ focus on expanding involuntary mental health interventions.

“It's all directed at how you sweep people out of the public domain to make everybody feel fine and feel safe, but it doesn't address the underlying issue,” said Beth Haroules, a staff attorney at the New York Civil Liberties Union. The NYCLU argues that Adams’ involuntary hospital transport policy risks infringing on people’s individual rights under state and federal law and exacerbates bias against homeless people and those with mental illnesses.

Harloules said officials should instead focus on creating a comprehensive system with broader access to mental health services.

The need for involuntary hospitalization for psychiatric care when treating people on the street is rare, and it’s more likely people will need to go to the hospital for medical reasons, said Dr. Tony Carino, director of psychiatry at Janian Medical Care, which provides psychiatric and social services to homeless people.

He added that his staff already works to coordinate with hospital staff on psychiatric evaluations and discharge planning if a client is hospitalized.

“We just need to do more to bring [programs] up to scale and have more permanent supportive housing, more intensive mobile treatment teams and more street psychiatry, which we're working on,” Carino said.

Hochul previously attempted to use the state budget to formally change the language around involuntary commitments, but only succeeded in making more incremental changes to state policies on court-ordered treatment.

Asked about the stabbings last week, Hochul said, “I want people to know that I will go back to the Legislature, I'll go back with every tool in my kit to find ways to address this because this is not acceptable.”

#I agree with everyone here which is the problem #but a lot of new yorkers are going to see these comments as once again not addressing public safety and prioritizing 'offenders'#and not prioritizing 'victims and citizens'

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firelord-frowny · 1 year ago

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Alllllllllllll you need to do to make the case for why it should be difficult to legally acquire and use a gun is look at the comments on any firearm related video on the Active Self Protection youtube channel.

It's run by a guy who teaches self defense training, and is a staunch advocate for the RESPONSIBLE USE of guns in self defense. Every day, he posts and analyzes a video - usually security footage - of a real-life incident where a crime or any other sort of self-defense encounter takes place, and he analyzes it to help viewers understand what to do or not do in a similar situation. And not all of the videos show instances where the victims prevail. Sometimes the victims literally die. But often, the victims do prevail, and the perpetrator dies. Still, there are many times where neither person is injured and the perpetrator escapes, or neither person is (seriously) injured and the perpetrator is either arrested, or is thwarted, but escapes the scene. And, importantly, many of the videos show situations where the victim takes self defense WAY TOO FAR and use deadly force in situations that clearly didn't warrant it. The host spends a lot of time talking about this, emphasizing that in the us at least, a person does not have the right to use deadly force to protect property. Your car, or your phone, or any other item is not important enough for you to kill someone over it. the only circumstance that clearly justifies deadly force is one where you have good reason to believe that your life, or someone else's life was in imminent danger. point blank period.

and it is INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAANE how many people will comment on those videos bitching about how they think they should be allowed to kill people over property. these lunatics are proudly boasting about how ~once you commit an illegal act against me, you forfeit your right to live~

WHAT??????????

I just looked at this one video where a dude is trying to steal the side mirror off of someone else's car. The car's owner runs out with a gun and shoots at the motherfucker like 7 times at point blank range, WHILE the motherfucker is fleeing. So the host talks for a few minutes about why that was a fucking dumb thing to do! He even tried to preempt all the fucking insane barbarians in the comments by saying something to the effect of, "i know people are gonna say, 'but john, i need my car to get to work every day! if a criminal steals my car or renders it inoperable, they're threatening my livelihood because i won't be able to get to work and pay my bills and feed my family!' but you know what? if you can't afford to miss work, then you DEFINITELY can't afford the lawyer you're gonna need when you're charged with manslaughter. You DEFINITELY can't afford all the days you won't be able to go to work because you're dealing with the police. So just don't use deadly force against non-deadly threats."

But do those people get it through their thick ass skulls?? Of course not!! of course they're still frothing at the mouth about how much they want to kill petty thieves!

And the thing that fucking KILLS MEEEEEEEEEEEEE about these people is that they have absolutely no fucking regard for the fact that just because they fire 7 rounds off at a petty thief doesn't mean all 7 of those rounds are going to land in the thief! If you go around recklessly shooting at non-deadly threats, you're putting OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES in extreme danger just because you're so fucking arrogant and barbaric that you feel the need to try to kill petty thieves. Your ego was too enormous to let somebody run off with your side view mirror, so now the 11 year old girl who was leaving her house to walk to school is dead. Now a man who was just minding his own business on his couch at home has been shot in the shoulder when your bullet went through his wall. You fucking idiot!!!

