#pro mspec gay

[thee-radio-host-is-a-kookaburra]

”safequeer” is such a fucking self-righteous label. “Here are the identities that are safe and here’s the ones that are not :)” shut up omfg. I do not at all feel safe around y’all.

[your-rutherfurr]

What should we call lesbian and gay attraction?!

So alot of the queer community when talking about lesbian and gay attraction we usually use the 'non-men loving non-men' or 'non-woman loving non-woman' definition which we found out that it's quite exclusionary for multigender people who also are boys and/or girls, not to mention the racist roots😬. So what could we put it as then? I mean it's kinda obvious but it's simply the queer attraction to women/men and feminine/masculine aligned ppl, anything but the hetero attraction. So let me introduce you to the more inclusive terms I came up with...

QAM and QAW!

QAM = Queer Attraction to Men/masc aligned

QAW = Queer attraction to women/fem aligned

How to pronounce these terms?

QAM - kwam or kam

QAW - kaw or even claw 🤷‍♂️

Being a part of the queer community we want to include ALL queer ppl and their wonderful experiences, I know it's nearly impossible to include every single experience out there but I'm willing to try! We don't have to know every single identity under the sun but we can be aware that there are a plethora of experiences out there and more to come.

[fandomsoda]

fucking astounds me whenever people say that mspec gays/lesbians are somehow offensive to gays and lesbians like,,, lesbian here; stfu someone else’s complicated experience of sexuality is not offensive

Believing that sexuality must fit into these boxes and that we’re not allowed to combine concepts for further understanding is TERF shit.

lesbian should not be treated like it’s some sort of holy word that must always be held to an exact definition or else it is sacrilege or some shit, it can and should be used as an umbrella term because once again, being super policey and weird about this stuff is TERF SHIT.

[sirenium]

God I'm so fuckin tired of trying to find new xenogender servers to join and almost all of them are anti mspec lesbian/gay, anti endo, or both. Like Jesus Fuckin Christ, dude.

Anyway, if you're xenic and are an mspec les/gay or endo system (or supportive of mspec les/gays AND endo systems), please feel free to join our server. Yeah I got ya, this is an ad/hj

⚠️new plan for joining, DM me for a link to the server, as I am too bad at keeping up with replacing the link here⚠️

Also we're age regressor friendly.

Exclusionists, please respect that this is a safe space, so keep your opinions to yourself and leave us alone. Thanks. <3

Plain text: Exclusionists, please respect that this is a safe space, so keep your opinions to yourself and leave us alone. Thanks. <3

Oh, and any contradictory label havers/supporters are allowed. This includes, but isn't limited to, lesboys and gaybians. Hope to see you there!

Edit: so we've had a few people join and then leave — not that that's an issue! — so I feel the need to explain how to get verified if that has been or is a problem for anyone. You go to the channel labeled 'rules-verification' and fill out the form by interacting with it. Once the form is accepted by a mod, you'll be verified. Please note that you have to have an account (It can be on any platform, not just tumblr) that we can look at to ensure that you're chill (as in, not an exclusionist): this is a security measure to help keep this space troll free. Thank you.

Another edit: heads up, our mod team gets inactive at times, meaning the verification process can get rather slow. Additionally, if you're likely to just up and leave, maybe don't join the server; I don't mean to vague anybody, but we've had people do that and it causes me slight to moderate stress when people just… leave.

[ithriel-coins]

i love you mspec lesbians i love you mspec gays i love you mspec gaybians i love you bi lesbians i love you bi gays i love you bi gaybians i love you pan lesbians i love you pan gays i love you pan gaybians i love you poly/ply lesbians i love you poly/ply gays i love you poly/ply gaybians i love you omni lesbians i love you omni gays i love you omni gaybians i love you lesbians, gays, and gaybians with other "controversial" identities /all platonic

[para-normalcanine]

No DNI and we will most likely not check your DNI. We block liberally You're allowed to ask who's fronting if there's no signoff.

Collectively you can call us Canine (he/it/mutt). We're a fictive heavy system of 120 and counting. We have autism, ADHD, NPD, BPD, and struggle with chronic pain/fatigue. I am a zoophile and several other paraphilias (at this point it's a hoard). We talk about it from time to time, so if you're uncomfortable with this, hide the #🍐🐾 tag. We are a former radqueer, we now identify as feralqueer. Radqueers are blocked on sight, fuck you.