Like, even if we stoop to the level of saying that it's okay to kill someone over a non-deadly threat, what about all the bystanders?? is something that's not a threat to your life worth putting other people's lives in danger???? the answer to that should be a clear and resounding OF COURSE NOT but i mean, barbarians are gonna be barbarians so for all i know, those people might think it's a perfectly moral and sane thing to do.

and it TERRIFIES me to think that people like that are walking around with guns. because one day I'm gonna be walking through the parking lot at the grocery store, and somebody's gonna catch someone else trying to steal their car, and they're gonna whip out their handgun and start firing at that person, and i'm gonna be in the line of fire, and my fucking life might get ended or otherwise changed for the worst when a bullet that was meant for a non-deadly-threat winds up hitting me.

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If you were the director of the Raft and had the choice to pick out members for your own version of Thunderbolts, who would you pick?And why?

Any of my Marvel knowledge is about 12 years out of date now.

First, I'll acknowledge that the question posed is "who makes sense" as opposed to simply "who do I like", so I'll try and ignore my inane need to have Grizzly in every comic.

Songbird always screams as the obvious candidate to lead any team.

Team-wise, since my larder is Raft inmates I'll immediately remove the past members that were "heroes" the last time I really was invested in the universe (Atlas, Abe, Radioactive Man, Jolt) even though they pretty much all were made evil again in the comics. I'll also try and steer clear of too many repeated members - as much as Blizzard, Amazon or Boomerang have potential to be better... they didn't manage it the first time, so I'd be a wishful fool to make a team of people who showed some promise but then as much as gave up. With that said, I am keeping two from The Raft era because they plain work on this format of prison reform team and... well, we'll get to her.

I think Juggernaut always makes sense. Keeping him on the straight and narrow by way of Thunderbolts is only beneficial for everyone. As a member of the team, and previously the X-Men, it was shown quite clearly that offering him the chance to contribute and giving him clear focus effectively removes his inclination to waywardness. His temper and the ease to manipulate him need to be worked on or taken into account.

Next up, might as well keep it rolling with the X-Men's rejects so we have Mimic. Mimic is and has always been directionless but shows capacity to both recognise the right thing to do and even the desire to do so. Away from the X-Men and any feelings of inferiority or being a copy, he can find some inspiration from Songbird and his team-mates to be the hero he thought he could have been instead of hiding behind an attitude and apathy. Mimic's powers alone make him beyond useful in any situation, but they also present an opportunity to adapt and plan in advance. (I'm going with the Exiles set-up of him being a mutant allowed to copy 5 mutant powers at a time and they are only half as powerful as the original - because that made the most sense and didn't make him completely OP)

Ghost. Like Juggernaut, the team takes him out of the running to be a future potential enemy. He has a skillset and expertise that is valued and the team helps Ghost better himself allowing him to interact with others and come to develop human connections and feelings which he has otherwise denied himself. Manipulating Ghost or keeping stuff hidden from him will only make him a nuisance or a threat - instead allow him a mixture of respect (for his abilities and intelligence) and don't give him any reason to feel misled or paranoid.

Sylvie Lushton, the Enchantress from the Young Masters, is still young and could be set on the right path. She's not yet a broken toy, her moral compass is simply undeveloped with her attitude still being that of any spoilt high school girl - shallow, fickle and vapid. Her greatest asset is she already has some finesse with aspects of her magic (teleportation) and potential to tap into even greater spellcasting than she has so far displayed. Essential to accommodate her relationship with inmate Melter, no use in removing one of the few things that present possibility for her to feel or care for someone. (Melter isn't unsalvageable either but I think he would benefit from serving his time - for manslaughter, I think that was his only crime? Although come to think of it I'm not sure Sylvie even committed any crime?).

In what I already suspect is a bad decision, I think Tiger Shark too could be rounded into, at least, an agent. He has attempted to turn over a new leaf before and his erratic motivations and even physical appearance seem to be the result of an imbalance of oxygens similar to that which also affected Namor. With appropriate treatments, Tiger Shark may again be susceptible to the idea of reform. On the Thunderbolts, he offers two great advantages - a second tank to stand beside Juggernaut and then someone uniquely suited to any aquatic elements.

Continuing the trend of poor choices... let's finally get to the obvious - Moonstone is insubordinate, she can't be trusted and she is unlikely to really accept or even ideate the notion of personal redemption again. However, it is much easier to include her as a team-mate than ever have to count her as an enemy. Active involvement in the team mollifies and reduces her threat to others significantly - however, preparations and contingencies should be made for the possibility of flippant betrayal. Her manipulating any of the team to her own ends should also be anticipated, expected and combated as best as it can be.