I'm currently interested in these medias; - Regretevator - Cry of Fear - SCP - The Backrooms - Breaking Bad - Postal Dude Our special interests are; - The Backrooms - Liminal spaces - Dreamcore/weirdcore - Wolfquest - Internet history/mysteries - Lost media - Foraging

Tagging system; 🥩 -> General post 🍖 -> Replies 🩸 -> Reblogs 🔪 -> NSFW (mdni with these posts) 🍐 -> General para 🍐🐾 -> Zoo topics 🍐🌹 -> Biasto topics 🍐🍸 -> MAP topics 🐜👕 -> Anti topics ✅🚢 -> Proship topics 🔊 -> Raising awareness 🩹 -> Disorder topics

[redtail-lol]

Presenting, Enderqueer

[Image ID: 2 6-striped flags. They are the same flag, but the one on the left has an end portal overlay, which makes it darker with lighter rectangular speckles. Colors on the right's, in descending order, are: pink; light purple; dark purple; black; dark teal-blue; slightly dark sea green. The right has darkened versions of these same colors. End ID.]

My own blankqueer label. I've been wanting to make one for a while. Name and flag based on the End dimension from Minecraft.

Core principles of Enderqueer:

The core principles of Enderqueer are as follows

The right to self identification with little restrictions and rules.

Inclusion of non-harmful identities in the communities they say they belong to.

Respecting the identities of people even if you do not understand.

Giving everyone a chance to explain their identity before deeming it harmful; as well as respecting someone's choice to not explain and assuming good faith rather than passing judgement.

Putting experiences over definitions; allowing all labels to have outliers if they're comfortable with the label even when it doesn't fit them perfectly.

Queer liberation and the advancements of our rights.

Destroying heteronormativity, cisnormativity, exorsexism, intersexism, allonormativity, amatonormativity, and mononormativity (all 3 meanings of mono: monosexuality, monogenderism, and monogamy).

Enderqueer beliefs:

On identity, enderqueer believes the following

Most forms of self identification are valid, however anything that is identified with for harmful reasons (such as transphobia, biphobia/multiphobia, homophobia, ableism, racism, etc.) or things that are harmful regardless of reason (such as transabled, transrace for non-adoptees, transnazi, shit like that), are not valid.

It is okay to ask questions about identities you don't understand or think are harmful before fully accepting them without question. However, if a person doesn't want to answer, that is their right, and it doesn't give you the right to argue against or hate their identity. Assume good faith and maybe ask others who have similar identities.

Identity is complicated and every label, regardless of definition, can and will have outliers, and this is not a problem

Experiences and personal comforts are more important than definitions

All mspec identities are valid and are not biphobic

All aspecs are queer unless the aspec person in particular says they aren't.

All Polyamory, ambiamory, and other nonmonogamy is queer unless the polyam/non-monogam person in particular says they are not queer.

Redundant terms are okay

Multigendered and genderfluid people are "really" their genders. The existence of their other genders or the temporary nature of their genders don't make them less real

On paraphilias, enderqueer believes the following

Paraphilias are morally neutral. Paraphiles who's paraphilias are nonconsensual or harmful to themselves or others deserve support and recovery, and paraphiles who's paraphilias are not harmful should be allowed to act on it. Paraphilias that can either be harmful or not harmful should only be practiced in a safe and ethical way.

On flag discourse, enderqueer believes the following

Flags should not be gatekept from certain groups unless they are specific to one identity or one group of identities. people can decide to use your flags based on your beliefs.

Controversial original flags can be used regardless of if you agree with the creators, but replacement flags should not be used by people who don't agree with the sentiments behind the cancellation. Racist transphobes should not use the orange and pink lesbian flag. Mspec lesbians and supporters should not use the new pan or aroace flags. This is because the new flags have a goal: punish the original creator for a belief by replacing their work. Using replacement flags is accomplishing that goal, and if you agree with the original creator, you shouldn't punish them.

Multioriented and abrosexual people are "really" their orientations. The existence of their other orientations or the temporary nature of their orientations don't make them less real

Other things enderqueer believes the following

Queer labels should not concern themselves with non-queer issues, as that is a different part of one's identity. Making queer labels that concern themselves with non-queer issues excludes the people who are either uneducated on the topic or have no business voicing the opinion because they are not a part of the community or even adjacent.

Gender is real. Social constructs are powerful things that can cause real and observable phenomenon in the brain, and gender being real doesn't invalidate any funky gender identity

Gender Abolition is transphobic. Gender is the identity, and taking away gender leaves nothing but biological sex which may still allow binary trans people to exist if they experience dysphoria but will definitely erase all nondysphoric and nonbinary people.

Transmisogyny and transmisandry are real

POC queers are an unremovable and important part of the queer community

What does enderqueer explicitly support?

Enderqueer supports the following identities, actions, or forms of identification:

Unlabeled identities

People who use few labels for themselves

Termcollectors and labelhoarders

All aspecs, including loveless aros, any sex stance for aces, romance stance for aros, friendship stance for apls, etc, and atertiaries

Anti-contact, pro-recovery paraphiles who's paraphilias are harmful to themselves or others

Paraphiles who's paraphilias are not harmful to themselves or others

Paraphiles who's paraphilias can be harmful or can be safe who only act on them in a way that is safe and ethical

Mspec monos

Mspec gays, veldians, lesbians, cenelians, enbians, straights, etc who do not consider themselves monos

Straightbians, straight gays, straight veldians, gaybians/velaurians, and other labels often used by multigender people

Lesboys, turigirls, ceneliboys and ceneligirls, enbiboys and enbigirls, trixiboys and trixigirls, and toriboys and torigirls

Any other form of "contradictory" labels

Aspec and non-aspec SAM

Xenogenders

Xenidens, or xenoids used in reclamation

Allion orientations

Gender nonconformity, including pronoun nonconformity

Neurolabels, when used by people who have those conditions

Reclamation of slurs and derogatory terms, even when used as an identity

Transracial adoptees

Transspecies therians

Transage chronosian or transage age regressors

What does enderqueer explicitly denounce?

Enderqueer denounces the following identities, actions, or forms of identification:

Radqueers

Winterqueers or Winterpunks

Transidentities that are not transgender, transrace adoptees, therian transspecies, or chronosian/agere transage

Pro-contact harmful paraphilias or neu-contact harmful paraphilias. This also applies to unethical or unsafe ways of acting on a paraphilia that can be done in a safe, ethical way

Comp-contact for paraphilias that can never be safe or ethical in practice

Anti-recovery for ANY paraphilias. Nonharmful paraphiles may choose to recover anyway

Anti-contact for paraphilias that are never dangerous or unethical

Radical feminists

Not recognizing attraction to elsegender people as being just as real and valid as attraction to aptobinary people. This includes calling all exclusive lesbians monosexual, saying all sexualities inherently include elsegender people, thinking enbians are choosing to date nonbinary people or cenelians are choosing not to date aptobinary people, rather than recognizing that they are attracted to other elsegender people, potentially exclusively, or calling WLN and MLN labels transphobic or enbyphobic

Bad faith labels such as superstraight, quasihomosexual, animesexual (though animesexual can be reclaimed by fictosexuals), and others made to mock queerness or justify bigotry

What is enderqueer neutral on, or what does enderqueer not believe needs to be part of a blankqueer label?

Enderqueer is stanceless on the following:

Syscourse

Shipcourse

Self diagnosis

Furries

Alterhumanity (OP supports and it's close to queer discourse but ultimately I decided it was far enough removed that it didn't need to be included)

Engaging with problematic media and/or creators

Kink at pride (I know this one is super relevant but I don't have any strong opinions and the ones I do have are very mixed)

Enderqueers may have no opinion on the above issues, or a stance that they do not believe is important to a blankqueer label. Or they may just agree with everything else included under enderqueer and choose to use it.

[nightfallsystem]

mhhh hot take but i dont think you can be pro mogai and anti mspec lesbians/gays at the same time

ima be honest you either accept all of us (good faith identities) or none of us.

[mogai-reblog]

literal fucking genocide happening right now:

transphobic/anti multigender/anti lesboy and turigirl and anti mspec mono: I'm about to say the most transphobic and anti-history shit ever

[genderqueer-frog]

people who are anti mspec lesbians genuinely confuse me bc like. are they against the split attraction model?? bc the split attraction model and mspec lesbians are mutually inclusive. you can't have one without the other

[awkwardlyqueer]

i love mspec gays! i love pan gays, bi gays, poly gays, omni gays, and abro gays!!

i love mspec lesbians! i love pan lesbians, bi lesbians, poly lesbians, omni lesbians, and abro lesbians!