Lastly, what the team is lacking is someone who doesn't rely on strength or big powers, so we round off the team with Crossfire. He is a highly trained combatant, an excellent marksman, a master of battle strategy and has intuitive technological proficiency. He has no interest in atonement or bettering himself, no desire to be a good person or wash the blood from his hands... but he is a professional. Simply allowing him the chance to use his abilities to work off his sentence or work towards gaining a clean slate for past crimes could provide incentive.

All I can say is, I hope Graviton doesn't murder them all.

#asks #Thunderbolts #Songbird #Juggernaut #Mimic #Ghost #Enchantress (Sylvie Lushton)#Tiger Shark #Moonstone #Crossfire

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if-you-fan-a-fire · 2 years ago

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"Manhunt widens for jail escapee," Vancouver Sun. May 22, 1973. Page 1 & 2. --- By DAVE STOCKAND A manhunt for B.C. Penitentiary escapee John McCann widened today as sources inside the maximum security prison linked him to an attempted mass breakout that was foiled in the planning stage last year.

The sources said McCann, a holdup man and parole violator with a record of violence, was recently returned to the general prison population from segregation although he was the alleged mastermind of the December escape plot.

He was described as the "jailhouse gunsmith."

McCann, 27, escaped Saturday over an exercise yard wall - his getaway margin provided by a lifelike dummy he left behind in his cell to fool guards making their regular count of inmates.

His escape prompted charges by a representative of the B.C. Penitentiary local of the Public Service Alliance of Canada that inexperience of the two guards making the count contributed to the successful break.

Secretary-treasurer Jacques Vegt said that because of staff shortages and staff turnover, the two had not even been through the staff orientation course.

For a time after the break was discovered at 12:20 p.m. Saturday, police and prison authorities believed they had McCann cornered in the New Westminster area but he somehow slipped through their web.

At one point residents sighted him as he ran through Fraserview Cemetery, hands bleeding from cuts suffered in scaling the barbed-wire-topped fence.

Pursuers were cautioned Saturday that he was armed with a rifle. But New Westminster police said today this report was erroneous the rifle-toter was actually a citizen carrying a pellet gun.

McCann's most recent court appearance was April 2 when he was sentenced to 10, 12 and 14-year terms for armed robbery, to be served concurrently with the 21 years he was already serving.

Paroled in June, 1970, with six years still to serve, he committed a series of robberies the following month.

In November, 1970, he was sentenced to 15 years for the robberies, along with the six-year term he had left when paroled.

Al Hadvick, president of the B.C. Penitentiary union local, said union representatives will meet with the administration later today in a regular joint consultation session.

"The union is going to make some recommendations on security in the light of the es-cape and low staff morale," he said.

Hadvick described the dummy left in McCann's cell as "extremely lifelike."

Hair from the prison barber shop was pasted on the papier mache head and shoes were sewn on stuffed trousers. On the head were the earphones inmates use to listen to the radio in their cell.

The pre-Christmas escape plot was foiled with the discovery of two home-made guns and two home-made knives.

Director F. R. Graves said at the time that a five-man conspiracy was suspected but there was not sufficient evidence to proceed with charges against four of the men.

The fifth man faced an institutional charge of possessing contraband.

Sources inside the prison said McCann was one of the five and was allowed to rejoin other inmates only a month and a half ago.

He was not, however, the inmate found in possession of the contraband weapons.

They said he began growing a beard two weeks ago, apparently as a means of aiding his disguise in the break he made Saturday.

McCann first gained notoriety in 1967 when he and a fellow inmate assaulted Oakalla prison guard Thomas Anthony Harris as he was escorting a work party of prisoners in the prison gymnasium.

For the attack, in which Harris was kicked and beaten with an iron bar, McCann and his companion were sentenced to an extra 12 years for breaking prison by violence, for assault and for escaping custody.

McCann's escape was the second from the penitentiary in two days.

On Friday, Donald Oag, 23, serving a nine-year sentence for manslaughter, got away after pulling a knife on a guard who was escorting him to a medical centre in Coquitlam. He was recaptured later the same day.

Last week, the penitentiary union local sent a telegram requesting a meeting with Solicitor-General Warren All-mand to discuss problems of "staff morale and public safety."

It criticized "the government's lack of concern for security and discipline within the alleged maximum security institution."

#british columbia penitentiary #vancouver #new westminster #prison break #wanted fugitive #escaped prisoner #escape from prison #prison guards #desperate convicts #mccann escape #crime and punishment in canada #history of crime and punishment in canada

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