[stressedjester]

Yknow I've yet to see someone come up with a singular reason it's "bad" I simultaneously identify as bisexual and gay without saying "its erasing identities!!!" as if real queer peoples identities are like debating headcanons for fictional characters

[your-rutherfurr]

yello

i was wondering if you could explain mspec labels a little more in detail, especially cause way back when i was very against this stuff and now that i’m in communities with people who use mpsec, i’m trying to learn more so I don’t make any mistakes

Ofcourse! Thank you for that question and I'm glad that you'd rather learn more about this community 🥰

So basically someone who is an mspec lesbian or gay is literally someone who is lesbian or gay but also is attracted to other genders too, I know that might seem ridiculous because why don't they just identify as bisexual?

Well

Gender and sexuality is complex

Someone may be multigender so they might have queer attraction to both women and fem aligned, men and masc aligned and nonbinary ppl

Split attraction or fluid attraction

And did you know that sapphic and lesbian were interchangeable before terfs came into play? Yes, so if you were not a cis man and you were also attracted to women and fem aligned you would be considered lesbian and welcomed in lesbian spaces.

But then the lesbian political movement became a thing. Bi women were called traitors and trans women were just kicked out of lesbian spaces because to terfs they were still men.

There is nothing wrong with mspec lesbians and gays, terfs are the problem. They are the root of the discourses, as always 😒 Sorry that I only talked about lesbian history but I think it would explain why this whole discourse happened 😅

Anyways have a good day/night!🥰

[genderstarbucks]

Alt Demilesboy + Demiturigirl Flags!!

Demilesboy is a term for individuals who identify as 'partially' or 'half' a lesboy. This most often means they identify partially as a boy and/or partially as a lesbian, whilst still identifying as both.

Demiturigirl is a term for individuals who identify as 'partially' or 'half' a turigirl. This most often means they identify partially as a girl and/or partially as gay/veldian/turian, whilst still identifying as both.

I found demilesboy on the LGBTQIA+ Wiki but there was no turigirl version :(( so I made my own, then a lesboy one to match

Demiturigirl was originally coined by @neopronouns !!

Some more demi- labels by @monster-fucker-moss-jonathan !!

[sirenium]

It's okay to use contradictory labels. I know, I'm probably being redundant here. But I want to make sure anyone who hasn't heard it today gets to chance to hear it. You're valid. I don't care if you're a boy in whatever way, and you're also a lesbian, nor do I care if you're a girl in some way and also gay. I don't mind if you're omni, pan, bi, poly, or abro and a lesbian/gay. Are you aroace spec as well as mspec? Nice! Are you a mixture of all of these things? Something I missed? Cool!

Complicated identities are no less valid than identities that fit into boxes. And I will keep saying that, because there are still people in the world who insist on what you can and can't be (I swear I've said something like that word for word before, but sbsbs), whether it be your average homophobic grandpa or some exclusionist on twitter.💀

[acoolqueer]

Hello!

here at acoolqueer there's @the-fox-alive

Now the current text you're reading is Andie, aka the-fox-alive!

My signoff will be the # "mod 🌟"

my pronouns are it/he

im a system and i have bpd

Now...what is Coolqueer?

Coolqueer is an inclusive term to stand against the following (this is basically our second DNI):

Radqueers

Pro-shippers

Pro-contact genuinely harmful paraphilias (not kinky/'weird' sexual roleplay between multiple consenting humanoid adults (that aren't related), and consentful acts. That is just BDSM and follows R.A.C.K.)

(Pro) Endogenic systems

Trans-x IDs (Transrace, Transautism, etc.)

Truscum

Anti-MOGAI

Terfs

Anti- complex identities like mspec lesbians/gays and lesboys/turigirl

People who demonized disorders such as NPD, ASPD, HPD, and BPD.

Body negativity

racism

Zionism

Triva

The tulip is the symbol for coolqueer because "tulips are cool" and because of the diversity of the colors parallels the diversity of the queer and disabled communities

The stripes of the flag have no meaning as of right now, we're unsure if we're gonna make em have meaning or not!

If you're butt hurt you're apart of the problem!

This isn't a discourse account, but we aren't afraid to entertain asks!